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first ever separate-but-combined road-and-oval track
The article states that this was the "first ever separate-but-combined road-and-oval track." Can someone explain why Monza doesn't qualify? Is it because at Monza the layout was such that a race could use both the oval and the road course during the same race (as occurred several times in the 1950s), whereas at Motegi it sounds like it would be logistically impossible to do this?
1995hoo15:17, 18 September 2007 (UTC)reply
BTW: I completed a SVG version of the track layout. I don't know why it doesn't display on the
image description page. I also don't know why it is clipped. Does someone have answers?
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Mobility Resort Motegi → ? – Moved from longstanding title without any apparent discussion. Suggest either moving back to "Twin Ring Motegi" or using a
WP:NDESC like "Motegi Circuit" that would be consistent with other articles like
Silverstone Circuit or
Monza Circuit. This venue's
WP:COMMONNAME in
English is generally just "Motegi" (see
the BBC, Crash.net, The Race, Autosport, the Independent). Where a longer title is used there's no evidence that the "Mobility Resort" name is prevailing in recent usage over the "Twin Ring" name (see
Honda, Motorcycle Sports, Formula Scout, The Drive,
MotoGP, Speedsport), and even if the "Mobility Resort" name is sometimes brought up, it doesn't have a quarter-century of usage to establish
WP:RECOGNISABILITY. While both "Twin Ring" and "Mobility Resort" are idiosyncratic names, "Twin Ring" is at the very least clearly descriptive of the venue's pair of circuits, while "Mobility Resort" is some sort of wasei-eigo that does not suggest a motor circuit in standard English, and would likely be mistaken for an article about a theme park or mountain bike park by someone scanning through search results.
HumanBodyPiloter5 (
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11:58, 5 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Support, moving back to Twin Ring Motegi, for the reasons put forth by @
HumanBodyPiloter5. I had never heard of Motegi being referred to as Mobility Resort Motegi before; to me this sounds like a resort designed especially for those with disabilities. ~~
Support reverting the undiscussed move (i.e. move back to Twin Ring Motegi). This is a case of an page using the official name rather than the common name and I can see no justification for this. (I am not
watching this page, so please
ping me if you want my attention.)
SSSB (
talk)
15:36, 10 June 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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first ever separate-but-combined road-and-oval track
The article states that this was the "first ever separate-but-combined road-and-oval track." Can someone explain why Monza doesn't qualify? Is it because at Monza the layout was such that a race could use both the oval and the road course during the same race (as occurred several times in the 1950s), whereas at Motegi it sounds like it would be logistically impossible to do this?
1995hoo15:17, 18 September 2007 (UTC)reply
BTW: I completed a SVG version of the track layout. I don't know why it doesn't display on the
image description page. I also don't know why it is clipped. Does someone have answers?
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Mobility Resort Motegi → ? – Moved from longstanding title without any apparent discussion. Suggest either moving back to "Twin Ring Motegi" or using a
WP:NDESC like "Motegi Circuit" that would be consistent with other articles like
Silverstone Circuit or
Monza Circuit. This venue's
WP:COMMONNAME in
English is generally just "Motegi" (see
the BBC, Crash.net, The Race, Autosport, the Independent). Where a longer title is used there's no evidence that the "Mobility Resort" name is prevailing in recent usage over the "Twin Ring" name (see
Honda, Motorcycle Sports, Formula Scout, The Drive,
MotoGP, Speedsport), and even if the "Mobility Resort" name is sometimes brought up, it doesn't have a quarter-century of usage to establish
WP:RECOGNISABILITY. While both "Twin Ring" and "Mobility Resort" are idiosyncratic names, "Twin Ring" is at the very least clearly descriptive of the venue's pair of circuits, while "Mobility Resort" is some sort of wasei-eigo that does not suggest a motor circuit in standard English, and would likely be mistaken for an article about a theme park or mountain bike park by someone scanning through search results.
HumanBodyPiloter5 (
talk)
11:58, 5 June 2023 (UTC)reply
Support, moving back to Twin Ring Motegi, for the reasons put forth by @
HumanBodyPiloter5. I had never heard of Motegi being referred to as Mobility Resort Motegi before; to me this sounds like a resort designed especially for those with disabilities. ~~
Support reverting the undiscussed move (i.e. move back to Twin Ring Motegi). This is a case of an page using the official name rather than the common name and I can see no justification for this. (I am not
watching this page, so please
ping me if you want my attention.)
SSSB (
talk)
15:36, 10 June 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.