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The link above that shows supposedly that the ship is not under US flag points to a different ship. Obvious anti-american propaganda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.62.84.122 ( talk) 16:30, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Since when has the Christian Science Monitor been a reliable source of information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.47.36.92 ( talk) 08:19, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
How are David J Silver's comments notable? They don't have a specific reference of how his he relevant (e.g. no indication he is a member of the crew), or furthermore his comments, to the specific situation? If someone can't come up with it, this would just make him a talking head.-- MartinezMD ( talk) 01:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
This is entirely untrue, dozens of ships were siezed after the second barbary war in asia and in the carribean, for one notable example see Attack on Quallah Battoo for the Freindship incident where an american flagged ship was taken in the 1830's. Or read the exploits of David Porter who led a punative expadition against carribean pirates that lasted until the 1820's. XavierGreen ( talk) 04:24, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I have found a source which lists Jean Laffite as taking an american vessel in 1823 of cuba, well after the second barbary war. http://books.google.com/books?id=q6HmmXy-wkUC&pg=PA457&dq=pirates+american+ship#PPA457,M1 page 457. There also is a referance towards an american vessel being plundered in the 1820's in the article Roberto Cofresí. XavierGreen ( talk) 06:15, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
XavierGreen ( talk) 06:19, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
[Below section merged into existing topic]
What is the source for this statement:
This is the first time in U.S. history that a pirate accused of attacks against an American ship has been captured.
I couldn't find it in either the CNN or BBC articles which are the sources for this paragraph. Thoughts? ∴ Therefore cogito· sum 19:32, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
> The crew managed to regain control of the ship from the pirates by "brute force" <
Yeah, you can wrest four AK47-wielding pirates, of course... This is laughable! A bullet fired from an AK-47 is so powerful it goes through eight (8) people stacked behind each other. Just two days ago a single american madman armed with a single AK-47 killed 3 police SWATs operators in some CONUS county, it was on the evening TV news. So dangerous is the AK-47, who would dare to resist it bare-handed?
American media please try to invent some at least barely believable cover story or admit outright that US Navy SEALs were hiding in that ship, but the clandestine plan to catch some pirates partially misfired. Wikipedia please don't be stupid to report that commerical sailors hand-wrestled AK-47s from brutal pirates, because that is factually impossible! 82.131.210.162 ( talk) 16:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
They're not mentioned at all in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.151.204.210 ( talk) 18:32, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
This article has gotten to the point where it is mostly about the events taking place after the pirates left the ship than about the ship itself. I suggest that any information taking place after the pirates leaving the ship be put into a seperate article, since the ship itself left the seen and continued its journey to kenya. XavierGreen ( talk) 18:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I unredirected it, once more details emerge this article will be swamped with events that did not happen on the Maersk Alabamam, i still say that another article is needed to distingush the two seperate events. XavierGreen ( talk) 18:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
CNN reports that 1 pirate was on board a Navy vessel negotiating for the Captain's release. When the captain jumped overboard, SEALs kill the three pirates remaining on the life boat. This accounts for the 1 pirate surviving the attack. Rklawton ( talk) 18:29, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I removed this section:
This is Washington's response to the Somalia turmoil and not the response to the capture/release of the Alabama and belongs in a different article. ∴ Therefore cogito· sum 19:07, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Vice Admiral William E. Gortney conducted the Pentagon briefing from Bahrain on April 12th. Any takers on writing an article about Gortney? I'm pretty sure general officers are notable - especially vice admirals. Rklawton ( talk) 20:27, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh, and the Admiral reported that Phillips did not initiate the rescue by jumping overboard - that there was only one escape attempt by Phillips. Rklawton ( talk) 20:29, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
What is the source for:
The Bainbridge had the life boat under tow approximately 25 meters astern at the time.
I can't find that anywhere -- no mention that the life boat was under tow at the time of the shooting in this most recent AP: [2] nor any other place. Am I to presume that this is again your reporting second hand from CNN? I think this needs to be sourced. ∴ Therefore cogito· sum 21:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I propose the following:
1. The creation of an article "Maersk Alabama Hijacking" for all of the information about the pirate attack. This way, the Maersk Alabama page can have the information about the ship itself, and just have a link with a brief description of the pirate attack. I believe it warrants its own article.
2. WITHDRAWN The creation of an article "Action of 12 April 2009" for all of the information about the US Navy actions and operation that resulted in Captain Phillips's rescue. I know that this article briefly existed, but was taken down. However, I believe that it should be recreated because it a military operation, and there is a precedent with military operations against Somali pirates, as seen
[3],
[4], and
[5].
