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Rather unbalanced. Buckets of praise. My guess is that most people know her because 'Have I got News for You' regularly show those odd speech snippets about cheese imports and opening up new pork markets. Surely warrants a mention. 78.151.65.80 ( talk) 22:59, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved per MOS:IDENTITY concerns and apparent mixed usage in RS. No such user ( talk) 13:17, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
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her wesbite is elizabethtruss.com, she identifies herself as Liz Truss throughout "I'm Liz Truss, Member of Parliament for South West Norfolk..." , ditto for her
Twitter profile too. And pretty much every single news story refers to her as Liz, and not Elizabeth.
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The discussion has closed prematurely, and I am not going to disagree, but just to note that the Parliament website still says that she is to be addressed as "Elizabeth Truss". Perhaps she has forgotten to change that? Or perhaps she uses "Elizabeth" in formal contexts, and "Liz" in informal contexts? So, I suppose Wikipedia uses an informal register, like? 213.205.198.253 ( talk) 08:50, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
https://www.politico.eu/article/liz-truss-britain-new-iron-lady-uk-conservatives/ Go Phightins ! 11:21, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
So she's the first woman to be Lord Chancellor, if you don't count the previous woman to be Lord Chancellor. Is there any reason to not count her? This is in reference to the beginning of the fourth paragraph of the lead at time of writing. I'm hesitant to make the change because I'm wondering if the distinction is somehow justified. 108.174.175.69 ( talk) 01:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
…it says: “She is the first female Conservative Foreign Secretary and second British Foreign Secretary.” I understand the first phrase, but the second one makes no sense to me at all. Boscaswell talk 04:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Leadership. It is important to mark her appointment within the Era of the monarch she she swore allegiance was to. In this case Elizabeth II. 2600:100C:B23E:9D1A:C5A3:5B4D:6BF1:60BC ( talk) 15:11, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
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Foreign Secretary (...-present), last para beginning "On 10 February 2021, Truss met with her Russian counterpart" should read: On 10 February 2022 Geschichtsburo ( talk) 00:54, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Is this information with this citation alright to include on the page?
On 5 April 2022, it was revealed that Truss was among 405 MPs who have charged energy bills to the public purse by claiming expenses for their heating bills since April 2019. The investigation revealed that Truss had claimed £1,548 for gas and electricity since April 2019. [1] Helper201 ( talk) 16:56, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
"liz truss" electricity gas
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Summoned by bot)without evidence of wider coverage.. MPs are allowed to claim any 'additional' expenses they incur if they need to operate a home near Westminster, in addition to any home they have further away. The fact of her having actually claimed -relatively modest- heating and lighting costs has attracted almost zero public/press attention. This in not in the same league as the expenses scandal of about 10/15 years ago, where both the spirit and letter of the rules (and laws?) was broken and very substantial sums were claimed on frivolous or dubious things all of which received very widespread press coverage. Unsurprisingly, Truss's keeping moderately warm has received very little coverage. Pincrete ( talk) 14:36, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
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Can someone please reinstate the Liz Truss affair information. Someone keeps removing this. Only fair the public knows this. 212.36.171.154 ( talk) 12:41, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
@ Toddst1: concerning your edit. The birthdate is in the source if you click on the archived link in the ref. Triggerhippie4 ( talk) 13:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Liz Truss was born Mary Elizabeth Truss and that is what the article should state, just like James Keir Hardie, James Gordon Brown, Arthur Neville Chamberlain, etc. It’s not that uncommon for someone to use his or her middle name.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/29/liz-truss-cheese-karaoke-10-things-you-may-not-know
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58575895.amp
The FreeDMB shows a record for a Mary Elizabeth Truss.
There’s really no issue here so I don’t know why some people are trying to create a problem. FriendlyFerret9854 ( talk) 17:50, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Please use the existing heading on her name here on Talk. There is no need for this separate one. Regards, Billsmith60 ( talk) 22:00, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
<nowiki>I added relevant information to her personal life section, with citations from reputable third-party news sources, which describes the affair she had for 18 months with Tory MP Mark Field. This was removed without explanation. This info is on Field's wikipedia for example. What reason is there to preclude this pertinent and relevant information from her currently admittedly extremely short biographical section in 'Personal life'? Irishpolitical ( talk) 14:34, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
I think that a brief mention, not necessarily in its own paragraph, is warranted. Bellowhead678 ( talk) 20:48, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Surely it should be non-controversial to allow repetition, in the "personal life" section, of what is stated in the "political career" section?Evidently, based on the good faith contributions here and reverts to the article, it seemingly is controversial to repeat this in the personal life section. The editors who are opposed to doing so cite the 2014 and 2013 BLPN discussions for where this consensus emerged.
An editor has again placed the content in the "Personal life" section. I agreed with points that JamesHawkes0161 and TwistedSnowflake made. I think mentioning the affair once in the article is sufficient and repetition in another section doesn't seem essential. With regard to the point "Many readers may skip directly to the 'Personal life' section and be surprised to find no coverage at all there" – the former PM John Major had a four-year extramarital affair with Conservative MP Edwina Currie which created a large amount of news coverage when the affair was revealed. But the affair is not currently mentioned in the "Personal life" section of the WP article on Major. It's only given one sentence in the "Early parliamentary career (1979–1987)" section of Major's article. So if readers don't find coverage of the affair that Truss had in the "Personal life" section, I think they would have the intelligence to look at other sections if they are keen to see the content about the affair. Kind Tennis Fan ( talk) 00:08, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
No, it's not hidden. This discussion topic has addressed this matter at length. The affair is mentioned twice, in the career and personal life sections. It doesn't go into the Intro., and I'm no Truss supporter Billsmith60 ( talk) 18:20, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
What does this minor constituency matter have to do with her political positions on environmental policy? It might warrant a mention in an article on the factory, if one were created, but it certainly has nothing to do with environmental policies or Truss's politics. For example there's no indication that any change to the definition of a statutory nuisance under the Environmental Protection Act 1990 was contemplated. This paragraph should simply be deleted. ---- Pontificalibus 08:53, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
Liz Truss is referred to regularly by the Guardian's Parliamentary sketch writer John Crace as 'Radon Liz'(i.e. as a nickname). I accessed the Wikipedia article to find out what this refers to but there is no mention of it whatever that I can see. 88.107.17.198 ( talk) 06:35, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
She is now PM - should there be a mention on the Main Page ITN - and should there be a measure of page protection for a few days? Jackiespeel ( talk) 14:25, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Boris has resigned, so Truss is no longer Foreign Sec/Equalities Minister. 195.89.72.19 ( talk) 11:11, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
How did she accrue an 8.4 million pound fortune ? 185.69.144.27 ( talk) 13:08, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Ayanda 185.69.144.27 ( talk) 13:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Water pollution 185.69.144.27 ( talk) 13:10, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Personal worth. 185.69.144.27 ( talk) 13:14, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
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Liz Truss is no longer incumbent as foreign secretary as of becoming Prime Minister. The position is vacant and therefore the information under her picture should he edited as such. Timceharris ( talk) 13:34, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Gas 185.69.144.27 ( talk) 13:11, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Is the newly created Hugh O'Leary article about Liz Truss's husband warranted? I don't think so. I think it should be nominated for deletion. 2A02:2F0F:B0FF:FFFF:0:0:6463:C62E ( talk) 22:29, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Should there be an Electoral History section on Liz Truss article ?
