This
level-5 vital article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the Top 25 Report. The week in which this happened: |
his name is "Askar Zadeh"; which means "from the generation of Askar". why do the article calls him "Zadeh"? it means "son or daughter of ..." of "from the generation of ..."
Saeed.Veradi ( talk) 16:56, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
The article has been put in the category American Muslims. If Mr. Zadeh's mother was Jewish, then, technically, according to Judaic law, he is a Jew. In any case, such religion categories should only be applied if the subject self-identifies as an adherent of the religion, and even then, in my opinion, only if that fact has some relevance or notability. Wikipedia does not place (for example) Giuseppe Peano in category Italian Roman Catholics. Mr. Zadeh received his high-school education at a school founded by Presbyterian missionaries. Is there any specific evidence that Mr. Zadeh is a professing Muslim? If not, this categorization should be removed. 199.3.224.3 ( talk) 01:41, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
I happened to know Mr. Zadeh's close family friend which confirmed that his father was Muslim. I am not arguing if he is Muslim or not, but the question is why the author of the article has to mention his mother's religion background (Jewish) but fail to introduce his father's religious background (Islam)? I think the author of the article should have also mentioned the Muslim background since he has mentioned the Jewish background or neither of the two. 03:39, 26 January 2009 (EST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alisharma ( talk • contribs)
He is a jew, or what?
Is that important? Probably he is not. PERICLES
According to Persian_Jews he is. Tsf 18:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, probably he's not important. [1] -- Alperen 16:19, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
mabye his mother was russian jew?!!!!
His father was an Azeri Muslim and his mother was Russian Jew. I think the author of the article should have also mentioned the Muslim background since he has mentioned the Jewish background or neither of the two.
There is no need to mention his mother's religion. There is no credible source showing that his mother was from Jewish background or that she was an adherent of the Judaist religion. Besides, we didn't mention his father's religion (which we are certain about), so there's no reason whatsoever to mention his mother's.-- Grinevitski ( talk) 07:17, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
I found the discussion in this section very amusing in a providentially self-referential way, although I wouldn't want to spoil anybody's fun in discovering the reason himself. hehe. -- Philopedia ( talk) 21:09, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Lofti Zadeh is still alive so it would be only fair to ask him how does he want to to be classified regarding this mater. Reading his interviews I'd strongly suspect that the'd prefer no to have any religious label attached to his name. And once you resolve that please remove these these "discussions" - it's quite disrespectful for people to be publicly debating imagined religious affiliation of such a prominent scientist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.78.165.234 ( talk) 14:38, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Added some sectioning for context, the scientist info box (first changes anonymously), etc. Lycurgus 23:08, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Why do we have two different spelling of the name? Anyone has a source that says which one is correct.
We know that the vowel "a" in Azarbaijan and "al" (meaning hand) by Iranian Azarbaijanis (pronounced like "a" in "Sam" in English) is exactly the same as "ə" in Azərbaycan and "əl" ("a" in Azəri Latin alphabet is used for things like "alma", meaning apple). The letter "ə" becomes "e" when the words are imported in English, confusing big time and is a great source of argument over spelling and pronouncing things. For pronouncing "e" as in "pen" Azəri Latin alphabet uses "e", e.g. gedib, meaning gone.
However, Lotfi Zadeh had an Iranian passport when migrating to America so it is highly likely that his passport would have shown "Askar Zadeh" instead of "Asker Zadeh". Please provide sources in either case and lets make it one spelling across.
Persian Magi (
talk)
08:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
"asker"? (عسکِر) it has no meaning in Arabic. check it in dictionary or wiktionary or ask any arab. how has someone made such a mistake? arabic is a very sensitive language about it's vowel letters. changing e to a can change the meaning of the word to it's opposite. like Montazer (one who's waiting for something) and Montazar (something you're waiting for)
Nationality is not place of birth. Someone, please bring a citation that he is an Azeri national officially.
However, he definitely is:
Anyhow, I put all 4 in the list in good faith. Citations might confirm/deny the latter two of the above list.
