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I think this article is useful and should be kept. I have one of these players and couldn't find much useful information in in English till I found this page.
I should have discussed this with some people first, but I'm probably gonna get flamed for modifying huge portions of the article, I may or may not have creased out the grammar problems, in addition, I may have caused more problems than may have fixed. Reeves 22:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, added some tags because this article needs work anyways... Reeves 20:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, added some MORE tags again, added "weasel words" tag 'cause I think this article uses too many opinions in the wording like: "some people..." "most of them are..." "generally they..." and etc. Sans Nom Reeves 23:41, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
While this article summarizes the general characteristics of all portable media players worldwide, original of fake, Chinese MP4/MTV Player focuses on Chinese-made-and-designed players; many are pirated or imitations of popular brands. A "no brainer"? Go figure. Chinese MP4/MTV Player should be expanded to include information about the labour status in China, and what causes the companies there to make fakes.-- Jw21/PenaltyKillah( discuss• edits) 16:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Didn't this page use to have some useful external links? —Preceding unsigned comment added by AresAndEnyo ( talk • contribs) 04:08, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I added the links back in if you have some you think are just spam delete them but I think MP4 Nation at least should be kept.-- AresAndEnyo 04:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Leave the MP4wiki.com link, it actually provides useful information, more so than the eBay link —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.246.182.193 ( talk) 08:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
This article seems to of regressed from wiki editing. Like why was the rockchip section deleted?-- AresAndEnyo 06:39, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
In the meantime, I will actually propose a nomination for this article to be deleted. For starters, the title "Chinese MP4 player", or its prior name, "Chinese MP4/MTV Player", isn't official, and had not been referenced on a notable publication. This article seems to include original research, questionable bias, and content that seems to be doing anything but providing an unbiased and accurate insight... instead, it's mainuplating and mislabelling a group of unnotable products for the sake of it. -- Jw 21/Penalty Killah VANucks|23-14-4 06:07, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
This article is a shame. Many MP4 are not Chinese, and MP4s from China fail miserably on notability (because it don't have much difference from non-Chinese ones). Note most of the article can be applied to most if not all media players, not only the Chinese ones. Also, there are also many cloned mp4 in other countries, not only China. SSPecter Talk| E-Mail ◆ 01:14, 8 March 2008 ( UTC).
You should also be aware that many MP4 players that use the newer chipsets are quite capable of playing .MP4 formats and much more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.152.232.27 ( talk) 10:47, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Well just to justify that MANY of these players can be called MP4 players as they almost all tend to play XVID format, which is a MPEG-4 standard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xvid If you want references to where you can find sites or publications that refer to MP4 Players, then look in Chinese sites (zol.com.cn <- Cnets China affiliate) where they have entire sections for 'MP4 Player' or any Chinese tech publication. BTW for a person so picky on citing reliable sources you must know Chinese 'ally' shop keepers aren't exactly the best source of information, most shop keepers who sell electronics in China don't know anything about the products they sell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.246.182.193 ( talk) 09:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Heh. I didn't even see this discussion, but it should be clear from the new article title that I've fixed it. :) Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 18:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
This article should be deleted, it is uninformative and the grammar is so poor that some of the sentences are almost incomprehensible. Overall it comes across like some sort of anti-Chinese propaganda article. It falls short of the standards people have come to expect froma resource like Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.205.82.51 ( talk) 17:54, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
"A majority of these players do not support the MPEG-4 video format, and are limited to proprietary formats like AMV and MTV,[1] or require conversion to those particular formats."
when I read the above sentence, I thought I was reading an article from 2004, and four years is a long long time for consumer electronics. And while I agree the term MP4 is notable (at least in China), I don't understand why none of the major (and thus very notable) MP4 brands like Aigo, Newsmy, Meizu, OPPO, etc. is mentioned, whose products come with good manuals and customer service (better than Nokia's, if we are to trust certain independent customer surveys), but some weird "i-Nickel" got a highlight. It's like talking about Chinese mobile phones but ignoring Lenovo, Amoi, Coolpad, but focusing on something called NOK1a.