Should the Electoral History section on Liz Truss article contain the result tables (as shown in this revision) on "General election"? Note : There is a forked page Electoral history of Liz Truss ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
No: for the same reasons as outlined by Spy-cicle. Also to keep the article to a manageable size Billsmith60 ( talk) 16:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
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Add "March" next to 2022 in her infobox caption. This is from the same year she would go on to be pm, but it was before she began her tenure today. Iamoutofusernameideas ( talk) 12:01, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Should the Electoral History section on Liz Truss article contain the result table (as shown in this revision) about "2022 Conservative Party leadership election"? Note : There is a forked page Electoral history of Liz Truss ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
In 'Professional career', a citation is asked for. Finding her saying all the things in that sentence might be difficult. On the website 'ConservativeHome' there is a list of articles from 2008 that show her views. However, ConservativeHome is described as a blog, though these articles are more than blog entries. The Reform site linked to no longer exists. https://conservativehome.com/tag/elizabeth-truss/page/2/ Richard Nowell ( talk) 09:56, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
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Add a by whom? tag in front of "described" in this sentence: "Truss has been described as having a "hawkish" foreign policy stance towards China and Russia and has called for Britain to reduce economic dependency on both countries." Dialmayo ( talk) ( Contribs) Please ping me when replying. 16:16, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3191166/will-liz-truss-live-hawkish-language-china-if-she-becomes-britains-next and The Asian Times: https://asiatimes.com/2022/09/uks-truss-likely-to-pick-a-fight-with-china describing her as such. Richard Nowell ( talk) 18:49, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
I've changed Liz to Elizabeth, as per her official MP page – unless policies dictate otherwise? Please revise if this is the case Billsmith60 ( talk) 21:21, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
I see that I was incorrect to use 'Elizabeth Truss MP' as per WP:COMMONNAME – 'Liz' is correct, in accordance with policy Billsmith60 ( talk) 13:57, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Liz Truss is not, as stated in the lede, the "Prime Minister-elect". There is no such thing, officially, unofficially, or otherwise. She is the newly elected leader of the Conservative Party and she is expected to be invited to form a government tomorrow, 6 September. Until then, she is the party leader and Foreign Secretary, nothing more. 212.221.110.6 ( talk) 11:47, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Neither is she the Prime Minister-designate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.221.110.6 ( talk) 11:48, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
The most accurate way to describe the status would be "presumptive incoming Prime Minister". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.24.235 ( talk) 15:09, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
I feel this is too vague and it should be updated to the exact day. /info/en/?search=User:EmilePersaud 18:38, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. /info/en/?search=User:EmilePersaud 19:27, 6 September 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilePersaud ( talk • contribs)
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Change "Truss" to "Sus" 89.204.135.250 ( talk) 22:17, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
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22:43, 5 September 2022 (UTC)I have read that she was born Mary but was always called by her middle name Elizabeth. Does anyone know anything more about this? 77.98.160.139 ( talk) 17:20, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not regard the Daily Mail as a reliable source Billsmith60 ( talk) 10:48, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
It doesn't matter. That paper is not a reliable source Billsmith60 ( talk) 21:52, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
So why did you go ahead and unilaterally change the article to "Elizabeth' instead of leaving M E Truss till the matter is resolved? Am I missing domething here? Billsmith60 ( talk) 17:55, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Fair enough 👍 Billsmith60 ( talk) 19:49, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
-- FriendlyFerret9854 ( talk) 17:22, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Five-year-old Liz Truss had a complaint to make on her first day at school. Each of the new pupils had been allotted a name-badge in the shape of a fish to pin on to their jumpers. Liz’s parents had christened her Mary – which was the name on her badge – but at home she was always known by her middle name, Elizabeth. ‘I was just aghast… [I thought] how can you do that to me?’ She marched up to the teacher and told her this was not an acceptable state of affairs. Did the teacher give her a new badge? ‘Of course,’ Liz says now, as if it should have been obvious that no other outcome would have been acceptable. There is a short pause. She glances down at a wilting plate of padron peppers she has just ordered for lunch. ‘I think I just wrote on the back of the other badge.’ https://www.you.co.uk/liz-truss-interview-2019/
Proquest returns 35 results for "Mary Elizabeth Truss" and 19 for "Elizabeth Mary Truss". Some of them are duplicates (and include the Daily Mail) – not definitive. EddieHugh ( talk) 17:51, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
I've added a note to a duplicate talk item here to use this existing thread ‐ otherwise it'll be very difficult to keep track of 'consensus'. In the meantime, I've noted not to use the diminutive form of her name. Perhaps others could keep an eye on this in the article. Regards, Billsmith60 ( talk) 22:04, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
I've gone through this thread and it is very clear that no existing source can be relied on. I believe that, as 'FriendlyFerret' stresses, she is indeed 'M.E. Truss' and uses her second name as many do. I'm trying Tory Central Office (to ask her private office) and will let an administrator see any email reply I receive. However, until – and indeed if – a definitive source of that reliability is found, I recommend keeping the article as it now reads with 'EddieHugh's' helpful note. Regards, Billsmith60 ( talk) 11:06, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
On the contrary, this debate does indeed reflect well on Wikipedia: the article would have been inaccurate without it and the specific research done. Now that the correct Free BMD record has been identified by the above post (and not the 'System Error' I saw previously), I believe that we can change the article to "Mary Elizabeth Truss" with a note to that particular source. Definitely, an index document shows that a 'Mary Elizabeth Truss', born from July-Sep 1975 to a mother previously called 'Grasby' [a great Yorkshire name!], was registered in Oxford. There has been no response to my query sent to the Tory Party or Truss' Westminster office. I'll leave changing the text to "EddieHugh" or another editor that, like me, required a stronger source. Her mother's maiden name of Grasby should also be updated. Regards, Billsmith60 ( talk) 10:47, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
If that's the case, then remove that source yourself. It provides a copy of the original report by the registrar of births, confirming 'Mary Elizabeth Truss' and that her mother was Grasby. Is the latter document of no consequence because of its provenance? Whats to stop an editor from uploading it to Commons and merely citing it? Billsmith60 ( talk) 23:09, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Just to add some more information. On Ancestry.com I searched for birth registrations under the name "MARY ELIZABETH TRUSS" and found an entry in Oxford which was the only entry for ANY Truss that quarter (Jul, Aug, Sept) in the England & Wales Civil Registration Birth Index. The mother's name is registered as Grasby. The District is Oxford, volume 20, page 2898. The source citation to use is "General Register Office; United Kingdom; Volume: 20; Page: 2898" I have added that to the main page although I am rusty with WP after almost a decade out of using it so I hope I got the cite right. It add a reliable and authoritative source so I hope that helps. Candy ( talk) 10:54, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Change the term “passed away” under the ‘Appointment’ subsection to “died”. Passed away is explicitly listed as a term to avoid on WP:EUPHEMISM. 2A00:23C7:DA0B:3901:A054:6361:A26:8A2 ( talk) 21:07, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
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Please change the first sentence of this article from, "Mary Elizabeth Truss (born 26 July 1975)[1][2] is a British politician who has served as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Leader of the Conservative Party since 6 September 2022, and as Member of Parliament (MP) for South West Norfolk since 2010." to "Mary Elizabeth Truss (born 26 July 1975)[1][2] is a British politician who is serving as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Leader of the Conservative Party since 6 September 2022, and as Member of Parliament (MP) for South West Norfolk since 2010." It should be in the present tense. 202.140.62.212 ( talk) 06:12, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Her majority is 26,195 (50.9%), not 35,507 (69.0%). The latter represents her votes and vote share, not majority. 2A04:4A43:500F:EDC7:6583:3462:2845:7094 ( talk) 11:19, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
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Please change the first sentence of this article from, "Mary Elizabeth Truss (born 26 July 1975)[1][2] is a British politician who is the current Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Leader of the Conservative Party, positions she has held since 6 and 5 September 2022 respectively." to, "Mary Elizabeth Truss (born 26 July 1975)[1][2] is a British politician who is the current Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Leader of the Conservative Party, positions she holds since 6 and 5 September 2022 respectively.". It should be in the present tense.— 2405:204:570C:D779:0:0:1770:A8B1 ( talk) 18:13, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Not done: "has held" is present tense.