Persian Magi ( talk) 23:17, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
He holds Iranian and Amercian citizenship, I have added a source in which he hisemlf explains his citizneship status.-- 07fan ( talk) 06:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
The nationality issue has come up again. I have reverted, but I am not 100% sure whether I reverted to the correct nationality. I think people familiar with this area need to improve that aspect of this biog in order to put the matter to rest. John Vandenberg ( talk) 10:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Unverifiable claims? Saying he's a "former Iranian" is an Unverifiable claim. The man grew up in Iran, moved to US on an Iranian passport, and even after moving to US, lived and worked in US and traveled around the world as an Iranian for decades, and did not acquire an American citizenship until 1994, three years after he had retired, and there is no indication that he ever lost his Iranian citizenship. You are reinterpreting the source, making a straw man argument that he's not an Iranian all of sudden, based on what grammar tense he used in his interview, when he's never said I am a "former Iranian" or "I am no longer an Iranian". Regardless, I've added a 2005 BBC Persian interview [3] in which Lotfi Asker Zadeh is referred to and refers to himself as an Iranian. BBC is a reliable source.-- 07fan ( talk) 05:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't think this is a very serious issue, and I think this can be resolved by presenting proper sources. You are making claims about citizenship, so it is you who needs to contact Mr Lotfi Zade. I asked for a third opinion here: [5] I hope this will help to resolve the dispute. Grandmaster ( talk) 07:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Numerous sources on Google books refer to Zadeh as either Iranian or Iranian-American. [ [6]]. -- 07fan ( talk) 07:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
All the sources I have provided, and can be found on Google books, are verifiable, and refer to him as a national of Iran or an Iranian-American. So we're not just going to redfeine nationality and call him "Russian" or "Azerbaijani" national, just because you're refusing to accept WP:RS sources explicitly calling him an Iranian, or an Iranian-American, and have made an unsubstantiated assertion or claim that he's no longer an Iranian citizen. Meanwhile, I will try to get in touch with Lotfi Asker Zadeh who I've had the honor of meeting at several Iranian community events, to make a comment on this issue. I don't think he'll be very pleased that an editor on Wikipedia is calling him a "former Iranian" and reinterpreting his words as meaning he's no longer an Iranian. -- 07fan ( talk) 11:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Grandmaster, you are drawing all your conclusions from a sentence from Lotfi Zadeh: "I was an Iranian citizen". Even if he says "I am not an Iranian citizen anymore." That does not make him a non-Iranian. If you are an Iranian citizen, the only way to become non-Iranian is to formally denounce your citizenship. For example, even if he says in an interview that he is no longer an Iranian and goes to apply for a passport to Iran, in extreme politically motivated circumstances he might have a slight chance of legal ramifications, such as dealing with court etc., for the interview when he arrives in Iran but for acquiring the passport he will have no issues. He won't need to apply for Iranian citizenship as by default he is an Iranian citizen already. He does not have to be given Iranian citizenship.
It is also true if you go and do such interview tomorrow and say you no longer are an Azeri or American citizen. That does not deprive you from your citizenship. Your citizenship is an official status and can not be ruled out by your interview. Denouncing a citizenship has to be formal, in case of Iranian, and by voluntarily acquiring other citizenship, in case of some countries like Australia.
Therefore, we know he was an Iranian citizen. We also know that he has NOT denounced it neither verbally nor officially. So your conclusion of that simple statement is only speculative opinion of yours and not something of Wikipedia material.
Persian Magi (
talk)
23:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
The name he uses for his papers and books is Lotfi A. Zadeh, and he is best known with this name and this should be the title of this page. Alefbe ( talk) 21:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Consensus was to lose the middle name. A better case was made to use the middle initial rather then dropping it. If anyone feels strongly about dropping the middle initial, fell free to propose that move. But I think the move here should work. Vegaswikian ( talk) 19:54, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Lotfi Asker Zadeh →
Lotfi A. Zadeh — As per the suggestion made about a year ago, this is the name he publishes under, and the name he is best known by.
Beyond My Ken (
talk)
18:26, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
I wonder why some try to remove the part with his nationality and ethnicity and especially trying to say that he is not an Azeri but persian. Unfortunately this happens in many articles in wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.158.194.152 ( talk) 18:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Because it is a continued bone of contention, I have removed these entries entirely from the infobox. Please do not add nationality or ethnicity information to the infobox without a supporting citation from a reliable source. That includes adding "United States" to nationality -- even though I assume he has Americna citizenship, I don't know that for certain, and there is no source cited one way or the other. The information in the article itself seems admirably straightforward in its description of his background, but to add any ethnicity, we ought to have something that says what Zadeh himself considers it to be. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 10:16, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
I draw your attention to this discussion I have initiated on WP:ECCN. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 02:04, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, but you have not been specific at all. Could you clearly and concretely state 1) which of the sources I cited are not reliable or verifiable - and not just state, but cast a reasonable shadow of doubt; 2) show which terminology and words that I've used might be incorrect, factually or otherwise, and 3) which Wikipedia rules have I "violated" - not just re-cite WP:WEIGHT or others, but actually show, how did I supposedly "violate" any of it? The problem is that you cannot show any of that, whilst I've shown very clearly that it is in fact you, Beyond My Ken, who is violating multiple Wikipedia rules, all because you assumed bad faith from the outset, refused to compromise and reach consensus, engaged in constant reverts, asked your friends to help you out in doing that, engaged in original research, violated WP:WEIGHT, went contrary to WP:BLPREMOVE, suppressed reliable and verifiable sources about a living person - with that very living person tell you and everyone, directly, what he feels and thinks about himself, whilst being in his own office or in his own university's hall. -- Saygi1 ( talk) 22:23, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
If my "offense" is bolding text, then your offense is canvassing, engaging in original research, engaging in a revert war, removing verifiable and reliable sourced content, giving undue weight to sources you like and suppressing anything you don't like, treating a biography of a living person as your personal research paper, threatening me with admin action, and editing in bad faith. -- Saygi1 ( talk) 23:23, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
There is no need to mention his mother's religion. Moreover his father was Muslim. So, at first there is not any citable reference about the religion of Lotfi Zadeh! Second, his religion is not related to his father or mother, and if relate, why mother? and why not father?
I believe, there is no need to mention his religion.
Unfortunately according to this mistake information, we can see a classification of
Jewish scientists Jewish scientists with name of Lotfi Zadeh!?
Also the reference 4 is not good endorsement and it is only a website that it may publish mistake facts.
