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Re Floyd stating "I can't breath", my reading of the source does not support the present lead. I tried to change the wording [1] but I was reverted. I am aware that some sources do say he said "I can't breath" several times before he was on the ground with a knee at his neck, but even still I feel that we should not include this information in the lead without noting after arrest at gunpoint he said, for example, "they're going to kill me, "I'm claustrophobic" and repeatedly saying, "please, please," as he vigorously tried to not be put in the squad car, which could all be related to breathlessness. Later information says that his "claustrophobia" may be related to the his history of being shot by police in the past. As any experienced editor knows, the lead is meant for just a few facts, not aside information that needs a lot of background, which is the case here. Gandydancer ( talk) 00:17, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
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I know this is the wrong place to ask, but I have a problem with the lists of changes made DURING the George Floyd protests ( List of monuments and memorials removed during the George Floyd protests). There may be others. Aren't those technically over? At least until Derek Chauvin is found guilty or not guilty. I'm not looking forward to what happens if he's found not guilty.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:16, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Please discuss that on the talk page for the article you mentioned. Wikipedia is not a discussion forum. Your personal views and speculation about events are not necessary. Minnemeeples ( talk) 23:21, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
The chief of police and the department use of force expert have both testified that officer Derek Chauvin knee was not on his neck rather on his shoulder blades. This fact is corroborated by video evidence and should be included in the wiki article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuquar7 ( talk • contribs) 12:28, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
When Mr Nelson showed different angles of footage of the arrest, Mr Arradondo also noted that right before the paramedics arrived, it appeared that Mr Chauvin had shifted his knee onto Mr Floyd's shoulder blade.So, to clarify, at the most generous Floyd had been dead for at least 2 minutes already before Chauvin moved his knee from his neck. That seems a dramatically different retelling than the IP suggests. Koncorde ( talk) 13:27, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
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Hang on He also found no evidence of neck compression or restraint on the back or neck or any signs of asphyxiation. In other words, without being told what happened, he would have ruled it a drug overdose stating if George Floyd was found in a locked room home alone
so are you saying that the Coroner is admitting that in any future instance this occurs that the police may have entered into the room, placed them on the floor, knelt on them for 9 minutes, before leaving and locking up using the spare key? Controversial, but I'll allow it. (And this is why coroners deal with all the evidence, not just selective evidence).
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To obtain a conviction for passing counterfeit money requires that prosecutors prove an intent to defraud - that is, that the person knew the bill was counterfeit. We cannot know whether or not Floyd had an intent to defraud, because he was killed before he had a fair trial. We cannot convert his act into a crime absent such proof. BDP clearly applies here. NorthBySouthBaranof ( talk) 13:22, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
Simple answer, change context of statement. Look at how it is worded in the intro to George Floyd main article. It places the weight of the claim on the supicion of the clerks. Koncorde ( talk) 14:53, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
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While it is a hot topic, due to the on going trial, the officer is innocent until proven guilty, maybe we could put died on (date) instead of killed on(date). Let’s let justice show it’s potential and let the facts speak for themselves. 2600:1011:B108:26F8:D429:8C4F:3602:3AAE ( talk) 06:03, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
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06:23, 13 April 2021 (UTC)To add to this article: the names of the passengers in the car Floyd was driving, and who the car belonged to. Why the heck are these pieces of very basic information not already included in the current version of this article? 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 16:04, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Basic information: according to trial testimony, Morries Lester Hall told police officer Peter Chang that the car belonged to George Floyd's friend Sylvia. 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 16:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
if i go to barrack Obama's wikipages im pretty sure they will not say "they identify as black/african american". From my understanding of wikipedia rulesregarding this, we are simply supposed to use the term the 'mixed race" person chooses to use. NYTs, for instance, simply calls him black as well: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/27/us/minneapolis-police-officer-kueng.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C44:701B:200:204A:9858:EA3E:5B1D ( talk) 04:29, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
According to who? Wouldn't that determination be up to a court of law? Vincent Silver ( talk) 14:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
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Currently, the article states that Floyd used the fake bill in Cup Foods "around 8:00" (22:00)—but this is clearly incorrect. It would seem that he entered Cup Foods around 19:34 and spent some 10 minutes in there, then paid for the cigarettes with a counterfeit bill and left just before 19:45 (although I'm not 100% clear if the Cup Foods timestamp is correct). Then Floyd nodded out in the Mercedes, and the store employees came out on two separate occasions to try to get him to either pay for the cigarettes or return them (the cited Washington Post video shows one of these occurring at 19:55)—and they eventually called police at 20:01. It seems to me the article would greatly benefit by establishing these events and their times—there is a wealth of information here, but it may not be enough on its own. It strikes me that an actual timeline might be of great help—but in any case, obviously incorrect information must be removed/corrected immediately, and I will do so now. Thanks! Elle Kpyros ( talk) 21:58, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Homicide has a completely separate meaning in an autopsy report than it does legally and in general american parlance. intentionally or otherwise trying to confuse the two terms is highly misleading and not appropriate for an encyclopedia. How were the "facts"/Statements of this FAQ derived? Cleary there is a serious flaw in whatever methodology has employed here. Since it won't be too long for a verdict in this case to arrive I'm not suggesting any changes but i would urge the wiki editors/admins whoever who create these FAQs to use this as something as a learning experience for future similar events. I think all editors would agree that wikipedia should inform and not mislead 2600:6C44:701B:200:204A:9858:EA3E:5B1D ( talk) 02:50, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
They simply are not the same. Evidence, please. WWGB ( talk) 06:30, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
the person causes the death of a human" when discussing criminal statutes against homicide. From this source,
EvergreenFir (talk) 16:40, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Homicide is defined as the action of one person directly causing the death of another. A death that occurs during and is related to the commission of a felony is also considered homicide. A violent death may stem from some kind of deliberate or purposeful action, but intent to cause death need not be present or proven for the classification as homicide.
Homicide and murder are not the same. All murders are homicides, not all homicides are murder. "Murder" is not an acceptable manner of death classification for death certification purposes. "Murder" is a term used under specific conditions in criminal law matters as as a general concept. An example might be that of unintentional firearms-related hunting death. While it may be classified as a homicide, it is up to legal authorities to determine when to prosecute such a case as "murder," "manslaughter," etc.
What is the specific change being proposed?— Bagumba ( talk) 07:08, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
The judge specifically described her comments as "abhorrent" and mentioned that they may cause an eventual overturning of the trial on appeal. I think this should be included in a section somewhere, perhaps even in its own sub section given the gravity of the situation. I also think due to the various ways to parse this and the complicated nature of the legal system, the section should largely stick to direct quotes with minimal parsing/attempts to interpret exactly what is being said or implied. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/19/maxine-waters-minneapolis-remarks-kevin-mccarthy-marjorie-taylor-greene 2600:6C44:701B:200:204A:9858:EA3E:5B1D ( talk) 03:09, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
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Chauvin kneeled on his back, nor his neck, per the video submitted to evidence. Please let this Wikipedia page reflect that. Statements like that should be redacted. 209.16.78.119 ( talk) 23:21, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
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23:23, 20 April 2021 (UTC)The result of the move request was: Moved by Swarm ( non-admin closure) Elli ( talk | contribs) 21:23, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Killing of George Floyd → Murder of George Floyd – A clear-cut case, should be a technical request. PatGallacher ( talk) 21:09, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
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I will correct the incorrect information. 47.55.82.152 ( talk) 04:50, 21 April 2021 (UTC) I will correct the incorrect information.