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Article WP:CFORK was created without discussion. Both are short articles. Following the WP:PAGESIZE rules, a separate electoral history article is not needed for Liz Truss. So the new fork should be merged here. Venkat TL ( talk) 15:46, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose I was in the middle of drafting the electoral history article when I saw that User:Spy-cicle had created it. Having an electoral history article for heads of state/prime ministers seems quite normal on WP. Agree with others that the Liz Truss article will be long enough already. It probably doesn’t need any ‘Electoral history’ content, other than to point people towards the standalone article. TrottieTrue ( talk) 18:22, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
This section could do with updating. Aapart from the Northen Ireland section, the rest isn't relevant to the UK. The Heritage Foundation is based in the USA.
In 2021, Truss voted to decriminalise abortion in Northern Ireland and abstained from voting on the introduction of "buffer zones" outside of abortion clinics. As minister of women and equalities, she faced criticism from the British Pregnancy Advisory Service (BPAS) for ignoring demands to publicly denounce the overruling of Roe v. Wade in the United States, and the BPAS stated Truss had a "pattern of abstention when it comes to the issue of abortion." In 2019, she spoke with The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank that is anti-abortion.[189] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.114.104 ( talk) 12:44, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
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Jothsp123 ( talk) 22:16, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Please grant me access to this article
Le Pen is described as being far right why isn’t Truss—??? Far that matter Nigel Farage as well?? 2A04:4A43:46EF:F17C:B413:9AED:10F6:9D57 ( talk) 13:23, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
This needs to mention about Liz Truss being transphobic 94.0.72.146 ( talk) 17:05, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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I think we should move this article from Liz Truss to Elizabeth Truss since her official MP profile says, Elizabeth Truss. Please share your consensus on this so I can decide whether to move the page or not. RayAdvait ( talk) 13:37, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
I agree with RayAdvith because Liz isn't really her name.Her name is Elizabeth Trusted.Her real name is not Liz Truss. Joevaneshaan Ravan ( talk) 13:41, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
OPPOSE As it is now abundantly clear after two weeks (7-20 September) that there is no consensus on this proposal, can someone mark it as "failed" and close the discussion? Regards, Billsmith60 ( talk) 20:51, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
This new section is out of place and isn't right for this article. Could we please have an admin view on this matter before it becomes an edit war? Thanks very much.
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User HJ Mitchell's approach is one I would follow. Moreover, I see no justification for this new item, even if properly sourced, having a subtitle or subsection of its own. Regards, Billsmith60 ( talk) 23:37, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Politicians meet people and organisations all the time. It's part of the job. Some of these meetings get reported. That's not enough to mention them in this article. What's the justification for including these? There's coverage of her meeting, for instance, Democrat Richard Neal (quick examples: [7], [8], but I see no strong reason to mention these either. EddieHugh ( talk) 18:22, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
According to recent reports in the British press (e.g. Independent, Wales Online), dissatisfied Tory MPs have already submitted letters of no-confidence in Truss to the chairman of the Conservative party's 1922 Committee. This must surely be a record and merits mention in the article.
The Wales Online article includes the following: "An ex-minister in Boris Johnson’s government told Sky political news editor Agnes Chambre on Monday (26 Sep 2022) that some MPs have already sent letters of no confidence to 1922 Committee chairman Sir Graham Brady. For a confidence vote to be triggered, 54 letters would need to be sent. The former minister told Sky: "Liz is f*****... You cannot have monetary policy and fiscal policy at loggerheads. Something has to give... They are already putting letters in as [they] think she will crash the economy." -- TraceyR ( talk) 18:25, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Why is her degree not mentioned anywhere? All we get is “she graduated”. 87.75.101.5 ( talk) 17:13, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
The section "Personal Life" reads: "Her marriage with O'Leary survived the affair, but Field's broke down, and his wife cited his adultery with Truss in their divorce."
The part "but Field's broke down, and his wife cited his adultery with Truss in their divorce" (which was recently added) must be removed, because it implies that Truss's affair with Field had a major role and was directly responsible for Field's divorce. According to the source which broke the affair news first: "But the marriage [of Field and his wife] had been in trouble for some time and the couple had been drifting apart anyway at the time of his affair." [9] This has already been discussed above in the section about the affair. Even if it were true, it is WP:UNDUE since Truss's affair is relevant primarily in the context of her deselection process, not in the context of her private life and certainly not in the context of Field's private life. I want to point out that there is not even consensus to have the affair in the private life section (see again the discussion above). See Talk:Liz_Truss#Extramarital_Affair. 2A02:2F0F:B2FF:FFFF:0:0:6463:D0EC ( talk) 10:05, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
The part "but Field's broke down, and his wife cited his adultery with Truss in their divorce" (which was recently added) must be removed IamVinn011 ( talk) 01:40, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
This is not just disrespectful towards her but also readers may not want to know their leader's personal life. Let her inspire millions of women out there and it is unnecessary to publish someone's personal life here. IamVinn011 ( talk) 01:42, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
according to Dave Renton: https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2022/09/06/liz-trusss-two-weeks-in-the-socialist-worker-student-society/ 86.151.52.174 ( talk) 15:16, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
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Liz truss was not economic director at C&W she was an account manager 84.71.182.71 ( talk) 19:09, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
If the article mentions 'a multibillion pound package to cap average household energy bills at £2,500 per year' it should also include the other effects of the mini-budget of which that was a part and which have attracted the most national and international attention. Consequences include the lowest pound-to-dollar exchange rate for 70 year and a response from the IMF that is normally reserved for small / third world-countries. (The internet is full of references, including from the most reputable international economic sources). Omitting these major effect of the mini-budget and cherry-picking the positive energy cap omits the main international response and gives a biased version of the effect. Truss has repeatedly said that she is making the 'right decisions', in contrast to the most authoritative world economists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.227.60 ( talk) 20:50, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
This article gives no hint of her popularity level or why it is what it is. -- Jibal ( talk) 23:36, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Why is it impossible to find out what class of degree Liz Truss was awarded? I assume it was a lower second or a third as it is not listed anywhere? Sara McKenzie 2A00:23C4:562E:5F01:21C3:B8DF:CB9E:A3FA ( talk) 16:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
I think this is worth a mention in the lead, per the lead of Gordon Brown's article stating he was the last Labour leader and PM under the late Queen. 79.66.82.129 ( talk) 11:40, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
She has resigned 2A02:C7C:52D2:E600:4402:6A9D:B203:FE21 ( talk) 12:37, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Not yet but it's rumoured. Amatama ( talk) 12:38, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
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former prime minister 81.128.152.226 ( talk) 12:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
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change Prime Minister of the United Kingdom to Former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Thatcatisabrit ( talk) 12:54, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
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Former Prime Minister... she resigned 25gshaw ( talk) 13:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
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Change is and current prefix as she is resigning as prime minster to past tense and also include how short Deathwing87 ( talk) 12:47, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Requesting subsection "Resignation" to be edited to "Liz Truss officially announced her resignation as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom after 45 days in office on 20 October 2022. In doing so, she became the shortest undisputed serving British Prime Minister in history. She will remain as Prime Minister until a successor is elected within the Conservative Party." Original phrasing makes it seem her term has already ended when it wasn't. (Or at least not yet) SBS6577P ( talk) 12:56, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
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On oct.20, Liz truss resigned.Let me change, or you can.-- Brady 336 ( talk) 13:17, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Can a section, or photo of the Daily Star lettuce be added? Image has been seen around the world. 88.97.108.45 ( talk) 14:24, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Already discussed in thread above. 205.239.40.3 ( talk) 14:59, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Merged on 22 October 2022
