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The name of the Philippine main island came from the Japanese word "Luzon". citation needed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wtmitchell ( talk • contribs)
I was startled to see this diff pop up on my watchlist. I apparently did add that and forget to sign it. The edit summary said "Needs a cite". It's since been removed but, having seen it pop up, I dug around and found Keat Gin Ooi (2004). Southeast Asia: a historical encyclopedia, from Angkor Wat to East Timor. ABC-CLIO. pp. 798. ISBN 9781576077702., which says that the name comes from the Tagalog word lusong, referring to a wooden mortar used to pound rice, that the Chinese used to call the island Liusung, that when the Europeans put it on the map the name became Luconia, and that the hard c got changed to a z at some point to approximate the original Tagalog word. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
It is also a Kapampangan term, and there are many instances where some tagalog words are infact from the Kapampangan language, and vice versa.-- 70.134.77.134 ( talk) 09:37, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
See History of Luzon. Arius1998 ( talk) 05:22, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
The name "Luzon" is a Spanish surname. It seems possible that if the early Portuguese explorers mapped it as "Luçonia" or "Luçon", then the Spanish changed the letter "c" to "z" giving it its present name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.41.74.197 ( talk) 15:09, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
The malay name of Luzon is Selurong. Kasumi-genx ( talk)
Lusones- named by Spaniards after an ancient northern tribe.-- Jondel 07:46, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
The above mentioned assumption by the user Jondel is very improbable.Due to the fact, that the Spanish named the island " Nueva Castilla" 15:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
New updates: Luzon may have been known to the Portuguese as the ' first European explorers recorded it in their charts as Luçonia or Luçon '. It is known in history books but the maps were mostprobably made by them.--
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The name "Luzon" is a Spanish surname. It seems possible that if the early Portuguese explorers mapped it as "Luçonia" or "Luçon", then the Spanish changed the letter "c" to "z" giving it its present name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.41.74.197 ( talk) 15:09, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
The Chronicles of the Ming Dynasty talk about a kingdom in Luzon (吕宋国) paying levis to the Chinese Emperor.-- Arnis birada (Source: http://www.lib.kobe-u.ac.jp/directory/sumita/5A-161/index.html ) 15:23, 25 June 2010 (UTC) This goes together with the precolonial Portuguese name "Luçonia". 15:33, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I also found: "Luzon stemmed from the Tagalog word Kalusunan which means the northern most part. True to its name, the island group of Luzon is in the northern most part of the archipelago; it comprises of Luzon Island itself, the islands of Batanes, Babuyan, Romblon, Masbate, Catanduanes, Marinduque, Mindoro, and Palawan. - See more at: http://ffemagazine.com/philippine-geography-description-of-luzon-visayas-and-mindanao/#sthash.4FcVPPM8.dpuf " Jidanni ( talk) 23:00, 27 November 2015 (UTC) although FFemagzine publish an article about kalusunan, but the word itself "kalusunan" does not exist within the Filipino Language, if it came from lusong, this would mean "to move forward". and Filipinos never call Luzon as Kalusunan, it will always be Luzon, because the whole island of Luzon was inhabited by different speaking individuals, including katagalugan, kapampangan, kabikulan, and ilocandia which prevent the ancient civilization to name the whole single island at all. it will always be Luzon and not Kalusunan
"Aeta" and "Agta" are two spellings of the same name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MD1937 ( talk • contribs) 02:27, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
It would be nice be have a map showing the main cities of the island. Thanks! Nicolas1981 ( talk) 02:21, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I just edited the Administrative divisions section, hoping to improve the wording there. That raised some questions about its content.
I recently demonstrated that the "Chinese governor of Luzon" is a myth originating from mistakes made by Western historians more than a century ago. The myth has been widely repeated in English-language secondary sources (including the many cited below) and has lately also been embraced and embellished in China, but this should not detract from the fact that it has no basis whatsoever in premodern Chinese sources. Please see my essay "Ko Ch'a-lao/Xu Chailao: A Mythical Ming Chinese Governor of Luzon" - Shao-yun Yang 2605:A000:1117:E2EB:6DC0:EE84:32EE:B8 ( talk) 01:06, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
The Yongle Emperor instituted a Chinese Governor on Luzon during Zheng He's voyages and appointed Ko Ch'a-lao to that position in 1405. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40]
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Kasumi-genx ( talk) The Problem is Luzon is a misnomer, it might be only a part of it. Kasumi-genx ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:40, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
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@ Rene Bascos Sarabia Jr.: If you add the Sama-Bajau as an ethnic group of Luzon (in the island group sense), you will also have to add the Cuyonon, Tagbanwa, Palawano, Batak, Tau't Batu, and Tausug on Palawan, and all Mangyan groups on Mindoro. Is this really within the scope of this article? Philippine ethnographers and linguists rarely treat Palawan and Mindoro as 'satellites' of Luzon. – Austronesier ( talk) 16:23, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
Magsaliksik SA mga tradition at kultura Ng mga Luzon? Script 103.171.89.86 ( talk) 12:40, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
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The name of the Philippine main island came from the Japanese word "Luzon". citation needed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wtmitchell ( talk • contribs)
