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German wikipedia discussion:
Lukas Podolski hat nur die Deutsche Staatsangehörigkeit, einen polnischen Pass hat er nicht. Damit dürfte die Diskussion um eine doppelte Staatsbürgerschaft beendet sein. Andreas Stops, ans sport GmbH (Management Lukas Podolski)
abgesehen davon, dass es mir egal ist zwei punkte zum vorstehenden (nicht signiertem) beitrag von Benutzer:Stopsi; warum ist anzunehmen das du Andreas Stops vom Management Podolskis bist? und weiterer; sagt das Management immer die wahrheit? *grins* ...Sicherlich Post 14:25, 14. Jun 2006 (CEST) Gerne kannst du unter 02161/821280 anrufen. Diese Nummer steht auch auf Lukas´ Website. Für weitere Infos stehe ich gerne zur Verfügung. Wieso sollte man eine doppelte Staatsbürgerschaft leugnen? Gruß Andreas Stops
Wenn das so ist sollten wir den Artikel auch entsprechend ändern. Oder hat jemand wirklich handfeste Belege für den polnischen Pass? Diese polnische Zeitung war wohl bisher die einzige Quelle für eine doppelte Staatsangehörigkeit. Hans Schäfer 11:20, 15. Jun 2006 (CEST) In der aktuellen Ausgabe der SportBild sagt Podolski, er habe keine doppelte Staatsbürgerschaft. --BLiZz@rD 16:00, 15. Jun 2006 (CEST)
Ich habe es rausgenommen. --Streifengrasmaus 16:06, 15. Jun 2006 (CEST)
Podolski has carried Polish passport, Polish nationality and Polish citizenship because he his Polish parents and all children of Polish parents have Polish nationality and citizenship as a matter of Polish law. edit for diction and grammar, hopefully without changing meaning Radio Guy ( talk) 23:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone find any sources either way? Kingjeff 20:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Just read his Interview in the magazine SportBild from 15.June 2006. Because he has no polish passport, he could not play for the Polish national team. If you don´t believe me ask his management under 02161/821280 !
Nonsense. He was born in Poland, has Polish citizenship, passport wouldn't be a problem. Polish coach at the time chose not to call him to Polish national team, thus he joined German team. That's all — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.64.13.109 ( talk) 14:31, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Maybe one tries to write this section in an objective way, providing all necessary information as well as all arguments pro and contra. For instance, it is written now that "His paternal family belongs to the German minority in Upper Silesia." But when one looks in the wiki link to the "German minority in Upper Silesia" one may infer that most of them live in the Opole district, not Silesia. That artcle also states that "The registered German minority in Poland consists of 152,900 people according to a 2002 census". One wonders if Podolski's family belong to that group? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zb007 ( talk • contribs) 07:49, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Well someone ( Jacek Kendysz) changed Podolski's origin from Silesian to Polish. My question is whether he is also of German origin. If not why would he otherwise be given the German nationality? I believe Miroslav Klose is truly of German ethnicity. Meursault2004 16:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/weltfussball/artikel/202/79123/
Am Sitz der "Sozial-kulturellen Gesellschaft" der deutschen Minderheit im oberschlesischen Oppeln (Opole) wie auch im Haus der Deutsch-Polnischen Zusammenarbeit in der sechzig Kilometer südöstlich gelegenen Industriestadt Gleiwitz (Gliwice) herrscht geradezu Jubelstimmung: Die Oppelner sind stolz auf den in ihrer Stadt geborenen Miroslav Klose, sein Vater Josef stammt aus einer deutschen Familie. Die Gleiwitzer sind nicht minder stolz auf den von dort kommenden Lukas Podolski; seine Großmutter wohnt noch dort, ihre Muttersprache ist Deutsch.
Die Familien Klose und Podolski sind in den achtziger Jahren als Spätaussiedler in die Bundesrepublik gekommen. Sie hatten Anspruch auf die Aufnahme in die Bundesrepublik, weil die Großeltern vor dem Krieg Reichsbürger waren. Das kommunistische Regime in Warschau bestritt zwar offiziell, dass in Oberschlesien noch Deutsche lebten. Doch war es auf Kredite aus dem Westen angewiesen.
Here is something some of you might be able to do. How about looking for a source to see if he has any German background? If we find something, problem solved. Kingjeff 03:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I think Lukas is one of the sweetest football player of the germany football worldcup group.