FYI, List of international prime ministerial trips made by Liz Truss ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been proposed to be merged into Premiership of Liz Truss ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). For the discussion, see talk:Premiership of Liz Truss -- 65.92.247.226 ( talk) 16:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Merged on 22 October 2022
FYI, List of departures from the Truss ministry ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been proposed to be merged into Truss ministry ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). For the discussion, see talk:Truss ministry -- 65.92.247.226 ( talk) 16:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Changing details to include her resignation. 78.101.144.216 ( talk) 15:35, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
I am noting here that the article about her father, John Truss, will need to be updated to indicate that she is the "former" Prime Minister once she actually leaves office and her successor begins. – Kekki1978 ( talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 16:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Is it correct that Truss is still leader of the Conservative Party? The page source has a comment saying she remains leader until the new one is elected, but is that actually true? I would have thought that given her resignation the post is vacant. Regards, Anameofmyveryown ( talk) 13:16, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
The tabloid Daily Star has set up a live feed of an unrefrigerated iceberg next to a photo of Truss. "Which wet lettuce will last longer?," it asked in a Twitter post showing the feed that had garnered over 50,000 likes in its first five hours online. Reuters, New York Magazine, The Express. 86.188.121.92 ( talk) 19:00, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
If this section remains, it should at least be edited to accurately credit the initial idea coming from The Economist on 11 Oct 2022: https://www.economist.com/leaders/2022/10/11/liz-truss-has-made-britain-a-riskier-bet-for-bond-investors and credit give to The Daily Star for the livestream. 132.183.13.76 ( talk) 16:10, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
No. Also, the Daily Star is not a reliable source for anything Billsmith60 ( talk) 16:22, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
The links provided to support this section were The Guardian, Washington Post and Reuters. Yes, they were referring to the fact that the Daily Star had done the livestream, but it was equally as much about drawing attention to the cost of basic food items - as a direct result of Truss's economic policies - as it was a publicity stunt. This is why I believed it to be relevant to the article, and listed credible news sources that also cited this as being relevant to her resignation MrPaperwings ( talk) 18:28, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
If it's relevant enough to warrant its own Wikipedia article ( Daily Star lettuce), why isn't it relevant enough for inclusion here? 31.205.5.237 ( talk) 18:24, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
It is now mentioned, but not distastefully after my slimming it down, in the Resignation section Billsmith60 ( talk) 21:47, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
But I see people are insisting on sensationalism Billsmith60 ( talk) 22:07, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Technically Truss is still PM, and no-one knows for sure how long her tenure will last, per Wikipedia:CRYSTAL I think it may be premature to describe her as the 'shortest serving', but per common sense; there is practically no way she can remain PM for 120 days to avoid ultimately becoming the shortest serving. She has given a 1 week deadline for her replacement. Short of full-scale war breaking out between now and then she's as good as gone.
I think that she will become the shortest serving is fine in the body but should stay off the lead at this time until it actually happens. Thoughts?
JeffUK ( talk) 13:18, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Let's wait until she hands in her resignation to the king. GoodDay ( talk) 23:04, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
FYI, Trussonomics ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been proposed to be merged into Liz Truss#Economics. For the discussion, see Talk:Trussonomics. aismallard ( talk) 00:25, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
Trussonomics ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) currently redirects here. Wouldn't it be better to point to Premiership of Liz Truss, where Trussonomics brought her down, or September 2022 United Kingdom mini-budget, where it was implemented? -- 65.92.247.226 ( talk) 15:19, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
NOTE the redirect was overwritten by DRAFT:Trussonomics (the subject of a round-robin swap), a few hours after I started this discussion. Trussonomics is now a stub article -- 65.92.247.226 ( talk) 04:40, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
As was the case when Boris Johnson resigned, there appears to be a slow-paced edit war around whether the infobox should list Truss as "outgoing". [12] [13] [14] Do we actually have a consensus around whether or not she should be listed as "outgoing"? I can't see an agreement either way, though I've seen some editors (including in the Talk:Boris Johnson archives) who say it should remain as "incumbent". — Czello 11:56, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
Is the BBC News source reliable enough to have her name as Mary Elizabeth Truss? Both the letters patent appointing her as a Treasury Commissioner and Crown Office lists of members returned at the last election have it as Elizabeth Mary Truss. When she was Justice Secretary and commissions were used for prorogation, her name was read out as Elizabeth Mary too. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/4189711 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/3454492 1234567jack ( talk) 11:28, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
Issue has been discussed at length on here. See Old versions. M.E. Truss is correct Billsmith60 ( talk) 13:16, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
the caretaker link takes you to a disambiguation of "Caretaker"
shouldn't it direct straight to this? /info/en/?search=Caretaker_government BeefsteakMaters ( talk) 15:13, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
HurricaneHiggins, to support
this edit of yours, can you please quote from the cited source where it supports the assertion that On 20 October,... she announced her resignation as prime minister..."
. Remember that neither headlines nor sub headlines are considered to be part of a reliable source per
WP:HEADLINE. I've read it over and over, and watched her full announcement
here, and did not notice her say that. She said (from ~ 1:04 ) I have therefore spoken to His Majesty the King to notify him that I am resigning as leader of the Conservative Party
and (from ~ 1:35) I will remain as prime minister until a successor has been chosen
. I think the best we can say is On 20 October, after 44 days in office, she announced her resignation as leader of the Conservative Party and that she will continue as prime minister until a successor is chosen
. --
DeFacto (
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09:59, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
News headlines—including subheadlines—are not a reliable source. If the information is supported by the body of the source, then cite it from the body. -- DeFacto ( talk). 10:52, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
After 44 days in office, she announced on 20 October her resignation as leader of the Conservative Party and said that she will continue as prime minister until a successor is chosen. All the sources I've seen say both those things. -- DeFacto ( talk). 11:20, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
p is not an abbreviation of percent in any style guide or language. Someone is putting their personal preferences into this language please revert it to standard English. Bob10011001 ( talk) 22:31, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
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She should be credited as the UKs shortest lived Prime Minister as that is now a fact 2A02:C7F:D089:6E00:612E:6AF7:B88E:9D1B ( talk) 13:55, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
In the section for Cabinet, an instance of the word “dismissed” is used.
“This was the case for just 38 days before she dismissed Kwarteng and replaced him with Jeremy Hunt.[185][186]”
Then in the section below it, “Domestic Policies”, the word “sacked” is used for the same effect “dismissed” was used in the previous section.
“ She later reversed the cut in corporation tax and sacked Kwarteng, replacing him with Jeremy Hunt on 14 October.[202]”
Obviously one of these words needs to be the same as the other just for basic consistency. In my opinion I would use the word “dismissed” in this case just because it can be more formal and specific, while “sacked” could almost be slang. 69.1.238.179 ( talk) 11:30, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Why is she listed in the infobox as only having one parent? I know that she is a bit weird, but really she did have a mother too. Bagunceiro ( talk) 14:18, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
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Rather unbalanced. Buckets of praise. My guess is that most people know her because 'Have I got News for You' regularly show those odd speech snippets about cheese imports and opening up new pork markets. Surely warrants a mention. 78.151.65.80 ( talk) 22:59, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved per MOS:IDENTITY concerns and apparent mixed usage in RS. No such user ( talk) 13:17, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Elizabeth Truss →
Liz Truss – Per
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the Telegraph,
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Farmers Weekly,
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the Express. For the same reason we use '
Bill Clinton' not 'William Jefferson Clinton'.