I just started Draft:2021 Columbus shooting and thought I would leave a message here for editors who want to help out on it. Elijahandskip ( talk) 14:47, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
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I would like to request an edit on behalf of my brother George. I'd like to add a quote that he once told me. Liblover98 ( talk) 19:53, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
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Change “killing of George Floyd” to Death of George Floyd. The trial in this case has not concluded and a guilty verdict has not been rendered. 76.175.205.0 ( talk) 16:35, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
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The story is coming to a conclusion pretty soon. Right now it seems that Floyd killed himself/just died, source: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/expert-cop-justified-pinning-george-floyd-pavement-77059891 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.93.135.56 ( talk) 18:12, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
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CHANGE: " Floyd had complained about being unable to breathe prior to being on the ground,[14]"
TO: "Floyd had complained about being distressed prior to being on the ground,[14]"
REASONING: The current wording does not correctly reflect reference #14 172.58.99.86 ( talk) 22:55, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Floyd displays signs of distress as officers try to force him into the back of the vehicle, telling them he can't breathe and volunteering to lie on the ground instead.Seems to be supported by the source. ‑‑ Volteer1 ( talk) 23:11, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Claiming that Floyd's airway was physically compressed near his neck; I never did. The above comment utterly misconstrues the meaning of breathing pathway, inter alia. Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 01:40, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
I think the movement of the image of this incident should be discussed; glancing at the past discussion in the archive, it didn't seem to be a problem that it was a non-free image, one user even saying "This is a quintessential use of a non-free image that is the subject of the topic that is causing the entire situation.". 331dot ( talk) 00:04, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
... is the subject of sourced discussion in the article, it may be appropriate if placed inline next to the commentary.— Bagumba ( talk) 13:34, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
The last few sentences of the Kueng/Lane section seem to contradict each other -- it says Kueng, Lane, and Chauvin made a similar arrest on May 3, and then the section's final sentence says that on May 25 Kueng and Lane were in their first week as officers. —valereee ( talk) 12:14, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
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Change title, it is entirely biased. I will never financially support Wikipedia because this is clear evidence of bias. 2600:1700:9520:35C0:805F:AB63:F6D7:22FB ( talk) 19:38, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
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If a new trial is granted by the judge that Eric Nelson, the attorney, is filing for, will we change it back to "Death of George Floyd" or "Killing of George Floyd" since that would invalidate the other trial? Dashoopa ( talk) 00:52, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
University of St. Thomas law professor Rachel Moran told CBS Minnesota that it's unlikely Chauvin's legal team will succeed in overturning the verdict. "It's really hard to overturn a conviction, and courts are especially reluctant to interfere with the jury deliberation process," Moran said. [10]We can discuss it if it is granted. – Muboshgu ( talk) 01:41, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
It is important to give the racial and ethnic identities of Alexander Kueng and Thomas Lane considering how much of the discussion revolves around race and currently the article is lacking in this respect. Floyd, Chauvin, and Thao are already respectively identified as black-American, white-American, and Hmong-American. I believe Lane is white while I know Keung's identity and that it is a bit more problematic. His father is described as black (Nigerian) and his mother as white. Despite being mixed-race and raised solely by his white mother, he is described as black, such as in this article by the NYT. Shouldn't this information be added in? -- 2603:9001:510A:C000:3CA5:45A1:ACD4:313 ( talk) 05:08, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
I see the indictment under "Federal investigation", but isn't that big enough for the lede?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 15:56, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
I had unlinked "9 minutes and 29 seconds", a time span, from
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It's less to do with the exact 9:29 and the amount of time, and more to do with the symbolism. The actual 8:46 protest was already linked and mentioned at
Murder of George Floyd#Memorials, protests, and other reactions. I also changed "9" to "nine" per
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@ Gandydancer: Can you please explain your revert with the "not an improvement" explanation?— Bagumba ( talk) 05:52, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
The only exception would be for people who have recently died, in which case the policy can extend based on editorial consensus for an indeterminate period beyond the date of death—six months, one year, two years at the outside. Such extensions would only apply particularly to contentious or questionable material about the subject that has implications for their living relatives and friends, but – when does Floyd no longer become "recently deceased"? For instance we don't need necessarily need citations for "Floyd's murder lead to worldwide protests", we probably do need a citation for "Chauvin... knelt on Floyd's neck" (Chauvin is very much alive), but I'm not sure about things related to Floyd. ‑‑ Volteer1 ( talk) 18:35, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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Murder of George Floyd → Death of George Floyd – Although convictions have occurred, given that Judge Cahill said "Waters may have given you something on appeal that may result in this whole trial being overturned" and Chauvin has expressed his intent to appeal, Wikipedia would be polluting a future jury pool for an upcoming court hearing by affirming the term "murder" based on this conviction by jury who were not sequestered from news of the riots.
It is both premature and unnecessary to avoid NPOV here when litigation is still ongoing, and possibly a BLP violation. If we go back to the first move on June 2nd 2020 "death" was the original title of this article and the proposal to move to "killing" was made May 27th, meaning less than a week of deliberations were allowed before EI_C's expedited discussion closure, as the admin admitted in the summary.
The decision should be reversed and if there is a desire to move back to either 'killing' or 'murder' that should require a fresh proposal with extended deliberations, ideally after the issue of Chauvin's appeal is settled. WakandaQT ( talk) 17:53, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia would be polluting a future jury pool for an upcoming court hearing by affirming the term "murder" based on this conviction by jury who were not sequestered from news of the riots." is complete nonsense. We cannot impose arbitrary standards on how a jury was handled to base out naming decisions. The conviction is legitimate. Chauvin has the legal right to appeals, but unless the conviction is vacated or he is successful, retried, and found not guilty (or hung jury) he is legally "guitly". All major news outlets use the term "murder" now. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:40, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
April 15th there's this article explaining that Chauvin's hands were not in pockets an that this was an optical illusion created by the black gloves:
Given that this was a wide enough misconception to have received a fact check, is it possible worth a mention in the "other reactions" section?
There are articles out there still presenting that falsehood without disclaimer:
I can see there's no mention of the pocket fib here and that's good, but I think it bears mentioning how prevalent this misconception was in the past, and possibly still might be to anyone who hasn't seen the fact check, given the negligence in making corrections. WakandaQT ( talk) 01:35, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
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while the trial of the other three officers is scheduled to begin March 7,2022 24.140.8.165 ( talk) 02:12, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Is there a portal that would go well in the See also section? Tyrone Madera ( talk) 04:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
I was told to reach consensus here of an edit that describes the interaction with the original clerk more, based on a forbes article that references the court proceedings. You can find it in the history. Any objections? If no, in three days i will publish it. Cheers. Rogerdpack ( talk) 22:57, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
Last couple of sentences of the conspiracy theory section are not conspiracy theories. Willbb234 Talk (please {{ ping}} me in replies) 19:10, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
do we have sources?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.223.190.89 ( talk) 12:55, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
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This article could be renamed to "death of George Floyd" SadInAShed ( talk) 04:36, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
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He WAS NOT “murdered by a police officer”, he died from complications of being on drugs found in his system (Fentanyl) and cardiac event while being ARRESTED. Swrecreation ( talk) 05:17, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
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Source 47, The Washington Post is paywalled, and it also blocks me from viewing articles for apparently having adblock when I don't have anything of the sort installed (thanks Firefox). A new source should be found to replace source 47. 2601:807:8101:60B0:3849:D87A:F87B:517A ( talk) 16:14, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
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208.180.58.106 ( talk) 22:48, 15 July 2021 (UTC) I would like to edit this page to spread some positivity for George Floyd.
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I understand referring to "murder" given the conviction of Chauvin. What I don't get is why no question is raised in the article as to the appropriateness of the determination. The coroner's report clearly states "no life-threatening injuries identified". Why is that not considered worth mentioning?
https://interactive.kare11.com/pdfs/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf
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MEDICAL EXAMINER’S OFFICE AUTOPSY REPORT
ME NO.: 20-3700 CASE TITLE: CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST COMPLICATING LAW ENFORCEMENT SUBDUAL, RESTRAINT, AND NECK COMPRESSION DECEASED: George Floyd aka Floyd Perry SEX: M AGE: 46 DATE AND HOUR OF DEATH: 5-25-20; 9:25 p.m. DATE AND HOUR OF AUTOPSY: 5-26-20; 9:25 a.m. PATHOLOGIST: Andrew M. Baker, M.D.
III. No life-threatening injuries identified
A. No facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae
B. No injuries of anterior muscles of neck or laryngeal
structures
C. No scalp soft tissue, skull, or brain injuries
D. No chest wall soft tissue injuries, rib fractures (other
than a single rib fracture from CPR), vertebral column
injuries, or visceral injuries
E. Incision and subcutaneous dissection of posterior and
lateral neck, shoulders, back, flanks, and buttocks
negative for occult trauma
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I placed this topic recently and was hoping for a reply. Instead I returned to find it removed.