I am a fan of him. But who not???
Poldi doesn't dislike the German anthem. He exclaimed it was "fantastic" to have it on his boots. http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/060511/1/6r0a.html I don't know if he sung it. Perhaps he didn't. Perhaps he did. It's not interesting and not proven or disproven by any one so far. No need to argue about stuff too trivial to be called "trivial". There are songs about him. That's more remarkable . City-17 22:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
As per the article: "The Podolski family had the right to move to Germany because his (mixed Slavic-German Upper Silesian) grandparents had been residents of the German empire (Reich) until 1945 when they became Polish citizen."
I'm not sure why this description is so ambiguous and odd. Posolski's parents are both considered ethnic Germans by Germany because their grand parents were all ethnic Germans -- citizens(not "residents"). Just going to shorten this and clean it up. Ernham 19:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)ernham
The Podolski family had the right to move to Germany because they were ethnically German, as Lukas's grandparents had been German citizens until 1945 when they "became" Polish citizens. Podolski grew up in Bergheim, North Rhine-Westphalia, near Cologne.
Despite being born in Poland, Podolski has German citizenship only.
He wears unique shoes that display the Brandenburg Gate and have inscribed the words 'Unity, justice and freedom' -- from the German national anthem. "It is special to have the words of the national anthem printed on my boots. It is fantastic," Podolski said.
Please explain Pawel z Niepolomic how the clubs in which his parents had played are relevant to the early career of Lukas. Please explain on which sources you base your »He is a dual Polish-German citizen« and why this would overwrite the information about his passport. City-17 11:51, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
As a Polish citizen (he has) and native Pole we should called him as a Polish fotballer too! Not only German. Kowalmistrz 19:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
He is not Pole! He's not even polish citizen. He's native SILESIAN. If you don't believe me just ask him 80.49.150.73 14:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
http://www.sport.pl/sport/1,65025,5284694,Podolski__Nikt_z_Polski_sie_o_mnie_nie_bil.html
Hmm, there's no Silesian nationality! "Silesian people" is an ethnic group, a part of the Polish nation. Related with West Slavs and Germans, and the most with Polish Slavs, the modern people of Poland. And HE HAS a Polish citizenship! As a son of Polish citizens born in Poland he has since his birth. It's by the Polish law. Kowalmistrz 18:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
He's the son of his Polish born parents and he was born in Poland too. That's why it says his nationality is polish. Kingjeff 18:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
So far, I have seen no evidence that he retains Polish citizenship.
Who cares about these pointless details. He was born in Poland, lived in Germany for most of his life and now plays for Germany at the national level. We know he was born in Poland but why do all Polish people want some recognition for this? To make up for the fact that your national team isn't what it "could be". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.202.5.244 ( talk) 19:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Most countries do not recognize the concept of dual citizenship but merely turn a blind eye when their citizens bocome citizens of other countries. Podolski must have been a Polish citizen by birth. Unless there were special provisions in some treaty between Poland and Germany concerning abandonment of citizenship by Polish citizens moving to Germany by virtue of their German ancestry, Podolski could not simply give up its Polish citizenship by becoming a German citizen. It is actually very difficult to give up one's citizenship for any reason. So, barring any special provisions, Podolski in the eyes of the Polish law is still a Polish citizen. Conversely, because the concept of dual citizenship is commonly not recognized, I guess that according to the German law, a person may become a German citizen only if they agree to give up their previous citizenship. And because the German law does not mean anything in Poland, such an act of citizenship abandonment is not recognized by the Polish state. Therefore, the discussion about Podolski's citizenship is pointless because the correct answer depends on from what angle you look at it. His loyalty is with Germany and that is the only thing that matters. 128.146.238.235 ( talk) 20:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I know Germany didn't accept dual citizenship, but from what I've heard, they do now. Same thing goes for Poland and Sweden.
Norum ( talk) 17:45, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
It matters not what his nationality is or was. What matters is what kind of footballer he is — and what sort of Mensch he is. Too bad certain politicians (such as Mirosław Orzechowski) on either side of the Oder can't accept that we are all human beings.