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WP:COMMONNAME is Liz Truss. While
her wesbite is elizabethtruss.com, she identifies herself as Liz Truss throughout "I'm Liz Truss, Member of Parliament for South West Norfolk..." , ditto for her
Twitter profile too. And pretty much every single news story refers to her as Liz, and not Elizabeth.
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The discussion has closed prematurely, and I am not going to disagree, but just to note that the Parliament website still says that she is to be addressed as "Elizabeth Truss". Perhaps she has forgotten to change that? Or perhaps she uses "Elizabeth" in formal contexts, and "Liz" in informal contexts? So, I suppose Wikipedia uses an informal register, like? 213.205.198.253 ( talk) 08:50, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
https://www.politico.eu/article/liz-truss-britain-new-iron-lady-uk-conservatives/ Go Phightins ! 11:21, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
So she's the first woman to be Lord Chancellor, if you don't count the previous woman to be Lord Chancellor. Is there any reason to not count her? This is in reference to the beginning of the fourth paragraph of the lead at time of writing. I'm hesitant to make the change because I'm wondering if the distinction is somehow justified. 108.174.175.69 ( talk) 01:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
…it says: “She is the first female Conservative Foreign Secretary and second British Foreign Secretary.” I understand the first phrase, but the second one makes no sense to me at all. Boscaswell talk 04:17, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Leadership. It is important to mark her appointment within the Era of the monarch she she swore allegiance was to. In this case Elizabeth II. 2600:100C:B23E:9D1A:C5A3:5B4D:6BF1:60BC ( talk) 15:11, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
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Foreign Secretary (...-present), last para beginning "On 10 February 2021, Truss met with her Russian counterpart" should read: On 10 February 2022 Geschichtsburo ( talk) 00:54, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Is this information with this citation alright to include on the page?
On 5 April 2022, it was revealed that Truss was among 405 MPs who have charged energy bills to the public purse by claiming expenses for their heating bills since April 2019. The investigation revealed that Truss had claimed £1,548 for gas and electricity since April 2019. [1] Helper201 ( talk) 16:56, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
"liz truss" electricity gas
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Summoned by bot)without evidence of wider coverage.. MPs are allowed to claim any 'additional' expenses they incur if they need to operate a home near Westminster, in addition to any home they have further away. The fact of her having actually claimed -relatively modest- heating and lighting costs has attracted almost zero public/press attention. This in not in the same league as the expenses scandal of about 10/15 years ago, where both the spirit and letter of the rules (and laws?) was broken and very substantial sums were claimed on frivolous or dubious things all of which received very widespread press coverage. Unsurprisingly, Truss's keeping moderately warm has received very little coverage. Pincrete ( talk) 14:36, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
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Can someone please reinstate the Liz Truss affair information. Someone keeps removing this. Only fair the public knows this. 212.36.171.154 ( talk) 12:41, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
@ Toddst1: concerning your edit. The birthdate is in the source if you click on the archived link in the ref. Triggerhippie4 ( talk) 13:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Liz Truss was born Mary Elizabeth Truss and that is what the article should state, just like James Keir Hardie, James Gordon Brown, Arthur Neville Chamberlain, etc. It’s not that uncommon for someone to use his or her middle name.
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/29/liz-truss-cheese-karaoke-10-things-you-may-not-know
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58575895.amp
The FreeDMB shows a record for a Mary Elizabeth Truss.
There’s really no issue here so I don’t know why some people are trying to create a problem. FriendlyFerret9854 ( talk) 17:50, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Please use the existing heading on her name here on Talk. There is no need for this separate one. Regards, Billsmith60 ( talk) 22:00, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
<nowiki>I added relevant information to her personal life section, with citations from reputable third-party news sources, which describes the affair she had for 18 months with Tory MP Mark Field. This was removed without explanation. This info is on Field's wikipedia for example. What reason is there to preclude this pertinent and relevant information from her currently admittedly extremely short biographical section in 'Personal life'? Irishpolitical ( talk) 14:34, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
I think that a brief mention, not necessarily in its own paragraph, is warranted. Bellowhead678 ( talk) 20:48, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Surely it should be non-controversial to allow repetition, in the "personal life" section, of what is stated in the "political career" section?Evidently, based on the good faith contributions here and reverts to the article, it seemingly is controversial to repeat this in the personal life section. The editors who are opposed to doing so cite the 2014 and 2013 BLPN discussions for where this consensus emerged.
An editor has again placed the content in the "Personal life" section. I agreed with points that JamesHawkes0161 and TwistedSnowflake made. I think mentioning the affair once in the article is sufficient and repetition in another section doesn't seem essential. With regard to the point "Many readers may skip directly to the 'Personal life' section and be surprised to find no coverage at all there" – the former PM John Major had a four-year extramarital affair with Conservative MP Edwina Currie which created a large amount of news coverage when the affair was revealed. But the affair is not currently mentioned in the "Personal life" section of the WP article on Major. It's only given one sentence in the "Early parliamentary career (1979–1987)" section of Major's article. So if readers don't find coverage of the affair that Truss had in the "Personal life" section, I think they would have the intelligence to look at other sections if they are keen to see the content about the affair. Kind Tennis Fan ( talk) 00:08, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
No, it's not hidden. This discussion topic has addressed this matter at length. The affair is mentioned twice, in the career and personal life sections. It doesn't go into the Intro., and I'm no Truss supporter Billsmith60 ( talk) 18:20, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
What does this minor constituency matter have to do with her political positions on environmental policy? It might warrant a mention in an article on the factory, if one were created, but it certainly has nothing to do with environmental policies or Truss's politics. For example there's no indication that any change to the definition of a statutory nuisance under the Environmental Protection Act 1990 was contemplated. This paragraph should simply be deleted. ---- Pontificalibus 08:53, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
Liz Truss is referred to regularly by the Guardian's Parliamentary sketch writer John Crace as 'Radon Liz'(i.e. as a nickname). I accessed the Wikipedia article to find out what this refers to but there is no mention of it whatever that I can see. 88.107.17.198 ( talk) 06:35, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
She is now PM - should there be a mention on the Main Page ITN - and should there be a measure of page protection for a few days? Jackiespeel ( talk) 14:25, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Boris has resigned, so Truss is no longer Foreign Sec/Equalities Minister. 195.89.72.19 ( talk) 11:11, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
How did she accrue an 8.4 million pound fortune ? 185.69.144.27 ( talk) 13:08, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Ayanda 185.69.144.27 ( talk) 13:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Water pollution 185.69.144.27 ( talk) 13:10, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Personal worth. 185.69.144.27 ( talk) 13:14, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
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Liz Truss is no longer incumbent as foreign secretary as of becoming Prime Minister. The position is vacant and therefore the information under her picture should he edited as such. Timceharris ( talk) 13:34, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Gas 185.69.144.27 ( talk) 13:11, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Is the newly created Hugh O'Leary article about Liz Truss's husband warranted? I don't think so. I think it should be nominated for deletion. 2A02:2F0F:B0FF:FFFF:0:0:6463:C62E ( talk) 22:29, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Should there be an Electoral History section on Liz Truss article ?
