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Please do not post false information, they are not the second highest selling music act from Japan.
There are many Japanese musicians that have sold more records than Mr.Children.
I am using one of my favorites as an example, and giving an English reference dated back in 1989 when Hibari Misora died.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE7DA1E3EF936A15755C0A96F948260
She had sold around 70 million albums before the 1990's. I mean no offense to Mr.Children fans, but it is wrong to make such a statement. 220.253.16.5 ( talk) 12:43, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I think some editors should learn to read Japanese before posting references. Michiya Mihasi is Japan's highest selling musician with an estimate of 160 million records sold. He became the first Japanese musician to break the 100 million sales mark in 1983. This is achievement is mentioned in his profile at Oricon.
Michiya Mihasi's artist page at Oricon. [1]
Many of the Oricon references have been misinterperted. 220.253.109.122 ( talk) 09:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
what is mr. children???
Ans. Mr.Children are so famous rock band in Japan. Almost all Japanese know them.
Because they are one of most successful band in Japan. --- 61.26.81.2 23:24 (UTC) August 11, 2005
Shouldn't this be at Mr.Children (no space). All of Mr.Children's official materials omit the space.-- 24.57.133.195 18:42, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I must note something very important for future editors of this page (also try to observe this for any non English speaking band or author... etc): If you see a single, album, dvd, concert, or book title that contains poor grammar, please consider that even though the English spelling or grammar may be incorrect, that it still may actually be the official title. If someone is searching for the single, and cannot find it the official way... then what good is wiki? Please do not tamper with titles unless you have found hard evidence that the title has been written incorrectly from the official spelling. also note, some OFFICIAL japanese titles are titled in all CAPS (or with stars and hearts or other "non-letter/number characters) this is NOT a mistake, please leave them like this. All one must do is observe the picture or written info of the single/album/book on the official page which is linked in the article at the bottom. Please help keep wikipedia encyclopedic and correct! Thank you. -- NatsukiGirl\ talk 04:22, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was don't move as a matter of policy. We don't format titles funny just because. — Nightst a llion (?) Seen this already? 15:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Mr. Children → Mr.Children – {All official source omit the space kojaxs 04:37, 25 April 2006 (UTC)} copied from the entry on the WP:RM page
MR.CHILDREN_OFFICIAL_SITE_VERSION_1.0 MR.CHILDREN Official Site. www.mrchildren.jp/ - 4k - En caché - Páginas similares
This is not an arbitary spelling based on the whim of a publisist. Every Mr.Children album/single I own is without the space, none of their official material contains the space. The only time I see the space is in non-Japanese publications... kojaxs 09:08, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry if this sounds aggressive but I need to get this off my chest: Why are multiple Mr.Children items being deleted without discussing it? Firstly, Mr.Children is spelt WITHOUT the space in between the . and Children. Secondly the link to the disography page was changed when the original link leading to the discography page spelt the bands name correctly. I even have a whole bunch of magazine, CDs, and DVDs by the group to prove the correct spelling. Thirdly most of the biography on the group has been written by ME which I have gotten from various magazines interviews. The only way I can cite a source is by citing a magazine. Mr.Children rarely does online interviews and thus magazines I purchase are the only thing I have to go by. Is there a correct way I should source these magazines so that the credibility is not disputed? Should I put the issue and volume number also in addition to the year and magazine? Fourthly, this is just a general note, but I really wish people would DISCUSS things here FIRST before they randomly change things. Since I'm the one who is mostly doing this by myself it would help A LOT if someone would just say "Hey this needs to be changed" rather then just DELETING an entire area (like the 2007 news) and not giving me or anyone a chance to figure out a way to integrate it properly into the page. Again I am truly sorry if this sounds rude, but I'm always getting asked by people to work on the Mr.Children wiki here and everytime I try to, people start deleting and changing things without even discussing it. ikuni-web 19:32, 12 June 2007
No one is demanding sources for the official typeset, the result of the recent move discussion simply was not to emulate the stylized spacing. What references are needed for is pretty much all the content of the History section and probably rare/out-of-print releases that have been removed from the discography page for the time being. Regarding the practice of linking to lots of fansites and other recurring issues: Wikipedia is a user-edited encyclopedia so a lot of articles won't be up to its own standards at any given time. If you would like to become more familiar with these standards and how to apply them, read through the guidelines and policies I have already provided here and in my edit summaries. If you would like examples, check out a few good/ featured articles. - Cyrus XIII 04:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Other editors have been through here and none have had the problems with this wiki like you have. From what I was able to read from the wiki standards it said "Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article" can be listed. And the links listed were those. None of them were BS links and even though yes, there were non-English links, which the wiki said to try not use in the English wiki, they were still relevent as they had the latest news/releases on the group. So I still don't understand the issue with that still. I do understand the importance of reference because no one wants to read false information, but like I said other editors have been through here. And things like their demo work and indie work are common knowledge and can be found in any Japanese Mr.Children website. I thought you didn't have to source commone knowledge. Oh well. I had originally thought this to be a bad idea for me to do, and I guess I was right. Hopefully someone else will work on the Mr.Children wiki now, because I can tell any future edits I make will be be soley judge by you and probably deleted since it would most likely not be up to correct standards. -- Ikuni-web 10:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Cyrus if you don't know about the Mr.Children history, please don't try to edit verificable information, the indie information of the band can be founded in page like porudamu blog's and page like Mr.Children's Worlds and a LOT OF Japanese Fan Sites, if you don't know about the band, easily, DON'T EDIT THE ARTICLE (not the content, of course if you wish to edit the style, you're welcome), because:
Of course you can asume is a GNU Document and blah, blah, blah... but still is pointless, please don't be rude and a "human-bot". If you make another edition of the article without a good reason and apelating to the rules of Wiki (and saying this is good for the clean and understand of the article for blah, blah, blah). I will request your suspension or ban, because this act is like a vandalism (an "altruism" vandalism, but vandalism at least). And also request the protection to the article, Greetings. - Suzuki 20:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Forget it, for everybody. Underconstruction Template putted, respect it and don't make important changes to the article. -- Suzuki 22:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC) Then why don't you acknowledge "Mr.Children" instead of "Mr. Children" in the first place? What about their figures sales? They are taken from the Oricon figures, which is the Japanese equivalent of the RIAA. What could be more reliable? Please go on a look-out for some information & you'll see how difficult it is to find online information from them (given the fact that you DO manage to find some content).
My bad, I did mix the names. Anyway the band's name has been fixed. But the absence of the sales figures is very awkward.
If you would like to re-introduce previously removed material into the article and have a source for it which satisfies WP:RS, go ahead. Just follow the instructions provided by WP:CITE, in order to have your citations recognized as such and keep in mind that fan sites do not constitute reliable sources. Also, citing sources for some content does enable you to add still uncited content along with it and of course, the Wikipedia Manual of Style and the guidelines of WikiProject Music still apply in terms of formatting, so no all-uppercase album titles and the likes. Avoid redundancy; there is no point in including lists of the band's works here with a separate discography page already in place. - Cyrus XIII 22:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
(deindet) This does not change the fact that you cannot use Theppn to reference information on Wikipedia. If you would like to cite the booklet, do that but in a way that makes it perfectly clear what bits of information are to be backed up by it by that particular source. - Cyrus XIII 00:07, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Reasons?
I don't know if you can read Japanese, if you can, read it and see the info, is very exactly in the timeline and events succed to the band. And of course i will put references from the official page mixing the info of this with the jp.wiki info. Greetings! =) -- Suzuki 18:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
The history of Mr.Children can be found in their duel BEST OF album's titled 'Mr.Children 1992-1995' and 'Mr.Children 1996-2000'. Both albums came with a history booklet in addition to the actual album. The material that was posted here can be found in both history books. The 1992-1995 booklet also contained information about their pre-1992 when they were called THE WALLS and also about their high school days. All information that fan sites based their information off of are these two booklets the group wrote. So most, if not all, credit will need to be given to those two booklets in the albums. -- 24.233.167.16 19:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Something needs to be done about the discography. It can't be listed both in the main Mr.Children article and also in their own discography page, but I'm afraid to touch that given the unfortunate incidents that have happened with it prior to this writing. What I think would be a good idea is, yes I know I shouldn't reference other wiki's, but I like how other artist wiki's will list only the albums in the main article (like a brief overview of the albums chart positions), and then if the readers want more information they can click into the artists discography. That way someone can get a good overview of their works without have to scroll through their discography page. Just an idea, but like I said, I'm afraid to touch it. Maybe someone else out there, who has the readers best interest at heart, can work on that. -- 24.233.167.16 18:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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Please do not post false information, they are not the second highest selling music act from Japan.