If no one else gonna do it, I think I'll rewrite this whole article and make it into something that's at least readable. Ufopedia ( talk) 15:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't think an article about Chinese MP4 players is by definition anti-Chinese propaganda. What happened is that some very entrepreneurial producers in Guandong, China initially cloned Apple's iPod touch and happened to make a more useful consumer electronics product with more functionality in the process. The Chinese MP4 players are often better than the Apple product, although there are the known issues of faked memory capacity and firmaware update malfunctions on some models. When Apple marketed their MP3 player MP3 players were uncommon and Apple wanted to corner the market, so while Apple called the Chinese models "clones" disparagingly, the Chinese producers also emulated the physical form of the Apple products for reasons of consumer recognition of products. Since then there have been so many MP3 players from so many producers that the idea Apple somehow owns the idea seems preposterous, and it is. So again, the Chinese "clones" ended up being innovative, superior products and injected competition into the global market for PMP. This cannot be anti-Chinese propaganda. If anything, it's pro-Chinese. Apologies if my chronology is somewhat off, I haven't been paying close attention to the development of MP3/MP4/PMP products,but I have compared Apple products to the Chinese products, and find the latter much more user-friendly, accessible and, oddly enough, repairable. They are a superior product. Hypatea ( talk) 09:47, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
I think this article belongs to WikiProject China since it's a term most widely used, and mostly notable, in China. Ufopedia ( talk) 07:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
"MP4 player" is what most PMPs are called by people from China, whether those PMPs are made in China, of Chinese brands, or not. In fact a lot of the most famous MP4 player brands are foreign brands, for example Apple's video-capable iPods, Creative's Zen Vision series, Archos and Thompson from France, Maxian, iriver and iAudio from Korea, etc.
"MP4 player" does not equal "Chinese MP4 player", and "Chinese MP4 player" does not equal "cheapo Chinese iPod clones manufactured by private underground factories and sold abroad by pirates"
And this is an encyclopedia. Ufopedia ( talk) 14:53, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
It's encyclopedic facts that Archos Jukebox from 2002 is the first portable media player that simultaneously earned and started the "MP4 player" name, and that Newsmy ManMan A4 and iPod Touch are MP4 players.
Also the accusation of "spam links", "implied content", "misleading info" etc. are nonsense, when you go to any major sites in China like pcpop, zol, etc. those players are clearly categorized as MP4 player, no implication, nothing misleading. Ufopedia ( talk) 03:25, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
look at this link : http://www.mie168.com/marketing/2007-06/209707.htm
2002年,爱可视发布了全球第一款MP4播放器(又称PMP,便携式媒体播放器)。2003年9月,爱可视的便携式媒体播放器进入中国市场。也是在那个时候,张亚玲第一次叫出了“MP4”这个名字,从音频到视频,整个产业又一次面临着变革。
Ufopedia ( talk) 11:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
It might be worth noting that the MP4 format wasn't completely defined at the time the term for the player was coined, which I have always taken to mean that the player had video capabilities of some form, in line with the popular notion of the MP4 format at that period. Hypatea ( talk) 09:50, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Updated information on this and other (malfunctioning) mp3 players can be found here.
There is much evidence that Ebay sellers are selling many mp4 players with fraudulent capacities. If so, I think people are giving these sellers good ratings before they realize it doesn't hold as many files as they thought it would. I don't mean to imply that the faked capacity is absolutely certain or that it applies to every player/drive that claims to be 16GB or more. Maybe they are using some non-standard formatting that was screwed up when I formatted the player with Windows. But I don't think I formatted it until I couldn't copy files to it.
[Note, I've put an updated version of this at Wikinfo.]
