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The result of the move request was: not moved. I don't see a strong enough consensus to move away from the current title in the below discussion. I would strongly advise all interested parties to take several months before trying a new move request, though as a non-admin I won't go so far as to set a moratorium. Calidum Talk To Me 02:29, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Madonna (entertainer) → Madonna (singer) – Even though she has appeared in several films, Madonna is undeniably best-known as a singer. In Google Books, for example, the term " Madonna singer" pulls up 812 results while " Madonna actress" only pulls up 38 hits. " Madonna entertainer" finds 455 results, although it would appear that this is only because much of the material is sourced by this poorly-titled Wikipedia article. Several articles have been renamed replacing their former "(entertainer)" disambiguators, and given her international success for her music, it seems fitting that Madonna be disambiguated with this specific term. The titling of this article is clearly a controversial topic, although I hope that simply modifying the disambiguator will be a better option than the current naming. Relisted. Jenks24 ( talk) 12:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC) WikiRedactor ( talk) 18:15, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
TWENTY!!! That's pretty good for a "singer" -- В²C ☎ 22:52, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
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Rarely the case in reality? Let's just look at actual examples at WP title reality at WP:RM, marking those where judging concision solely by counting characters works with a green check mark, skipping those involving disambiguation or descriptive titles, and a red X for where this fails.
In each of these we can determine which of the two choices is more concise (or if there is a concision tie) simply by counting the characters. That doesn't mean we should prefer the more concise choice in each case, of course. It just means that the concision criterion favors the shorter one. But, of course, the other criteria have to be considered as well. That point I'm making here is that situations are hardly rare on WP; they are the norm. -- В²C ☎ 06:28, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
I propose that this off-topic discussion about conciseness in article titles in general be moved to Wikipedia talk:Article titles. — 174.141.182.82 ( talk) 01:17, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
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I’d like to propose an alternative that should satisfy all concerned parties, sufficiently disambiguating the title while covering all aspects of the subject:
Madonna (entertainer) → Madonna (Madonna)
If anyone wishes to oppose, I would ask that you first click the link at the beginning of this proposal. — 174.141.182.82 ( talk) 03:08, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
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I have a source that proves that madonna has sold 400 million albums! 2.222.89.173 ( talk) 17:06, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be /tʃɪˈkoʊni/ in English as opposed to /tʃɪˈkoʊneɪ/ in Italian? If I remember well, Madonna pronounces her last name /tʃɪˈkoʊni/. Israell ( talk) 12:27, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Accordingly to Wikipedia guidelines described in MOS:BIO, a person's legal name should be listed first, shortly followed by their stage name (which can be a mononym).
I suggest the lead says: "Madonna Louise Ciccone (/tʃɪˈkoʊneɪ/) (born August 16, 1958), known by her mononym Madonna, is an American singer-songwriter, actress, and businesswoman."
It's the guideline followed by several articles including these: Beyoncé, Drake, Rihanna, Ciara, Kesha, Pharrell Williams, Gillette, LeToya Luckett, Brandy Norwood, Monica, Fantasia Barrino, Jenifer, Jacynthe, Mitsou, Alizée & Prince. There is no reason why Madonna's article would follow a different guideline. Israell ( talk) 19:14, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
So it is for several of the artists I've mentioned above who go by their first name. It's not a question of redundancy but guideline and style as shown in Britannica: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/355916/Madonna . Israell ( talk) 08:46, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
I find it more helpful to include "known by the mononym..." since it explains why we refer to the mononymous person throughout the article by one name that isn't their surname. – Chase ( talk / contribs) 23:43, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
In the genre field, rock is mentioned, why? Where exactly does it come from? It has no source. I looked at every album of hers, and rock is never mentioned as a full or main genre at all. Dance-pop is the most common and mentioed genre in Madonnas discography, yet its not added.
Rock should be removed and dance-pop should be added. These albums are all sourcered as dance-pop albums:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna_%28Madonna_album%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Like_a_Virgin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Blue_%28Madonna_album%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotica_%28Madonna_album%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_%28Madonna_album%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_on_a_Dance_Floor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Candy_%28Madonna_album%29
While reviewing Like a Prayer album from 1989, Billboard magazine described Madonna and her musical career since her debut as dance-pop; "By early 1989, the world had come to know Madonna as a dance-pop provocateur with quirky-sexy style."