There are many Japanese musicians that have sold more records than Mr.Children.
I am using one of my favorites as an example, and giving an English reference dated back in 1989 when Hibari Misora died.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE7DA1E3EF936A15755C0A96F948260
She had sold around 70 million albums before the 1990's. I mean no offense to Mr.Children fans, but it is wrong to make such a statement. 220.253.16.5 ( talk) 12:43, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I think some editors should learn to read Japanese before posting references. Michiya Mihasi is Japan's highest selling musician with an estimate of 160 million records sold. He became the first Japanese musician to break the 100 million sales mark in 1983. This is achievement is mentioned in his profile at Oricon.
Michiya Mihasi's artist page at Oricon. [1]
Many of the Oricon references have been misinterperted. 220.253.109.122 ( talk) 09:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
what is mr. children???
Ans. Mr.Children are so famous rock band in Japan. Almost all Japanese know them.
Because they are one of most successful band in Japan. --- 61.26.81.2 23:24 (UTC) August 11, 2005
Shouldn't this be at Mr.Children (no space). All of Mr.Children's official materials omit the space.-- 24.57.133.195 18:42, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
I must note something very important for future editors of this page (also try to observe this for any non English speaking band or author... etc): If you see a single, album, dvd, concert, or book title that contains poor grammar, please consider that even though the English spelling or grammar may be incorrect, that it still may actually be the official title. If someone is searching for the single, and cannot find it the official way... then what good is wiki? Please do not tamper with titles unless you have found hard evidence that the title has been written incorrectly from the official spelling. also note, some OFFICIAL japanese titles are titled in all CAPS (or with stars and hearts or other "non-letter/number characters) this is NOT a mistake, please leave them like this. All one must do is observe the picture or written info of the single/album/book on the official page which is linked in the article at the bottom. Please help keep wikipedia encyclopedic and correct! Thank you. -- NatsukiGirl\ talk 04:22, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was don't move as a matter of policy. We don't format titles funny just because. — Nightst a llion (?) Seen this already? 15:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Mr. Children → Mr.Children – {All official source omit the space kojaxs 04:37, 25 April 2006 (UTC)} copied from the entry on the WP:RM page
MR.CHILDREN_OFFICIAL_SITE_VERSION_1.0 MR.CHILDREN Official Site. www.mrchildren.jp/ - 4k - En caché - Páginas similares
This is not an arbitary spelling based on the whim of a publisist. Every Mr.Children album/single I own is without the space, none of their official material contains the space. The only time I see the space is in non-Japanese publications... kojaxs 09:08, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry if this sounds aggressive but I need to get this off my chest: Why are multiple Mr.Children items being deleted without discussing it? Firstly, Mr.Children is spelt WITHOUT the space in between the . and Children. Secondly the link to the disography page was changed when the original link leading to the discography page spelt the bands name correctly. I even have a whole bunch of magazine, CDs, and DVDs by the group to prove the correct spelling. Thirdly most of the biography on the group has been written by ME which I have gotten from various magazines interviews. The only way I can cite a source is by citing a magazine. Mr.Children rarely does online interviews and thus magazines I purchase are the only thing I have to go by. Is there a correct way I should source these magazines so that the credibility is not disputed? Should I put the issue and volume number also in addition to the year and magazine? Fourthly, this is just a general note, but I really wish people would DISCUSS things here FIRST before they randomly change things. Since I'm the one who is mostly doing this by myself it would help A LOT if someone would just say "Hey this needs to be changed" rather then just DELETING an entire area (like the 2007 news) and not giving me or anyone a chance to figure out a way to integrate it properly into the page. Again I am truly sorry if this sounds rude, but I'm always getting asked by people to work on the Mr.Children wiki here and everytime I try to, people start deleting and changing things without even discussing it. ikuni-web 19:32, 12 June 2007
No one is demanding sources for the official typeset, the result of the recent move discussion simply was not to emulate the stylized spacing. What references are needed for is pretty much all the content of the History section and probably rare/out-of-print releases that have been removed from the discography page for the time being. Regarding the practice of linking to lots of fansites and other recurring issues: Wikipedia is a user-edited encyclopedia so a lot of articles won't be up to its own standards at any given time. If you would like to become more familiar with these standards and how to apply them, read through the guidelines and policies I have already provided here and in my edit summaries. If you would like examples, check out a few good/ featured articles. - Cyrus XIII 04:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Other editors have been through here and none have had the problems with this wiki like you have. From what I was able to read from the wiki standards it said "Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article" can be listed. And the links listed were those. None of them were BS links and even though yes, there were non-English links, which the wiki said to try not use in the English wiki, they were still relevent as they had the latest news/releases on the group. So I still don't understand the issue with that still. I do understand the importance of reference because no one wants to read false information, but like I said other editors have been through here. And things like their demo work and indie work are common knowledge and can be found in any Japanese Mr.Children website. I thought you didn't have to source commone knowledge. Oh well. I had originally thought this to be a bad idea for me to do, and I guess I was right. Hopefully someone else will work on the Mr.Children wiki now, because I can tell any future edits I make will be be soley judge by you and probably deleted since it would most likely not be up to correct standards. -- Ikuni-web 10:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Cyrus if you don't know about the Mr.Children history, please don't try to edit verificable information, the indie information of the band can be founded in page like porudamu blog's and page like Mr.Children's Worlds and a LOT OF Japanese Fan Sites, if you don't know about the band, easily, DON'T EDIT THE ARTICLE (not the content, of course if you wish to edit the style, you're welcome), because:
Of course you can asume is a GNU Document and blah, blah, blah... but still is pointless, please don't be rude and a "human-bot". If you make another edition of the article without a good reason and apelating to the rules of Wiki (and saying this is good for the clean and understand of the article for blah, blah, blah). I will request your suspension or ban, because this act is like a vandalism (an "altruism" vandalism, but vandalism at least). And also request the protection to the article, Greetings. - Suzuki 20:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Forget it, for everybody. Underconstruction Template putted, respect it and don't make important changes to the article. -- Suzuki 22:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC) Then why don't you acknowledge "Mr.Children" instead of "Mr. Children" in the first place? What about their figures sales? They are taken from the Oricon figures, which is the Japanese equivalent of the RIAA. What could be more reliable? Please go on a look-out for some information & you'll see how difficult it is to find online information from them (given the fact that you DO manage to find some content).
My bad, I did mix the names. Anyway the band's name has been fixed. But the absence of the sales figures is very awkward.
If you would like to re-introduce previously removed material into the article and have a source for it which satisfies WP:RS, go ahead. Just follow the instructions provided by WP:CITE, in order to have your citations recognized as such and keep in mind that fan sites do not constitute reliable sources. Also, citing sources for some content does enable you to add still uncited content along with it and of course, the Wikipedia Manual of Style and the guidelines of WikiProject Music still apply in terms of formatting, so no all-uppercase album titles and the likes. Avoid redundancy; there is no point in including lists of the band's works here with a separate discography page already in place. - Cyrus XIII 22:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
(deindet) This does not change the fact that you cannot use Theppn to reference information on Wikipedia. If you would like to cite the booklet, do that but in a way that makes it perfectly clear what bits of information are to be backed up by it by that particular source. - Cyrus XIII 00:07, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Reasons?
I don't know if you can read Japanese, if you can, read it and see the info, is very exactly in the timeline and events succed to the band. And of course i will put references from the official page mixing the info of this with the jp.wiki info. Greetings! =) -- Suzuki 18:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
The history of Mr.Children can be found in their duel BEST OF album's titled 'Mr.Children 1992-1995' and 'Mr.Children 1996-2000'. Both albums came with a history booklet in addition to the actual album. The material that was posted here can be found in both history books. The 1992-1995 booklet also contained information about their pre-1992 when they were called THE WALLS and also about their high school days. All information that fan sites based their information off of are these two booklets the group wrote. So most, if not all, credit will need to be given to those two booklets in the albums. -- 24.233.167.16 19:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Something needs to be done about the discography. It can't be listed both in the main Mr.Children article and also in their own discography page, but I'm afraid to touch that given the unfortunate incidents that have happened with it prior to this writing. What I think would be a good idea is, yes I know I shouldn't reference other wiki's, but I like how other artist wiki's will list only the albums in the main article (like a brief overview of the albums chart positions), and then if the readers want more information they can click into the artists discography. That way someone can get a good overview of their works without have to scroll through their discography page. Just an idea, but like I said, I'm afraid to touch it. Maybe someone else out there, who has the readers best interest at heart, can work on that. -- 24.233.167.16 18:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
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