Many self-published sources online claim that MP4 players and flash drives sold on eBay [1] have a much smaller capacity than claimed. The computer connected for transfer can be tricked into reporting the fake size. Without using the proper software to format the devices, this glitch will eventually render the player unusable. [2]
[The following I posted to Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard (since then, it was archived):]
There are numerous self-published sources online that discuss flash drives (including mp4 players) with hacked fake capacity [1]. Various software exists for checking and correcting this. I have one such mp4 player and I could put an article in my wiki summarizing all this evidence. I'm a little unclear as to whether any of these would meet Wikipedia criteria as reliable or notable sources or "original research". According to WP:V "Special cases may arise; and editors should be careful not to exclude a point of view merely because it lacks academic credentials. As a rule of thumb, the greater the degree of scrutiny involved in checking facts, analyzing legal issues, and scrutinizing the evidence and arguments of a particular work, the more reliable it is." While I've not been able to find a third-party published source for this information;
According to WP:V "Sources should directly support the information as it is presented in an article and should be appropriate to the claims made: exceptional claims require high-quality sources." Would the inverse be true; that when there is wide consensus in disinterested self-published sources, that a third-party publication is not necessary? Under Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Self-published_sources it states that "When removing or challenging a reference to a self-published source, it is best to explain how it is being used inappropriately, rather than simply point out that the source is self-published." but I don't see any guideline as to how a self-published source may be used "appropriately" unless the author has previously been published by a third-party. Lumenos ( talk) 16:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
I am missing information about these players' capability of displaying e-books. I bought a model under the Concorde label in Hungary for €50 with 2 GB Flash memory, a T-Flash slot and full USB support with no software needed. I use it every day as my "book at bedtime" and for the bus, train and park benches for plain texts downloaded from Project Gutenberg etc. True, it never seems to want to play any of the videos I keep trying (seems to only take 128 kbps), but its book function has been a real revolution for me, being an ex-pat in a far away country with far too many books already, and in no need of much else in the way of entertainment. If someone could add a section on this, it might curry--or chopsuey--a little more love for the concept. The manual in Hungarian only is an absolute disaster, even, if not especially, for fluent speakers of that language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.101.109.156 ( talk) 13:59, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
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Junk Jungle ( talk) 21:22, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
how to write program to make my mp4 player just I like the way it open and add other effect with it display. I also want to know ,it possible to open it by voice.If it possible ,how I can do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ktsan ( talk • contribs) 12:44, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
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I think this article is useful and should be kept. I have one of these players and couldn't find much useful information in in English till I found this page.
I should have discussed this with some people first, but I'm probably gonna get flamed for modifying huge portions of the article, I may or may not have creased out the grammar problems, in addition, I may have caused more problems than may have fixed. Reeves 22:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, added some tags because this article needs work anyways... Reeves 20:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, added some MORE tags again, added "weasel words" tag 'cause I think this article uses too many opinions in the wording like: "some people..." "most of them are..." "generally they..." and etc. Sans Nom Reeves 23:41, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
While this article summarizes the general characteristics of all portable media players worldwide, original of fake, Chinese MP4/MTV Player focuses on Chinese-made-and-designed players; many are pirated or imitations of popular brands. A "no brainer"? Go figure. Chinese MP4/MTV Player should be expanded to include information about the labour status in China, and what causes the companies there to make fakes.-- Jw21/PenaltyKillah( discuss• edits) 16:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Didn't this page use to have some useful external links? —Preceding unsigned comment added by AresAndEnyo ( talk • contribs) 04:08, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I added the links back in if you have some you think are just spam delete them but I think MP4 Nation at least should be kept.-- AresAndEnyo 04:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Leave the MP4wiki.com link, it actually provides useful information, more so than the eBay link —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.246.182.193 ( talk) 08:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
This article seems to of regressed from wiki editing. Like why was the rockchip section deleted?-- AresAndEnyo 06:39, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
In the meantime, I will actually propose a nomination for this article to be deleted. For starters, the title "Chinese MP4 player", or its prior name, "Chinese MP4/MTV Player", isn't official, and had not been referenced on a notable publication. This article seems to include original research, questionable bias, and content that seems to be doing anything but providing an unbiased and accurate insight... instead, it's mainuplating and mislabelling a group of unnotable products for the sake of it. -- Jw 21/Penalty Killah VANucks|23-14-4 06:07, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
This article is a shame. Many MP4 are not Chinese, and MP4s from China fail miserably on notability (because it don't have much difference from non-Chinese ones). Note most of the article can be applied to most if not all media players, not only the Chinese ones. Also, there are also many cloned mp4 in other countries, not only China. SSPecter Talk| E-Mail ◆ 01:14, 8 March 2008 ( UTC).