The question is simple: Why is there no reference to the HENNEPIN COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER’S OFFICE AUTOPSY REPORT, section III of which is titled "III. No life-threatening injuries identified". I said then and I repeat that I understand titling the article "Murder of..." because there was a guilty verdict in a trial. That does not explain why there is no reference to the ME report, which throws at least some doubt on that outcome.
I propose to add comments, or that someone should add comments, that acknowledge the contents of that report and remark briefly on their relation to the return of a guilty verdict. I suspect that the proper presentation is to make those remarks brief but link to another article where the accusations, trial and verdict are themselves the topic of discussion.
The PDF of that ME report can be found here:
CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST COMPLICATING LAW ENFORCEMENT SUBDUAL, RESTRAINT, AND NECK COMPRESSION — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crwannall ( talk • contribs) 00:19, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
throws at least some doubton the verdict of a criminal jury. Therefore, we shall not. NorthBySouthBaranof ( talk) 00:33, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
Please put or add Derek Chauvin, Thomas Lane and Tou Thao on Perpetrator section of the George Floyd murder infobox.
Please contribute to ongoing discussions at Talk:List of monuments and memorials removed during the George Floyd protests. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:46, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
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I know it's LEGALLY a murder, but perhaps the appearance of the trustworthiness of wikipedia could be helped by changing the title of this article a bit? WP:IAR could be used. - Stryker Genesis ( talk) 06:14, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
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Note this was closed, as to why it was, see the close notice. Slatersteven ( talk) 09:41, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
I have tried twice to ask a question here, and both times it has simply been deleted. To whom can I petition for an override so that at least the dictator who has taken control of this page is required to respond to the question? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crwannall ( talk • contribs) 23:00, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
Okay, a mixed bag here. First, for the record, it is a welcome improvement to find that the topic stayed here long enough to come back and find it here, with comments. Yes, the previous attempts were archived mighty fast. Fine. The comments themselves are puzzling somewhat. I am completely mystified over the accusation that I have engaged in "personal attacks". Could the person who believes that elaborate on it? I asked a question. I don't see how that is an attack of any sort, personal or otherwise. I definitely don't see how mentioning the official Medical Examiner report and pointing out a clear and obvious inconsistency between received wisdom and an unequivocal section of the report is even remotely related to giving "air to racist talking points".
This looks more like there's a group who have decided that there is one and only one possibly acceptable view of the situation, and any and all attempts to discuss it other than within the limits that they have decided are acceptable must and shall be shut down. Even on the Talk page. No "loose talk" on the Talk page! This seems to me to be almost the exact opposite of the intent of Wikipedia, at least as I learned it in the earliest days. If this is what it has come to, it is a sad state.
I suppose that the test would be to find a secondary source that has developed the point regarding section III of the report, and come back here to try to get a reference to that source in here. Could that work?
Still, thanks for replying. That's something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crwannall ( talk • contribs) 03:37, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
The misinformation section might be better suited for the article Reactions to the murder of George Floyd. The section discusses mere speculation by politicians and political commentators who were not witness or experts to the events. Misinformation and the promulgation of conspiracy theories is a reaction to the events and should not be given undue weight in the main article. Minnemeeples ( talk) 04:55, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
It is semantically and factually inaccurate to use the word "murder" when the death certificate does not note "homicide;" George Floyd's official cause of death was by drug overdose alone. As is, there is no note of the cause of death according the the death certificate.
It is semantically and factually accurate to note the officer was subsequently convicted of murder.
It is of interest to note these two disparate facts, and how they are polar opposites and will contribute to future appeals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.245.18.113 ( talk) 18:50, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
This page has an internal inconsistency: “ On April 20, 2021, the jury found Chauvin guilty of all charges, including second-degree intentional murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter.” Should probably be “ On April 20, 2021, the jury found Chauvin guilty of all charges, including second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter.” Based on the linked sources.
Please change it as the factual difference between “intentional” and “unintentional” is very significant. 98.33.34.184 ( talk) 21:29, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
The date for the civil rights trial of the three other officers is January 20. Currently, the article only says the trial will take place in January. I am asking that this be changed to reflect the confirmed date. https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2022/01/07/3-former-mpd-officers-to-stand-trial-on-jan-20-in-george-floyds-death/ 2607:FEA8:7460:31BF:FCAC:B:F040:FE6A ( talk) 18:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
The article lists Floyd’s race (black), Chauvins race (white), and Thao (Hmong). However the races of Kueng (black) and Lane (white) aren’t listed. To be consistent, their races should also be listed. Or Thao could be removed since him, Kueng and Lane were to a certain extent bystanders to Chauvin actions. 107.119.41.140 ( talk) 12:42, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
The article currently states: "testified that Floyd's chances of survival could have "doubled or tripled" if the officers performed CPR on him" While probably true, do we have sources stating that the officers had relative training? It is unclear from the sentence whether the officers declined to help Floyd, or whether they were unqualified to do so. Dimadick ( talk) 14:20, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
First of all, there has been no stated evidence that the murder of George Floyd was racially motivated, and officer Derek Chauvin doesn't have a history of racism. The murder was still wrong, and he deserves to be in jail, but in the category section, it states "History of racism in Minnesota." In the case of Floyd, it would've been serious police incompetence.
Also it's not necessary to include the fact he was "Black", yeah it gets you media support, but in any page about the murder of a white person, it doesn't state anything about racism against white people, nor does it include that they were white, why doesn't it include the fact the victim was white, because it's irrelevant it's okay in Wikipedia wants to kater towards a leftist audience, literally every large platform has bias, but at least they don't hide it.
Getting back to my point, I think more research needs to be done on Derek Chauvin's, George Floyd's, and this page, because they are either getting there sources from the onion news, or they are trying to please the leftist audience, if they are, at least they should be honest about it.
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Please change at sometime to sometime. Thanks! 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 03:31, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Lane pleaded guilty to the aiding manslaughter charge so there wasn’t a trial, so should it be listed as one? I lean towards no but I want to hear other editors’ opinions. TheXuitts ( talk) 23:42, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
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Lane was sentenced on July 21st 2022 to 2 in a half years for civil rights 47.160.131.242 ( talk) 17:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
It's disrespectful to the memory of Floyd to put a picture of him in this humiliating and desperate situation. 2A00:A040:1A0:3BF:E88D:9760:F492:67C3 ( talk) 17:02, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
I don't see how this is a clear case of righting great wrongs at all. Does the image need to be retained here for posterity's sake? I agree, it is the iconic image of his murder, and unfortunately his life, but it is quite humiliating. Will it prevent further racism, or will it inspire future racists? I'm not sure it helps the situation. RIP Mr. Floyd, this may be how WP remembers you. Crescent77 ( talk) 23:41, 28 September 2022 (UTC) |
The lead section says that Derek Chauvin laid on George Floyd's neck for "over nine minutes." However, that phrase links to a Wikipedia article on it being 8 minutes 46 seconds. 8 minutes and 46 seconds is almost a quarter of a minute less than 9 minutes, and is not more. Should this be changed? 216.207.176.186 ( talk) 23:31, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Why does Wikipedia not remain neutral on these issues? Wikipedia is not meant to have biased articles. OJ Simpson was never convicted of murder, yet it is widely assumed he was in fact, the murderer. One should not use court cases as the determinants of the title of a Wikipedia article. Shameful behavior. 126.156.142.36 ( talk) 07:02, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
Just because someone is convicted, does not automatically mean that they were convicted of said crime.No, it...it really does. If they were convicted of a crime, then...they were, y'know, convicted of that crime. You understand how silly the sentence you wrote is, right? Writ Keeper ⚇ ♔ 02:29, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
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WP:BOLD Having image of Chauvin's knee on George Floyd's neck as the lead image breaches
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#Chauvin kneels on Floyd's neck. Replaced lead image with a selfie George Floyd took, which "gives readers visual confirmation that they've arrived at the right page" (per
WP:LEADIMAGE) as readers know the article's about a murder (it's in the article title) but readers are more likely to benefit from an image clearly showing the face of George Floyd, rather than the previous image where his face was less clear, as that provides the confirmation that they have arrived at the right article about a murder
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To explain my BOLD edit in more detail, I believe the current image is unnecessary to confirm to readers they are at the right article, because they don't need confirmation that they arrived at an article about a murder. They know what murder is, and the word murder is in the article title. What they may need to confirmed to them is the identity of the victim, which an simple portrait of George Floyd suffices in doing, so they know they're not confusing George Floyd for another murder victim. I also reiterate that George Floyd's face is not clear in the image of the actual murder. This argument I hope adds onto the one about WP:SHOCK (images like this, which cause distress to a large number of readers, should not be the lead image). I would also like to conteract any arguments about changing the lead image being in breach of
WP:CENSOR. I have not removed the image of Chauvin murdering George Floyd, just moved it to another section, and if WP:SHOCK was somehow was in contravention of WP:CENSOR, WP:SHOCK would never have been written or made a guideline. --
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no later than mid-February 2022
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I think the line "Floyd had been arrested on suspicion of using a counterfeit $20 bill." should be amended to say "Floyd had been arrested after a store clerk complained that Floyd made a purchase using a counterfeit $20 bill."
