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Amongst the problems is that the source mentions one person and not "some". Next, although the State Department does maintain a list of terrorist organizations, "specially designated terrorist organisation" is a category that doesn't exist and is written like that just for puffery. Next, what Hamas republishes is not indicative of a connection and is irrelevant to the article except as smear. But the worst problem is that neither the source nor Icewhiz (who I'll assume doesn't know) identify the author of these claims as a career diplomat with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and a designated spokesperson of the Israeli embassy in London. [1] The fact that Jewish News violated professional journalistic standards by publishing an Israeli government statement as if it was a news article is not an excuse for us to do the same. Zero talk 01:59, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
the London-based Middle East Monitor - a pro-Hamas publication ...- the BBC uses pro-Hamas publication without qualifications. It does seem the Telegraph piece, which doesn't seem like an opnion piece, - [2] makes the same claims as Jewish News -
Interpal is banned by the US government as a terrorist organisation.,
Memo’s “senior editor”, Ibrahim Hewitt, is chairman of Interpal, the Hamas and Brotherhood-linked charity.. Hewitt is a major figure here (most senior editor - sole "senior editor" on the staff). Icewhiz ( talk) 07:58, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Interpal is a charity in the UK and has a Wikipedia page. A remotely neutral description of it would at least have a sentence about its status in the UK and the determination of the Charity commission, as mentioned in the lead of the Interpal article. You can mention the US and Israeli determination if it is relevant, but to leave out the UK status is ridiculous. At least pretend to be writing an encyclopedia article instead of a hatchet job.
As for the editorial line of MEMO, whether or not it supports Hamas or Islamists is irrelevant. The aim of the sentence as phrased is to associated it with terrorism. I quote the lead of the Interpal article: The British High Court found it is libellous in July 2010 to state that Interpal supported Hamas.
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Other organisations at Crown House are Middle East Monitor (Memo), a news site which promotes a strongly pro-Brotherhood and pro-Hamas view of the region. Memo’s director, Daud Abdullah, is also a leader of the Brotherhood-linked British Muslim Initiative, set up and run by the Brotherhood activist Anas al-Tikriti and two senior figures in Hamas. Memo’s “senior editor”, Ibrahim Hewitt, is chairman of Interpal, the Hamas and Brotherhood-linked charity.[4] - leaving the designation of Interpal itself outside of this article? Icewhiz ( talk) 08:43, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Memo’s “senior editor”, Ibrahim Hewitt, is chairman of Interpal, the Hamas and Brotherhood-linked charity.- without the US terror designation -or add the designation AND the charity commission report. Icewhiz ( talk) 11:42, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
It is ever so fascinating comparing this article to say Shurat HaDin's Mossad-links (which were routinely removed until ms Darshan-Leitner wrote about it herself in the NYT), or MEMRI (where the sentence "MEMRI's founding staff of seven included three who had formerly served in military intelligence in the Israeli Defense Forces" now has magically disappeared...), Huldra ( talk) 20:49, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
The Lead is supposed to summarise the body of the article, yet its final sentence, "It has been characterized as a pro-Hamas publication by the BBC," does not reflect anything included lower down. It's probably worth noting that the cited source was written by John Ware, who's output on Israel-Palestine-related material is somewhat controversial. The 2019 Panorama episode, "Is Labour Anti-Semitic?", was one of his. ← ZScarpia 12:32, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
This should be reverted to "by the BBC", as the BBC have strict regulations - a reporter for the BBC would not be allowed publicly state this if it were not within the general consensus of the BBC. Durdyfiv1 ( talk) 21:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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This article lacks balance. It states the Israeli claim that Interpal supports terrorism, and by extension MEMO, an unsubstantiated claim that has been disproven by the UK government (4] Roy Greenslade (13 January 2011). "Catalogue of legal pay-outs that shames Express Newspapers". The Guardian 2600:1700:BD80:13A0:10E:ECA6:E8AF:9867 ( talk) 18:37, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Cite # 13 is a biased and unreliable source. It should not be used as a credit to the claim that Middle East eye is Hamas-backed 69.119.76.160 ( talk) 01:01, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