I was startled to see this diff pop up on my watchlist. I apparently did add that and forget to sign it. The edit summary said "Needs a cite". It's since been removed but, having seen it pop up, I dug around and found Keat Gin Ooi (2004). Southeast Asia: a historical encyclopedia, from Angkor Wat to East Timor. ABC-CLIO. pp. 798. ISBN 9781576077702., which says that the name comes from the Tagalog word lusong, referring to a wooden mortar used to pound rice, that the Chinese used to call the island Liusung, that when the Europeans put it on the map the name became Luconia, and that the hard c got changed to a z at some point to approximate the original Tagalog word. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
It is also a Kapampangan term, and there are many instances where some tagalog words are infact from the Kapampangan language, and vice versa.-- 70.134.77.134 ( talk) 09:37, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
See History of Luzon. Arius1998 ( talk) 05:22, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
The name "Luzon" is a Spanish surname. It seems possible that if the early Portuguese explorers mapped it as "Luçonia" or "Luçon", then the Spanish changed the letter "c" to "z" giving it its present name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.41.74.197 ( talk) 15:09, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
The malay name of Luzon is Selurong. Kasumi-genx ( talk)
Lusones- named by Spaniards after an ancient northern tribe.-- Jondel 07:46, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
The above mentioned assumption by the user Jondel is very improbable.Due to the fact, that the Spanish named the island " Nueva Castilla" 15:31, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
New updates: Luzon may have been known to the Portuguese as the ' first European explorers recorded it in their charts as Luçonia or Luçon '. It is known in history books but the maps were mostprobably made by them.--
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The name "Luzon" is a Spanish surname. It seems possible that if the early Portuguese explorers mapped it as "Luçonia" or "Luçon", then the Spanish changed the letter "c" to "z" giving it its present name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.41.74.197 ( talk) 15:09, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
The Chronicles of the Ming Dynasty talk about a kingdom in Luzon (吕宋国) paying levis to the Chinese Emperor.-- Arnis birada (Source: http://www.lib.kobe-u.ac.jp/directory/sumita/5A-161/index.html ) 15:23, 25 June 2010 (UTC) This goes together with the precolonial Portuguese name "Luçonia". 15:33, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
I also found: "Luzon stemmed from the Tagalog word Kalusunan which means the northern most part. True to its name, the island group of Luzon is in the northern most part of the archipelago; it comprises of Luzon Island itself, the islands of Batanes, Babuyan, Romblon, Masbate, Catanduanes, Marinduque, Mindoro, and Palawan. - See more at: http://ffemagazine.com/philippine-geography-description-of-luzon-visayas-and-mindanao/#sthash.4FcVPPM8.dpuf " Jidanni ( talk) 23:00, 27 November 2015 (UTC) although FFemagzine publish an article about kalusunan, but the word itself "kalusunan" does not exist within the Filipino Language, if it came from lusong, this would mean "to move forward". and Filipinos never call Luzon as Kalusunan, it will always be Luzon, because the whole island of Luzon was inhabited by different speaking individuals, including katagalugan, kapampangan, kabikulan, and ilocandia which prevent the ancient civilization to name the whole single island at all. it will always be Luzon and not Kalusunan
"Aeta" and "Agta" are two spellings of the same name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MD1937 ( talk • contribs) 02:27, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
It would be nice be have a map showing the main cities of the island. Thanks! Nicolas1981 ( talk) 02:21, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I just edited the Administrative divisions section, hoping to improve the wording there. That raised some questions about its content.
I recently demonstrated that the "Chinese governor of Luzon" is a myth originating from mistakes made by Western historians more than a century ago. The myth has been widely repeated in English-language secondary sources (including the many cited below) and has lately also been embraced and embellished in China, but this should not detract from the fact that it has no basis whatsoever in premodern Chinese sources. Please see my essay "Ko Ch'a-lao/Xu Chailao: A Mythical Ming Chinese Governor of Luzon" - Shao-yun Yang 2605:A000:1117:E2EB:6DC0:EE84:32EE:B8 ( talk) 01:06, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
The Yongle Emperor instituted a Chinese Governor on Luzon during Zheng He's voyages and appointed Ko Ch'a-lao to that position in 1405. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] [27] [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40]
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help)Rajmaan ( talk) 18:08, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Kasumi-genx ( talk) The Problem is Luzon is a misnomer, it might be only a part of it. Kasumi-genx ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:40, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
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Google maps has renamed this island "Kalusunan",
So it would be only proper to retitle and redirect this article.
Or is Google crazy?! Jidanni ( talk) 22:21, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
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There appears to be some factual disagreement between this article and an article I recently came across in the new page queue, Battle of Manila (1405). I'd appreciate it if someone with more knowledge of Philippine history than me could take a look. I'm not watching this page, ping me if you want me to respond signed, Rosguill talk 19:02, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Luzon's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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@ Rene Bascos Sarabia Jr.: If you add the Sama-Bajau as an ethnic group of Luzon (in the island group sense), you will also have to add the Cuyonon, Tagbanwa, Palawano, Batak, Tau't Batu, and Tausug on Palawan, and all Mangyan groups on Mindoro. Is this really within the scope of this article? Philippine ethnographers and linguists rarely treat Palawan and Mindoro as 'satellites' of Luzon. – Austronesier ( talk) 16:23, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
Magsaliksik SA mga tradition at kultura Ng mga Luzon? Script 103.171.89.86 ( talk) 12:40, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
Map at top should show whole island. Jidanni ( talk) 08:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)