Which source? Source for a mistake information?! I wrote his mother is Jewish but its reference is not citable. Also there is not any source that say he is Jewish but it has been extracted in another page of wiki according to this page! see — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.27.200.230 ( talk) 14:39, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
What happened to the good photo that was on this page of Lotfi Zadeh? It's ok to add photos related to prizes etc, but why to get rid of a very good closeup photos of him and replace it with a fuzzy photo with two other people. It doesn't even show the prize. Please can you put the original photo back. Add yours if you wish - to show a contemporary photo at the time of the Barcelona Award. But please don't delete good photos. Thanks Gizgalasi ( talk) 02:11, 1 September 2013 (UTC)Gizgalasi
Creative Commons Deed
This is a human-readable summary of the full license below.You are free:
Under the following conditions:
With the understanding that:
|
So, the procedure here is to get Zadeh in touch with OTRS (or, if you have an e-mail from Zadeh, it may be enough to forward the e-mail to OTRS with Zadeh's e-mail address so they can verify it with him). Then once OTRS has a case number, the image can be uploaded. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 08:30, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Go to this link for the standard consent form. The type of license is CC-BY-SA. I know this all may appear to be a pain-in-the-neck, but its purpose is to protect Wikipedia from copyright problems. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 08:43, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Ok folks, let's have some discussion. Adding the Persian transliteration looks pretty uncontroversial, and we now have a source for it. What's the problem? Lesser Cartographies ( talk) 17:51, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi. Could someone tell me why all these "Azerbaijani scientists/Azerbaijani X" categories are added here, when so far no source has been presented that attests that he supposedly held Soviet Azerbaijani citizenship? Both of his parents were simply Iranian citizens living in the Azerbaijan SSR for some time, and this is sourced. Just the fact that he (Lotfi A. Zadeh) was born there in the SU and lived there for a few years doesn't mean that he actually held its citizenship. Such people are what we usually call expats, and unless someone can prove that he held Soviet citizenship, these categories are all unfortunately erroneous. Bests - LouisAragon ( talk) 18:29, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Lotfi Aliaskar Zade is not an Azerbaijani, and the place of birth is not nationality. even Azerbaijan Republic didn't exist at that time. So Iranian-Azeris do not use Latin script of Azerbaijan republic as their writing system, but Persian and sometimes English. Also at that time his parents were for reporting and their job. his mother was a Russian and his father an Iranian (Iranian-Azeri). for Iranian Azeris we only add the Persian name, in common situation, because the spelling and meaning is Persian, Such as Rambod Javan and Ali Daei or Ali Javan, Jafar Panahi, Ali Khamenei, Googoosh and etc. their names are completely Persian but ethnicity is not. We must only add the Persian or a Persian spelling near by the ethnic spelling. about Iranian Azeris and all Iranian people we must add Persian too. for example Al Pacino and Leonardo DiCaprio are Italian-Americans. if we add the ethnic spelling, we add the national language (Am English) spelling too. but his name, in this case is like Ali Daei and Rambod Javan, and the situation is like that. his name is not Turkic at all, but completely Persian. the origin of "Zade" (son of..son of lotfi) which is a Persian word, not Turkic/Azeri comes from "Zayesh", a Persian word which means "birth". Persian name needs Persian spelling . Also it is not common to add only ethnic spelling without common Persian spelling for Iranians.
Also the word "Lotfi" is a combination of Arabic word and Persian suffix which make a Perso-Arabic word with a Persian meaning and spelling. the letter "i" which appears in the word Bahai makes a different meaning with Arabic word, a different spelling too. not Turkic and not Arabic spelling I mean.
Hereby, I TheStrayDog add an expert user on Iran Wikiproject @ LouisAragon: and also an expert Iranian languages' linguist Mr. Hamid Hassani (@ Hamid Hassani:) to discuss here and resolve this problem permanently. thank you. The Stray Dog Talk Page 23:02, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
References
{{
cite web}}
: Missing or empty |title=
(
help)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Lotfi A. Zadeh. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 06:48, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
An Iranian government source is not a WP:RS. Please remove the last edit by Dorglorg until a reliable source confirms his death, it is a clear violation of BLP if not confirmed. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 00:19, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
I have protected this article for 2 days due to extendedconfirmed editors warring over reports of Zadeh's death. I haven't had time just yet to research the situation myself so I did not edit the article, but administrator Primefac has removed information about his supposed death. User Beyond My Ken has concerns over the reliability of the source(s?) reporting his death. Please discuss here. Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 00:20, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
I'd like to know what makes these sources unreliable: http://www.ibna.ir/en/doc/naghli/250978/iranian-theorist-of-fuzzy-logic-dies http://www.ibna.ir/en/doc/naghli/250978/iranian-theorist-of-fuzzy-logic-dies Dorglorg ( talk) 00:28, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Which one of the used references says his father was an Iranian Azerbaijani? Could you guys shows me that source? How could a Russian Jewish woman married a Muslim?! Did his mother convert to Islam? -- 188.158.107.90 ( talk) 04:23, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Zadeh died on August 12 in San Francisco, CA. BBCLCD ( talk) 13:56, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
The German WP used the following ref: [10] As a former student of EECS at UC Berkeley I knew Prof. Zadeh. Therefore, I am interested to have a correct CV for him. BBCLCD ( talk) 16:15, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
In the categories, replace "2017 deaths" with "Living people" until a reliable source can be found. This is most likely collateral damage from the protection Anarcho-authoritarian ( talk) 14:58, 13 August 2017 (UTC) Anarcho-authoritarian ( talk) 14:58, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Lotfi A. Zadeh died on August 12, 2017. [1] Disha shur ( talk) 19:36, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Per WP:EGG, can the link to "the Shah" be changed to " Reza Shah". Shah was a title, and we would not say the American leader was "the President". In addition, the word "Shah" in and of itself has become associated in the English language with the last emperor, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Anarcho-authoritarian ( talk) 14:35, 14 August 2017 (UTC) Anarcho-authoritarian ( talk) 14:35, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
[11]. This is why PressTV is not a reliable source, They sinoply repeated the Tehran University report without checking it for themselves, as did all the other Iranian and Azerbaijaini outlets and sites. This is why we require that a reliable source verify a death before we report it. It's still possible that Zadeh may have died, but we wait for confirmation from a trusted source. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 15:30, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
I thanked her for responding. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 15:50, 14 August 2017 (UTC)Professor Zadeh is alive and well.