Should the Electoral History section on Liz Truss article contain the result tables (as shown in this revision) on "General election"? Note : There is a forked page Electoral history of Liz Truss ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
No: for the same reasons as outlined by Spy-cicle. Also to keep the article to a manageable size Billsmith60 ( talk) 16:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
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Add "March" next to 2022 in her infobox caption. This is from the same year she would go on to be pm, but it was before she began her tenure today. Iamoutofusernameideas ( talk) 12:01, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
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In 'Professional career', a citation is asked for. Finding her saying all the things in that sentence might be difficult. On the website 'ConservativeHome' there is a list of articles from 2008 that show her views. However, ConservativeHome is described as a blog, though these articles are more than blog entries. The Reform site linked to no longer exists. https://conservativehome.com/tag/elizabeth-truss/page/2/ Richard Nowell ( talk) 09:56, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
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Add a by whom? tag in front of "described" in this sentence: "Truss has been described as having a "hawkish" foreign policy stance towards China and Russia and has called for Britain to reduce economic dependency on both countries." Dialmayo ( talk) ( Contribs) Please ping me when replying. 16:16, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3191166/will-liz-truss-live-hawkish-language-china-if-she-becomes-britains-next and The Asian Times: https://asiatimes.com/2022/09/uks-truss-likely-to-pick-a-fight-with-china describing her as such. Richard Nowell ( talk) 18:49, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
I've changed Liz to Elizabeth, as per her official MP page – unless policies dictate otherwise? Please revise if this is the case Billsmith60 ( talk) 21:21, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
I see that I was incorrect to use 'Elizabeth Truss MP' as per WP:COMMONNAME – 'Liz' is correct, in accordance with policy Billsmith60 ( talk) 13:57, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Liz Truss is not, as stated in the lede, the "Prime Minister-elect". There is no such thing, officially, unofficially, or otherwise. She is the newly elected leader of the Conservative Party and she is expected to be invited to form a government tomorrow, 6 September. Until then, she is the party leader and Foreign Secretary, nothing more. 212.221.110.6 ( talk) 11:47, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Neither is she the Prime Minister-designate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.221.110.6 ( talk) 11:48, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
The most accurate way to describe the status would be "presumptive incoming Prime Minister". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.24.235 ( talk) 15:09, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
I feel this is too vague and it should be updated to the exact day. /info/en/?search=User:EmilePersaud 18:38, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Thank you. /info/en/?search=User:EmilePersaud 19:27, 6 September 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilePersaud ( talk • contribs)
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Change "Truss" to "Sus" 89.204.135.250 ( talk) 22:17, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
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22:43, 5 September 2022 (UTC)I have read that she was born Mary but was always called by her middle name Elizabeth. Does anyone know anything more about this? 77.98.160.139 ( talk) 17:20, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not regard the Daily Mail as a reliable source Billsmith60 ( talk) 10:48, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
It doesn't matter. That paper is not a reliable source Billsmith60 ( talk) 21:52, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
So why did you go ahead and unilaterally change the article to "Elizabeth' instead of leaving M E Truss till the matter is resolved? Am I missing domething here? Billsmith60 ( talk) 17:55, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
Fair enough 👍 Billsmith60 ( talk) 19:49, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
-- FriendlyFerret9854 ( talk) 17:22, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Five-year-old Liz Truss had a complaint to make on her first day at school. Each of the new pupils had been allotted a name-badge in the shape of a fish to pin on to their jumpers. Liz’s parents had christened her Mary – which was the name on her badge – but at home she was always known by her middle name, Elizabeth. ‘I was just aghast… [I thought] how can you do that to me?’ She marched up to the teacher and told her this was not an acceptable state of affairs. Did the teacher give her a new badge? ‘Of course,’ Liz says now, as if it should have been obvious that no other outcome would have been acceptable. There is a short pause. She glances down at a wilting plate of padron peppers she has just ordered for lunch. ‘I think I just wrote on the back of the other badge.’ https://www.you.co.uk/liz-truss-interview-2019/
Proquest returns 35 results for "Mary Elizabeth Truss" and 19 for "Elizabeth Mary Truss". Some of them are duplicates (and include the Daily Mail) – not definitive. EddieHugh ( talk) 17:51, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
I've added a note to a duplicate talk item here to use this existing thread ‐ otherwise it'll be very difficult to keep track of 'consensus'. In the meantime, I've noted not to use the diminutive form of her name. Perhaps others could keep an eye on this in the article. Regards, Billsmith60 ( talk) 22:04, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
I've gone through this thread and it is very clear that no existing source can be relied on. I believe that, as 'FriendlyFerret' stresses, she is indeed 'M.E. Truss' and uses her second name as many do. I'm trying Tory Central Office (to ask her private office) and will let an administrator see any email reply I receive. However, until – and indeed if – a definitive source of that reliability is found, I recommend keeping the article as it now reads with 'EddieHugh's' helpful note. Regards, Billsmith60 ( talk) 11:06, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
On the contrary, this debate does indeed reflect well on Wikipedia: the article would have been inaccurate without it and the specific research done. Now that the correct Free BMD record has been identified by the above post (and not the 'System Error' I saw previously), I believe that we can change the article to "Mary Elizabeth Truss" with a note to that particular source. Definitely, an index document shows that a 'Mary Elizabeth Truss', born from July-Sep 1975 to a mother previously called 'Grasby' [a great Yorkshire name!], was registered in Oxford. There has been no response to my query sent to the Tory Party or Truss' Westminster office. I'll leave changing the text to "EddieHugh" or another editor that, like me, required a stronger source. Her mother's maiden name of Grasby should also be updated. Regards, Billsmith60 ( talk) 10:47, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
If that's the case, then remove that source yourself. It provides a copy of the original report by the registrar of births, confirming 'Mary Elizabeth Truss' and that her mother was Grasby. Is the latter document of no consequence because of its provenance? Whats to stop an editor from uploading it to Commons and merely citing it? Billsmith60 ( talk) 23:09, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Just to add some more information. On Ancestry.com I searched for birth registrations under the name "MARY ELIZABETH TRUSS" and found an entry in Oxford which was the only entry for ANY Truss that quarter (Jul, Aug, Sept) in the England & Wales Civil Registration Birth Index. The mother's name is registered as Grasby. The District is Oxford, volume 20, page 2898. The source citation to use is "General Register Office; United Kingdom; Volume: 20; Page: 2898" I have added that to the main page although I am rusty with WP after almost a decade out of using it so I hope I got the cite right. It add a reliable and authoritative source so I hope that helps. Candy ( talk) 10:54, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Change the term “passed away” under the ‘Appointment’ subsection to “died”. Passed away is explicitly listed as a term to avoid on WP:EUPHEMISM. 2A00:23C7:DA0B:3901:A054:6361:A26:8A2 ( talk) 21:07, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
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Please change the first sentence of this article from, "Mary Elizabeth Truss (born 26 July 1975)[1][2] is a British politician who has served as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Leader of the Conservative Party since 6 September 2022, and as Member of Parliament (MP) for South West Norfolk since 2010." to "Mary Elizabeth Truss (born 26 July 1975)[1][2] is a British politician who is serving as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Leader of the Conservative Party since 6 September 2022, and as Member of Parliament (MP) for South West Norfolk since 2010." It should be in the present tense. 202.140.62.212 ( talk) 06:12, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Her majority is 26,195 (50.9%), not 35,507 (69.0%). The latter represents her votes and vote share, not majority. 2A04:4A43:500F:EDC7:6583:3462:2845:7094 ( talk) 11:19, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
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Please change the first sentence of this article from, "Mary Elizabeth Truss (born 26 July 1975)[1][2] is a British politician who is the current Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Leader of the Conservative Party, positions she has held since 6 and 5 September 2022 respectively." to, "Mary Elizabeth Truss (born 26 July 1975)[1][2] is a British politician who is the current Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Leader of the Conservative Party, positions she holds since 6 and 5 September 2022 respectively.". It should be in the present tense.— 2405:204:570C:D779:0:0:1770:A8B1 ( talk) 18:13, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Not done: "has held" is present tense.