Marshie71 (
talk) 00:17, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
we should still have a summary about the hijacking here as well - Tracer9999 ( talk) 05:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Piracy#Category_for_pirate_ships.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 04:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
The article desperately needs a section above the "2004 Detention" section giving basic details about who built the Maersk Alabama, yard number, launch and completion dates, entry into service date etc etc. Mjroots ( talk) 17:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the following sentence as irrelevant:
Phillips' family had gathered at his farmhouse in Vermont.
It seems pretty obvious that his family would be concerned, so I don't see the need to state it (unless it's to convey that he has a farmhouse in Vermont, which is not notable). - kotra ( talk) 17:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Is there any information as to why the ship was there in the first place? Was it a mission or something? 137.52.251.196 ( talk) 19:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
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The admiral said MMA has been besieged for interview requests by national news organizations in the wake of the dramatic Navy rescue of Maersk Alabama skipper Richard Phillips in the Indian Ocean on Easter.
The admiral [Richard Gurnon] said MMA has been besieged for interview requests by national news organizations in the wake of the dramatic Navy rescue of Maersk Alabama skipper Richard Phillips in the Indian Ocean on Easter.
The Maersk Alabama's captain and his second in command, Shane Murphy, studied anti-piracy tactics at the Massachusetts Maritime Academy.
<undent> So you guys know, Jessica McClure, is also a violation of WP:ONEVENT, because apparently she is only known for getting stuck in a well. How that is historic I will never know. She is in the same wagon as our captain here. Once headline news and now, just a no body. So why does she deserve and article and not say...this man? Rgood erm ote 23:28, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Oppose- The gentleman has enough notability independent of the original hijacking, that covering him seperately is warranted. Umbralcorax ( talk) 15:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
In fact, there are 3 articles about all this, Maersk Alabama hijacking basically retells the same story. Curiously, the ship was involved in some fraud scheme in 2004 so it shows notability for more than one event. Still, I believe the issue with 3 articles should be fixed, one is probably enough (this one). -- Tone 22:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Still, I believe the issue with 3 articles should be fixed, one is probably enough (this one). I have to agree; the ITN on the front page directly links to this page, and not the other page "about" the Hijacking. Didn't also the
MV Faina also directly link to the ships page rather than the a incident page?--
293.xx.xxx.xx (
talk) 22:47, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Merge proponents repeated the claim that Phillips was (1) not notable prior to the hijacking; and (2) only known for "one event". I agree he was not notable prior to the hijacking. But the "one event" claim is not really defensible.
The President of his alma mater, the Massachusetts Maritime Academy, has been quoted as saying he is (1) swamped by requests for interviews because Phillips studied there; (2) expects requests for enrollment to go way up, because Phillips studied there. I added this to the article, and someone else, possibly a merge proponent started to remove it. These are two additional separate events.
Today, an article about the book and movie deals open to those whose heroism brings them to public attention mentions both Phillips, Chesley Sullenberger, and "Octomom" Nadya Suleman. (Sullenberger recently signed a $3.2 million book deal.) Phillips's new fame, and the opportuniies it opens for him, is a separate event from the hijacking. It is material that merits coverage on the wikipedia that would be wildly inappropriate to place in the article on the hijacking.
The individual who effected this redirect has written above: "I believe that we have quite a strong consensus that the article should be merged somewhere." Excuse me, but doesn't arriving at a consensus require collegial discussion, where those involved actually read and respond to the arguments advanced by those they disagree with? Granted, more participants supported "merge" than supported discrete articles. But I suggest it is a mistake to characterize this as arriving at a consensus, when the majority simply ignored the arguments of the minority. Geo Swan ( talk) 18:53, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
According to this article, the 4th pirate was on the USS Bainbridge for the purpose of negotiating. According to the article Richard Phillips (captain), the 4th pirate was on the Bainbridge because he was seeking medical attention.
Can this discrepancy be resolved? Wanderer57 ( talk) 04:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
This article should actually be named "MV Mærsk Alabama". æ is a special letter. -- bender235 ( talk) 07:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
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Support This article should be deleted and the hijacking article left to stand. Vidor ( talk) 03:31, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
The "Oppose" people here have stated that the ship is notable but the only reason they give is about the incident, which falls under WP:ONEEVENT. nly one article is needed, two is redundant.-- 23prootie ( talk) 21:59, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I've heard people say that pirate leaders were threatening retaliation for the shootings. Are their reliable sources for this, and should it be included in the article? TastyCakes ( talk) 17:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
At last there is a news article that gives a blow by blow of the entire episode, rather than just enigmatic snatches of information: here at the WSJ. Rwflammang ( talk) 12:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Is Abdulwali Muse.