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http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/8000/best-selling-female-recording-artist Guinness World Records is explain: Madonna has sold more than 300 million albums. But you don't accept. Why? Guinness World Records is a reliable and official source. I writing this on Madonna(entertainer) but you to remove. Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navyiconer ( talk • contribs) 15:14, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Not trying to WP:SYNTHESIS, let's analyze Madonna's album sales based on various sources (see Madonna albums discography or their respective album articles):
Total:215 million albums. Some of these sales estimations (such as Music and Confessions) are already inflated enough. Even if we counted all her minor releases' sales (EP, remix, boxsets) are as high as 5 million, her album sales would be roughly 220 million, which are still far away from 300 million. Bluesatellite ( talk) 23:25, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Madonna 10 million Like A Virgin 21 million True Blue 25 million Like A Prayer 15 million Erotica 6 million Bedtime Stories 7 million Ray of Light 20 million Music 15 million American Life 5 million Confessions On A Dance Floor 12 million Hard Candy 4 million MDNA 2 million Who's That Girl 5 million I'm Breathless 7 million Evita 11 million You Can Dance 5 million The Immaculate Collection 30 million Something To Remember 10 million GHV2 7 million Celebration 4 million The Confessions Tour +1 million TOTAL= 222 million (only 21 albums studio, live only 1 album, compilation and soundtracks albums) Madonna's albums = 60 albums (studio albums 12, live albums 4, Compilation albums 6, EPs 11, soundtracks 3, remix 3, box sets 21) 21 albums = 222 million 39 albums=78 million TOTAL = 300 million albums sold — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navyiconer ( talk • contribs) 11:40, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
and okey Madonna has sold 222 million albums. Madonna has sold 78 million singles? no this is impossible Madonna is the most succesful single artist. Source: meditraffic http://www.mediatraffic.de/top-track-achievements.htm Be logical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navyiconer ( talk • contribs) 11:48, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navyiconer ( talk • contribs) 14:00, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
While it's very unlikely Madonna's album sales stand at 300 million, it is safe to say her total record sales would be over 300 million. She is credited with 115 million single sales by 2008 (So they are probably higher now) and let's say approx. 200 million album sales which brings her overall record sales to more than 300 million — Preceding
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Harpers Bazaar magazine made a list of 25 female's who 'changed the face of feminism' and Madonna was included in it. Suggesting that a brief mention of this should be added to her 2013- present section? or the Legacy?
http://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/famous-feminists-throughout-history?src=spr_FBPAGE&spr_id=1447_97840120#slide-17 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.197.2 ( talk) 18:40, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
How come "(entertainer)" and not "(musician)"?
This seems very weird and disrespecting. 5.102.234.238 ( talk) 09:44, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Madonna has been named as The World’s Richest Recording Artist by Wealth-X. According the the site Madonna has a net worth of $800 million, $140 ahead of Paul Mcartney who is in second place.
This should be used to update her Net worth statistics & also a mention of her as The World’s Richest Recording Artist according to Wealth-x in the 2013- section?
http://www.wealthx.com/articles/2014/wealth-x-reveals-the-worlds-richest-recording-artists/
http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6334796/madonna-paul-mccartney-worlds-richest-list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.43.247 ( talk) 19:49, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
With Madonna covering the December edition of Interview Magazine she caused controversy around the globe for pictures with showed her exposing her breasts. Such controversy has resulted in Madonna landing front page headline's on numerous newspapers. Furthermore, she has been applauded for what is seen as 'Triumph for women her age' & breaking the social norms. [1]
Additionally, in late November 2014 two of her new demo's for songs believed to be called "Rebel Heart" & "Wash All Over Me" have been leaked, or at east surfaced, on to the internet. This too has been widely reported and surely should be mentioned under the upcoming album section of the wiki page???
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Rude much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.43.247 ( talk) 21:35, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
The latest addition of the Guinness Book of World Records says that Madonna earned more money in 2012 than any other female recording artist in history. Shouldn't this be included in the article, possibly in the intro? [1] 172.56.33.5 ( talk) 09:26, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Music/9901/19/madonna.lkl/ In an interview, in 1999, with Larry King Madonna said she became a vegetarian because of her older brother, Anthony. She was vegetarian since 15, until 40? so for 25 years.