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Article WP:CFORK was created without discussion. Both are short articles. Following the WP:PAGESIZE rules, a separate electoral history article is not needed for Liz Truss. So the new fork should be merged here. Venkat TL ( talk) 15:46, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose I was in the middle of drafting the electoral history article when I saw that User:Spy-cicle had created it. Having an electoral history article for heads of state/prime ministers seems quite normal on WP. Agree with others that the Liz Truss article will be long enough already. It probably doesn’t need any ‘Electoral history’ content, other than to point people towards the standalone article. TrottieTrue ( talk) 18:22, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
This section could do with updating. Aapart from the Northen Ireland section, the rest isn't relevant to the UK. The Heritage Foundation is based in the USA.
In 2021, Truss voted to decriminalise abortion in Northern Ireland and abstained from voting on the introduction of "buffer zones" outside of abortion clinics. As minister of women and equalities, she faced criticism from the British Pregnancy Advisory Service (BPAS) for ignoring demands to publicly denounce the overruling of Roe v. Wade in the United States, and the BPAS stated Truss had a "pattern of abstention when it comes to the issue of abortion." In 2019, she spoke with The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank that is anti-abortion.[189] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.114.104 ( talk) 12:44, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
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Jothsp123 ( talk) 22:16, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Please grant me access to this article
Le Pen is described as being far right why isn’t Truss—??? Far that matter Nigel Farage as well?? 2A04:4A43:46EF:F17C:B413:9AED:10F6:9D57 ( talk) 13:23, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
This needs to mention about Liz Truss being transphobic 94.0.72.146 ( talk) 17:05, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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I think we should move this article from Liz Truss to Elizabeth Truss since her official MP profile says, Elizabeth Truss. Please share your consensus on this so I can decide whether to move the page or not. RayAdvait ( talk) 13:37, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
I agree with RayAdvith because Liz isn't really her name.Her name is Elizabeth Trusted.Her real name is not Liz Truss. Joevaneshaan Ravan ( talk) 13:41, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
OPPOSE As it is now abundantly clear after two weeks (7-20 September) that there is no consensus on this proposal, can someone mark it as "failed" and close the discussion? Regards, Billsmith60 ( talk) 20:51, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
This new section is out of place and isn't right for this article. Could we please have an admin view on this matter before it becomes an edit war? Thanks very much.
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User HJ Mitchell's approach is one I would follow. Moreover, I see no justification for this new item, even if properly sourced, having a subtitle or subsection of its own. Regards, Billsmith60 ( talk) 23:37, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Politicians meet people and organisations all the time. It's part of the job. Some of these meetings get reported. That's not enough to mention them in this article. What's the justification for including these? There's coverage of her meeting, for instance, Democrat Richard Neal (quick examples: [7], [8], but I see no strong reason to mention these either. EddieHugh ( talk) 18:22, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
According to recent reports in the British press (e.g. Independent, Wales Online), dissatisfied Tory MPs have already submitted letters of no-confidence in Truss to the chairman of the Conservative party's 1922 Committee. This must surely be a record and merits mention in the article.
The Wales Online article includes the following: "An ex-minister in Boris Johnson’s government told Sky political news editor Agnes Chambre on Monday (26 Sep 2022) that some MPs have already sent letters of no confidence to 1922 Committee chairman Sir Graham Brady. For a confidence vote to be triggered, 54 letters would need to be sent. The former minister told Sky: "Liz is f*****... You cannot have monetary policy and fiscal policy at loggerheads. Something has to give... They are already putting letters in as [they] think she will crash the economy." -- TraceyR ( talk) 18:25, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Why is her degree not mentioned anywhere? All we get is “she graduated”. 87.75.101.5 ( talk) 17:13, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
The section "Personal Life" reads: "Her marriage with O'Leary survived the affair, but Field's broke down, and his wife cited his adultery with Truss in their divorce."
The part "but Field's broke down, and his wife cited his adultery with Truss in their divorce" (which was recently added) must be removed, because it implies that Truss's affair with Field had a major role and was directly responsible for Field's divorce. According to the source which broke the affair news first: "But the marriage [of Field and his wife] had been in trouble for some time and the couple had been drifting apart anyway at the time of his affair." [9] This has already been discussed above in the section about the affair. Even if it were true, it is WP:UNDUE since Truss's affair is relevant primarily in the context of her deselection process, not in the context of her private life and certainly not in the context of Field's private life. I want to point out that there is not even consensus to have the affair in the private life section (see again the discussion above). See Talk:Liz_Truss#Extramarital_Affair. 2A02:2F0F:B2FF:FFFF:0:0:6463:D0EC ( talk) 10:05, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
The part "but Field's broke down, and his wife cited his adultery with Truss in their divorce" (which was recently added) must be removed IamVinn011 ( talk) 01:40, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
This is not just disrespectful towards her but also readers may not want to know their leader's personal life. Let her inspire millions of women out there and it is unnecessary to publish someone's personal life here. IamVinn011 ( talk) 01:42, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
according to Dave Renton: https://livesrunning.wordpress.com/2022/09/06/liz-trusss-two-weeks-in-the-socialist-worker-student-society/ 86.151.52.174 ( talk) 15:16, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
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Liz truss was not economic director at C&W she was an account manager 84.71.182.71 ( talk) 19:09, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
If the article mentions 'a multibillion pound package to cap average household energy bills at £2,500 per year' it should also include the other effects of the mini-budget of which that was a part and which have attracted the most national and international attention. Consequences include the lowest pound-to-dollar exchange rate for 70 year and a response from the IMF that is normally reserved for small / third world-countries. (The internet is full of references, including from the most reputable international economic sources). Omitting these major effect of the mini-budget and cherry-picking the positive energy cap omits the main international response and gives a biased version of the effect. Truss has repeatedly said that she is making the 'right decisions', in contrast to the most authoritative world economists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.227.60 ( talk) 20:50, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
This article gives no hint of her popularity level or why it is what it is. -- Jibal ( talk) 23:36, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
Why is it impossible to find out what class of degree Liz Truss was awarded? I assume it was a lower second or a third as it is not listed anywhere? Sara McKenzie 2A00:23C4:562E:5F01:21C3:B8DF:CB9E:A3FA ( talk) 16:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
I think this is worth a mention in the lead, per the lead of Gordon Brown's article stating he was the last Labour leader and PM under the late Queen. 79.66.82.129 ( talk) 11:40, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
She has resigned 2A02:C7C:52D2:E600:4402:6A9D:B203:FE21 ( talk) 12:37, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Not yet but it's rumoured. Amatama ( talk) 12:38, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
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former prime minister 81.128.152.226 ( talk) 12:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
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is -> was
truss has resigned 152.78.0.180 ( talk) 12:46, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
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change Prime Minister of the United Kingdom to Former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Thatcatisabrit ( talk) 12:54, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
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Former Prime Minister... she resigned 25gshaw ( talk) 13:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
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Change is and current prefix as she is resigning as prime minster to past tense and also include how short Deathwing87 ( talk) 12:47, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Requesting subsection "Resignation" to be edited to "Liz Truss officially announced her resignation as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom after 45 days in office on 20 October 2022. In doing so, she became the shortest undisputed serving British Prime Minister in history. She will remain as Prime Minister until a successor is elected within the Conservative Party." Original phrasing makes it seem her term has already ended when it wasn't. (Or at least not yet) SBS6577P ( talk) 12:56, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