QUOTING our article:
They decided to leave the ship, and took Phillips with them to a lifeboat. The crew later used "brute force" to retake control of the ship, and overpowered one of the pirates,
IF the pirates left the ship, why was "brute force" later required to take control of the ship?
. . . .
Again QUOTING the article:
The lifeboat carried nine days of food rations.
I wonder how important this detail is. Also how accurate it is. Nine days of food rations for how many people? I understand this was a large lifeboat. Nine days of food rations for 50 people would amount to about three months worth for five people.
Thanks, Wanderer57 ( talk) 01:23, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
As far as relevance to the article I don't disagree with you. As far as accuracy... The International Maritime Organization's SOLAS convention requires all lifeboats carried by Merchant Vessels to carry 9 days of rations for each person which the lifeboat has a capacity to carry. Being a U.S. Coast Guard Certified Lifeboatman, I have tasted these rations and you can hardly call them food. They taste like cardboard and essentially just contain enough energy to sustain a human life. After munching on those things for four days the pirates probably welcomed the Navy Seals bullets to the head. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tugboat069 ( talk • contribs) 14:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
The merger had NO consensus. Those who advocate the merger have the burden of proof as per WP policy. 99.35.227.203 ( talk) 23:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
CNN reporting at 05:00 CST that the ship was attacked by Somali pirates again, this time unsuccessfully. Jparenti ( talk) 11:09, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
"...and a second, unsuccessful hijacking attempt later that year.[7]" What about the other three attacks (described in the article)? Maybe the ship is noted for the first attack and the repeated attacks? 211.225.33.104 ( talk) 01:47, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
In the section 'April 2009 attempted pirate seizure', the article implies that the ship was closer to the Somali coast than recommended. This is correct, but possibly unfair, considering that both the last port it left (Djibouti) and its destination (Mombasa), were closer to the Somali coast than this recommendation. It could have kept the recommended distance at that point, but it is debatable whether it would be reasonable to expect that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnBLambe ( talk • contribs) 01:07, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
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The link above that shows supposedly that the ship is not under US flag points to a different ship. Obvious anti-american propaganda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.62.84.122 ( talk) 16:30, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Since when has the Christian Science Monitor been a reliable source of information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.47.36.92 ( talk) 08:19, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
How are David J Silver's comments notable? They don't have a specific reference of how his he relevant (e.g. no indication he is a member of the crew), or furthermore his comments, to the specific situation? If someone can't come up with it, this would just make him a talking head.-- MartinezMD ( talk) 01:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
This is entirely untrue, dozens of ships were siezed after the second barbary war in asia and in the carribean, for one notable example see Attack on Quallah Battoo for the Freindship incident where an american flagged ship was taken in the 1830's. Or read the exploits of David Porter who led a punative expadition against carribean pirates that lasted until the 1820's. XavierGreen ( talk) 04:24, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I have found a source which lists Jean Laffite as taking an american vessel in 1823 of cuba, well after the second barbary war. http://books.google.com/books?id=q6HmmXy-wkUC&pg=PA457&dq=pirates+american+ship#PPA457,M1 page 457. There also is a referance towards an american vessel being plundered in the 1820's in the article Roberto Cofresí. XavierGreen ( talk) 06:15, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
XavierGreen ( talk) 06:19, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
[Below section merged into existing topic]
What is the source for this statement:
This is the first time in U.S. history that a pirate accused of attacks against an American ship has been captured.
I couldn't find it in either the CNN or BBC articles which are the sources for this paragraph. Thoughts? ∴ Therefore cogito· sum 19:32, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
> The crew managed to regain control of the ship from the pirates by "brute force" <
Yeah, you can wrest four AK47-wielding pirates, of course... This is laughable! A bullet fired from an AK-47 is so powerful it goes through eight (8) people stacked behind each other. Just two days ago a single american madman armed with a single AK-47 killed 3 police SWATs operators in some CONUS county, it was on the evening TV news. So dangerous is the AK-47, who would dare to resist it bare-handed?