You should also be aware that many MP4 players that use the newer chipsets are quite capable of playing .MP4 formats and much more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.152.232.27 ( talk) 10:47, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Well just to justify that MANY of these players can be called MP4 players as they almost all tend to play XVID format, which is a MPEG-4 standard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xvid If you want references to where you can find sites or publications that refer to MP4 Players, then look in Chinese sites (zol.com.cn <- Cnets China affiliate) where they have entire sections for 'MP4 Player' or any Chinese tech publication. BTW for a person so picky on citing reliable sources you must know Chinese 'ally' shop keepers aren't exactly the best source of information, most shop keepers who sell electronics in China don't know anything about the products they sell. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.246.182.193 ( talk) 09:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Heh. I didn't even see this discussion, but it should be clear from the new article title that I've fixed it. :) Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 18:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
This article should be deleted, it is uninformative and the grammar is so poor that some of the sentences are almost incomprehensible. Overall it comes across like some sort of anti-Chinese propaganda article. It falls short of the standards people have come to expect froma resource like Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.205.82.51 ( talk) 17:54, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
"A majority of these players do not support the MPEG-4 video format, and are limited to proprietary formats like AMV and MTV,[1] or require conversion to those particular formats."
when I read the above sentence, I thought I was reading an article from 2004, and four years is a long long time for consumer electronics. And while I agree the term MP4 is notable (at least in China), I don't understand why none of the major (and thus very notable) MP4 brands like Aigo, Newsmy, Meizu, OPPO, etc. is mentioned, whose products come with good manuals and customer service (better than Nokia's, if we are to trust certain independent customer surveys), but some weird "i-Nickel" got a highlight. It's like talking about Chinese mobile phones but ignoring Lenovo, Amoi, Coolpad, but focusing on something called NOK1a.
If no one else gonna do it, I think I'll rewrite this whole article and make it into something that's at least readable. Ufopedia ( talk) 15:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't think an article about Chinese MP4 players is by definition anti-Chinese propaganda. What happened is that some very entrepreneurial producers in Guandong, China initially cloned Apple's iPod touch and happened to make a more useful consumer electronics product with more functionality in the process. The Chinese MP4 players are often better than the Apple product, although there are the known issues of faked memory capacity and firmaware update malfunctions on some models. When Apple marketed their MP3 player MP3 players were uncommon and Apple wanted to corner the market, so while Apple called the Chinese models "clones" disparagingly, the Chinese producers also emulated the physical form of the Apple products for reasons of consumer recognition of products. Since then there have been so many MP3 players from so many producers that the idea Apple somehow owns the idea seems preposterous, and it is. So again, the Chinese "clones" ended up being innovative, superior products and injected competition into the global market for PMP. This cannot be anti-Chinese propaganda. If anything, it's pro-Chinese. Apologies if my chronology is somewhat off, I haven't been paying close attention to the development of MP3/MP4/PMP products,but I have compared Apple products to the Chinese products, and find the latter much more user-friendly, accessible and, oddly enough, repairable. They are a superior product. Hypatea ( talk) 09:47, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
I think this article belongs to WikiProject China since it's a term most widely used, and mostly notable, in China. Ufopedia ( talk) 07:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
"MP4 player" is what most PMPs are called by people from China, whether those PMPs are made in China, of Chinese brands, or not. In fact a lot of the most famous MP4 player brands are foreign brands, for example Apple's video-capable iPods, Creative's Zen Vision series, Archos and Thompson from France, Maxian, iriver and iAudio from Korea, etc.
"MP4 player" does not equal "Chinese MP4 player", and "Chinese MP4 player" does not equal "cheapo Chinese iPod clones manufactured by private underground factories and sold abroad by pirates"
And this is an encyclopedia. Ufopedia ( talk) 14:53, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
It's encyclopedic facts that Archos Jukebox from 2002 is the first portable media player that simultaneously earned and started the "MP4 player" name, and that Newsmy ManMan A4 and iPod Touch are MP4 players.
