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Mike Pollock has been much, much more than simply Dr. Eggman. This isn't a Deem Bristow situation where he really doesn't have many roles. Gokaiblue16 ( talk) 19:16, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Mile Pollock is a very talented voice actor with a lot of great roles. He is known for so much more other than just Dr. Eggman. There are plenty of reasons as to why he should continue to have his own page, as there is a surplus of information about him and his performances. I have seen firsthand people genuinely looking up Wikipedia to see his other roles, so I am aware that there is demand for a full page on him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrthegamerdude ( talk • contribs) 20:16, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
This was a pathetic decision. Could it be that the user that recommended deletion is just jealous? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.5.75.216 ( talk) 19:58, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
So should I be hiring a PR firm to get media coverage that contributors can then independently discover and contribute? The mainstream media have yet to come beating down my door of their own volition. Itsamike ( talk) 21:31, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
His body of work should be enough. If there can be an article for every episode of Seinfeld, then there can be an article for Mike Pollock. Gokaiblue ( talk) 22:27, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
@BURob13 I have read both, and for the sources aspect, I think it's a little hypocritcal to keep many other VAs articles as I'm sure there aren't much "secondary sources" talking about their roles (depending on how you define the term). As for the notability, he meets 2/3, like most Voice actors. Gokaiblue ( talk) 22:47, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Just gonna say, you know you're not really doing the website you work for a lot of favours by stating that having a page on here could be undesirable. That quip aside... I gotta say, having an article about a fictional character being more important than the artist who portrayed him for the last decade seems kinda trivializing to me, like implying someone's career is basically equivalent to the most familiar role they're known for. That said, not to throw other VA's under the bus, but having a quick look through the "American male voice actors" list on here, I'm seeing plenty of people who are apparently still notable enough for their own page despite only really being famous for one big role among several "lesser" ones (and in some cases not even that). But hey, that's none of my business. - H Hog ( talk) 23:21, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Rob, you personally may not be saying anything about importance, but this comment was made to an earlier editor during the recent unpleasantness: "Thank you for reverting your edit to Mike Pollock, since it has been consensed that he is currently unimportant enough to have his own wikipedia article." --‖ Ebyabe [Emphasis added.] Would we consider that a poor choice of words? Itsamike ( talk) 00:12, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Fair enough, Rob. Like everything else I do, we'll leave it to the fate of the casting director. In the meantime, I've got auditons to get to. Thanks. Itsamike ( talk) 02:27, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Another option was to throw it back into WP:DRAFT or have it WP:USERFIED. That way a user can develop it with the proper secondary sources. It wouldn't work if Mike himself did that draft because of the WP:COI, but that was offered during the AFD and if there are editors who are willing to continue researching into secondary sources, then the article could be brought back in the future. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 16:54, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Angus, I understand the COI rules, and I have no intention of revising my own page myself. I just find it amusing that I'm the only true expert on myself, being the only person who's been there for every moment of my entire life, but my words are only valid when they're told to, and filtered through, a published source. But letting Wikipedia be Wikipedia also allows persistent factual errors to persist. I never voiced General Blanque in TMNT 2003, despite several websites that claim otherwise. The only reason I know that is I would've recognized the character's name or face when sourced, but I didn't because I wasn't there for the record. Repetition of factoids does not make them facts. Itsamike ( talk) 17:44, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Mike Pollock has multiple voice roles and he should have his old page back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.5.75.216 ( talk • contribs) 16:56, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
I am a little confused why it's a redirect page if it was deleted. Clicking on Mike Pollock from his credited role of being the Narrator from Pokemon Chronicles or Raoul Contesta from the normal Pokemon anime shouldn't take me to Dr. Eggman. I feel like that's reason enough to undo the deletion. But I know you guys have your rules on why the page shouldn't be there, so I feel like at least the page shouldn't even be a redirect to Eggman if it can't exist on it's own. That's just me though. 64.25.201.13 ( talk) 09:56, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
First off, Mike has a major list of credits, not just Sonic but in many other Movies, Games and Shows. I am not that good at editing Wiki but I have done it for more then one site and I at least know to find sources before making a change like that. (looking at the list from the Articles for deletion/Mike Pollock: Revision history) [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocks the Squirrel ( talk • contribs) 00:02, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
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Why was the section removed in the first place to redirect to a single work he's done?
That's very unprofessional and quite silly, as said, we shouldn't have to click is name in Pokemon's wiki and then be brought to his Dr. Eggman role with no information on the man himself.