This makes it more clear what exactly was alleged and by whom and clarifies that a purchase did indeed occur and Floyd was allowed to leave the store with the items he purchased with the bill in question. Markmywordz415 ( talk) 23:06, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
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Please replace the photo of Chauvin kneeling on George Floyd's neck with a trigger warning and a link to the photo for users to click on. Seeing photos of police violence without a warning is often traumatic for African Americans. Thank you. Scurranmoore ( talk) 04:28, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
The image attached within the description of George Floyd's murder is incredibly triggering and contributes to the further traumatization of the black community. People should not see a picture of a human being in his final moments when trying to read about the individual whose precious and valuable life was so unjustly taken on a site so easily accessible as this one. 2603:7000:3F00:3021:38AB:CDF1:D7FA:5EBE ( talk) 01:09, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
The witness, who filmed the incident, is considered to be then-17-years-old
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Change the word murder the word murder would mean the killing was premeditated and on purpose it should instead say killed 2603:6011:7D00:9DC4:FDC6:A6D9:6235:C972 ( talk) 07:53, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
https://news.stanford.edu/2021/09/20/psychological-toll-george-floyds-murder/
Do we need more? Slatersteven ( talk) 13:23, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
This needs closing as a waster of time. Slatersteven ( talk) 13:25, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
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I propose the title be changed to "Killing of George Floyd". The Killing of Jeremy Mardis was also classified as murder, yet is referred to as a killing in the title. Countryboy603 ( talk) 22:22, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Oppose per WP:DEATHS. The Killing of Jeremy Mardis was not classified as a murder, but as a manslaughter, which is why the title "Murder of..." was not used in that case. Combefere ★ Talk 03:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
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Conviction affirmed 4 August 2023. Opinion at http://media.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/23/08/222701P.pdf. Unofficial summary by the Clerk's office at https://www.ca8.uscourts.gov/todays-opinions . Kablammo ( talk) 23:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Video of sentencing hearing on August 7, 2023: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvrV1x639vw Kablammo ( talk) 00:20, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
—and MPR news article on sentencing: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/08/07/last-excop-convicted-in-george-floyds-killing-faces-sentencing (cites to MPR News are durable (will not be deleted) and non-commercial (no advertising). Kablammo ( talk) 00:27, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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On August 7, 2023, Cahill sentenced Thao to 4+3⁄4 years in prison, the top of the state sentencing guidelines. Cahill said he believed Thao was less culpable than Chauvin, but more than Lane and Kueng, and that he had hoped Thao would be more remorseful in statements before the court. Thao was given credit for having severed nearly a year in a county jail facility since his federal conviction. [1]
Please note that his state sentence will be served concurrently with his federal sentence. Source claims "Officers are serving state sentences concurrently with their federal sentences."
On August 7, 2023, Cahill sentenced Thao to 4+3⁄4 years in prison, the top of the state sentencing guidelines. Cahill said he believed Thao was less culpable than Chauvin, but more than Lane and Kueng, and that he had hoped Thao would be more remorseful in statements before the court. Thao was given credit for having severed nearly a year in a county jail facility since his federal conviction, and his state sentence will also be served concurrently with his federal sentence. [1] 137.70.164.141 ( talk) 17:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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Out of respect for George Floyd, the photo of him dying whilst being held down by Chauvin’s knee should be removed and replaced with a personal photo of him. I appreciate it is in public interest to show the gravity of the crime but this is disrespecting him as a human being. 89.125.49.233 ( talk) 19:11, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Coroner said toxicity levels of fentanyl were lethal. This should be added if we want to recount history accurately. Whether he died from asphyxiation or not, we should provide accurate data. If you deny accurate data you are a political bias hack. 98.154.9.194 ( talk) 16:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
— Bagumba ( talk) 00:50, 1 September 2023 (UTC)While information must be verifiable for inclusion in an article, not all verifiable information must be included. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article.
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Please change "Murder" to "Death" since the autopsy report that was released unambiguosly shows that George Floyd was not murdered. PoppyWasSloppy ( talk) 00:12, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
@ Minnemeeples: You removed this link to a 2023 documentary about Floyd's death, stating in your edit summary it was a "political propaganda piece". What specific content in the documentary is "political propaganda"? Thank you. Magnolia677 ( talk) 11:34, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
Any site that misleads the reader by use of factually inaccurate material or unverifiable research, except to a limited extent in articles about the viewpoints that the site is presenting.Writ Keeper ⚇ ♔ 15:32, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
In every other language, the article is named "Death of George Floyd," therefore the English article must be renamed as such. No exceptions. 2600:6C4A:5A00:3982:B946:D70D:931A:AC14 ( talk) 17:06, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
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Don’t let emotions dictate the truth. 2600:1702:46DE:10:41ED:2A60:1A3A:4B99 ( talk) 17:58, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
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Not murder according to the corners report 173.167.162.241 ( talk) 21:23, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
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Facts Trump your feelings. The Autopsy shows ZERO damage to his trachea. He died of a drug overdose. 4X the legal limit in his system. The drugs killed him, not Derek. That’s a fact. 96.8.253.190 ( talk) 15:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
the general consensus among modern historians is that he was wrongfully convicted. We would need a similar general consensus to override the conviction here too, and so far, nobody has presented *any* reliable sources indicating such consensus (unsurprising, since no such consensus exists). It will not work to try to weasel things in by arguing about a preliminary comment by a medical examiner about an autopsy that's still in-progress or whatever--we need an overall consensus by experts in the field that this was a miscarriage of justice to disregard the fact that Chauvin was convicted of murder. Anything less will not fly. Writ Keeper ⚇ ♔ 13:50, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
I propose that requests to rename this article as anything other than a murder(in line with WP:MURDERS) be removed on sight, and that this procedure be written in the FAQ on this page. See Talk:Adam's Bridge where this is in effect for another article receiving numerous rename requests, many as drive bys, by people who don't know or don't care about policy. 331dot ( talk) 23:32, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 16:06, 20 December 2023 (UTC) adding one sentence 16:35, 20 December 2023 (UTC)Q7: Why was my request or comment removed?
A7: Because of the frequency of meritless and disruptive requests, any further requests to describe Floyd's murder using other terms (e.g. "death", "overdose") or to change the name of the article accordingly will be removed without consideration, unless the request complies with all relevant Wikipedia guidelines and essays, including WP:Requested moves, WP:Common name, WP:Article titles, WP:Naming conventions (violence and deaths), and WP:Reliable sources. Anyone removing such requests should include a link to this FAQ in their edit summary.
The screenshot of the video where Derek Chauvin puts his knee around the neck of George Floyd is marked as "copyrighted", when such status is likely unknown. I know that the copyright status is unknown though. Has anyone ever copyrighted the video? Who knows? Even the photo of George Floyd is marked as "copyrighted" SuperFeral ( talk) 17:14, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
Do I have to register with your office to be protected? No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created.
Need to change the title of the article? 98.242.8.141 ( talk) 18:29, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
The text "White" & "Black" in this article should be capitalized, as these words refer to their respective racial group.