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
I was also wondering about the truth content of the news from the following sources: http://en.azvision.az/news/70497/azerbaijani-scientist,-father-of-fuzzy-logic-lotfi-zadeh-passes-away-.html http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/08/12/531553/iran-lofti-zadeh-fuzzy-logic Zimboras ( talk) 20:21, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Thanks for the protection.
The last edit before protection, by 5.197.118.181, changed the wording of a direct quote, from "Russia" to "Soviet Union". This needs to ne changed back. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 12:04, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Oh, come on. His official Facebook page, which firmly denied his death in August, has already announced plans for burial and the news were reported on it 8 hours ago! If no Western newspaper/agency is interested in it does not mean he's alive; this time it is clear he is really dead. -- Folengo ( talk) 14:17, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Ah, how fuzzy anyway!-- Folengo ( talk) 14:32, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Is this enough?-- Folengo ( talk) 16:28, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
El Pais obituary and ABC.es obituary. I think that's definitely enough.-- Folengo ( talk) 16:36, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Can someone confirm if he died and update this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.5.79.66 ( talk) 11:29, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
El Pais obituary and ABC.es obituary. I think that's definitely enough.-- Folengo ( talk) 16:40, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
El País is the biggest newspaper in Spain. Why would they lie about it or write about it without knowing it's really happened? You are being too conservative now, if his Facebook page has not been hacked (and it has not been hacked) we only needed some respected newspaper to write a decent obit. El Pais wrote it. It's respectable as Guardian or BBC, I don't see the point of waiting for an US based obit. Zadeh is dead. That's what matters.-- 79.24.120.126 ( talk) 18:07, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
This news has been circulating for over 14 hours in over a dozen outlets and hasn't been disputed by anyone. His Facebook page is saying it's true, even the president of his country has mentioned it. This is obviously true, now add his death. Dorglorg ( talk) 19:00, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
It's clear he is dead. Let's put the date on, then we will remove it if reports are withdrawn, which won't happen. There's his official Facebook page, every news site of Azerbaijan, El Pais (!) and ABC and you still don't buy it. Oh, come on, it is not so strange to die at 96!-- Folengo ( talk) 19:09, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Oddly specific details. Also when has whether or not the country he lived in publishes anything about it been the deciding factor if the news is true or not? The first news of Michael Cimino's Death were from French outlets and he died in LA. It's nonsensical to downplay family friends words in reliable sources just because it's not a US source. Rusted AutoParts 19:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Caspian News reporting it too. -- 79.24.120.126 ( talk) 19:34, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Lotfi A Zadeh has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please see my comment above. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 20:07, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Perfect. By the way, here's El Periodico obituary-- Folengo ( talk) 20:17, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Here is UC Berkeley reporting his passing away: [12] -- denny vrandečić ( talk) 20:38, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Lotfi A. Zadeh. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 10:23, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Lotfi A. Zadeh. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 02:20, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Owing to Dr. Zadeh's unfortunate death, as he never mentioned any denouncement over his Iranian citizenship or nationality, I added his nationality as " Iranian-American" based on Iranian law of citizenship ( here). Per many discussions (above) in this talk-page, there was found no evidence that he denounced his Iranian passport. Based on Iranian law who his father and/or mother is Iranian is automatically and unconditionally Iranian either. He was brought up in Iran and educated at Iranian University of Tehran. Thereafter he left Iran in Pahlavi era (Imperial Iran) for America. Also as we know the passport law of Imperial Gov. of Iran never let citizens leave the country without Iranian passport. Please do not change this edit unless you bring any kind of reference against he was not Iranian. Thanks. The Stray Dog Talk Page 23:05, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
According to Persian and Azeri data (including epitaph on his tombstone), his first name was Lotfali. Therefore "Lotfali Aliasker Zadeh" seems to be rational as his birth name. محمد إسلامي 0711 ( talk) 21:01, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
He's from Azerbaijan not İran 2A00:F41:1C2F:F472:491A:66BF:2D2B:6B34 ( talk) 16:01, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Not Iranian-American, Azerbaijani-American. He was an Azerbaijani scientist as is obvious from the place of birth: Baku - the capital of Azerbaijan. 5.197.247.21 ( talk) 16:15, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
The US was not involved in the invasion, which took place in the late summer 1941 and lasted into the fall. The US was a non-participant until Dec. 1941. I trust I don't need a cite for that? (As for the invasion, it has a page.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C6:4300:6EE0:C57B:CDED:A88C:51DB ( talk) 03:45, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Lotfi A. Zadeh was half Iranian and half Jewish, but certainly not from the so-called "Republic of Azerbaijan." This is unacceptable rewriting of history. Azerbaijan is Iran!