Please restore his page. SebbyTH1 ( talk) 08:10, 3 August 2016 (UTC) SebbyTH1
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He has all this so whats the issue but you don't like it. Rocks the Squirrel ( talk) 08:30, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Given the recent attempts to restore the article, I have moved it over to draft. You can work on it there. But it will not be restored as a regular article until it meets WP:GNG. Otherwise it'll be AFD'ed again. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 09:26, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
I would like to add that the current sources in the article are very poor. This is one of the main issues that needs to be addressed before it can be moved back to the main space. IMDb, Rotten Tomatoes, Behind the Voice are not reliable as there is no editorial oversight. They also do not provide enough in-depth information to prove notability. This link is a primary source and is also just a list of credits so not enough to prove notabilty. Also, the Biography of Living Persons Policy still applies to articles in Draft space and I will remove any unsourced content that would potentially violate this policy. Sarahj2107 ( talk) 10:28, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
There are way too many unreliable sources in this draft and given how reliant the the article is in using them this seems counter productive. They don't solve the issues the original article had and if anything compound the issue. Fan sites and blogs are not reliable so sources yet the article isn't filled with them. SephyTheThird ( talk) 19:34, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
I've now removed most, if not all of the clearly unreliable sources on the page. Of all the ones that looked like they should be removed only one appeared to be written by a possible reliable source. The rest consist entirely of fan blogs and forums and fail WP:RS. Nothing good will come of stuffing an article full of sources that are going to be questioned and relying on them just strengthens the outcome of the previous AFD. Their is no need to rush this draft and it will be taken much more seriously if it uses better sources and doesn't rely on all of those clearly unreliable sites. Note that simply having an interview with someone does not make it a credible reliable source. Also note that using self published sources such as blogs on biographies of living people is against wikipedia policy WP:BLPSPS. SephyTheThird ( talk) 12:54, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm afraid that you would have to buy the book in order to see proof that Mike voiced Hot Doggone-It. Homechallenge55 ( talk) 21:05, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
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Last I checked, it was 2022. Why would the fact(!) that I'm Jewish be up for debate? Is there suddenly something wrong with that? It's hardly a joke, let alone a stupid one. I find your disbelief of my faith disturbing…. Itsamike ( talk) 05:21, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Mike Pollock has shared before that he doesn't like the headshot used and request for a more professional headshot of him, primarily the one he uses at conventionz. Belizean1958 ( talk) 18:31, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
Should we add stuff about his recent controversy to the article? He recently made comments on the Israel-Palestine conflict that garnered a lot of criticism, it even trended on Twitter. But I'm not sure if this is a notable enough event to be mentioned here. Mariosonic500 ( talk) 06:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
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Mike Pollock has been much, much more than simply Dr. Eggman. This isn't a Deem Bristow situation where he really doesn't have many roles. Gokaiblue16 ( talk) 19:16, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Mile Pollock is a very talented voice actor with a lot of great roles. He is known for so much more other than just Dr. Eggman. There are plenty of reasons as to why he should continue to have his own page, as there is a surplus of information about him and his performances. I have seen firsthand people genuinely looking up Wikipedia to see his other roles, so I am aware that there is demand for a full page on him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrthegamerdude ( talk • contribs) 20:16, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
This was a pathetic decision. Could it be that the user that recommended deletion is just jealous? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.5.75.216 ( talk) 19:58, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
So should I be hiring a PR firm to get media coverage that contributors can then independently discover and contribute? The mainstream media have yet to come beating down my door of their own volition. Itsamike ( talk) 21:31, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
His body of work should be enough. If there can be an article for every episode of Seinfeld, then there can be an article for Mike Pollock. Gokaiblue ( talk) 22:27, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
@BURob13 I have read both, and for the sources aspect, I think it's a little hypocritcal to keep many other VAs articles as I'm sure there aren't much "secondary sources" talking about their roles (depending on how you define the term). As for the notability, he meets 2/3, like most Voice actors. Gokaiblue ( talk) 22:47, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Just gonna say, you know you're not really doing the website you work for a lot of favours by stating that having a page on here could be undesirable. That quip aside... I gotta say, having an article about a fictional character being more important than the artist who portrayed him for the last decade seems kinda trivializing to me, like implying someone's career is basically equivalent to the most familiar role they're known for. That said, not to throw other VA's under the bus, but having a quick look through the "American male voice actors" list on here, I'm seeing plenty of people who are apparently still notable enough for their own page despite only really being famous for one big role among several "lesser" ones (and in some cases not even that). But hey, that's none of my business. - H Hog ( talk) 23:21, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Rob, you personally may not be saying anything about importance, but this comment was made to an earlier editor during the recent unpleasantness: "Thank you for reverting your edit to Mike Pollock, since it has been consensed that he is currently unimportant enough to have his own wikipedia article." --‖ Ebyabe [Emphasis added.] Would we consider that a poor choice of words? Itsamike ( talk) 00:12, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Fair enough, Rob. Like everything else I do, we'll leave it to the fate of the casting director. In the meantime, I've got auditons to get to. Thanks. Itsamike ( talk) 02:27, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Another option was to throw it back into WP:DRAFT or have it WP:USERFIED. That way a user can develop it with the proper secondary sources. It wouldn't work if Mike himself did that draft because of the WP:COI, but that was offered during the AFD and if there are editors who are willing to continue researching into secondary sources, then the article could be brought back in the future. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 16:54, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Angus, I understand the COI rules, and I have no intention of revising my own page myself. I just find it amusing that I'm the only true expert on myself, being the only person who's been there for every moment of my entire life, but my words are only valid when they're told to, and filtered through, a published source. But letting Wikipedia be Wikipedia also allows persistent factual errors to persist. I never voiced General Blanque in TMNT 2003, despite several websites that claim otherwise. The only reason I know that is I would've recognized the character's name or face when sourced, but I didn't because I wasn't there for the record. Repetition of factoids does not make them facts. Itsamike ( talk) 17:44, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Mike Pollock has multiple voice roles and he should have his old page back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.5.75.216 ( talk • contribs) 16:56, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
I am a little confused why it's a redirect page if it was deleted. Clicking on Mike Pollock from his credited role of being the Narrator from Pokemon Chronicles or Raoul Contesta from the normal Pokemon anime shouldn't take me to Dr. Eggman. I feel like that's reason enough to undo the deletion. But I know you guys have your rules on why the page shouldn't be there, so I feel like at least the page shouldn't even be a redirect to Eggman if it can't exist on it's own. That's just me though. 64.25.201.13 ( talk) 09:56, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
First off, Mike has a major list of credits, not just Sonic but in many other Movies, Games and Shows. I am not that good at editing Wiki but I have done it for more then one site and I at least know to find sources before making a change like that. (looking at the list from the Articles for deletion/Mike Pollock: Revision history) [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocks the Squirrel ( talk • contribs) 00:02, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
References
(Other section removed in talk discussion concerning myself AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 09:27, 3 August 2016 (UTC))
Why was the section removed in the first place to redirect to a single work he's done?
That's very unprofessional and quite silly, as said, we shouldn't have to click is name in Pokemon's wiki and then be brought to his Dr. Eggman role with no information on the man himself.
Please restore his page. SebbyTH1 ( talk) 08:10, 3 August 2016 (UTC) SebbyTH1
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He has all this so whats the issue but you don't like it. Rocks the Squirrel ( talk) 08:30, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Given the recent attempts to restore the article, I have moved it over to draft. You can work on it there. But it will not be restored as a regular article until it meets WP:GNG. Otherwise it'll be AFD'ed again. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 09:26, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
I would like to add that the current sources in the article are very poor. This is one of the main issues that needs to be addressed before it can be moved back to the main space. IMDb, Rotten Tomatoes, Behind the Voice are not reliable as there is no editorial oversight. They also do not provide enough in-depth information to prove notability. This link is a primary source and is also just a list of credits so not enough to prove notabilty. Also, the Biography of Living Persons Policy still applies to articles in Draft space and I will remove any unsourced content that would potentially violate this policy. Sarahj2107 ( talk) 10:28, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
There are way too many unreliable sources in this draft and given how reliant the the article is in using them this seems counter productive. They don't solve the issues the original article had and if anything compound the issue. Fan sites and blogs are not reliable so sources yet the article isn't filled with them. SephyTheThird ( talk) 19:34, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
I've now removed most, if not all of the clearly unreliable sources on the page. Of all the ones that looked like they should be removed only one appeared to be written by a possible reliable source. The rest consist entirely of fan blogs and forums and fail WP:RS. Nothing good will come of stuffing an article full of sources that are going to be questioned and relying on them just strengthens the outcome of the previous AFD. Their is no need to rush this draft and it will be taken much more seriously if it uses better sources and doesn't rely on all of those clearly unreliable sites. Note that simply having an interview with someone does not make it a credible reliable source. Also note that using self published sources such as blogs on biographies of living people is against wikipedia policy WP:BLPSPS. SephyTheThird ( talk) 12:54, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm afraid that you would have to buy the book in order to see proof that Mike voiced Hot Doggone-It. Homechallenge55 ( talk) 21:05, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
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Last I checked, it was 2022. Why would the fact(!) that I'm Jewish be up for debate? Is there suddenly something wrong with that? It's hardly a joke, let alone a stupid one. I find your disbelief of my faith disturbing…. Itsamike ( talk) 05:21, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Mike Pollock has shared before that he doesn't like the headshot used and request for a more professional headshot of him, primarily the one he uses at conventionz. Belizean1958 ( talk) 18:31, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
Should we add stuff about his recent controversy to the article? He recently made comments on the Israel-Palestine conflict that garnered a lot of criticism, it even trended on Twitter. But I'm not sure if this is a notable enough event to be mentioned here. Mariosonic500 ( talk) 06:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)