Does someone object? FortunateSons ( talk) 19:08, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
The following material is undue but disputed as such by @ Alexis:: According to Haaretz in 2015, Community Security Trust described MEMO in 2015 as a conspiracy theory-peddling anti-Israel organisation, [1]
CST is a charity with zero capacity to expound on the reliability of a newsorg and the original material comes from a CST blog abount something else entirely which is even worse. Selfstudier ( talk) 12:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
The Community Security Trust, the main Jewish organization monitoring all forms of racism, highlighted on its website that Corbyn is also scheduled to appear soon at a conference of the conspiracy-theory peddling anti-Israel organization Middle East Monitor, along with the anti-Semitic and Holocaust denier cartoonist Carlos Latuff. As the CST's communications director Dave Rich writes, "The problem is not that Corbyn is an anti-Semite or a Holocaust denier – he is neither. The problem is that he seems to gravitate towards people who are."It's not clear if "conspiracy-theory peddling anti-Israel organization" is Ha'aretz's accurate paraphrasing of MEMO or their own editorialising. I strongly believe CST is a reliable source for facts about this organisation. The fact that Ha'aretz, a strong RS, is citing them is evidence that it's noteworthy. Other RSs also cite CST frequently as a reliable source (per WP:USEBYOTHERS), including on the topic of this article. E.g.
Saleh, a Palestinian with Israeli citizenship whose legal team claimed he had not been aware of the ban, came to the UK for a speaking tour at the invitation of London-based Middle East Monitor (Memo), but was detained three days later after May served a deportation notice saying his presence in the UK was "not conducive to the public good"... Just 17 minutes after receiving a report on him, prepared by the Community Security Trust, a UK charity that monitors antisemitism, Faye Johnson, private secretary to the home secretary, emailed about a parliamentary event Salah was due to attend. "Is there anything that we can do to prevent him from attending (eg could we exclude him on the grounds of unacceptable behaviour?)" she wrote. The CST's report said Salah's record of provocative statements carried a risk that his presence in the UK could have "a radicalising impact" on his audiences... The immigration tribunal had been told that the home secretary acted on information provided to the government by the CST and the Jewish Board of Deputies.[5]
The CST accused MEMO of peddling conspiracy theories and myths about Jews, Zionists, money and power.[6]
On Monday afternoon, i24News, an international news cable news network based in Jaffa, reported that Corbyn visited Israel and the West Bank to meet with Hamas officials in 2010. According to the report, Corbyn, then a minor MP, was flown in by Middle East Monitor, a British organization which has accused Israel of “ethnic cleansing” and whose rhetoric was described as “strikingly familiar [to] older forms of antisemitism” by the Community Security Trust, British Jewry’s anti-Semitism watchdog.[7]
Marc Goldberg, Head of Investigations at the Community Security Trust (CST), said the event [attended by Daud Abdullah, director of the news website Middle East Monitor] was part of a growing effort to undermine the interfaith movement, which is supported by many Jewish and Muslim leaders to foster mutual understanding.[8]
During an online event with Middle East Monitor in 2020, Dr Sitta claimed that the founding of Israel was “exactly like Nazi Germany occupying France”... His comments were labelled “racist” by the Community Security Trust (CST), while academic David Hirsh described him as “antisemitic”...[9]
MEMO is a UK-based Islamist pressure group, which the UK Jewish community’s antisemitism watchdog accuses of crossing the line into antisemitism. The CST told i24NEWS: “MEMO’s work includes supposed anti-Zionism that is actually strikingly familiar from older forms of antisemitism, but with Jews removed and so-called Zionists used instead.”[13] If reliable, more evidence of noteworthiness, and also (as with some of the other examples) quoting spokespeople rather than the website. BobFromBrockley ( talk) 21:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
MEMO has organised several meetings featuring Hamas leaders and terrorist sympathisers; its website also repeatedly peddles conspiracy theories about Jews in articles such as “How money from Israeli donors controls Westminster.”, 2015.