This
level-5 vital article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
This article has been viewed enough times in a single week to appear in the Top 25 Report. The week in which this happened: |
his name is "Askar Zadeh"; which means "from the generation of Askar". why do the article calls him "Zadeh"? it means "son or daughter of ..." of "from the generation of ..."
Saeed.Veradi ( talk) 16:56, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
The article has been put in the category American Muslims. If Mr. Zadeh's mother was Jewish, then, technically, according to Judaic law, he is a Jew. In any case, such religion categories should only be applied if the subject self-identifies as an adherent of the religion, and even then, in my opinion, only if that fact has some relevance or notability. Wikipedia does not place (for example) Giuseppe Peano in category Italian Roman Catholics. Mr. Zadeh received his high-school education at a school founded by Presbyterian missionaries. Is there any specific evidence that Mr. Zadeh is a professing Muslim? If not, this categorization should be removed. 199.3.224.3 ( talk) 01:41, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
I happened to know Mr. Zadeh's close family friend which confirmed that his father was Muslim. I am not arguing if he is Muslim or not, but the question is why the author of the article has to mention his mother's religion background (Jewish) but fail to introduce his father's religious background (Islam)? I think the author of the article should have also mentioned the Muslim background since he has mentioned the Jewish background or neither of the two. 03:39, 26 January 2009 (EST) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alisharma ( talk • contribs)
He is a jew, or what?
Is that important? Probably he is not. PERICLES
According to Persian_Jews he is. Tsf 18:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, probably he's not important. [1] -- Alperen 16:19, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
mabye his mother was russian jew?!!!!
His father was an Azeri Muslim and his mother was Russian Jew. I think the author of the article should have also mentioned the Muslim background since he has mentioned the Jewish background or neither of the two.
There is no need to mention his mother's religion. There is no credible source showing that his mother was from Jewish background or that she was an adherent of the Judaist religion. Besides, we didn't mention his father's religion (which we are certain about), so there's no reason whatsoever to mention his mother's.-- Grinevitski ( talk) 07:17, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
I found the discussion in this section very amusing in a providentially self-referential way, although I wouldn't want to spoil anybody's fun in discovering the reason himself. hehe. -- Philopedia ( talk) 21:09, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Lofti Zadeh is still alive so it would be only fair to ask him how does he want to to be classified regarding this mater. Reading his interviews I'd strongly suspect that the'd prefer no to have any religious label attached to his name. And once you resolve that please remove these these "discussions" - it's quite disrespectful for people to be publicly debating imagined religious affiliation of such a prominent scientist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.78.165.234 ( talk) 14:38, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Added some sectioning for context, the scientist info box (first changes anonymously), etc. Lycurgus 23:08, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Why do we have two different spelling of the name? Anyone has a source that says which one is correct.
We know that the vowel "a" in Azarbaijan and "al" (meaning hand) by Iranian Azarbaijanis (pronounced like "a" in "Sam" in English) is exactly the same as "ə" in Azərbaycan and "əl" ("a" in Azəri Latin alphabet is used for things like "alma", meaning apple). The letter "ə" becomes "e" when the words are imported in English, confusing big time and is a great source of argument over spelling and pronouncing things. For pronouncing "e" as in "pen" Azəri Latin alphabet uses "e", e.g. gedib, meaning gone.
However, Lotfi Zadeh had an Iranian passport when migrating to America so it is highly likely that his passport would have shown "Askar Zadeh" instead of "Asker Zadeh". Please provide sources in either case and lets make it one spelling across.
Persian Magi (
talk)
08:36, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
"asker"? (عسکِر) it has no meaning in Arabic. check it in dictionary or wiktionary or ask any arab. how has someone made such a mistake? arabic is a very sensitive language about it's vowel letters. changing e to a can change the meaning of the word to it's opposite. like Montazer (one who's waiting for something) and Montazar (something you're waiting for)
Nationality is not place of birth. Someone, please bring a citation that he is an Azeri national officially.
However, he definitely is:
Anyhow, I put all 4 in the list in good faith. Citations might confirm/deny the latter two of the above list.