And according to NYMAG in 2013, http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/07/madonnas-diet-is-the-hardest-i-have-ever-tried.html Regarding her diet: "Madonna follows a very strict macrobiotic diet that abolishes the consumption of wheat, eggs, meats, and dairy, and extolls the benefits of something called “sea vegetables.”" which would be considered vegan.
And according to a 2001 article she didn't consider her self vegetarian as she hunted and ate what she hunted, since her husband at the time Guy Ritchie was a fisher and hunter. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1711494.stm
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2007/apr/29/foodanddrink1 The guardian notes her on-again-off-again vegetarianism.
Anyone going to add this? Dairyfarmer777 ( talk) 03:55, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
the article says "Madonna is dedicated to Kabbalah, and in 2004, she adopted the name Esther which in Persian means "star"." it doesn't mean star in Persian. (it may have been drived from a Persian word that means star: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_(given_name) ) also, the book that was referenced here says "... which in Hebrew means "star"." https://books.google.com/books?id=fPaWGKupylAC&pg=PA72&lpg=PA72&dq=I%27ll+Take+You+There:+Pop+Music+and+the+Urge+for+Transcendence+madonna+esther&source=bl&ots=zZhRn_0S2i&sig=TZxdh7XSS_0wcagzGDWhhbOw0s4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5SmjVIrHEcP9yQS__IGgAw&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=I'll%20Take%20You%20There%3A%20Pop%20Music%20and%20the%20Urge%20for%20Transcendence%20madonna%20esther&f=false Arfsp ( talk) 22:49, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone
Can we use her full name? Thanks.... Seth :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pghseth ( talk • contribs) 01:53, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
The Infobox as well as the 'Life and career' section do mention that information. Israell ( talk) 19:55, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Why does it only list Carlos Leon? Is he more legitimate because he sired Lourdes? Seems very... biologically driven. Warren Beatty was pretty key at one point in her life, they collaborated on a movie together, why doesn't he get to be listed there?-- 100.2.222.99 ( talk) 02:30, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Her surname has been posted in her album booklets for songwriting credits. Sure, her surname is not frequently used, especially by secondary sources, but that doesn't make it "obscure", does it? -- George Ho ( talk) 17:18, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Could someone start one? I'd like to see this as a featured article again. The nomination link above, by the way, doesn't link to the reasons why this article was delisted as an FA.-- 108.30.35.45 ( talk) 02:28, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
"Dancer" is already listed as one of her professions in the info box at the right of the page, so I added it to the first sentence in the lede. Madonna started as a dancer, and in interviews she has notes that it is her "foundation." Though she is most famous as a singer, her background in dance is of particular pertinence because she is primarily a singer within the genre of "dance music." I believe she is the most successful act in the history of dance music, with some unheard-of number of #1's in that genre, something like 30 #1 Dance singles. Skatefan2014 ( talk) 02:09, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
I don't think "widely known" is the criterion. I think factual accuracy is. Simply put, she was a professional dancer, and continues to be a dancer. Incidentally: http://m.billboard.com/entry/view/id/116366 Skatefan2014 ( talk) 01:59, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Is this notable? It's been added 3 times by two different editors an removed 3 times by two different editors - including me. If there is consensus that it is encyclopedic then I am happy for it to remain. Cheers. -- Richhoncho ( talk) 14:05, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Madonna's net worth is now $800m according to http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/singers/madonna-net-worth/ BurtDakarax ( talk) 06:26, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
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Madonna Louise Ciccone was born to a Catholic family in Bay City, Michigan, on August 16, 1958. She is the eldest daughter of Silvio Anthony "Tony" Ciccone and Madonna Louise Fortin (c. 1933 – December 1, 1963).[3] Her father's parents were immigrants from Pacentro, Italy, while her mother was of French-Canadian ancestry.[4]
Madonna Louise Ciccone was born to a Catholic family in Bay City, Michigan, on August 16, 1958. She is the eldest daughter of Silvio Anthony "Tony" Ciccone (Italian pr.: tʃɪk’kɔnɛ; born 1931) and Madonna Louise Fortin (c. 1933 – December 1, 1963).[3] Her father's parents were immigrants from Pacentro, Italy, while her mother was of French-Canadian ancestry.[4]
Please add Italian pronunciation (tʃɪk’kɔnɛ), which differs from the English one, and Tony Ciccone's year of birth (born 1931), thanks. 89.184.104.3 ( talk) 14:08, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
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There needs to be a period instead of a comma after the phrase "unconventional behavior".