An article shared almost 7,000 times on Middle East Monitor claims that Saudi Arabia has authorised an incorrect translation of the Quran and implies that it this was done to please Israel. The news was shared far and wide by anti-Saudi blogs and social media pages. The news however, is fake. The article claimed that the Masjid Al Aqsa was changed to “The Temple” which is the Jewish name for the third holiest site of Islam. The claims got even wilder where it was claimed that Saudi authorities allowed the name of, the Messenger of Allah, Muhammad (ﷺ) to be deleted from the Quran. The source of this claim is the biggest concern. Middle East Monitor claims their source as “ Shehab News Agency”, an extremist blog which was removed from Facebook in 2015 for promoting extremism and anti-Semitic content. More specifically the source is “researcher on Israeli affairs, Aladdin Ahmed” which upon closer inspection leads us to the original article from which the Middle East Monitor article seems to be taken. The Iranian website Iqna.ir which published the same story 28 hours before Middle East Monitor. They place their sources as the same video and the same individuals.) 2020.
There were many others who claimed direct Israeli responsibility for deadly force used against African Americans. The Middle East Monitor (MEMO), a press monitoring organization that has been characterized as a group that promotes Jewish conspiracies and is pro-Hamas, circulated a cartoon of an Israeli soldier instructing an American policeman in a classroom on how to kneel on someone’s neck.) 2020.
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Remove the last few lines of the opening sections which use the citations 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, and 13. They all reference the publisher as being islamist, pro hamas, or pro Muslim brotherhood yet none of the citations state that. Some of them aren't even about the subject.
Remove the criticism section that cites 18, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, and 30. They all reference articles written by a person who has previously had to apologize and withdraw his comments for being false or inflammatory. None of the contents are backed by those citations or the citations are not respectable.
I do not know that these things are true or false, but I know that the citations used to state them are not able to do so. 2600:8801:1508:A0:292B:8D3B:BA38:4EF3 ( talk) 17:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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Icewhiz wants this:
Amongst the problems is that the source mentions one person and not "some". Next, although the State Department does maintain a list of terrorist organizations, "specially designated terrorist organisation" is a category that doesn't exist and is written like that just for puffery. Next, what Hamas republishes is not indicative of a connection and is irrelevant to the article except as smear. But the worst problem is that neither the source nor Icewhiz (who I'll assume doesn't know) identify the author of these claims as a career diplomat with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and a designated spokesperson of the Israeli embassy in London. [1] The fact that Jewish News violated professional journalistic standards by publishing an Israeli government statement as if it was a news article is not an excuse for us to do the same. Zero talk 01:59, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
the London-based Middle East Monitor - a pro-Hamas publication ...- the BBC uses pro-Hamas publication without qualifications. It does seem the Telegraph piece, which doesn't seem like an opnion piece, - [2] makes the same claims as Jewish News -
Interpal is banned by the US government as a terrorist organisation.,
Memo’s “senior editor”, Ibrahim Hewitt, is chairman of Interpal, the Hamas and Brotherhood-linked charity.. Hewitt is a major figure here (most senior editor - sole "senior editor" on the staff). Icewhiz ( talk) 07:58, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Interpal is a charity in the UK and has a Wikipedia page. A remotely neutral description of it would at least have a sentence about its status in the UK and the determination of the Charity commission, as mentioned in the lead of the Interpal article. You can mention the US and Israeli determination if it is relevant, but to leave out the UK status is ridiculous. At least pretend to be writing an encyclopedia article instead of a hatchet job.
As for the editorial line of MEMO, whether or not it supports Hamas or Islamists is irrelevant. The aim of the sentence as phrased is to associated it with terrorism. I quote the lead of the Interpal article: The British High Court found it is libellous in July 2010 to state that Interpal supported Hamas.