American media please try to invent some at least barely believable cover story or admit outright that US Navy SEALs were hiding in that ship, but the clandestine plan to catch some pirates partially misfired. Wikipedia please don't be stupid to report that commerical sailors hand-wrestled AK-47s from brutal pirates, because that is factually impossible! 82.131.210.162 ( talk) 16:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
They're not mentioned at all in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.151.204.210 ( talk) 18:32, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
This article has gotten to the point where it is mostly about the events taking place after the pirates left the ship than about the ship itself. I suggest that any information taking place after the pirates leaving the ship be put into a seperate article, since the ship itself left the seen and continued its journey to kenya. XavierGreen ( talk) 18:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I unredirected it, once more details emerge this article will be swamped with events that did not happen on the Maersk Alabamam, i still say that another article is needed to distingush the two seperate events. XavierGreen ( talk) 18:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
CNN reports that 1 pirate was on board a Navy vessel negotiating for the Captain's release. When the captain jumped overboard, SEALs kill the three pirates remaining on the life boat. This accounts for the 1 pirate surviving the attack. Rklawton ( talk) 18:29, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I removed this section:
This is Washington's response to the Somalia turmoil and not the response to the capture/release of the Alabama and belongs in a different article. ∴ Therefore cogito· sum 19:07, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Vice Admiral William E. Gortney conducted the Pentagon briefing from Bahrain on April 12th. Any takers on writing an article about Gortney? I'm pretty sure general officers are notable - especially vice admirals. Rklawton ( talk) 20:27, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh, and the Admiral reported that Phillips did not initiate the rescue by jumping overboard - that there was only one escape attempt by Phillips. Rklawton ( talk) 20:29, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
What is the source for:
The Bainbridge had the life boat under tow approximately 25 meters astern at the time.
I can't find that anywhere -- no mention that the life boat was under tow at the time of the shooting in this most recent AP: [2] nor any other place. Am I to presume that this is again your reporting second hand from CNN? I think this needs to be sourced. ∴ Therefore cogito· sum 21:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I propose the following:
1. The creation of an article "Maersk Alabama Hijacking" for all of the information about the pirate attack. This way, the Maersk Alabama page can have the information about the ship itself, and just have a link with a brief description of the pirate attack. I believe it warrants its own article.
2. WITHDRAWN The creation of an article "Action of 12 April 2009" for all of the information about the US Navy actions and operation that resulted in Captain Phillips's rescue. I know that this article briefly existed, but was taken down. However, I believe that it should be recreated because it a military operation, and there is a precedent with military operations against Somali pirates, as seen
[3],
[4], and
[5].
Marshie71 (
talk) 00:17, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
we should still have a summary about the hijacking here as well - Tracer9999 ( talk) 05:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Please see Talk:Piracy#Category_for_pirate_ships.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 04:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
The article desperately needs a section above the "2004 Detention" section giving basic details about who built the Maersk Alabama, yard number, launch and completion dates, entry into service date etc etc. Mjroots ( talk) 17:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the following sentence as irrelevant:
Phillips' family had gathered at his farmhouse in Vermont.
It seems pretty obvious that his family would be concerned, so I don't see the need to state it (unless it's to convey that he has a farmhouse in Vermont, which is not notable). - kotra ( talk) 17:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Is there any information as to why the ship was there in the first place? Was it a mission or something? 137.52.251.196 ( talk) 19:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
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The admiral said MMA has been besieged for interview requests by national news organizations in the wake of the dramatic Navy rescue of Maersk Alabama skipper Richard Phillips in the Indian Ocean on Easter.
The admiral [Richard Gurnon] said MMA has been besieged for interview requests by national news organizations in the wake of the dramatic Navy rescue of Maersk Alabama skipper Richard Phillips in the Indian Ocean on Easter.
The Maersk Alabama's captain and his second in command, Shane Murphy, studied anti-piracy tactics at the Massachusetts Maritime Academy.
<undent> So you guys know, Jessica McClure, is also a violation of WP:ONEVENT, because apparently she is only known for getting stuck in a well. How that is historic I will never know. She is in the same wagon as our captain here. Once headline news and now, just a no body. So why does she deserve and article and not say...this man? Rgood erm ote 23:28, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Oppose- The gentleman has enough notability independent of the original hijacking, that covering him seperately is warranted. Umbralcorax ( talk) 15:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
In fact, there are 3 articles about all this, Maersk Alabama hijacking basically retells the same story. Curiously, the ship was involved in some fraud scheme in 2004 so it shows notability for more than one event. Still, I believe the issue with 3 articles should be fixed, one is probably enough (this one). -- Tone 22:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Still, I believe the issue with 3 articles should be fixed, one is probably enough (this one). I have to agree; the ITN on the front page directly links to this page, and not the other page "about" the Hijacking. Didn't also the
MV Faina also directly link to the ships page rather than the a incident page?--
293.xx.xxx.xx (
talk) 22:47, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Merge proponents repeated the claim that Phillips was (1) not notable prior to the hijacking; and (2) only known for "one event". I agree he was not notable prior to the hijacking. But the "one event" claim is not really defensible.
