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- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: procedural close. The consensus of the discussion is that both the articles are about the same person, with "Hideya Suzuki" a redirect to the band of which the subject is a member of. The consensus of the discussion is leaning towards the merger of BLP into the band's article, which is out of scope for this RM. Regarding the move discussion: the result is no consensus. Another discussion for merger is advised. Regards, —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 09:40, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
Hideya Suzuki (musician) → Hideya Suzuki – Because there doesn't seem to be another famous person with the same name, so the "(musician)" part isn't needed. BrightOrion | talk 00:45, 27 October 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Spekkios ( talk) 01:00, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- Support per nominator. JIP | Talk 02:57, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. The two are about the same person, the latter being a redirect to the band he's in. If the nominator, who wrote the former article, had instead edited the redirect into a full article they wouldn't have needed to start an RM! -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:22, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- It's an attitude thing you have, but what's with the exclamation mark? Don't you ever make mistakes?
BrightOrion |
talk 16:18, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Of course. But it seems weird that you created a page with a disambiguator. That means you'd already seen the page without the disambiguator! Why didn't you just edit that one if you wanted to expand it into an article? -- Necrothesp ( talk) 09:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- Support per nom, delete DAB.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 14:35, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Support per nom AND agree with Necrothesp's comment about this could have been avoided by simply creating the article on the destination page to begin with.TiggerJay (talk) 15:12, 27 October 2021 (UTC)- Comment Hideya Suzuki was merged to Mr. Children in 2009, presumably because he didn't meet WP:BANDMEMBER. I'd say this is still the case today. Is this stub article actually necessary? 162 etc. ( talk) 16:00, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Mr.Children is a huge band in Japan (and other parts of Asia), a bit like the Beatles in the West. So I would say on that basis, it is necessary.
BrightOrion |
talk 16:13, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Right, but the individual notability of Hideya Suzuki is what we're discussing.
162 etc. (
talk) 16:39, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- I see your point, but don't you think being in a huge band gives him individual notability? BrightOrion | talk 16:43, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Right, but the individual notability of Hideya Suzuki is what we're discussing.
162 etc. (
talk) 16:39, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Mr.Children is a huge band in Japan (and other parts of Asia), a bit like the Beatles in the West. So I would say on that basis, it is necessary.
BrightOrion |
talk 16:13, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose and Merge the musician into the main article for Mr. Children - it seems he is exclusively notable as such, and his article is such a stub, if there is no one planning on improving on it, it is best served by merging into the main article, and it could always be split out at a later point -- and then, hopefully, be just directly edited on to the Hideya Suzuki page itself, avoiding the need for a technical move. TiggerJay (talk) 20:41, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- He does have his own page in the Japanese and Spanish versions of Wikipedia though.
BrightOrion |
talk 21:55, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, good point! But as you can see, those other sites have a far more content, which is why I stated "if there is no one planning on improving on it"... If you want to improve it so that it goes beyond a stub, then I would support keeping it -- but as it currently is there is very, very little content, and no real reason to keep it as a standalone article. Someone looking at
Mr. Children who click onto this article would receive very little information of value.
TiggerJay
(talk) 23:40, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- I will definitely expand it. Please bear in mind that it has only just been created as an article, and so it may well be added to over time. BrightOrion | talk 06:52, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, good point! But as you can see, those other sites have a far more content, which is why I stated "if there is no one planning on improving on it"... If you want to improve it so that it goes beyond a stub, then I would support keeping it -- but as it currently is there is very, very little content, and no real reason to keep it as a standalone article. Someone looking at
Mr. Children who click onto this article would receive very little information of value.