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Ethno-racial "color labels" may be given capitalized (Black and White) or lower-case (black and white).If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Writ Keeper ⚇ ♔ 15:19, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
their respective racial groupWhat makes you part of a "racial group"? 20% black, 100% black? What are Sicilians? [14] O3000, Ret. ( talk) 20:10, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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Re Floyd stating "I can't breath", my reading of the source does not support the present lead. I tried to change the wording [1] but I was reverted. I am aware that some sources do say he said "I can't breath" several times before he was on the ground with a knee at his neck, but even still I feel that we should not include this information in the lead without noting after arrest at gunpoint he said, for example, "they're going to kill me, "I'm claustrophobic" and repeatedly saying, "please, please," as he vigorously tried to not be put in the squad car, which could all be related to breathlessness. Later information says that his "claustrophobia" may be related to the his history of being shot by police in the past. As any experienced editor knows, the lead is meant for just a few facts, not aside information that needs a lot of background, which is the case here. Gandydancer ( talk) 00:17, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
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I know this is the wrong place to ask, but I have a problem with the lists of changes made DURING the George Floyd protests ( List of monuments and memorials removed during the George Floyd protests). There may be others. Aren't those technically over? At least until Derek Chauvin is found guilty or not guilty. I'm not looking forward to what happens if he's found not guilty.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:16, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
Please discuss that on the talk page for the article you mentioned. Wikipedia is not a discussion forum. Your personal views and speculation about events are not necessary. Minnemeeples ( talk) 23:21, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
The chief of police and the department use of force expert have both testified that officer Derek Chauvin knee was not on his neck rather on his shoulder blades. This fact is corroborated by video evidence and should be included in the wiki article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuquar7 ( talk • contribs) 12:28, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
When Mr Nelson showed different angles of footage of the arrest, Mr Arradondo also noted that right before the paramedics arrived, it appeared that Mr Chauvin had shifted his knee onto Mr Floyd's shoulder blade.So, to clarify, at the most generous Floyd had been dead for at least 2 minutes already before Chauvin moved his knee from his neck. That seems a dramatically different retelling than the IP suggests. Koncorde ( talk) 13:27, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
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so are you saying that the Coroner is admitting that in any future instance this occurs that the police may have entered into the room, placed them on the floor, knelt on them for 9 minutes, before leaving and locking up using the spare key? Controversial, but I'll allow it. (And this is why coroners deal with all the evidence, not just selective evidence).
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To obtain a conviction for passing counterfeit money requires that prosecutors prove an intent to defraud - that is, that the person knew the bill was counterfeit. We cannot know whether or not Floyd had an intent to defraud, because he was killed before he had a fair trial. We cannot convert his act into a crime absent such proof. BDP clearly applies here. NorthBySouthBaranof ( talk) 13:22, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
Simple answer, change context of statement. Look at how it is worded in the intro to George Floyd main article. It places the weight of the claim on the supicion of the clerks. Koncorde ( talk) 14:53, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
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While it is a hot topic, due to the on going trial, the officer is innocent until proven guilty, maybe we could put died on (date) instead of killed on(date). Let’s let justice show it’s potential and let the facts speak for themselves. 2600:1011:B108:26F8:D429:8C4F:3602:3AAE ( talk) 06:03, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
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06:23, 13 April 2021 (UTC)To add to this article: the names of the passengers in the car Floyd was driving, and who the car belonged to. Why the heck are these pieces of very basic information not already included in the current version of this article? 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 16:04, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Basic information: according to trial testimony, Morries Lester Hall told police officer Peter Chang that the car belonged to George Floyd's friend Sylvia. 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 16:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
if i go to barrack Obama's wikipages im pretty sure they will not say "they identify as black/african american". From my understanding of wikipedia rulesregarding this, we are simply supposed to use the term the 'mixed race" person chooses to use. NYTs, for instance, simply calls him black as well: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/27/us/minneapolis-police-officer-kueng.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C44:701B:200:204A:9858:EA3E:5B1D ( talk) 04:29, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
According to who? Wouldn't that determination be up to a court of law? Vincent Silver ( talk) 14:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
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Currently, the article states that Floyd used the fake bill in Cup Foods "around 8:00" (22:00)—but this is clearly incorrect. It would seem that he entered Cup Foods around 19:34 and spent some 10 minutes in there, then paid for the cigarettes with a counterfeit bill and left just before 19:45 (although I'm not 100% clear if the Cup Foods timestamp is correct). Then Floyd nodded out in the Mercedes, and the store employees came out on two separate occasions to try to get him to either pay for the cigarettes or return them (the cited Washington Post video shows one of these occurring at 19:55)—and they eventually called police at 20:01. It seems to me the article would greatly benefit by establishing these events and their times—there is a wealth of information here, but it may not be enough on its own. It strikes me that an actual timeline might be of great help—but in any case, obviously incorrect information must be removed/corrected immediately, and I will do so now. Thanks! Elle Kpyros ( talk) 21:58, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Homicide has a completely separate meaning in an autopsy report than it does legally and in general american parlance. intentionally or otherwise trying to confuse the two terms is highly misleading and not appropriate for an encyclopedia. How were the "facts"/Statements of this FAQ derived? Cleary there is a serious flaw in whatever methodology has employed here. Since it won't be too long for a verdict in this case to arrive I'm not suggesting any changes but i would urge the wiki editors/admins whoever who create these FAQs to use this as something as a learning experience for future similar events. I think all editors would agree that wikipedia should inform and not mislead 2600:6C44:701B:200:204A:9858:EA3E:5B1D ( talk) 02:50, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
They simply are not the same. Evidence, please. WWGB ( talk) 06:30, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
the person causes the death of a human" when discussing criminal statutes against homicide. From this source,
EvergreenFir (talk) 16:40, 20 April 2021 (UTC)Homicide is defined as the action of one person directly causing the death of another. A death that occurs during and is related to the commission of a felony is also considered homicide. A violent death may stem from some kind of deliberate or purposeful action, but intent to cause death need not be present or proven for the classification as homicide.
Homicide and murder are not the same. All murders are homicides, not all homicides are murder. "Murder" is not an acceptable manner of death classification for death certification purposes. "Murder" is a term used under specific conditions in criminal law matters as as a general concept. An example might be that of unintentional firearms-related hunting death. While it may be classified as a homicide, it is up to legal authorities to determine when to prosecute such a case as "murder," "manslaughter," etc.
What is the specific change being proposed?— Bagumba ( talk) 07:08, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
The judge specifically described her comments as "abhorrent" and mentioned that they may cause an eventual overturning of the trial on appeal. I think this should be included in a section somewhere, perhaps even in its own sub section given the gravity of the situation. I also think due to the various ways to parse this and the complicated nature of the legal system, the section should largely stick to direct quotes with minimal parsing/attempts to interpret exactly what is being said or implied. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/19/maxine-waters-minneapolis-remarks-kevin-mccarthy-marjorie-taylor-greene 2600:6C44:701B:200:204A:9858:EA3E:5B1D ( talk) 03:09, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
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Chauvin kneeled on his back, nor his neck, per the video submitted to evidence. Please let this Wikipedia page reflect that. Statements like that should be redacted. 209.16.78.119 ( talk) 23:21, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
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Killing of George Floyd → Murder of George Floyd – A clear-cut case, should be a technical request. PatGallacher ( talk) 21:09, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
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I will correct the incorrect information. 47.55.82.152 ( talk) 04:50, 21 April 2021 (UTC) I will correct the incorrect information.