The President of his alma mater, the Massachusetts Maritime Academy, has been quoted as saying he is (1) swamped by requests for interviews because Phillips studied there; (2) expects requests for enrollment to go way up, because Phillips studied there. I added this to the article, and someone else, possibly a merge proponent started to remove it. These are two additional separate events.
Today, an article about the book and movie deals open to those whose heroism brings them to public attention mentions both Phillips, Chesley Sullenberger, and "Octomom" Nadya Suleman. (Sullenberger recently signed a $3.2 million book deal.) Phillips's new fame, and the opportuniies it opens for him, is a separate event from the hijacking. It is material that merits coverage on the wikipedia that would be wildly inappropriate to place in the article on the hijacking.
The individual who effected this redirect has written above: "I believe that we have quite a strong consensus that the article should be merged somewhere." Excuse me, but doesn't arriving at a consensus require collegial discussion, where those involved actually read and respond to the arguments advanced by those they disagree with? Granted, more participants supported "merge" than supported discrete articles. But I suggest it is a mistake to characterize this as arriving at a consensus, when the majority simply ignored the arguments of the minority. Geo Swan ( talk) 18:53, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
According to this article, the 4th pirate was on the USS Bainbridge for the purpose of negotiating. According to the article Richard Phillips (captain), the 4th pirate was on the Bainbridge because he was seeking medical attention.
Can this discrepancy be resolved? Wanderer57 ( talk) 04:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
This article should actually be named "MV Mærsk Alabama". æ is a special letter. -- bender235 ( talk) 07:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
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Support This article should be deleted and the hijacking article left to stand. Vidor ( talk) 03:31, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
The "Oppose" people here have stated that the ship is notable but the only reason they give is about the incident, which falls under WP:ONEEVENT. nly one article is needed, two is redundant.-- 23prootie ( talk) 21:59, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
I've heard people say that pirate leaders were threatening retaliation for the shootings. Are their reliable sources for this, and should it be included in the article? TastyCakes ( talk) 17:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
At last there is a news article that gives a blow by blow of the entire episode, rather than just enigmatic snatches of information: here at the WSJ. Rwflammang ( talk) 12:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Is Abdulwali Muse.
QUOTING our article:
They decided to leave the ship, and took Phillips with them to a lifeboat. The crew later used "brute force" to retake control of the ship, and overpowered one of the pirates,
IF the pirates left the ship, why was "brute force" later required to take control of the ship?
. . . .
Again QUOTING the article:
The lifeboat carried nine days of food rations.
I wonder how important this detail is. Also how accurate it is. Nine days of food rations for how many people? I understand this was a large lifeboat. Nine days of food rations for 50 people would amount to about three months worth for five people.
Thanks, Wanderer57 ( talk) 01:23, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
As far as relevance to the article I don't disagree with you. As far as accuracy... The International Maritime Organization's SOLAS convention requires all lifeboats carried by Merchant Vessels to carry 9 days of rations for each person which the lifeboat has a capacity to carry. Being a U.S. Coast Guard Certified Lifeboatman, I have tasted these rations and you can hardly call them food. They taste like cardboard and essentially just contain enough energy to sustain a human life. After munching on those things for four days the pirates probably welcomed the Navy Seals bullets to the head. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tugboat069 ( talk • contribs) 14:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
The merger had NO consensus. Those who advocate the merger have the burden of proof as per WP policy. 99.35.227.203 ( talk) 23:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
CNN reporting at 05:00 CST that the ship was attacked by Somali pirates again, this time unsuccessfully. Jparenti ( talk) 11:09, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
"...and a second, unsuccessful hijacking attempt later that year.[7]" What about the other three attacks (described in the article)? Maybe the ship is noted for the first attack and the repeated attacks? 211.225.33.104 ( talk) 01:47, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
In the section 'April 2009 attempted pirate seizure', the article implies that the ship was closer to the Somali coast than recommended. This is correct, but possibly unfair, considering that both the last port it left (Djibouti) and its destination (Mombasa), were closer to the Somali coast than this recommendation. It could have kept the recommended distance at that point, but it is debatable whether it would be reasonable to expect that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnBLambe ( talk • contribs) 01:07, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
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