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I've been working on this article with help from temmaharbour... right now it'd be great to arrange it into categories, perhaps move the single/album release information to a chart, and verify the information overall.-- Marysunshine 04:01, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Check The Beatles' miscellanea to see if there is anything in it you can use. A lot of 'miscellanea' needs to be trimmed (as linked articles are improved) so please feel free to use anything before certain sections get zapped into the ether... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 16:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
According to a documentary clip on YouTube (www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYSAxOscF78) in which she is the only person talking English (and not Welsh), her teacher's son says about Mary's Welsh when she entered his father's school: "Mary was a borderline case. She had a smattering of Welsh, but she was put in the Welsh stream." Does that mean that she was not "born [...] to a Welsh-speaking family" as indicated in the article? Or was there much more English spoken than Welsh and became she fluent in Welsh only in school? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.88.42.41 ( talk) 15:17, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Copied from User talk:Jacklee]
Hi, Sorry what did I write that you do not agree with as I cannot find anything that has been reverted? temmaharbour
You recently left a message on my talk page asking me "Hi, Sorry what did I write that you do not agree with as I cannot find anything that has been reverted? temmaharbour". I had a look, and this relates to a change that you made to the guideline "Wikipedia:Citing sources" about a year ago, on 27 June 2008 [1]. For some unexplained reason, you inserted the sentence "Permitted use from www.maryhopkin.co.uk" in the section "General references versus inline citations". I suspect this was a mistake on your part, so I left a message on your talk page pointing it out. — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 07:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Temmaharbour"
To JackLee From temmaharbour No this was not a mistake I was providing information which I thought was needed after I had made an alteration
"WHy would you suspect this was a mistake on my part"? this is why I wrote asking you what had been reverted you still have not told me? THis is a long time ago how would I remember THis is why I hate using this site as it is so confusing I check in on Mary's page only as it is the only page I am interested in. So much rubbish is written on her page and it needs to be policed by someone who at least has the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Temmaharbour ( talk • contribs) 23:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
this is what I think happened back then... someone had taken the picture of Mary Hopkin from the page so I undid the change and put the picture back up, giving the ref of Mary's website as permission to use the picture. this whole wiki site is a complete bureaucratic waste of time. If there were not so many 'idiots' vandalising the page with sick comments I wouldnt bother visiting it to make changes.. I cannot be botherd with all this —Preceding unsigned comment added by Temmaharbour ( talk • contribs) 00:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Look we are going round and round in circles... What you have just said above I know and understand... any stupid vandalism on the Hopkin page I will delete and any new CD releases I will update... if you want to check the spelling and grammar fine... But the rest is ridiculous.. Where did I say that I had TAKEN the picture from her website? I never said that. I asked if it was ok to use the picture and they said yes!
How on Earth can I PROVE something to you even after I have asked permission from the artiste herself ... I am at a loss... a total loss... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Temmaharbour ( talk • contribs) 00:01, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Dear Sirs/Mesdames,
I am one of the many volunteer editors of Wikipedia, and understand that you represent [Name]. I would very much like to use a photograph of him in the Wikipedia article "[Name of article]", which I have been updating recently. In order to do so legally, I need to obtain a photograph that has been licensed by its copyright owner for use on Wikipedia and its sister projects under a free licence such as the GNU Free Documentation License. Other acceptable free licences are the Creative Commons Attribution (CC-BY) and Attribution-Sharealike (CC-BY-SA) licences. (Click on the links for more information about those licences.) Do note that by agreeing to license the image, the copyright owner is agreeing to the conditions set out at the end of this e-mail.
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Is there any particular reason why Hopkins' albums apparently have no articles? There are certainly many less notable albums with articles, and in fact Hopkins is one of the only artists listed at Apple Records discography not to have individual articles on each of her albums. At the very least Postcard rates one. 70.72.211.35 ( talk) 22:11, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
An IP editor has recently added extensive material on the TV series Mary Hopkin in the Land of.... I did some tidying-up and removed the transmission times. An IP editor reverted most of my edits. They were restored by an IP editor, removed again by Arjayay, and added for a third time by an IP editor.
However, I think the problems with this content go beyond the inclusion of transmission times. I do not dispute that the material is accurate and well-sourced. The problem is that it does not merit inclusion in this article. WP:NOTEVERYTHING says
This article is about Mary Hopkin, who is principally known as a singer. We should mention that she has also been a TV presenter, but listing the details of these programmes gives such undue prominence that it gives a misleading impression of her career, see WP:WEIGHT.
The inclusion of large numbers of names of people without articles is also an issue. These names are of little interest to readers and add nothing useful to the article.