Sca ( talk) 22:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Why do people add over and over German translation for Gliwice on this page? It can be easily found on Gliwice, there is no reason to add it here (even more so, as it was a Polish city when Lukas Podolski was born there). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Konkursor ( talk • contribs) 21:40, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
There is much talk about Lukas Podolski, as well as Miroslav Klose and others, having been born in Poland. Lukas was actually born in 1985 in Polish Administered Silesia.
The territory including Gleiwitz, Silesia, German Empire, was in 1945 conquered by Soviet Union, who gave it to Communist Polish Administration.
For Wikipedia to reflect International Law and to be correct it would have to state that Lukas Podolski was born in Polish Administered Silesia, and not that he was born in Poland.
Podolski , Klose and others of native German Silesian families, born in territory under Communist Polish Administration since 1945 conquest by Soviet Union, held automatic German citizenship. Upon arrival in Western Germany they automatically received their German passports. An Observer 9 September 2008
That makes completely no sense. Podolski is not a German name. Are you Germans so tick that you can't accept that he is
from Polish descent, and thus make up things like these? And you always tell Polish people that they should stop living
in the past, but you do exactly the same! Stop being such hypocrites. -Thedrunkenpole
what is your character? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.133.253.120 ( talk) 19:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Lol. Apparently I was born in "Polish Administered Silesia" too. Hahahaha. (polskaGOLA) ( talk) 01:09, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
Podolski is 100% German. During the second half of 20th century, the ethnic Germans in Poland were forcibly Polonized. Still, they remained Polish on the outside and German on the inside. Shannon1488 ( talk) 16:07, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Illraute changed his birthplace from Gliwice to the Germanized name of Gleiwitz, citing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gdansk/Vote#Results_on_VOTE:_Biographies However, this overrides the convention to use modern names only if the person is clearly German. We cannot say that Podolski is clearly German because he says he speaks Polish at home. http://www.focus.de/sport/fussball/em-2012/dfb-laenderspiel-klose-und-podolski-kehren-heim-nach-polen_aid_662183.html Since he was born in 1985 when the city was known as Gliwice and he's natively Polish-speaking, there is little argument to use the Germanized name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)
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it says hes german when he is polish
80.73.214.11 ( talk) 16:59, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm denying the request because he plays for Germany and holds German citizenship. Kingjeff ( talk) 17:13, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Would it not make sense to refer to Podolski as a Polish-born German? This would not only be a good compromise between those who consider him Polish or German - but far more importantly it is factually accurate. Completely disregarding ethnicity (which needn't be relevant in the opening paragraph) it refers to the fact that he was born a Polish citizen and NOT a German one, but now IS a German citizen, regardless of whether he officially holds Polish citizenship today or not. This is clearly relevant as his notability is for playing for Germany's national football team - thus representing a country he was not born a citizen of. The Raincloud Kid ( talk) 22:08, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This was last discussed nearly five years ago. The state at the end of March, 2017 was " is a German footballer". Fast-forward a year, " is a German footballer". 2019-03-17: " is a German professional footballer". 2020-03-30: " is a German professional footballer". 2021-03-28: " is a German professional footballer". 2021-09-23 " is a German professional footballer". Then, while I was blocked, User talk:Rossow99 ( talk · contribs) made a WP:BOLD edit to add Poland-born German. This changed a phrase that had lasted well over five years, although I did not check before March 2017. On 2022-02-02 Nehme1499 ( talk · contribs) completely removed nationality from the lede, so it had lasted a little more than four months. On 2022-02-23 Atlantico 000 ( talk · contribs) claimed that there had been a deletion of truthful information without justification. The latter part is true as no edit summary was provided, not sure it was necessary as this it is common practice to remove nationality from footballer articles when there is contention. This started an edit war that included reverts by Jaellee ( talk · contribs), three by me, and one (apparently on principle alone) by Butlerblog ( talk · contribs).