Original text: She was known for her high grade point average, and achieved notoriety for her unconventional behavior, she would perform cartwheels and handstands in the hallways between classes, dangle by her knees from the monkey bars during recess, and pull up her skirt during class—all so that the boys could see her underwear.
New text: She was known for her high grade point average, and achieved notoriety for her unconventional behavior.
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"Madonna turned to her paternal grandmother in the hope of finding some solace and some form of her mother in her" shouldn't be changed into "Madonna turned to her maternal grandmother in the hope of finding some solace and some form of her mother in her"? Madonna spent time with her mother's mother in Bay City, didn't she? I think "paternal" is wrong. Saxkite ( talk) 08:18, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
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Paternal should be changed because Madonna used to spend her summers at her maternal grandmother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saxkite ( talk • contribs) 15:53, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
This is the link talking about her maternal grandmother: http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2011/03/visitation_today_in_bay_city_f.html In particular "Fortin was reportedly very close with Madonna — one of Fortin’s 36 grandchildren — having partially raised her since the death of Madonna’s mother in 1963. As a child, Madonna spent weeks at a time with Fortin during the summer months and, as an adult, came back to Bay City from time to time to visit." Anyway, how could Madonna find some form of her mother in her paternal grandmother? I do not think it is logical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saxkite ( talk • contribs) 16:51, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
-The Rebel Heart section can be updated with reference to its US or/and its worldwide charting position -Musical genre's and Theme section needs Rebel Heart added- it being a pop/dance record with influences of house, trap and reggae merged with acoustic guitar (according to the Rebel Heart album wiki page) -the Achievements section needs to be updated.. Madonna now has 157 number ones across billboard and 44 on the Dance Chart — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.223.206.190 ( talk) 23:07, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. I don't see a strong enough consensus to move away from the current title in the below discussion. I would strongly advise all interested parties to take several months before trying a new move request, though as a non-admin I won't go so far as to set a moratorium. Calidum Talk To Me 02:29, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Madonna (entertainer) → Madonna (singer) – Even though she has appeared in several films, Madonna is undeniably best-known as a singer. In Google Books, for example, the term " Madonna singer" pulls up 812 results while " Madonna actress" only pulls up 38 hits. " Madonna entertainer" finds 455 results, although it would appear that this is only because much of the material is sourced by this poorly-titled Wikipedia article. Several articles have been renamed replacing their former "(entertainer)" disambiguators, and given her international success for her music, it seems fitting that Madonna be disambiguated with this specific term. The titling of this article is clearly a controversial topic, although I hope that simply modifying the disambiguator will be a better option than the current naming. Relisted. Jenks24 ( talk) 12:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC) WikiRedactor ( talk) 18:15, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
TWENTY!!! That's pretty good for a "singer" -- В²C ☎ 22:52, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
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Rarely the case in reality? Let's just look at actual examples at WP title reality at WP:RM, marking those where judging concision solely by counting characters works with a green check mark, skipping those involving disambiguation or descriptive titles, and a red X for where this fails.
In each of these we can determine which of the two choices is more concise (or if there is a concision tie) simply by counting the characters. That doesn't mean we should prefer the more concise choice in each case, of course. It just means that the concision criterion favors the shorter one. But, of course, the other criteria have to be considered as well. That point I'm making here is that situations are hardly rare on WP; they are the norm. -- В²C ☎ 06:28, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
I propose that this off-topic discussion about conciseness in article titles in general be moved to Wikipedia talk:Article titles. — 174.141.182.82 ( talk) 01:17, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
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I’d like to propose an alternative that should satisfy all concerned parties, sufficiently disambiguating the title while covering all aspects of the subject:
Madonna (entertainer) → Madonna (Madonna)
If anyone wishes to oppose, I would ask that you first click the link at the beginning of this proposal. — 174.141.182.82 ( talk) 03:08, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
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I have a source that proves that madonna has sold 400 million albums! 2.222.89.173 ( talk) 17:06, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be /tʃɪˈkoʊni/ in English as opposed to /tʃɪˈkoʊneɪ/ in Italian? If I remember well, Madonna pronounces her last name /tʃɪˈkoʊni/. Israell ( talk) 12:27, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Accordingly to Wikipedia guidelines described in MOS:BIO, a person's legal name should be listed first, shortly followed by their stage name (which can be a mononym).