Much of this material might be put in a separate article about this TV series, however I suspect that the series is insufficiently notable for an article. It might be useful to post it to Wikidata.
In my view, we should summarise this TV series in one paragraph. I propose a section, as follows:
TelevisionIn 1970 Hopkin hosted and performed in a series of six thirty-minute programs on BBC1 television, titled Mary Hopkin in the Land of.... The programs were devised by Eric Merriman and explored fantasy subjects using music and dancing. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] References
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I think that is all that merits mentioning in this article. I have used these URLs as they show the episodes were 30 minutes long. I am wary of citing the self-published source, but this one looks reasonable and adds useful background.
I will make this edit following the Wikipedia:BOLD editing guideline. Please do not treat this as an aggressive action, I am partly doing this so that there is a single edit that on which other editors can take a view if it becomes necessary to widen the discussion.
Please discuss the issue here, preferably basing your arguments on Wikipedia policies, guidelines and conventions. Verbcatcher ( talk) 23:34, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
The DRN declined to take on this issue because of the one-sided discussion on this talk page. It was suggested that I might seek semi-protection of the article to encourage a proper discussion.
@ 210.19.117.130: I've asked you several times to discuss this matter properly, and to respond to my concerns. I'm going to make the change I have described above. If you revert without responding here, then I'm going to have to file a complaint against you at the administrators' noticeboard for disruptive editing by reverting without discussing. Verbcatcher ( talk) 15:03, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
"You hide behind a fake name you invented to disguise your IP address and your true identity. That is what a troll is."Why don't you just create an account, using your real name, like me? Martinevans123 ( talk) 15:05, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
Not here, please. -- John ( talk) 13:26, 12 July 2018 (UTC) |
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@ 210.19.117.130: I may be many things, but I can assure you I am nobody's "acolyte", either on or off Wikipedia. Deb ( talk) 13:44, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@ JG66: you have replaced several spelt-out numbers with numerals. MOS:NUMERAL specifies that numbers from zero to nine should be given as words. Numbers greater than nine that are expressible in one or two words may be expressed either in numerals or in words. Is there a good reason not to follow this here? For example, I prefer:
Verbcatcher ( talk) 17:39, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@ Verbcatcher: The liner notes for the EP on which this appears includes: "'Tammie'[sic] a top Debbie Reynolds hit of decade ago ..." [1] Reynold's 45 " Tammy" lists the writers as "Livingston – Evans" [2] and ASCAP (Work ID: 50009850) lists Jay Livingston and Ray Evans (died in the 2000s). It was included in the 1957 film Tammy and the Bachelor. Since this is rather recent, it is unlikely that the song is in the public domain. The uploader ( Jason.nlw) claims that they are the copyright holder to the Hopkin version. Are there any reliable sources that support this? — Ojorojo ( talk) 18:01, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
It would be good to specify the composers of musical items, or specify when they are "traditional". For example, File:Tami - Mary Hopkin.oggis a version of Tammy by Jay Livingston and Ray Evans, made famous by Debbie Reynolds.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew3mtNZFrMY] I hope that Sain have sorted out any necessary permissions.
The data for the clips was scraped from the SAIN website (with their permission), but the data you see on Commons is all we could access ... Unfortunately i dont really have any more time to spend on this project.
OK, I will ask about the license template on the OTRS notice board. As for the issue with copyright, i am happy to contact SAIN Records and ask about the rights, although i believe the OTRS team spoke with them directly before accepting the proof of copyright. Best Jason.nlw ( talk) 15:50, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
@
Ojorojo,
Verbcatcher, and
Martinevans123: FIY - a large number of SAIN clips have now been
nominated for deletion following a full review of the content by SAIN RECORDS.