TiggerJay
(talk) 23:40, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Merge the page history of this identifier with the redirect makes better sense than moving, per TiggerJay's non-stuck comment. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 21:15, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I have expanded the article somewhat now. Can we get a decision on this move please? BrightOrion | talk 08:11, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
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- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: procedural close. The consensus of the discussion is that both the articles are about the same person, with "Hideya Suzuki" a redirect to the band of which the subject is a member of. The consensus of the discussion is leaning towards the merger of BLP into the band's article, which is out of scope for this RM. Regarding the move discussion: the result is no consensus. Another discussion for merger is advised. Regards, —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 09:40, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
Hideya Suzuki (musician) → Hideya Suzuki – Because there doesn't seem to be another famous person with the same name, so the "(musician)" part isn't needed. BrightOrion | talk 00:45, 27 October 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Spekkios ( talk) 01:00, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- Support per nominator. JIP | Talk 02:57, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. The two are about the same person, the latter being a redirect to the band he's in. If the nominator, who wrote the former article, had instead edited the redirect into a full article they wouldn't have needed to start an RM! -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:22, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- It's an attitude thing you have, but what's with the exclamation mark? Don't you ever make mistakes?
BrightOrion |
talk 16:18, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Of course. But it seems weird that you created a page with a disambiguator. That means you'd already seen the page without the disambiguator! Why didn't you just edit that one if you wanted to expand it into an article? -- Necrothesp ( talk) 09:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- Support per nom, delete DAB.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 14:35, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Support per nom AND agree with Necrothesp's comment about this could have been avoided by simply creating the article on the destination page to begin with.TiggerJay (talk) 15:12, 27 October 2021 (UTC)- Comment Hideya Suzuki was merged to Mr. Children in 2009, presumably because he didn't meet WP:BANDMEMBER. I'd say this is still the case today. Is this stub article actually necessary? 162 etc. ( talk) 16:00, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Mr.Children is a huge band in Japan (and other parts of Asia), a bit like the Beatles in the West. So I would say on that basis, it is necessary.
BrightOrion |
talk 16:13, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Right, but the individual notability of Hideya Suzuki is what we're discussing.
162 etc. (
talk) 16:39, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- I see your point, but don't you think being in a huge band gives him individual notability? BrightOrion | talk 16:43, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Right, but the individual notability of Hideya Suzuki is what we're discussing.
162 etc. (
talk) 16:39, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Mr.Children is a huge band in Japan (and other parts of Asia), a bit like the Beatles in the West. So I would say on that basis, it is necessary.
BrightOrion |
talk 16:13, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose and Merge the musician into the main article for Mr. Children - it seems he is exclusively notable as such, and his article is such a stub, if there is no one planning on improving on it, it is best served by merging into the main article, and it could always be split out at a later point -- and then, hopefully, be just directly edited on to the Hideya Suzuki page itself, avoiding the need for a technical move. TiggerJay (talk) 20:41, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- He does have his own page in the Japanese and Spanish versions of Wikipedia though.
BrightOrion |
talk 21:55, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, good point! But as you can see, those other sites have a far more content, which is why I stated "if there is no one planning on improving on it"... If you want to improve it so that it goes beyond a stub, then I would support keeping it -- but as it currently is there is very, very little content, and no real reason to keep it as a standalone article. Someone looking at
Mr. Children who click onto this article would receive very little information of value.
TiggerJay
(talk) 23:40, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- I will definitely expand it. Please bear in mind that it has only just been created as an article, and so it may well be added to over time. BrightOrion | talk 06:52, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, good point! But as you can see, those other sites have a far more content, which is why I stated "if there is no one planning on improving on it"... If you want to improve it so that it goes beyond a stub, then I would support keeping it -- but as it currently is there is very, very little content, and no real reason to keep it as a standalone article. Someone looking at
Mr. Children who click onto this article would receive very little information of value.
TiggerJay
(talk) 23:40, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
- Merge the page history of this identifier with the redirect makes better sense than moving, per TiggerJay's non-stuck comment. Iggy ( Swan) ( Contribs) 21:15, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I have expanded the article somewhat now. Can we get a decision on this move please? BrightOrion | talk 08:11, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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