I suggest the lead says: "Madonna Louise Ciccone (/tʃɪˈkoʊneɪ/) (born August 16, 1958), known by her mononym Madonna, is an American singer-songwriter, actress, and businesswoman."
It's the guideline followed by several articles including these: Beyoncé, Drake, Rihanna, Ciara, Kesha, Pharrell Williams, Gillette, LeToya Luckett, Brandy Norwood, Monica, Fantasia Barrino, Jenifer, Jacynthe, Mitsou, Alizée & Prince. There is no reason why Madonna's article would follow a different guideline. Israell ( talk) 19:14, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
So it is for several of the artists I've mentioned above who go by their first name. It's not a question of redundancy but guideline and style as shown in Britannica: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/355916/Madonna . Israell ( talk) 08:46, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
I find it more helpful to include "known by the mononym..." since it explains why we refer to the mononymous person throughout the article by one name that isn't their surname. – Chase ( talk / contribs) 23:43, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
In the genre field, rock is mentioned, why? Where exactly does it come from? It has no source. I looked at every album of hers, and rock is never mentioned as a full or main genre at all. Dance-pop is the most common and mentioed genre in Madonnas discography, yet its not added.
Rock should be removed and dance-pop should be added. These albums are all sourcered as dance-pop albums:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna_%28Madonna_album%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Like_a_Virgin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Blue_%28Madonna_album%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotica_%28Madonna_album%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_%28Madonna_album%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_on_a_Dance_Floor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Candy_%28Madonna_album%29
While reviewing Like a Prayer album from 1989, Billboard magazine described Madonna and her musical career since her debut as dance-pop; "By early 1989, the world had come to know Madonna as a dance-pop provocateur with quirky-sexy style."
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.154.101.151 ( talk) 10:07, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/8000/best-selling-female-recording-artist Guinness World Records is explain: Madonna has sold more than 300 million albums. But you don't accept. Why? Guinness World Records is a reliable and official source. I writing this on Madonna(entertainer) but you to remove. Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navyiconer ( talk • contribs) 15:14, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Not trying to WP:SYNTHESIS, let's analyze Madonna's album sales based on various sources (see Madonna albums discography or their respective album articles):
Total:215 million albums. Some of these sales estimations (such as Music and Confessions) are already inflated enough. Even if we counted all her minor releases' sales (EP, remix, boxsets) are as high as 5 million, her album sales would be roughly 220 million, which are still far away from 300 million. Bluesatellite ( talk) 23:25, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Madonna 10 million Like A Virgin 21 million True Blue 25 million Like A Prayer 15 million Erotica 6 million Bedtime Stories 7 million Ray of Light 20 million Music 15 million American Life 5 million Confessions On A Dance Floor 12 million Hard Candy 4 million MDNA 2 million Who's That Girl 5 million I'm Breathless 7 million Evita 11 million You Can Dance 5 million The Immaculate Collection 30 million Something To Remember 10 million GHV2 7 million Celebration 4 million The Confessions Tour +1 million TOTAL= 222 million (only 21 albums studio, live only 1 album, compilation and soundtracks albums) Madonna's albums = 60 albums (studio albums 12, live albums 4, Compilation albums 6, EPs 11, soundtracks 3, remix 3, box sets 21) 21 albums = 222 million 39 albums=78 million TOTAL = 300 million albums sold — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navyiconer ( talk • contribs) 11:40, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
and okey Madonna has sold 222 million albums. Madonna has sold 78 million singles? no this is impossible Madonna is the most succesful single artist. Source: meditraffic http://www.mediatraffic.de/top-track-achievements.htm Be logical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navyiconer ( talk • contribs) 11:48, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navyiconer ( talk • contribs) 14:00, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
While it's very unlikely Madonna's album sales stand at 300 million, it is safe to say her total record sales would be over 300 million. She is credited with 115 million single sales by 2008 (So they are probably higher now) and let's say approx. 200 million album sales which brings her overall record sales to more than 300 million — Preceding
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Harpers Bazaar magazine made a list of 25 female's who 'changed the face of feminism' and Madonna was included in it. Suggesting that a brief mention of this should be added to her 2013- present section? or the Legacy?
http://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/famous-feminists-throughout-history?src=spr_FBPAGE&spr_id=1447_97840120#slide-17 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.197.2 ( talk) 18:40, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
How come "(entertainer)" and not "(musician)"?