Jason.nlw (
talk)
15:18, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
To the dickhead who keeps changing her to a 'british Welsh singer', knock it off. Mary Hopkin, from Wales, is a Welsh singer. 2601:183:4601:3480:EC83:1F7E:A295:5AE2 ( talk) 16:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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I've been working on this article with help from temmaharbour... right now it'd be great to arrange it into categories, perhaps move the single/album release information to a chart, and verify the information overall.-- Marysunshine 04:01, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Check The Beatles' miscellanea to see if there is anything in it you can use. A lot of 'miscellanea' needs to be trimmed (as linked articles are improved) so please feel free to use anything before certain sections get zapped into the ether... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 16:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
According to a documentary clip on YouTube (www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYSAxOscF78) in which she is the only person talking English (and not Welsh), her teacher's son says about Mary's Welsh when she entered his father's school: "Mary was a borderline case. She had a smattering of Welsh, but she was put in the Welsh stream." Does that mean that she was not "born [...] to a Welsh-speaking family" as indicated in the article? Or was there much more English spoken than Welsh and became she fluent in Welsh only in school? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.88.42.41 ( talk) 15:17, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Copied from User talk:Jacklee]
Hi, Sorry what did I write that you do not agree with as I cannot find anything that has been reverted? temmaharbour
You recently left a message on my talk page asking me "Hi, Sorry what did I write that you do not agree with as I cannot find anything that has been reverted? temmaharbour". I had a look, and this relates to a change that you made to the guideline "Wikipedia:Citing sources" about a year ago, on 27 June 2008 [1]. For some unexplained reason, you inserted the sentence "Permitted use from www.maryhopkin.co.uk" in the section "General references versus inline citations". I suspect this was a mistake on your part, so I left a message on your talk page pointing it out. — Cheers, JackLee –talk– 07:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Temmaharbour"
To JackLee From temmaharbour No this was not a mistake I was providing information which I thought was needed after I had made an alteration
"WHy would you suspect this was a mistake on my part"? this is why I wrote asking you what had been reverted you still have not told me? THis is a long time ago how would I remember THis is why I hate using this site as it is so confusing I check in on Mary's page only as it is the only page I am interested in. So much rubbish is written on her page and it needs to be policed by someone who at least has the facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Temmaharbour ( talk • contribs) 23:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
this is what I think happened back then... someone had taken the picture of Mary Hopkin from the page so I undid the change and put the picture back up, giving the ref of Mary's website as permission to use the picture. this whole wiki site is a complete bureaucratic waste of time. If there were not so many 'idiots' vandalising the page with sick comments I wouldnt bother visiting it to make changes.. I cannot be botherd with all this —Preceding unsigned comment added by Temmaharbour ( talk • contribs) 00:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Look we are going round and round in circles... What you have just said above I know and understand... any stupid vandalism on the Hopkin page I will delete and any new CD releases I will update... if you want to check the spelling and grammar fine... But the rest is ridiculous.. Where did I say that I had TAKEN the picture from her website? I never said that. I asked if it was ok to use the picture and they said yes!
How on Earth can I PROVE something to you even after I have asked permission from the artiste herself ... I am at a loss... a total loss... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Temmaharbour ( talk • contribs) 00:01, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Dear Sirs/Mesdames,
I am one of the many volunteer editors of Wikipedia, and understand that you represent [Name]. I would very much like to use a photograph of him in the Wikipedia article "[Name of article]", which I have been updating recently. In order to do so legally, I need to obtain a photograph that has been licensed by its copyright owner for use on Wikipedia and its sister projects under a free licence such as the GNU Free Documentation License. Other acceptable free licences are the Creative Commons Attribution (CC-BY) and Attribution-Sharealike (CC-BY-SA) licences. (Click on the links for more information about those licences.) Do note that by agreeing to license the image, the copyright owner is agreeing to the conditions set out at the end of this e-mail.
I would therefore be grateful if you are able to provide me with a suitable photograph, and if you can confirm that you (as the copyright owner yourself or on behalf of the copyright owner) are agreeable to licensing the image to Wikipedia on the terms stated in this e-mail. While high-quality images are of course preferred, a smaller low-resolution image is also welcome.
If you are unable to provide a photograph, I would also be grateful if you could refer me to some person or organization that might be able to.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Regards,
[Your name]
- I hereby assert on behalf of [name of copyright owner], which I am authorized by [name of copyright owner] to do, that [name of copyright owner] is the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of the work.
- The copyright owner agrees to publish that work under the GNU Free Documentation Licence and the Creative Commons Attribution (CC-BY) licence [please amend if necessary, otherwise both licences will apply].
- The copyright owner acknowledges that it grants anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product, and to modify it according to their needs.
- The copyright owner is aware that it always retains copyright of its work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be attributed to the copyright owner.
- The copyright owner is aware that the free licence only concerns copyright, and reserves the option to take action against anyone who uses this work in a libelous way, or in violation of personality rights, trademark restrictions, etc.
- The copyright owner acknowledges that it cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the image may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.
Is there any particular reason why Hopkins' albums apparently have no articles? There are certainly many less notable albums with articles, and in fact Hopkins is one of the only artists listed at Apple Records discography not to have individual articles on each of her albums. At the very least Postcard rates one. 70.72.211.35 ( talk) 22:11, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
An IP editor has recently added extensive material on the TV series Mary Hopkin in the Land of.... I did some tidying-up and removed the transmission times. An IP editor reverted most of my edits. They were restored by an IP editor, removed again by Arjayay, and added for a third time by an IP editor.