Persian Magi ( talk) 23:17, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
He holds Iranian and Amercian citizenship, I have added a source in which he hisemlf explains his citizneship status.-- 07fan ( talk) 06:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
The nationality issue has come up again. I have reverted, but I am not 100% sure whether I reverted to the correct nationality. I think people familiar with this area need to improve that aspect of this biog in order to put the matter to rest. John Vandenberg ( talk) 10:43, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Unverifiable claims? Saying he's a "former Iranian" is an Unverifiable claim. The man grew up in Iran, moved to US on an Iranian passport, and even after moving to US, lived and worked in US and traveled around the world as an Iranian for decades, and did not acquire an American citizenship until 1994, three years after he had retired, and there is no indication that he ever lost his Iranian citizenship. You are reinterpreting the source, making a straw man argument that he's not an Iranian all of sudden, based on what grammar tense he used in his interview, when he's never said I am a "former Iranian" or "I am no longer an Iranian". Regardless, I've added a 2005 BBC Persian interview [3] in which Lotfi Asker Zadeh is referred to and refers to himself as an Iranian. BBC is a reliable source.-- 07fan ( talk) 05:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't think this is a very serious issue, and I think this can be resolved by presenting proper sources. You are making claims about citizenship, so it is you who needs to contact Mr Lotfi Zade. I asked for a third opinion here: [5] I hope this will help to resolve the dispute. Grandmaster ( talk) 07:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Numerous sources on Google books refer to Zadeh as either Iranian or Iranian-American. [ [6]]. -- 07fan ( talk) 07:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
All the sources I have provided, and can be found on Google books, are verifiable, and refer to him as a national of Iran or an Iranian-American. So we're not just going to redfeine nationality and call him "Russian" or "Azerbaijani" national, just because you're refusing to accept WP:RS sources explicitly calling him an Iranian, or an Iranian-American, and have made an unsubstantiated assertion or claim that he's no longer an Iranian citizen. Meanwhile, I will try to get in touch with Lotfi Asker Zadeh who I've had the honor of meeting at several Iranian community events, to make a comment on this issue. I don't think he'll be very pleased that an editor on Wikipedia is calling him a "former Iranian" and reinterpreting his words as meaning he's no longer an Iranian. -- 07fan ( talk) 11:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Grandmaster, you are drawing all your conclusions from a sentence from Lotfi Zadeh: "I was an Iranian citizen". Even if he says "I am not an Iranian citizen anymore." That does not make him a non-Iranian. If you are an Iranian citizen, the only way to become non-Iranian is to formally denounce your citizenship. For example, even if he says in an interview that he is no longer an Iranian and goes to apply for a passport to Iran, in extreme politically motivated circumstances he might have a slight chance of legal ramifications, such as dealing with court etc., for the interview when he arrives in Iran but for acquiring the passport he will have no issues. He won't need to apply for Iranian citizenship as by default he is an Iranian citizen already. He does not have to be given Iranian citizenship.
It is also true if you go and do such interview tomorrow and say you no longer are an Azeri or American citizen. That does not deprive you from your citizenship. Your citizenship is an official status and can not be ruled out by your interview. Denouncing a citizenship has to be formal, in case of Iranian, and by voluntarily acquiring other citizenship, in case of some countries like Australia.
Therefore, we know he was an Iranian citizen. We also know that he has NOT denounced it neither verbally nor officially. So your conclusion of that simple statement is only speculative opinion of yours and not something of Wikipedia material.
Persian Magi (
talk)
23:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
The name he uses for his papers and books is Lotfi A. Zadeh, and he is best known with this name and this should be the title of this page. Alefbe ( talk) 21:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Consensus was to lose the middle name. A better case was made to use the middle initial rather then dropping it. If anyone feels strongly about dropping the middle initial, fell free to propose that move. But I think the move here should work. Vegaswikian ( talk) 19:54, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Lotfi Asker Zadeh →
Lotfi A. Zadeh — As per the suggestion made about a year ago, this is the name he publishes under, and the name he is best known by.
Beyond My Ken (
talk)
18:26, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
I wonder why some try to remove the part with his nationality and ethnicity and especially trying to say that he is not an Azeri but persian. Unfortunately this happens in many articles in wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.158.194.152 ( talk) 18:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Because it is a continued bone of contention, I have removed these entries entirely from the infobox. Please do not add nationality or ethnicity information to the infobox without a supporting citation from a reliable source. That includes adding "United States" to nationality -- even though I assume he has Americna citizenship, I don't know that for certain, and there is no source cited one way or the other. The information in the article itself seems admirably straightforward in its description of his background, but to add any ethnicity, we ought to have something that says what Zadeh himself considers it to be. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 10:16, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
I draw your attention to this discussion I have initiated on WP:ECCN. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 02:04, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, but you have not been specific at all. Could you clearly and concretely state 1) which of the sources I cited are not reliable or verifiable - and not just state, but cast a reasonable shadow of doubt; 2) show which terminology and words that I've used might be incorrect, factually or otherwise, and 3) which Wikipedia rules have I "violated" - not just re-cite WP:WEIGHT or others, but actually show, how did I supposedly "violate" any of it? The problem is that you cannot show any of that, whilst I've shown very clearly that it is in fact you, Beyond My Ken, who is violating multiple Wikipedia rules, all because you assumed bad faith from the outset, refused to compromise and reach consensus, engaged in constant reverts, asked your friends to help you out in doing that, engaged in original research, violated WP:WEIGHT, went contrary to WP:BLPREMOVE, suppressed reliable and verifiable sources about a living person - with that very living person tell you and everyone, directly, what he feels and thinks about himself, whilst being in his own office or in his own university's hall. -- Saygi1 ( talk) 22:23, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
If my "offense" is bolding text, then your offense is canvassing, engaging in original research, engaging in a revert war, removing verifiable and reliable sourced content, giving undue weight to sources you like and suppressing anything you don't like, treating a biography of a living person as your personal research paper, threatening me with admin action, and editing in bad faith. -- Saygi1 ( talk) 23:23, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
There is no need to mention his mother's religion. Moreover his father was Muslim. So, at first there is not any citable reference about the religion of Lotfi Zadeh! Second, his religion is not related to his father or mother, and if relate, why mother? and why not father?
I believe, there is no need to mention his religion.
Unfortunately according to this mistake information, we can see a classification of
Jewish scientists Jewish scientists with name of Lotfi Zadeh!?
Also the reference 4 is not good endorsement and it is only a website that it may publish mistake facts.