This seems very weird and disrespecting. 5.102.234.238 ( talk) 09:44, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Madonna has been named as The World’s Richest Recording Artist by Wealth-X. According the the site Madonna has a net worth of $800 million, $140 ahead of Paul Mcartney who is in second place.
This should be used to update her Net worth statistics & also a mention of her as The World’s Richest Recording Artist according to Wealth-x in the 2013- section?
http://www.wealthx.com/articles/2014/wealth-x-reveals-the-worlds-richest-recording-artists/
http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6334796/madonna-paul-mccartney-worlds-richest-list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.43.247 ( talk) 19:49, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
With Madonna covering the December edition of Interview Magazine she caused controversy around the globe for pictures with showed her exposing her breasts. Such controversy has resulted in Madonna landing front page headline's on numerous newspapers. Furthermore, she has been applauded for what is seen as 'Triumph for women her age' & breaking the social norms. [1]
Additionally, in late November 2014 two of her new demo's for songs believed to be called "Rebel Heart" & "Wash All Over Me" have been leaked, or at east surfaced, on to the internet. This too has been widely reported and surely should be mentioned under the upcoming album section of the wiki page???
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Rude much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.43.247 ( talk) 21:35, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
The latest addition of the Guinness Book of World Records says that Madonna earned more money in 2012 than any other female recording artist in history. Shouldn't this be included in the article, possibly in the intro? [1] 172.56.33.5 ( talk) 09:26, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Music/9901/19/madonna.lkl/ In an interview, in 1999, with Larry King Madonna said she became a vegetarian because of her older brother, Anthony. She was vegetarian since 15, until 40? so for 25 years.
And according to NYMAG in 2013, http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/07/madonnas-diet-is-the-hardest-i-have-ever-tried.html Regarding her diet: "Madonna follows a very strict macrobiotic diet that abolishes the consumption of wheat, eggs, meats, and dairy, and extolls the benefits of something called “sea vegetables.”" which would be considered vegan.
And according to a 2001 article she didn't consider her self vegetarian as she hunted and ate what she hunted, since her husband at the time Guy Ritchie was a fisher and hunter. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1711494.stm
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2007/apr/29/foodanddrink1 The guardian notes her on-again-off-again vegetarianism.
Anyone going to add this? Dairyfarmer777 ( talk) 03:55, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
the article says "Madonna is dedicated to Kabbalah, and in 2004, she adopted the name Esther which in Persian means "star"." it doesn't mean star in Persian. (it may have been drived from a Persian word that means star: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esther_(given_name) ) also, the book that was referenced here says "... which in Hebrew means "star"." https://books.google.com/books?id=fPaWGKupylAC&pg=PA72&lpg=PA72&dq=I%27ll+Take+You+There:+Pop+Music+and+the+Urge+for+Transcendence+madonna+esther&source=bl&ots=zZhRn_0S2i&sig=TZxdh7XSS_0wcagzGDWhhbOw0s4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5SmjVIrHEcP9yQS__IGgAw&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=I'll%20Take%20You%20There%3A%20Pop%20Music%20and%20the%20Urge%20for%20Transcendence%20madonna%20esther&f=false Arfsp ( talk) 22:49, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone
Can we use her full name? Thanks.... Seth :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pghseth ( talk • contribs) 01:53, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
The Infobox as well as the 'Life and career' section do mention that information. Israell ( talk) 19:55, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Why does it only list Carlos Leon? Is he more legitimate because he sired Lourdes? Seems very... biologically driven. Warren Beatty was pretty key at one point in her life, they collaborated on a movie together, why doesn't he get to be listed there?-- 100.2.222.99 ( talk) 02:30, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Her surname has been posted in her album booklets for songwriting credits. Sure, her surname is not frequently used, especially by secondary sources, but that doesn't make it "obscure", does it? -- George Ho ( talk) 17:18, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Could someone start one? I'd like to see this as a featured article again. The nomination link above, by the way, doesn't link to the reasons why this article was delisted as an FA.-- 108.30.35.45 ( talk) 02:28, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