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Other organisations at Crown House are Middle East Monitor (Memo), a news site which promotes a strongly pro-Brotherhood and pro-Hamas view of the region. Memo’s director, Daud Abdullah, is also a leader of the Brotherhood-linked British Muslim Initiative, set up and run by the Brotherhood activist Anas al-Tikriti and two senior figures in Hamas. Memo’s “senior editor”, Ibrahim Hewitt, is chairman of Interpal, the Hamas and Brotherhood-linked charity.[4] - leaving the designation of Interpal itself outside of this article? Icewhiz ( talk) 08:43, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Memo’s “senior editor”, Ibrahim Hewitt, is chairman of Interpal, the Hamas and Brotherhood-linked charity.- without the US terror designation -or add the designation AND the charity commission report. Icewhiz ( talk) 11:42, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
It is ever so fascinating comparing this article to say Shurat HaDin's Mossad-links (which were routinely removed until ms Darshan-Leitner wrote about it herself in the NYT), or MEMRI (where the sentence "MEMRI's founding staff of seven included three who had formerly served in military intelligence in the Israeli Defense Forces" now has magically disappeared...), Huldra ( talk) 20:49, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
The Lead is supposed to summarise the body of the article, yet its final sentence, "It has been characterized as a pro-Hamas publication by the BBC," does not reflect anything included lower down. It's probably worth noting that the cited source was written by John Ware, who's output on Israel-Palestine-related material is somewhat controversial. The 2019 Panorama episode, "Is Labour Anti-Semitic?", was one of his. ← ZScarpia 12:32, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
This should be reverted to "by the BBC", as the BBC have strict regulations - a reporter for the BBC would not be allowed publicly state this if it were not within the general consensus of the BBC. Durdyfiv1 ( talk) 21:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
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This article lacks balance. It states the Israeli claim that Interpal supports terrorism, and by extension MEMO, an unsubstantiated claim that has been disproven by the UK government (4] Roy Greenslade (13 January 2011). "Catalogue of legal pay-outs that shames Express Newspapers". The Guardian 2600:1700:BD80:13A0:10E:ECA6:E8AF:9867 ( talk) 18:37, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
Cite # 13 is a biased and unreliable source. It should not be used as a credit to the claim that Middle East eye is Hamas-backed 69.119.76.160 ( talk) 01:01, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
Does someone object? FortunateSons ( talk) 19:08, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
The following material is undue but disputed as such by @ Alexis:: According to Haaretz in 2015, Community Security Trust described MEMO in 2015 as a conspiracy theory-peddling anti-Israel organisation, [1]
CST is a charity with zero capacity to expound on the reliability of a newsorg and the original material comes from a CST blog abount something else entirely which is even worse. Selfstudier ( talk) 12:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
The Community Security Trust, the main Jewish organization monitoring all forms of racism, highlighted on its website that Corbyn is also scheduled to appear soon at a conference of the conspiracy-theory peddling anti-Israel organization Middle East Monitor, along with the anti-Semitic and Holocaust denier cartoonist Carlos Latuff. As the CST's communications director Dave Rich writes, "The problem is not that Corbyn is an anti-Semite or a Holocaust denier – he is neither. The problem is that he seems to gravitate towards people who are."It's not clear if "conspiracy-theory peddling anti-Israel organization" is Ha'aretz's accurate paraphrasing of MEMO or their own editorialising. I strongly believe CST is a reliable source for facts about this organisation. The fact that Ha'aretz, a strong RS, is citing them is evidence that it's noteworthy. Other RSs also cite CST frequently as a reliable source (per WP:USEBYOTHERS), including on the topic of this article. E.g.