So here we are. I believe that the problem started on 2021-09-23 when the longstanding German footballer was changed. At the very least, it should have been changed to "Polish-born German", if it were changed at all, but do not think it needed a change. I have left all of the previous discussions above and would be happy to remove nationality per MOS:ETHNICITY and leave the discussion for an appropriate part of the article, but clearly some editors do not feel that to be appropriate either. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 07:15, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
I wrote to Jkudlick that I do not agree with the closing of the discussion and ask for it to be opened. Atlantico 000 ( talk) 18:37, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
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German wikipedia discussion:
Lukas Podolski hat nur die Deutsche Staatsangehörigkeit, einen polnischen Pass hat er nicht. Damit dürfte die Diskussion um eine doppelte Staatsbürgerschaft beendet sein. Andreas Stops, ans sport GmbH (Management Lukas Podolski)
abgesehen davon, dass es mir egal ist zwei punkte zum vorstehenden (nicht signiertem) beitrag von Benutzer:Stopsi; warum ist anzunehmen das du Andreas Stops vom Management Podolskis bist? und weiterer; sagt das Management immer die wahrheit? *grins* ...Sicherlich Post 14:25, 14. Jun 2006 (CEST) Gerne kannst du unter 02161/821280 anrufen. Diese Nummer steht auch auf Lukas´ Website. Für weitere Infos stehe ich gerne zur Verfügung. Wieso sollte man eine doppelte Staatsbürgerschaft leugnen? Gruß Andreas Stops
Wenn das so ist sollten wir den Artikel auch entsprechend ändern. Oder hat jemand wirklich handfeste Belege für den polnischen Pass? Diese polnische Zeitung war wohl bisher die einzige Quelle für eine doppelte Staatsangehörigkeit. Hans Schäfer 11:20, 15. Jun 2006 (CEST) In der aktuellen Ausgabe der SportBild sagt Podolski, er habe keine doppelte Staatsbürgerschaft. --BLiZz@rD 16:00, 15. Jun 2006 (CEST)
Ich habe es rausgenommen. --Streifengrasmaus 16:06, 15. Jun 2006 (CEST)
Podolski has carried Polish passport, Polish nationality and Polish citizenship because he his Polish parents and all children of Polish parents have Polish nationality and citizenship as a matter of Polish law. edit for diction and grammar, hopefully without changing meaning Radio Guy ( talk) 23:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone find any sources either way? Kingjeff 20:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Just read his Interview in the magazine SportBild from 15.June 2006. Because he has no polish passport, he could not play for the Polish national team. If you don´t believe me ask his management under 02161/821280 !
Nonsense. He was born in Poland, has Polish citizenship, passport wouldn't be a problem. Polish coach at the time chose not to call him to Polish national team, thus he joined German team. That's all — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.64.13.109 ( talk) 14:31, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Maybe one tries to write this section in an objective way, providing all necessary information as well as all arguments pro and contra. For instance, it is written now that "His paternal family belongs to the German minority in Upper Silesia." But when one looks in the wiki link to the "German minority in Upper Silesia" one may infer that most of them live in the Opole district, not Silesia. That artcle also states that "The registered German minority in Poland consists of 152,900 people according to a 2002 census". One wonders if Podolski's family belong to that group? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zb007 ( talk • contribs) 07:49, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Well someone ( Jacek Kendysz) changed Podolski's origin from Silesian to Polish. My question is whether he is also of German origin. If not why would he otherwise be given the German nationality? I believe Miroslav Klose is truly of German ethnicity. Meursault2004 16:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/weltfussball/artikel/202/79123/
Am Sitz der "Sozial-kulturellen Gesellschaft" der deutschen Minderheit im oberschlesischen Oppeln (Opole) wie auch im Haus der Deutsch-Polnischen Zusammenarbeit in der sechzig Kilometer südöstlich gelegenen Industriestadt Gleiwitz (Gliwice) herrscht geradezu Jubelstimmung: Die Oppelner sind stolz auf den in ihrer Stadt geborenen Miroslav Klose, sein Vater Josef stammt aus einer deutschen Familie. Die Gleiwitzer sind nicht minder stolz auf den von dort kommenden Lukas Podolski; seine Großmutter wohnt noch dort, ihre Muttersprache ist Deutsch.
Die Familien Klose und Podolski sind in den achtziger Jahren als Spätaussiedler in die Bundesrepublik gekommen. Sie hatten Anspruch auf die Aufnahme in die Bundesrepublik, weil die Großeltern vor dem Krieg Reichsbürger waren. Das kommunistische Regime in Warschau bestritt zwar offiziell, dass in Oberschlesien noch Deutsche lebten. Doch war es auf Kredite aus dem Westen angewiesen.
Here is something some of you might be able to do. How about looking for a source to see if he has any German background? If we find something, problem solved. Kingjeff 03:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I think Lukas is one of the sweetest football player of the germany football worldcup group.