Which source? Source for a mistake information?! I wrote his mother is Jewish but its reference is not citable. Also there is not any source that say he is Jewish but it has been extracted in another page of wiki according to this page! see — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.27.200.230 ( talk) 14:39, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
What happened to the good photo that was on this page of Lotfi Zadeh? It's ok to add photos related to prizes etc, but why to get rid of a very good closeup photos of him and replace it with a fuzzy photo with two other people. It doesn't even show the prize. Please can you put the original photo back. Add yours if you wish - to show a contemporary photo at the time of the Barcelona Award. But please don't delete good photos. Thanks Gizgalasi ( talk) 02:11, 1 September 2013 (UTC)Gizgalasi
Creative Commons Deed
This is a human-readable summary of the full license below.You are free:
Under the following conditions:
With the understanding that:
|
So, the procedure here is to get Zadeh in touch with OTRS (or, if you have an e-mail from Zadeh, it may be enough to forward the e-mail to OTRS with Zadeh's e-mail address so they can verify it with him). Then once OTRS has a case number, the image can be uploaded. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 08:30, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Go to this link for the standard consent form. The type of license is CC-BY-SA. I know this all may appear to be a pain-in-the-neck, but its purpose is to protect Wikipedia from copyright problems. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 08:43, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Ok folks, let's have some discussion. Adding the Persian transliteration looks pretty uncontroversial, and we now have a source for it. What's the problem? Lesser Cartographies ( talk) 17:51, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi. Could someone tell me why all these "Azerbaijani scientists/Azerbaijani X" categories are added here, when so far no source has been presented that attests that he supposedly held Soviet Azerbaijani citizenship? Both of his parents were simply Iranian citizens living in the Azerbaijan SSR for some time, and this is sourced. Just the fact that he (Lotfi A. Zadeh) was born there in the SU and lived there for a few years doesn't mean that he actually held its citizenship. Such people are what we usually call expats, and unless someone can prove that he held Soviet citizenship, these categories are all unfortunately erroneous. Bests - LouisAragon ( talk) 18:29, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Lotfi Aliaskar Zade is not an Azerbaijani, and the place of birth is not nationality. even Azerbaijan Republic didn't exist at that time. So Iranian-Azeris do not use Latin script of Azerbaijan republic as their writing system, but Persian and sometimes English. Also at that time his parents were for reporting and their job. his mother was a Russian and his father an Iranian (Iranian-Azeri). for Iranian Azeris we only add the Persian name, in common situation, because the spelling and meaning is Persian, Such as Rambod Javan and Ali Daei or Ali Javan, Jafar Panahi, Ali Khamenei, Googoosh and etc. their names are completely Persian but ethnicity is not. We must only add the Persian or a Persian spelling near by the ethnic spelling. about Iranian Azeris and all Iranian people we must add Persian too. for example Al Pacino and Leonardo DiCaprio are Italian-Americans. if we add the ethnic spelling, we add the national language (Am English) spelling too. but his name, in this case is like Ali Daei and Rambod Javan, and the situation is like that. his name is not Turkic at all, but completely Persian. the origin of "Zade" (son of..son of lotfi) which is a Persian word, not Turkic/Azeri comes from "Zayesh", a Persian word which means "birth". Persian name needs Persian spelling . Also it is not common to add only ethnic spelling without common Persian spelling for Iranians.
Also the word "Lotfi" is a combination of Arabic word and Persian suffix which make a Perso-Arabic word with a Persian meaning and spelling. the letter "i" which appears in the word Bahai makes a different meaning with Arabic word, a different spelling too. not Turkic and not Arabic spelling I mean.
Hereby, I TheStrayDog add an expert user on Iran Wikiproject @ LouisAragon: and also an expert Iranian languages' linguist Mr. Hamid Hassani (@ Hamid Hassani:) to discuss here and resolve this problem permanently. thank you. The Stray Dog Talk Page 23:02, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
References
{{
cite web}}
: Missing or empty |title=
(
help)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Lotfi A. Zadeh. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 06:48, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
An Iranian government source is not a WP:RS. Please remove the last edit by Dorglorg until a reliable source confirms his death, it is a clear violation of BLP if not confirmed. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 00:19, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
I have protected this article for 2 days due to extendedconfirmed editors warring over reports of Zadeh's death. I haven't had time just yet to research the situation myself so I did not edit the article, but administrator Primefac has removed information about his supposed death. User Beyond My Ken has concerns over the reliability of the source(s?) reporting his death. Please discuss here. Ivanvector ( Talk/ Edits) 00:20, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
I'd like to know what makes these sources unreliable: http://www.ibna.ir/en/doc/naghli/250978/iranian-theorist-of-fuzzy-logic-dies http://www.ibna.ir/en/doc/naghli/250978/iranian-theorist-of-fuzzy-logic-dies Dorglorg ( talk) 00:28, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Which one of the used references says his father was an Iranian Azerbaijani? Could you guys shows me that source? How could a Russian Jewish woman married a Muslim?! Did his mother convert to Islam? -- 188.158.107.90 ( talk) 04:23, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Zadeh died on August 12 in San Francisco, CA. BBCLCD ( talk) 13:56, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
The German WP used the following ref: [10] As a former student of EECS at UC Berkeley I knew Prof. Zadeh. Therefore, I am interested to have a correct CV for him. BBCLCD ( talk) 16:15, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
In the categories, replace "2017 deaths" with "Living people" until a reliable source can be found. This is most likely collateral damage from the protection Anarcho-authoritarian ( talk) 14:58, 13 August 2017 (UTC) Anarcho-authoritarian ( talk) 14:58, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Lotfi A. Zadeh died on August 12, 2017. [1] Disha shur ( talk) 19:36, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Per WP:EGG, can the link to "the Shah" be changed to " Reza Shah". Shah was a title, and we would not say the American leader was "the President". In addition, the word "Shah" in and of itself has become associated in the English language with the last emperor, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Anarcho-authoritarian ( talk) 14:35, 14 August 2017 (UTC) Anarcho-authoritarian ( talk) 14:35, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
[11]. This is why PressTV is not a reliable source, They sinoply repeated the Tehran University report without checking it for themselves, as did all the other Iranian and Azerbaijaini outlets and sites. This is why we require that a reliable source verify a death before we report it. It's still possible that Zadeh may have died, but we wait for confirmation from a trusted source. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 15:30, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
I thanked her for responding. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 15:50, 14 August 2017 (UTC)Professor Zadeh is alive and well.