I just started Draft:2021 Columbus shooting and thought I would leave a message here for editors who want to help out on it. Elijahandskip ( talk) 14:47, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
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I would like to request an edit on behalf of my brother George. I'd like to add a quote that he once told me. Liblover98 ( talk) 19:53, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
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Change “killing of George Floyd” to Death of George Floyd. The trial in this case has not concluded and a guilty verdict has not been rendered. 76.175.205.0 ( talk) 16:35, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
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The story is coming to a conclusion pretty soon. Right now it seems that Floyd killed himself/just died, source: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/expert-cop-justified-pinning-george-floyd-pavement-77059891 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.93.135.56 ( talk) 18:12, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
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CHANGE: " Floyd had complained about being unable to breathe prior to being on the ground,[14]"
TO: "Floyd had complained about being distressed prior to being on the ground,[14]"
REASONING: The current wording does not correctly reflect reference #14 172.58.99.86 ( talk) 22:55, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Floyd displays signs of distress as officers try to force him into the back of the vehicle, telling them he can't breathe and volunteering to lie on the ground instead.Seems to be supported by the source. ‑‑ Volteer1 ( talk) 23:11, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Claiming that Floyd's airway was physically compressed near his neck; I never did. The above comment utterly misconstrues the meaning of breathing pathway, inter alia. Regards, -- Goldsztajn ( talk) 01:40, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
I think the movement of the image of this incident should be discussed; glancing at the past discussion in the archive, it didn't seem to be a problem that it was a non-free image, one user even saying "This is a quintessential use of a non-free image that is the subject of the topic that is causing the entire situation.". 331dot ( talk) 00:04, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
... is the subject of sourced discussion in the article, it may be appropriate if placed inline next to the commentary.— Bagumba ( talk) 13:34, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
The last few sentences of the Kueng/Lane section seem to contradict each other -- it says Kueng, Lane, and Chauvin made a similar arrest on May 3, and then the section's final sentence says that on May 25 Kueng and Lane were in their first week as officers. —valereee ( talk) 12:14, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
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Change title, it is entirely biased. I will never financially support Wikipedia because this is clear evidence of bias. 2600:1700:9520:35C0:805F:AB63:F6D7:22FB ( talk) 19:38, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
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If a new trial is granted by the judge that Eric Nelson, the attorney, is filing for, will we change it back to "Death of George Floyd" or "Killing of George Floyd" since that would invalidate the other trial? Dashoopa ( talk) 00:52, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
University of St. Thomas law professor Rachel Moran told CBS Minnesota that it's unlikely Chauvin's legal team will succeed in overturning the verdict. "It's really hard to overturn a conviction, and courts are especially reluctant to interfere with the jury deliberation process," Moran said. [10]We can discuss it if it is granted. – Muboshgu ( talk) 01:41, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
It is important to give the racial and ethnic identities of Alexander Kueng and Thomas Lane considering how much of the discussion revolves around race and currently the article is lacking in this respect. Floyd, Chauvin, and Thao are already respectively identified as black-American, white-American, and Hmong-American. I believe Lane is white while I know Keung's identity and that it is a bit more problematic. His father is described as black (Nigerian) and his mother as white. Despite being mixed-race and raised solely by his white mother, he is described as black, such as in this article by the NYT. Shouldn't this information be added in? -- 2603:9001:510A:C000:3CA5:45A1:ACD4:313 ( talk) 05:08, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
I see the indictment under "Federal investigation", but isn't that big enough for the lede?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 15:56, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
I had unlinked "9 minutes and 29 seconds", a time span, from
Eight minutes 46 seconds, a symbol, per
MOS:EGG: make sure that the reader knows what to expect when clicking on a link.
It's less to do with the exact 9:29 and the amount of time, and more to do with the symbolism. The actual 8:46 protest was already linked and mentioned at
Murder of George Floyd#Memorials, protests, and other reactions. I also changed "9" to "nine" per
MOS:NUM09: Integers from zero to nine are spelled out in words.
@ Gandydancer: Can you please explain your revert with the "not an improvement" explanation?— Bagumba ( talk) 05:52, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
The only exception would be for people who have recently died, in which case the policy can extend based on editorial consensus for an indeterminate period beyond the date of death—six months, one year, two years at the outside. Such extensions would only apply particularly to contentious or questionable material about the subject that has implications for their living relatives and friends, but – when does Floyd no longer become "recently deceased"? For instance we don't need necessarily need citations for "Floyd's murder lead to worldwide protests", we probably do need a citation for "Chauvin... knelt on Floyd's neck" (Chauvin is very much alive), but I'm not sure about things related to Floyd. ‑‑ Volteer1 ( talk) 18:35, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
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Murder of George Floyd → Death of George Floyd – Although convictions have occurred, given that Judge Cahill said "Waters may have given you something on appeal that may result in this whole trial being overturned" and Chauvin has expressed his intent to appeal, Wikipedia would be polluting a future jury pool for an upcoming court hearing by affirming the term "murder" based on this conviction by jury who were not sequestered from news of the riots.
It is both premature and unnecessary to avoid NPOV here when litigation is still ongoing, and possibly a BLP violation. If we go back to the first move on June 2nd 2020 "death" was the original title of this article and the proposal to move to "killing" was made May 27th, meaning less than a week of deliberations were allowed before EI_C's expedited discussion closure, as the admin admitted in the summary.
The decision should be reversed and if there is a desire to move back to either 'killing' or 'murder' that should require a fresh proposal with extended deliberations, ideally after the issue of Chauvin's appeal is settled. WakandaQT ( talk) 17:53, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia would be polluting a future jury pool for an upcoming court hearing by affirming the term "murder" based on this conviction by jury who were not sequestered from news of the riots." is complete nonsense. We cannot impose arbitrary standards on how a jury was handled to base out naming decisions. The conviction is legitimate. Chauvin has the legal right to appeals, but unless the conviction is vacated or he is successful, retried, and found not guilty (or hung jury) he is legally "guitly". All major news outlets use the term "murder" now. EvergreenFir (talk) 18:40, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
April 15th there's this article explaining that Chauvin's hands were not in pockets an that this was an optical illusion created by the black gloves:
Given that this was a wide enough misconception to have received a fact check, is it possible worth a mention in the "other reactions" section?
There are articles out there still presenting that falsehood without disclaimer:
I can see there's no mention of the pocket fib here and that's good, but I think it bears mentioning how prevalent this misconception was in the past, and possibly still might be to anyone who hasn't seen the fact check, given the negligence in making corrections. WakandaQT ( talk) 01:35, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
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while the trial of the other three officers is scheduled to begin March 7,2022 24.140.8.165 ( talk) 02:12, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Is there a portal that would go well in the See also section? Tyrone Madera ( talk) 04:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
I was told to reach consensus here of an edit that describes the interaction with the original clerk more, based on a forbes article that references the court proceedings. You can find it in the history. Any objections? If no, in three days i will publish it. Cheers. Rogerdpack ( talk) 22:57, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
Last couple of sentences of the conspiracy theory section are not conspiracy theories. Willbb234 Talk (please {{ ping}} me in replies) 19:10, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
do we have sources?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.223.190.89 ( talk) 12:55, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
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This article could be renamed to "death of George Floyd" SadInAShed ( talk) 04:36, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
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He WAS NOT “murdered by a police officer”, he died from complications of being on drugs found in his system (Fentanyl) and cardiac event while being ARRESTED. Swrecreation ( talk) 05:17, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
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Source 47, The Washington Post is paywalled, and it also blocks me from viewing articles for apparently having adblock when I don't have anything of the sort installed (thanks Firefox). A new source should be found to replace source 47. 2601:807:8101:60B0:3849:D87A:F87B:517A ( talk) 16:14, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
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208.180.58.106 ( talk) 22:48, 15 July 2021 (UTC) I would like to edit this page to spread some positivity for George Floyd.
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I understand referring to "murder" given the conviction of Chauvin. What I don't get is why no question is raised in the article as to the appropriateness of the determination. The coroner's report clearly states "no life-threatening injuries identified". Why is that not considered worth mentioning?
https://interactive.kare11.com/pdfs/Autopsy_2020-3700_Floyd.pdf
HENNEPIN COUNTY
MEDICAL EXAMINER’S OFFICE AUTOPSY REPORT
ME NO.: 20-3700 CASE TITLE: CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST COMPLICATING LAW ENFORCEMENT SUBDUAL, RESTRAINT, AND NECK COMPRESSION DECEASED: George Floyd aka Floyd Perry SEX: M AGE: 46 DATE AND HOUR OF DEATH: 5-25-20; 9:25 p.m. DATE AND HOUR OF AUTOPSY: 5-26-20; 9:25 a.m. PATHOLOGIST: Andrew M. Baker, M.D.
III. No life-threatening injuries identified
A. No facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae
B. No injuries of anterior muscles of neck or laryngeal
structures
C. No scalp soft tissue, skull, or brain injuries
D. No chest wall soft tissue injuries, rib fractures (other
than a single rib fracture from CPR), vertebral column
injuries, or visceral injuries
E. Incision and subcutaneous dissection of posterior and
lateral neck, shoulders, back, flanks, and buttocks
negative for occult trauma
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I placed this topic recently and was hoping for a reply. Instead I returned to find it removed.