Also the accusation of "spam links", "implied content", "misleading info" etc. are nonsense, when you go to any major sites in China like pcpop, zol, etc. those players are clearly categorized as MP4 player, no implication, nothing misleading. Ufopedia ( talk) 03:25, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
look at this link : http://www.mie168.com/marketing/2007-06/209707.htm
2002年,爱可视发布了全球第一款MP4播放器(又称PMP,便携式媒体播放器)。2003年9月,爱可视的便携式媒体播放器进入中国市场。也是在那个时候,张亚玲第一次叫出了“MP4”这个名字,从音频到视频,整个产业又一次面临着变革。
Ufopedia ( talk) 11:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
It might be worth noting that the MP4 format wasn't completely defined at the time the term for the player was coined, which I have always taken to mean that the player had video capabilities of some form, in line with the popular notion of the MP4 format at that period. Hypatea ( talk) 09:50, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Updated information on this and other (malfunctioning) mp3 players can be found here.
There is much evidence that Ebay sellers are selling many mp4 players with fraudulent capacities. If so, I think people are giving these sellers good ratings before they realize it doesn't hold as many files as they thought it would. I don't mean to imply that the faked capacity is absolutely certain or that it applies to every player/drive that claims to be 16GB or more. Maybe they are using some non-standard formatting that was screwed up when I formatted the player with Windows. But I don't think I formatted it until I couldn't copy files to it.
[Note, I've put an updated version of this at Wikinfo.]
Many self-published sources online claim that MP4 players and flash drives sold on eBay [1] have a much smaller capacity than claimed. The computer connected for transfer can be tricked into reporting the fake size. Without using the proper software to format the devices, this glitch will eventually render the player unusable. [2]
[The following I posted to Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard (since then, it was archived):]
There are numerous self-published sources online that discuss flash drives (including mp4 players) with hacked fake capacity [1]. Various software exists for checking and correcting this. I have one such mp4 player and I could put an article in my wiki summarizing all this evidence. I'm a little unclear as to whether any of these would meet Wikipedia criteria as reliable or notable sources or "original research". According to WP:V "Special cases may arise; and editors should be careful not to exclude a point of view merely because it lacks academic credentials. As a rule of thumb, the greater the degree of scrutiny involved in checking facts, analyzing legal issues, and scrutinizing the evidence and arguments of a particular work, the more reliable it is." While I've not been able to find a third-party published source for this information;
According to WP:V "Sources should directly support the information as it is presented in an article and should be appropriate to the claims made: exceptional claims require high-quality sources." Would the inverse be true; that when there is wide consensus in disinterested self-published sources, that a third-party publication is not necessary? Under Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Self-published_sources it states that "When removing or challenging a reference to a self-published source, it is best to explain how it is being used inappropriately, rather than simply point out that the source is self-published." but I don't see any guideline as to how a self-published source may be used "appropriately" unless the author has previously been published by a third-party. Lumenos ( talk) 16:02, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
I am missing information about these players' capability of displaying e-books. I bought a model under the Concorde label in Hungary for €50 with 2 GB Flash memory, a T-Flash slot and full USB support with no software needed. I use it every day as my "book at bedtime" and for the bus, train and park benches for plain texts downloaded from Project Gutenberg etc. True, it never seems to want to play any of the videos I keep trying (seems to only take 128 kbps), but its book function has been a real revolution for me, being an ex-pat in a far away country with far too many books already, and in no need of much else in the way of entertainment. If someone could add a section on this, it might curry--or chopsuey--a little more love for the concept. The manual in Hungarian only is an absolute disaster, even, if not especially, for fluent speakers of that language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.101.109.156 ( talk) 13:59, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
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Junk Jungle ( talk) 21:22, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
how to write program to make my mp4 player just I like the way it open and add other effect with it display. I also want to know ,it possible to open it by voice.If it possible ,how I can do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ktsan ( talk • contribs) 12:44, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
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