Saleh, a Palestinian with Israeli citizenship whose legal team claimed he had not been aware of the ban, came to the UK for a speaking tour at the invitation of London-based Middle East Monitor (Memo), but was detained three days later after May served a deportation notice saying his presence in the UK was "not conducive to the public good"... Just 17 minutes after receiving a report on him, prepared by the Community Security Trust, a UK charity that monitors antisemitism, Faye Johnson, private secretary to the home secretary, emailed about a parliamentary event Salah was due to attend. "Is there anything that we can do to prevent him from attending (eg could we exclude him on the grounds of unacceptable behaviour?)" she wrote. The CST's report said Salah's record of provocative statements carried a risk that his presence in the UK could have "a radicalising impact" on his audiences... The immigration tribunal had been told that the home secretary acted on information provided to the government by the CST and the Jewish Board of Deputies.[5]
The CST accused MEMO of peddling conspiracy theories and myths about Jews, Zionists, money and power.[6]
On Monday afternoon, i24News, an international news cable news network based in Jaffa, reported that Corbyn visited Israel and the West Bank to meet with Hamas officials in 2010. According to the report, Corbyn, then a minor MP, was flown in by Middle East Monitor, a British organization which has accused Israel of “ethnic cleansing” and whose rhetoric was described as “strikingly familiar [to] older forms of antisemitism” by the Community Security Trust, British Jewry’s anti-Semitism watchdog.[7]
Marc Goldberg, Head of Investigations at the Community Security Trust (CST), said the event [attended by Daud Abdullah, director of the news website Middle East Monitor] was part of a growing effort to undermine the interfaith movement, which is supported by many Jewish and Muslim leaders to foster mutual understanding.[8]
During an online event with Middle East Monitor in 2020, Dr Sitta claimed that the founding of Israel was “exactly like Nazi Germany occupying France”... His comments were labelled “racist” by the Community Security Trust (CST), while academic David Hirsh described him as “antisemitic”...[9]
MEMO is a UK-based Islamist pressure group, which the UK Jewish community’s antisemitism watchdog accuses of crossing the line into antisemitism. The CST told i24NEWS: “MEMO’s work includes supposed anti-Zionism that is actually strikingly familiar from older forms of antisemitism, but with Jews removed and so-called Zionists used instead.”[13] If reliable, more evidence of noteworthiness, and also (as with some of the other examples) quoting spokespeople rather than the website. BobFromBrockley ( talk) 21:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
MEMO has organised several meetings featuring Hamas leaders and terrorist sympathisers; its website also repeatedly peddles conspiracy theories about Jews in articles such as “How money from Israeli donors controls Westminster.”, 2015.
An article shared almost 7,000 times on Middle East Monitor claims that Saudi Arabia has authorised an incorrect translation of the Quran and implies that it this was done to please Israel. The news was shared far and wide by anti-Saudi blogs and social media pages. The news however, is fake. The article claimed that the Masjid Al Aqsa was changed to “The Temple” which is the Jewish name for the third holiest site of Islam. The claims got even wilder where it was claimed that Saudi authorities allowed the name of, the Messenger of Allah, Muhammad (ﷺ) to be deleted from the Quran. The source of this claim is the biggest concern. Middle East Monitor claims their source as “ Shehab News Agency”, an extremist blog which was removed from Facebook in 2015 for promoting extremism and anti-Semitic content. More specifically the source is “researcher on Israeli affairs, Aladdin Ahmed” which upon closer inspection leads us to the original article from which the Middle East Monitor article seems to be taken. The Iranian website Iqna.ir which published the same story 28 hours before Middle East Monitor. They place their sources as the same video and the same individuals.) 2020.
There were many others who claimed direct Israeli responsibility for deadly force used against African Americans. The Middle East Monitor (MEMO), a press monitoring organization that has been characterized as a group that promotes Jewish conspiracies and is pro-Hamas, circulated a cartoon of an Israeli soldier instructing an American policeman in a classroom on how to kneel on someone’s neck.) 2020.
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Remove the criticism section that cites 18, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, and 30. They all reference articles written by a person who has previously had to apologize and withdraw his comments for being false or inflammatory. None of the contents are backed by those citations or the citations are not respectable.
I do not know that these things are true or false, but I know that the citations used to state them are not able to do so. 2600:8801:1508:A0:292B:8D3B:BA38:4EF3 ( talk) 17:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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