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
I was also wondering about the truth content of the news from the following sources: http://en.azvision.az/news/70497/azerbaijani-scientist,-father-of-fuzzy-logic-lotfi-zadeh-passes-away-.html http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/08/12/531553/iran-lofti-zadeh-fuzzy-logic Zimboras ( talk) 20:21, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Thanks for the protection.
The last edit before protection, by 5.197.118.181, changed the wording of a direct quote, from "Russia" to "Soviet Union". This needs to ne changed back. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 12:04, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Oh, come on. His official Facebook page, which firmly denied his death in August, has already announced plans for burial and the news were reported on it 8 hours ago! If no Western newspaper/agency is interested in it does not mean he's alive; this time it is clear he is really dead. -- Folengo ( talk) 14:17, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Ah, how fuzzy anyway!-- Folengo ( talk) 14:32, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Is this enough?-- Folengo ( talk) 16:28, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
El Pais obituary and ABC.es obituary. I think that's definitely enough.-- Folengo ( talk) 16:36, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Can someone confirm if he died and update this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.5.79.66 ( talk) 11:29, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
El Pais obituary and ABC.es obituary. I think that's definitely enough.-- Folengo ( talk) 16:40, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
El País is the biggest newspaper in Spain. Why would they lie about it or write about it without knowing it's really happened? You are being too conservative now, if his Facebook page has not been hacked (and it has not been hacked) we only needed some respected newspaper to write a decent obit. El Pais wrote it. It's respectable as Guardian or BBC, I don't see the point of waiting for an US based obit. Zadeh is dead. That's what matters.-- 79.24.120.126 ( talk) 18:07, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
This news has been circulating for over 14 hours in over a dozen outlets and hasn't been disputed by anyone. His Facebook page is saying it's true, even the president of his country has mentioned it. This is obviously true, now add his death. Dorglorg ( talk) 19:00, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
It's clear he is dead. Let's put the date on, then we will remove it if reports are withdrawn, which won't happen. There's his official Facebook page, every news site of Azerbaijan, El Pais (!) and ABC and you still don't buy it. Oh, come on, it is not so strange to die at 96!-- Folengo ( talk) 19:09, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Oddly specific details. Also when has whether or not the country he lived in publishes anything about it been the deciding factor if the news is true or not? The first news of Michael Cimino's Death were from French outlets and he died in LA. It's nonsensical to downplay family friends words in reliable sources just because it's not a US source. Rusted AutoParts 19:30, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Caspian News reporting it too. -- 79.24.120.126 ( talk) 19:34, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Lotfi A Zadeh has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please see my comment above. Beyond My Ken ( talk) 20:07, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Perfect. By the way, here's El Periodico obituary-- Folengo ( talk) 20:17, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Here is UC Berkeley reporting his passing away: [12] -- denny vrandečić ( talk) 20:38, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Lotfi A. Zadeh. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 10:23, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Lotfi A. Zadeh. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 02:20, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Owing to Dr. Zadeh's unfortunate death, as he never mentioned any denouncement over his Iranian citizenship or nationality, I added his nationality as " Iranian-American" based on Iranian law of citizenship ( here). Per many discussions (above) in this talk-page, there was found no evidence that he denounced his Iranian passport. Based on Iranian law who his father and/or mother is Iranian is automatically and unconditionally Iranian either. He was brought up in Iran and educated at Iranian University of Tehran. Thereafter he left Iran in Pahlavi era (Imperial Iran) for America. Also as we know the passport law of Imperial Gov. of Iran never let citizens leave the country without Iranian passport. Please do not change this edit unless you bring any kind of reference against he was not Iranian. Thanks. The Stray Dog Talk Page 23:05, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
According to Persian and Azeri data (including epitaph on his tombstone), his first name was Lotfali. Therefore "Lotfali Aliasker Zadeh" seems to be rational as his birth name. محمد إسلامي 0711 ( talk) 21:01, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
He's from Azerbaijan not İran 2A00:F41:1C2F:F472:491A:66BF:2D2B:6B34 ( talk) 16:01, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Not Iranian-American, Azerbaijani-American. He was an Azerbaijani scientist as is obvious from the place of birth: Baku - the capital of Azerbaijan. 5.197.247.21 ( talk) 16:15, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
The US was not involved in the invasion, which took place in the late summer 1941 and lasted into the fall. The US was a non-participant until Dec. 1941. I trust I don't need a cite for that? (As for the invasion, it has a page.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C6:4300:6EE0:C57B:CDED:A88C:51DB ( talk) 03:45, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
Lotfi A. Zadeh was half Iranian and half Jewish, but certainly not from the so-called "Republic of Azerbaijan." This is unacceptable rewriting of history. Azerbaijan is Iran!