The question is simple: Why is there no reference to the HENNEPIN COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER’S OFFICE AUTOPSY REPORT, section III of which is titled "III. No life-threatening injuries identified". I said then and I repeat that I understand titling the article "Murder of..." because there was a guilty verdict in a trial. That does not explain why there is no reference to the ME report, which throws at least some doubt on that outcome.
I propose to add comments, or that someone should add comments, that acknowledge the contents of that report and remark briefly on their relation to the return of a guilty verdict. I suspect that the proper presentation is to make those remarks brief but link to another article where the accusations, trial and verdict are themselves the topic of discussion.
The PDF of that ME report can be found here:
CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST COMPLICATING LAW ENFORCEMENT SUBDUAL, RESTRAINT, AND NECK COMPRESSION — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crwannall ( talk • contribs) 00:19, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
throws at least some doubton the verdict of a criminal jury. Therefore, we shall not. NorthBySouthBaranof ( talk) 00:33, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
Please put or add Derek Chauvin, Thomas Lane and Tou Thao on Perpetrator section of the George Floyd murder infobox.
Please contribute to ongoing discussions at Talk:List of monuments and memorials removed during the George Floyd protests. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:46, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
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I know it's LEGALLY a murder, but perhaps the appearance of the trustworthiness of wikipedia could be helped by changing the title of this article a bit? WP:IAR could be used. - Stryker Genesis ( talk) 06:14, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
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Note this was closed, as to why it was, see the close notice. Slatersteven ( talk) 09:41, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
I have tried twice to ask a question here, and both times it has simply been deleted. To whom can I petition for an override so that at least the dictator who has taken control of this page is required to respond to the question? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crwannall ( talk • contribs) 23:00, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
Okay, a mixed bag here. First, for the record, it is a welcome improvement to find that the topic stayed here long enough to come back and find it here, with comments. Yes, the previous attempts were archived mighty fast. Fine. The comments themselves are puzzling somewhat. I am completely mystified over the accusation that I have engaged in "personal attacks". Could the person who believes that elaborate on it? I asked a question. I don't see how that is an attack of any sort, personal or otherwise. I definitely don't see how mentioning the official Medical Examiner report and pointing out a clear and obvious inconsistency between received wisdom and an unequivocal section of the report is even remotely related to giving "air to racist talking points".
This looks more like there's a group who have decided that there is one and only one possibly acceptable view of the situation, and any and all attempts to discuss it other than within the limits that they have decided are acceptable must and shall be shut down. Even on the Talk page. No "loose talk" on the Talk page! This seems to me to be almost the exact opposite of the intent of Wikipedia, at least as I learned it in the earliest days. If this is what it has come to, it is a sad state.
I suppose that the test would be to find a secondary source that has developed the point regarding section III of the report, and come back here to try to get a reference to that source in here. Could that work?
Still, thanks for replying. That's something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crwannall ( talk • contribs) 03:37, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
The misinformation section might be better suited for the article Reactions to the murder of George Floyd. The section discusses mere speculation by politicians and political commentators who were not witness or experts to the events. Misinformation and the promulgation of conspiracy theories is a reaction to the events and should not be given undue weight in the main article. Minnemeeples ( talk) 04:55, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
It is semantically and factually inaccurate to use the word "murder" when the death certificate does not note "homicide;" George Floyd's official cause of death was by drug overdose alone. As is, there is no note of the cause of death according the the death certificate.
It is semantically and factually accurate to note the officer was subsequently convicted of murder.
It is of interest to note these two disparate facts, and how they are polar opposites and will contribute to future appeals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.245.18.113 ( talk) 18:50, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
This page has an internal inconsistency: “ On April 20, 2021, the jury found Chauvin guilty of all charges, including second-degree intentional murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter.” Should probably be “ On April 20, 2021, the jury found Chauvin guilty of all charges, including second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter.” Based on the linked sources.
Please change it as the factual difference between “intentional” and “unintentional” is very significant. 98.33.34.184 ( talk) 21:29, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
The date for the civil rights trial of the three other officers is January 20. Currently, the article only says the trial will take place in January. I am asking that this be changed to reflect the confirmed date. https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2022/01/07/3-former-mpd-officers-to-stand-trial-on-jan-20-in-george-floyds-death/ 2607:FEA8:7460:31BF:FCAC:B:F040:FE6A ( talk) 18:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
The article lists Floyd’s race (black), Chauvins race (white), and Thao (Hmong). However the races of Kueng (black) and Lane (white) aren’t listed. To be consistent, their races should also be listed. Or Thao could be removed since him, Kueng and Lane were to a certain extent bystanders to Chauvin actions. 107.119.41.140 ( talk) 12:42, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
The article currently states: "testified that Floyd's chances of survival could have "doubled or tripled" if the officers performed CPR on him" While probably true, do we have sources stating that the officers had relative training? It is unclear from the sentence whether the officers declined to help Floyd, or whether they were unqualified to do so. Dimadick ( talk) 14:20, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
First of all, there has been no stated evidence that the murder of George Floyd was racially motivated, and officer Derek Chauvin doesn't have a history of racism. The murder was still wrong, and he deserves to be in jail, but in the category section, it states "History of racism in Minnesota." In the case of Floyd, it would've been serious police incompetence.
Also it's not necessary to include the fact he was "Black", yeah it gets you media support, but in any page about the murder of a white person, it doesn't state anything about racism against white people, nor does it include that they were white, why doesn't it include the fact the victim was white, because it's irrelevant it's okay in Wikipedia wants to kater towards a leftist audience, literally every large platform has bias, but at least they don't hide it.
Getting back to my point, I think more research needs to be done on Derek Chauvin's, George Floyd's, and this page, because they are either getting there sources from the onion news, or they are trying to please the leftist audience, if they are, at least they should be honest about it.
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Please change at sometime to sometime. Thanks! 73.167.238.120 ( talk) 03:31, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Lane pleaded guilty to the aiding manslaughter charge so there wasn’t a trial, so should it be listed as one? I lean towards no but I want to hear other editors’ opinions. TheXuitts ( talk) 23:42, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
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Lane was sentenced on July 21st 2022 to 2 in a half years for civil rights 47.160.131.242 ( talk) 17:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
It's disrespectful to the memory of Floyd to put a picture of him in this humiliating and desperate situation. 2A00:A040:1A0:3BF:E88D:9760:F492:67C3 ( talk) 17:02, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
I don't see how this is a clear case of righting great wrongs at all. Does the image need to be retained here for posterity's sake? I agree, it is the iconic image of his murder, and unfortunately his life, but it is quite humiliating. Will it prevent further racism, or will it inspire future racists? I'm not sure it helps the situation. RIP Mr. Floyd, this may be how WP remembers you. Crescent77 ( talk) 23:41, 28 September 2022 (UTC) |
The lead section says that Derek Chauvin laid on George Floyd's neck for "over nine minutes." However, that phrase links to a Wikipedia article on it being 8 minutes 46 seconds. 8 minutes and 46 seconds is almost a quarter of a minute less than 9 minutes, and is not more. Should this be changed? 216.207.176.186 ( talk) 23:31, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Why does Wikipedia not remain neutral on these issues? Wikipedia is not meant to have biased articles. OJ Simpson was never convicted of murder, yet it is widely assumed he was in fact, the murderer. One should not use court cases as the determinants of the title of a Wikipedia article. Shameful behavior. 126.156.142.36 ( talk) 07:02, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
Just because someone is convicted, does not automatically mean that they were convicted of said crime.No, it...it really does. If they were convicted of a crime, then...they were, y'know, convicted of that crime. You understand how silly the sentence you wrote is, right? Writ Keeper ⚇ ♔ 02:29, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
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WP:BOLD Having image of Chauvin's knee on George Floyd's neck as the lead image breaches
WP:SHOCK, so I've moved it to section
#Chauvin kneels on Floyd's neck. Replaced lead image with a selfie George Floyd took, which "gives readers visual confirmation that they've arrived at the right page" (per
WP:LEADIMAGE) as readers know the article's about a murder (it's in the article title) but readers are more likely to benefit from an image clearly showing the face of George Floyd, rather than the previous image where his face was less clear, as that provides the confirmation that they have arrived at the right article about a murder
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To explain my BOLD edit in more detail, I believe the current image is unnecessary to confirm to readers they are at the right article, because they don't need confirmation that they arrived at an article about a murder. They know what murder is, and the word murder is in the article title. What they may need to confirmed to them is the identity of the victim, which an simple portrait of George Floyd suffices in doing, so they know they're not confusing George Floyd for another murder victim. I also reiterate that George Floyd's face is not clear in the image of the actual murder. This argument I hope adds onto the one about WP:SHOCK (images like this, which cause distress to a large number of readers, should not be the lead image). I would also like to conteract any arguments about changing the lead image being in breach of
WP:CENSOR. I have not removed the image of Chauvin murdering George Floyd, just moved it to another section, and if WP:SHOCK was somehow was in contravention of WP:CENSOR, WP:SHOCK would never have been written or made a guideline. --
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no later than mid-February 2022
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I think the line "Floyd had been arrested on suspicion of using a counterfeit $20 bill." should be amended to say "Floyd had been arrested after a store clerk complained that Floyd made a purchase using a counterfeit $20 bill."