I am a fan of him. But who not???
Poldi doesn't dislike the German anthem. He exclaimed it was "fantastic" to have it on his boots. http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/060511/1/6r0a.html I don't know if he sung it. Perhaps he didn't. Perhaps he did. It's not interesting and not proven or disproven by any one so far. No need to argue about stuff too trivial to be called "trivial". There are songs about him. That's more remarkable . City-17 22:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
As per the article: "The Podolski family had the right to move to Germany because his (mixed Slavic-German Upper Silesian) grandparents had been residents of the German empire (Reich) until 1945 when they became Polish citizen."
I'm not sure why this description is so ambiguous and odd. Posolski's parents are both considered ethnic Germans by Germany because their grand parents were all ethnic Germans -- citizens(not "residents"). Just going to shorten this and clean it up. Ernham 19:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)ernham
The Podolski family had the right to move to Germany because they were ethnically German, as Lukas's grandparents had been German citizens until 1945 when they "became" Polish citizens. Podolski grew up in Bergheim, North Rhine-Westphalia, near Cologne.
Despite being born in Poland, Podolski has German citizenship only.
He wears unique shoes that display the Brandenburg Gate and have inscribed the words 'Unity, justice and freedom' -- from the German national anthem. "It is special to have the words of the national anthem printed on my boots. It is fantastic," Podolski said.
Please explain Pawel z Niepolomic how the clubs in which his parents had played are relevant to the early career of Lukas. Please explain on which sources you base your »He is a dual Polish-German citizen« and why this would overwrite the information about his passport. City-17 11:51, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
As a Polish citizen (he has) and native Pole we should called him as a Polish fotballer too! Not only German. Kowalmistrz 19:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
He is not Pole! He's not even polish citizen. He's native SILESIAN. If you don't believe me just ask him 80.49.150.73 14:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
http://www.sport.pl/sport/1,65025,5284694,Podolski__Nikt_z_Polski_sie_o_mnie_nie_bil.html
Hmm, there's no Silesian nationality! "Silesian people" is an ethnic group, a part of the Polish nation. Related with West Slavs and Germans, and the most with Polish Slavs, the modern people of Poland. And HE HAS a Polish citizenship! As a son of Polish citizens born in Poland he has since his birth. It's by the Polish law. Kowalmistrz 18:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
He's the son of his Polish born parents and he was born in Poland too. That's why it says his nationality is polish. Kingjeff 18:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
So far, I have seen no evidence that he retains Polish citizenship.
Who cares about these pointless details. He was born in Poland, lived in Germany for most of his life and now plays for Germany at the national level. We know he was born in Poland but why do all Polish people want some recognition for this? To make up for the fact that your national team isn't what it "could be". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.202.5.244 ( talk) 19:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Most countries do not recognize the concept of dual citizenship but merely turn a blind eye when their citizens bocome citizens of other countries. Podolski must have been a Polish citizen by birth. Unless there were special provisions in some treaty between Poland and Germany concerning abandonment of citizenship by Polish citizens moving to Germany by virtue of their German ancestry, Podolski could not simply give up its Polish citizenship by becoming a German citizen. It is actually very difficult to give up one's citizenship for any reason. So, barring any special provisions, Podolski in the eyes of the Polish law is still a Polish citizen. Conversely, because the concept of dual citizenship is commonly not recognized, I guess that according to the German law, a person may become a German citizen only if they agree to give up their previous citizenship. And because the German law does not mean anything in Poland, such an act of citizenship abandonment is not recognized by the Polish state. Therefore, the discussion about Podolski's citizenship is pointless because the correct answer depends on from what angle you look at it. His loyalty is with Germany and that is the only thing that matters. 128.146.238.235 ( talk) 20:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I know Germany didn't accept dual citizenship, but from what I've heard, they do now. Same thing goes for Poland and Sweden.
Norum ( talk) 17:45, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
It matters not what his nationality is or was. What matters is what kind of footballer he is — and what sort of Mensch he is. Too bad certain politicians (such as Mirosław Orzechowski) on either side of the Oder can't accept that we are all human beings.