"Dancer" is already listed as one of her professions in the info box at the right of the page, so I added it to the first sentence in the lede. Madonna started as a dancer, and in interviews she has notes that it is her "foundation." Though she is most famous as a singer, her background in dance is of particular pertinence because she is primarily a singer within the genre of "dance music." I believe she is the most successful act in the history of dance music, with some unheard-of number of #1's in that genre, something like 30 #1 Dance singles. Skatefan2014 ( talk) 02:09, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
I don't think "widely known" is the criterion. I think factual accuracy is. Simply put, she was a professional dancer, and continues to be a dancer. Incidentally: http://m.billboard.com/entry/view/id/116366 Skatefan2014 ( talk) 01:59, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Is this notable? It's been added 3 times by two different editors an removed 3 times by two different editors - including me. If there is consensus that it is encyclopedic then I am happy for it to remain. Cheers. -- Richhoncho ( talk) 14:05, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Madonna's net worth is now $800m according to http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/singers/madonna-net-worth/ BurtDakarax ( talk) 06:26, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
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Madonna Louise Ciccone was born to a Catholic family in Bay City, Michigan, on August 16, 1958. She is the eldest daughter of Silvio Anthony "Tony" Ciccone and Madonna Louise Fortin (c. 1933 – December 1, 1963).[3] Her father's parents were immigrants from Pacentro, Italy, while her mother was of French-Canadian ancestry.[4]
Madonna Louise Ciccone was born to a Catholic family in Bay City, Michigan, on August 16, 1958. She is the eldest daughter of Silvio Anthony "Tony" Ciccone (Italian pr.: tʃɪk’kɔnɛ; born 1931) and Madonna Louise Fortin (c. 1933 – December 1, 1963).[3] Her father's parents were immigrants from Pacentro, Italy, while her mother was of French-Canadian ancestry.[4]
Please add Italian pronunciation (tʃɪk’kɔnɛ), which differs from the English one, and Tony Ciccone's year of birth (born 1931), thanks. 89.184.104.3 ( talk) 14:08, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
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There needs to be a period instead of a comma after the phrase "unconventional behavior".
Original text: She was known for her high grade point average, and achieved notoriety for her unconventional behavior, she would perform cartwheels and handstands in the hallways between classes, dangle by her knees from the monkey bars during recess, and pull up her skirt during class—all so that the boys could see her underwear.
New text: She was known for her high grade point average, and achieved notoriety for her unconventional behavior.
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"Madonna turned to her paternal grandmother in the hope of finding some solace and some form of her mother in her" shouldn't be changed into "Madonna turned to her maternal grandmother in the hope of finding some solace and some form of her mother in her"? Madonna spent time with her mother's mother in Bay City, didn't she? I think "paternal" is wrong. Saxkite ( talk) 08:18, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
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New text:Madonna turned to her maternal grandmother in the hope of finding some solace and some form of her mother in her.
Paternal should be changed because Madonna used to spend her summers at her maternal grandmother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saxkite ( talk • contribs) 15:53, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
This is the link talking about her maternal grandmother: http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2011/03/visitation_today_in_bay_city_f.html In particular "Fortin was reportedly very close with Madonna — one of Fortin’s 36 grandchildren — having partially raised her since the death of Madonna’s mother in 1963. As a child, Madonna spent weeks at a time with Fortin during the summer months and, as an adult, came back to Bay City from time to time to visit." Anyway, how could Madonna find some form of her mother in her paternal grandmother? I do not think it is logical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saxkite ( talk • contribs) 16:51, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
-The Rebel Heart section can be updated with reference to its US or/and its worldwide charting position -Musical genre's and Theme section needs Rebel Heart added- it being a pop/dance record with influences of house, trap and reggae merged with acoustic guitar (according to the Rebel Heart album wiki page) -the Achievements section needs to be updated.. Madonna now has 157 number ones across billboard and 44 on the Dance Chart — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.223.206.190 ( talk) 23:07, 19 March 2015 (UTC)