However, I think the problems with this content go beyond the inclusion of transmission times. I do not dispute that the material is accurate and well-sourced. The problem is that it does not merit inclusion in this article. WP:NOTEVERYTHING says
This article is about Mary Hopkin, who is principally known as a singer. We should mention that she has also been a TV presenter, but listing the details of these programmes gives such undue prominence that it gives a misleading impression of her career, see WP:WEIGHT.
The inclusion of large numbers of names of people without articles is also an issue. These names are of little interest to readers and add nothing useful to the article.
Much of this material might be put in a separate article about this TV series, however I suspect that the series is insufficiently notable for an article. It might be useful to post it to Wikidata.
In my view, we should summarise this TV series in one paragraph. I propose a section, as follows:
TelevisionIn 1970 Hopkin hosted and performed in a series of six thirty-minute programs on BBC1 television, titled Mary Hopkin in the Land of.... The programs were devised by Eric Merriman and explored fantasy subjects using music and dancing. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] References
|
I think that is all that merits mentioning in this article. I have used these URLs as they show the episodes were 30 minutes long. I am wary of citing the self-published source, but this one looks reasonable and adds useful background.
I will make this edit following the Wikipedia:BOLD editing guideline. Please do not treat this as an aggressive action, I am partly doing this so that there is a single edit that on which other editors can take a view if it becomes necessary to widen the discussion.
Please discuss the issue here, preferably basing your arguments on Wikipedia policies, guidelines and conventions. Verbcatcher ( talk) 23:34, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
The DRN declined to take on this issue because of the one-sided discussion on this talk page. It was suggested that I might seek semi-protection of the article to encourage a proper discussion.
@ 210.19.117.130: I've asked you several times to discuss this matter properly, and to respond to my concerns. I'm going to make the change I have described above. If you revert without responding here, then I'm going to have to file a complaint against you at the administrators' noticeboard for disruptive editing by reverting without discussing. Verbcatcher ( talk) 15:03, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
"You hide behind a fake name you invented to disguise your IP address and your true identity. That is what a troll is."Why don't you just create an account, using your real name, like me? Martinevans123 ( talk) 15:05, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
Not here, please. -- John ( talk) 13:26, 12 July 2018 (UTC) |
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@ 210.19.117.130: I may be many things, but I can assure you I am nobody's "acolyte", either on or off Wikipedia. Deb ( talk) 13:44, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@ JG66: you have replaced several spelt-out numbers with numerals. MOS:NUMERAL specifies that numbers from zero to nine should be given as words. Numbers greater than nine that are expressible in one or two words may be expressed either in numerals or in words. Is there a good reason not to follow this here? For example, I prefer:
Verbcatcher ( talk) 17:39, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@ Verbcatcher: The liner notes for the EP on which this appears includes: "'Tammie'[sic] a top Debbie Reynolds hit of decade ago ..." [1] Reynold's 45 " Tammy" lists the writers as "Livingston – Evans" [2] and ASCAP (Work ID: 50009850) lists Jay Livingston and Ray Evans (died in the 2000s). It was included in the 1957 film Tammy and the Bachelor. Since this is rather recent, it is unlikely that the song is in the public domain. The uploader ( Jason.nlw) claims that they are the copyright holder to the Hopkin version. Are there any reliable sources that support this? — Ojorojo ( talk) 18:01, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
It would be good to specify the composers of musical items, or specify when they are "traditional". For example, File:Tami - Mary Hopkin.oggis a version of Tammy by Jay Livingston and Ray Evans, made famous by Debbie Reynolds.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew3mtNZFrMY] I hope that Sain have sorted out any necessary permissions.
The data for the clips was scraped from the SAIN website (with their permission), but the data you see on Commons is all we could access ... Unfortunately i dont really have any more time to spend on this project.
OK, I will ask about the license template on the OTRS notice board. As for the issue with copyright, i am happy to contact SAIN Records and ask about the rights, although i believe the OTRS team spoke with them directly before accepting the proof of copyright. Best Jason.nlw ( talk) 15:50, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
@
Ojorojo,
Verbcatcher, and
Martinevans123: FIY - a large number of SAIN clips have now been
nominated for deletion following a full review of the content by SAIN RECORDS.
Jason.nlw (
talk)
15:18, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
To the dickhead who keeps changing her to a 'british Welsh singer', knock it off. Mary Hopkin, from Wales, is a Welsh singer. 2601:183:4601:3480:EC83:1F7E:A295:5AE2 ( talk) 16:13, 12 January 2024 (UTC)