Sca ( talk) 22:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Why do people add over and over German translation for Gliwice on this page? It can be easily found on Gliwice, there is no reason to add it here (even more so, as it was a Polish city when Lukas Podolski was born there). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Konkursor ( talk • contribs) 21:40, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
There is much talk about Lukas Podolski, as well as Miroslav Klose and others, having been born in Poland. Lukas was actually born in 1985 in Polish Administered Silesia.
The territory including Gleiwitz, Silesia, German Empire, was in 1945 conquered by Soviet Union, who gave it to Communist Polish Administration.
For Wikipedia to reflect International Law and to be correct it would have to state that Lukas Podolski was born in Polish Administered Silesia, and not that he was born in Poland.
Podolski , Klose and others of native German Silesian families, born in territory under Communist Polish Administration since 1945 conquest by Soviet Union, held automatic German citizenship. Upon arrival in Western Germany they automatically received their German passports. An Observer 9 September 2008
That makes completely no sense. Podolski is not a German name. Are you Germans so tick that you can't accept that he is
from Polish descent, and thus make up things like these? And you always tell Polish people that they should stop living
in the past, but you do exactly the same! Stop being such hypocrites. -Thedrunkenpole
what is your character? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.133.253.120 ( talk) 19:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Lol. Apparently I was born in "Polish Administered Silesia" too. Hahahaha. (polskaGOLA) ( talk) 01:09, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
Podolski is 100% German. During the second half of 20th century, the ethnic Germans in Poland were forcibly Polonized. Still, they remained Polish on the outside and German on the inside. Shannon1488 ( talk) 16:07, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Illraute changed his birthplace from Gliwice to the Germanized name of Gleiwitz, citing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gdansk/Vote#Results_on_VOTE:_Biographies However, this overrides the convention to use modern names only if the person is clearly German. We cannot say that Podolski is clearly German because he says he speaks Polish at home. http://www.focus.de/sport/fussball/em-2012/dfb-laenderspiel-klose-und-podolski-kehren-heim-nach-polen_aid_662183.html Since he was born in 1985 when the city was known as Gliwice and he's natively Polish-speaking, there is little argument to use the Germanized name. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)
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it says hes german when he is polish
80.73.214.11 ( talk) 16:59, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
I'm denying the request because he plays for Germany and holds German citizenship. Kingjeff ( talk) 17:13, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Would it not make sense to refer to Podolski as a Polish-born German? This would not only be a good compromise between those who consider him Polish or German - but far more importantly it is factually accurate. Completely disregarding ethnicity (which needn't be relevant in the opening paragraph) it refers to the fact that he was born a Polish citizen and NOT a German one, but now IS a German citizen, regardless of whether he officially holds Polish citizenship today or not. This is clearly relevant as his notability is for playing for Germany's national football team - thus representing a country he was not born a citizen of. The Raincloud Kid ( talk) 22:08, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This was last discussed nearly five years ago. The state at the end of March, 2017 was " is a German footballer". Fast-forward a year, " is a German footballer". 2019-03-17: " is a German professional footballer". 2020-03-30: " is a German professional footballer". 2021-03-28: " is a German professional footballer". 2021-09-23 " is a German professional footballer". Then, while I was blocked, User talk:Rossow99 ( talk · contribs) made a WP:BOLD edit to add Poland-born German. This changed a phrase that had lasted well over five years, although I did not check before March 2017. On 2022-02-02 Nehme1499 ( talk · contribs) completely removed nationality from the lede, so it had lasted a little more than four months. On 2022-02-23 Atlantico 000 ( talk · contribs) claimed that there had been a deletion of truthful information without justification. The latter part is true as no edit summary was provided, not sure it was necessary as this it is common practice to remove nationality from footballer articles when there is contention. This started an edit war that included reverts by Jaellee ( talk · contribs), three by me, and one (apparently on principle alone) by Butlerblog ( talk · contribs).
So here we are. I believe that the problem started on 2021-09-23 when the longstanding German footballer was changed. At the very least, it should have been changed to "Polish-born German", if it were changed at all, but do not think it needed a change. I have left all of the previous discussions above and would be happy to remove nationality per MOS:ETHNICITY and leave the discussion for an appropriate part of the article, but clearly some editors do not feel that to be appropriate either. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 07:15, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
I wrote to Jkudlick that I do not agree with the closing of the discussion and ask for it to be opened. Atlantico 000 ( talk) 18:37, 10 March 2022 (UTC)