This makes it more clear what exactly was alleged and by whom and clarifies that a purchase did indeed occur and Floyd was allowed to leave the store with the items he purchased with the bill in question. Markmywordz415 ( talk) 23:06, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
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Please replace the photo of Chauvin kneeling on George Floyd's neck with a trigger warning and a link to the photo for users to click on. Seeing photos of police violence without a warning is often traumatic for African Americans. Thank you. Scurranmoore ( talk) 04:28, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
The image attached within the description of George Floyd's murder is incredibly triggering and contributes to the further traumatization of the black community. People should not see a picture of a human being in his final moments when trying to read about the individual whose precious and valuable life was so unjustly taken on a site so easily accessible as this one. 2603:7000:3F00:3021:38AB:CDF1:D7FA:5EBE ( talk) 01:09, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
The witness, who filmed the incident, is considered to be then-17-years-old
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Change the word murder the word murder would mean the killing was premeditated and on purpose it should instead say killed 2603:6011:7D00:9DC4:FDC6:A6D9:6235:C972 ( talk) 07:53, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
https://news.stanford.edu/2021/09/20/psychological-toll-george-floyds-murder/
Do we need more? Slatersteven ( talk) 13:23, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
This needs closing as a waster of time. Slatersteven ( talk) 13:25, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
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I propose the title be changed to "Killing of George Floyd". The Killing of Jeremy Mardis was also classified as murder, yet is referred to as a killing in the title. Countryboy603 ( talk) 22:22, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
Oppose per WP:DEATHS. The Killing of Jeremy Mardis was not classified as a murder, but as a manslaughter, which is why the title "Murder of..." was not used in that case. Combefere ★ Talk 03:09, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
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Conviction affirmed 4 August 2023. Opinion at http://media.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/23/08/222701P.pdf. Unofficial summary by the Clerk's office at https://www.ca8.uscourts.gov/todays-opinions . Kablammo ( talk) 23:36, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Video of sentencing hearing on August 7, 2023: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvrV1x639vw Kablammo ( talk) 00:20, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
—and MPR news article on sentencing: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/08/07/last-excop-convicted-in-george-floyds-killing-faces-sentencing (cites to MPR News are durable (will not be deleted) and non-commercial (no advertising). Kablammo ( talk) 00:27, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
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On August 7, 2023, Cahill sentenced Thao to 4+3⁄4 years in prison, the top of the state sentencing guidelines. Cahill said he believed Thao was less culpable than Chauvin, but more than Lane and Kueng, and that he had hoped Thao would be more remorseful in statements before the court. Thao was given credit for having severed nearly a year in a county jail facility since his federal conviction. [1]
Please note that his state sentence will be served concurrently with his federal sentence. Source claims "Officers are serving state sentences concurrently with their federal sentences."
On August 7, 2023, Cahill sentenced Thao to 4+3⁄4 years in prison, the top of the state sentencing guidelines. Cahill said he believed Thao was less culpable than Chauvin, but more than Lane and Kueng, and that he had hoped Thao would be more remorseful in statements before the court. Thao was given credit for having severed nearly a year in a county jail facility since his federal conviction, and his state sentence will also be served concurrently with his federal sentence. [1] 137.70.164.141 ( talk) 17:21, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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Out of respect for George Floyd, the photo of him dying whilst being held down by Chauvin’s knee should be removed and replaced with a personal photo of him. I appreciate it is in public interest to show the gravity of the crime but this is disrespecting him as a human being. 89.125.49.233 ( talk) 19:11, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Coroner said toxicity levels of fentanyl were lethal. This should be added if we want to recount history accurately. Whether he died from asphyxiation or not, we should provide accurate data. If you deny accurate data you are a political bias hack. 98.154.9.194 ( talk) 16:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
— Bagumba ( talk) 00:50, 1 September 2023 (UTC)While information must be verifiable for inclusion in an article, not all verifiable information must be included. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article.
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Please change "Murder" to "Death" since the autopsy report that was released unambiguosly shows that George Floyd was not murdered. PoppyWasSloppy ( talk) 00:12, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
@ Minnemeeples: You removed this link to a 2023 documentary about Floyd's death, stating in your edit summary it was a "political propaganda piece". What specific content in the documentary is "political propaganda"? Thank you. Magnolia677 ( talk) 11:34, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
Any site that misleads the reader by use of factually inaccurate material or unverifiable research, except to a limited extent in articles about the viewpoints that the site is presenting.Writ Keeper ⚇ ♔ 15:32, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
In every other language, the article is named "Death of George Floyd," therefore the English article must be renamed as such. No exceptions. 2600:6C4A:5A00:3982:B946:D70D:931A:AC14 ( talk) 17:06, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
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Don’t let emotions dictate the truth. 2600:1702:46DE:10:41ED:2A60:1A3A:4B99 ( talk) 17:58, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
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Not murder according to the corners report 173.167.162.241 ( talk) 21:23, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
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Facts Trump your feelings. The Autopsy shows ZERO damage to his trachea. He died of a drug overdose. 4X the legal limit in his system. The drugs killed him, not Derek. That’s a fact. 96.8.253.190 ( talk) 15:29, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
the general consensus among modern historians is that he was wrongfully convicted. We would need a similar general consensus to override the conviction here too, and so far, nobody has presented *any* reliable sources indicating such consensus (unsurprising, since no such consensus exists). It will not work to try to weasel things in by arguing about a preliminary comment by a medical examiner about an autopsy that's still in-progress or whatever--we need an overall consensus by experts in the field that this was a miscarriage of justice to disregard the fact that Chauvin was convicted of murder. Anything less will not fly. Writ Keeper ⚇ ♔ 13:50, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
I propose that requests to rename this article as anything other than a murder(in line with WP:MURDERS) be removed on sight, and that this procedure be written in the FAQ on this page. See Talk:Adam's Bridge where this is in effect for another article receiving numerous rename requests, many as drive bys, by people who don't know or don't care about policy. 331dot ( talk) 23:32, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 16:06, 20 December 2023 (UTC) adding one sentence 16:35, 20 December 2023 (UTC)Q7: Why was my request or comment removed?
A7: Because of the frequency of meritless and disruptive requests, any further requests to describe Floyd's murder using other terms (e.g. "death", "overdose") or to change the name of the article accordingly will be removed without consideration, unless the request complies with all relevant Wikipedia guidelines and essays, including WP:Requested moves, WP:Common name, WP:Article titles, WP:Naming conventions (violence and deaths), and WP:Reliable sources. Anyone removing such requests should include a link to this FAQ in their edit summary.
The screenshot of the video where Derek Chauvin puts his knee around the neck of George Floyd is marked as "copyrighted", when such status is likely unknown. I know that the copyright status is unknown though. Has anyone ever copyrighted the video? Who knows? Even the photo of George Floyd is marked as "copyrighted" SuperFeral ( talk) 17:14, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
Do I have to register with your office to be protected? No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created.
Need to change the title of the article? 98.242.8.141 ( talk) 18:29, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
The text "White" & "Black" in this article should be capitalized, as these words refer to their respective racial group.
MOS:RACECAPS
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Ethno-racial "color labels" may be given capitalized (Black and White) or lower-case (black and white).If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Writ Keeper ⚇ ♔ 15:19, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
their respective racial groupWhat makes you part of a "racial group"? 20% black, 100% black? What are Sicilians? [14] O3000, Ret. ( talk) 20:10, 22 February 2024 (UTC)