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On oct.20, Liz truss resigned.Let me change, or you can.-- Brady 336 ( talk) 13:17, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Can a section, or photo of the Daily Star lettuce be added? Image has been seen around the world. 88.97.108.45 ( talk) 14:24, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Already discussed in thread above. 205.239.40.3 ( talk) 14:59, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Merged on 22 October 2022
FYI, List of international prime ministerial trips made by Liz Truss ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been proposed to be merged into Premiership of Liz Truss ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). For the discussion, see talk:Premiership of Liz Truss -- 65.92.247.226 ( talk) 16:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Merged on 22 October 2022
FYI, List of departures from the Truss ministry ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been proposed to be merged into Truss ministry ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). For the discussion, see talk:Truss ministry -- 65.92.247.226 ( talk) 16:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Changing details to include her resignation. 78.101.144.216 ( talk) 15:35, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
I am noting here that the article about her father, John Truss, will need to be updated to indicate that she is the "former" Prime Minister once she actually leaves office and her successor begins. – Kekki1978 ( talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 16:44, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Is it correct that Truss is still leader of the Conservative Party? The page source has a comment saying she remains leader until the new one is elected, but is that actually true? I would have thought that given her resignation the post is vacant. Regards, Anameofmyveryown ( talk) 13:16, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
The tabloid Daily Star has set up a live feed of an unrefrigerated iceberg next to a photo of Truss. "Which wet lettuce will last longer?," it asked in a Twitter post showing the feed that had garnered over 50,000 likes in its first five hours online. Reuters, New York Magazine, The Express. 86.188.121.92 ( talk) 19:00, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
If this section remains, it should at least be edited to accurately credit the initial idea coming from The Economist on 11 Oct 2022: https://www.economist.com/leaders/2022/10/11/liz-truss-has-made-britain-a-riskier-bet-for-bond-investors and credit give to The Daily Star for the livestream. 132.183.13.76 ( talk) 16:10, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
No. Also, the Daily Star is not a reliable source for anything Billsmith60 ( talk) 16:22, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
The links provided to support this section were The Guardian, Washington Post and Reuters. Yes, they were referring to the fact that the Daily Star had done the livestream, but it was equally as much about drawing attention to the cost of basic food items - as a direct result of Truss's economic policies - as it was a publicity stunt. This is why I believed it to be relevant to the article, and listed credible news sources that also cited this as being relevant to her resignation MrPaperwings ( talk) 18:28, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
If it's relevant enough to warrant its own Wikipedia article ( Daily Star lettuce), why isn't it relevant enough for inclusion here? 31.205.5.237 ( talk) 18:24, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
It is now mentioned, but not distastefully after my slimming it down, in the Resignation section Billsmith60 ( talk) 21:47, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
But I see people are insisting on sensationalism Billsmith60 ( talk) 22:07, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Technically Truss is still PM, and no-one knows for sure how long her tenure will last, per Wikipedia:CRYSTAL I think it may be premature to describe her as the 'shortest serving', but per common sense; there is practically no way she can remain PM for 120 days to avoid ultimately becoming the shortest serving. She has given a 1 week deadline for her replacement. Short of full-scale war breaking out between now and then she's as good as gone.
I think that she will become the shortest serving is fine in the body but should stay off the lead at this time until it actually happens. Thoughts?
JeffUK ( talk) 13:18, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Let's wait until she hands in her resignation to the king. GoodDay ( talk) 23:04, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
FYI, Trussonomics ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been proposed to be merged into Liz Truss#Economics. For the discussion, see Talk:Trussonomics. aismallard ( talk) 00:25, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
Trussonomics ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) currently redirects here. Wouldn't it be better to point to Premiership of Liz Truss, where Trussonomics brought her down, or September 2022 United Kingdom mini-budget, where it was implemented? -- 65.92.247.226 ( talk) 15:19, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
NOTE the redirect was overwritten by DRAFT:Trussonomics (the subject of a round-robin swap), a few hours after I started this discussion. Trussonomics is now a stub article -- 65.92.247.226 ( talk) 04:40, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
As was the case when Boris Johnson resigned, there appears to be a slow-paced edit war around whether the infobox should list Truss as "outgoing". [12] [13] [14] Do we actually have a consensus around whether or not she should be listed as "outgoing"? I can't see an agreement either way, though I've seen some editors (including in the Talk:Boris Johnson archives) who say it should remain as "incumbent". — Czello 11:56, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
Is the BBC News source reliable enough to have her name as Mary Elizabeth Truss? Both the letters patent appointing her as a Treasury Commissioner and Crown Office lists of members returned at the last election have it as Elizabeth Mary Truss. When she was Justice Secretary and commissions were used for prorogation, her name was read out as Elizabeth Mary too. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/4189711 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/3454492 1234567jack ( talk) 11:28, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
Issue has been discussed at length on here. See Old versions. M.E. Truss is correct Billsmith60 ( talk) 13:16, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
the caretaker link takes you to a disambiguation of "Caretaker"
shouldn't it direct straight to this? /info/en/?search=Caretaker_government BeefsteakMaters ( talk) 15:13, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
HurricaneHiggins, to support
this edit of yours, can you please quote from the cited source where it supports the assertion that On 20 October,... she announced her resignation as prime minister..."
. Remember that neither headlines nor sub headlines are considered to be part of a reliable source per
WP:HEADLINE. I've read it over and over, and watched her full announcement
here, and did not notice her say that. She said (from ~ 1:04 ) I have therefore spoken to His Majesty the King to notify him that I am resigning as leader of the Conservative Party
and (from ~ 1:35) I will remain as prime minister until a successor has been chosen
. I think the best we can say is On 20 October, after 44 days in office, she announced her resignation as leader of the Conservative Party and that she will continue as prime minister until a successor is chosen
. --
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News headlines—including subheadlines—are not a reliable source. If the information is supported by the body of the source, then cite it from the body. -- DeFacto ( talk). 10:52, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
After 44 days in office, she announced on 20 October her resignation as leader of the Conservative Party and said that she will continue as prime minister until a successor is chosen. All the sources I've seen say both those things. -- DeFacto ( talk). 11:20, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
p is not an abbreviation of percent in any style guide or language. Someone is putting their personal preferences into this language please revert it to standard English. Bob10011001 ( talk) 22:31, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
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She should be credited as the UKs shortest lived Prime Minister as that is now a fact 2A02:C7F:D089:6E00:612E:6AF7:B88E:9D1B ( talk) 13:55, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
In the section for Cabinet, an instance of the word “dismissed” is used.
“This was the case for just 38 days before she dismissed Kwarteng and replaced him with Jeremy Hunt.[185][186]”
Then in the section below it, “Domestic Policies”, the word “sacked” is used for the same effect “dismissed” was used in the previous section.
“ She later reversed the cut in corporation tax and sacked Kwarteng, replacing him with Jeremy Hunt on 14 October.[202]”
Obviously one of these words needs to be the same as the other just for basic consistency. In my opinion I would use the word “dismissed” in this case just because it can be more formal and specific, while “sacked” could almost be slang. 69.1.238.179 ( talk) 11:30, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
Why is she listed in the infobox as only having one parent? I know that she is a bit weird, but really she did have a mother too. Bagunceiro ( talk) 14:18, 22 October 2022 (UTC)