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Not sure if he belongs in this article or not. He made up a title that didn't exist, "Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico" and people just kind of went along with it for fun and profit, to the point that some business accepted money printed in his name. Thoughts? Beeblebrox ( talk) 23:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
From Susan Gubar's review (African American Review 36:1) of Laura Browder's Slippery Characters (U of North Carolina P, 2000): " . . Lillian Smith, a "voluntary Indian" renamed " Wenona," who starred in Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show in the 1880s; the "imaginary Jew" Elizabeth Stern, whose I Am a Woman-And a Jew (1926) was penned by the illegitimate child of a Welsh Baptist mother and a German Lutheran father; Sylvester Lance, the son of former slaves who "transformed himself into the internationally famous Chief Buffalo Child Long Lance" and composed the memoir Lance Long (1928); Ben Reitman, a Jewish lecturer and Chicago fund-raiser whose Sister of the Road: The Autobiography of Boxcar Bertha (1937)..."-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 12:25, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Is basically a trivia section. There are literally thousands of possible examples that could be added, practically every sitcom ever has had an impostor scenario, along with hundreds of movies, books, and of course soap operas and telenovelas, and every episode of Deep Space Nine where Odo or one of the other Founders shape-shifted. It could get super ridiculous if left unchecked. I would suggest that this section simply be removed, or split into a separate article with some sort of clearly defined criteria for inclusion. Beeblebrox ( talk) 23:53, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Why is it that only those making "False minority national identity claims" are considered "imposters" for the purposes of this list? Those blacks who "passed" as white to benefit from Jim Crow laws were motivated by the same desire—personal gain or acceptance—as those whites who now "pass" as minorities to gain the benefits of affirmative action. We rightly view Jim Crow as a hateful system—but we may well come to see race-based affirmative action in the same light. I've written about this at the Talk page for the article on racial "passing" here. Thanks for any and all input! ElleTheBelle 20:14, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
An IP has been adding Elizabeth Warren to this article, which should not be accepted. This article is for imposters, which are described as "a person who pretends to be somebody else, often through means of disguise." That is clearly not the case with Warren, who believed she has distant Native American ancestry through family lore. She even took a DNA test to help determine the authenticity of the claims. That is completely different than someone intentionally assuming another race, like Rachel Dolezal, which should be common sense. -- Kbabej ( talk) 23:24, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Why isn’t Hilaria Baldwin included? She intentionally lied about her identity, misrepresenting herself as Latina, changing her birthplace from Boston to Mallorca. 47.149.65.191 ( talk) 03:47, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure the loathsome Joe McCarthy fits here. He indeed was a tail gunner, but exaggerated his record. --jpgordon 𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 19:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
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Not sure if he belongs in this article or not. He made up a title that didn't exist, "Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico" and people just kind of went along with it for fun and profit, to the point that some business accepted money printed in his name. Thoughts? Beeblebrox ( talk) 23:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
From Susan Gubar's review (African American Review 36:1) of Laura Browder's Slippery Characters (U of North Carolina P, 2000): " . . Lillian Smith, a "voluntary Indian" renamed " Wenona," who starred in Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show in the 1880s; the "imaginary Jew" Elizabeth Stern, whose I Am a Woman-And a Jew (1926) was penned by the illegitimate child of a Welsh Baptist mother and a German Lutheran father; Sylvester Lance, the son of former slaves who "transformed himself into the internationally famous Chief Buffalo Child Long Lance" and composed the memoir Lance Long (1928); Ben Reitman, a Jewish lecturer and Chicago fund-raiser whose Sister of the Road: The Autobiography of Boxcar Bertha (1937)..."-- Hodgdon's secret garden ( talk) 12:25, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Is basically a trivia section. There are literally thousands of possible examples that could be added, practically every sitcom ever has had an impostor scenario, along with hundreds of movies, books, and of course soap operas and telenovelas, and every episode of Deep Space Nine where Odo or one of the other Founders shape-shifted. It could get super ridiculous if left unchecked. I would suggest that this section simply be removed, or split into a separate article with some sort of clearly defined criteria for inclusion. Beeblebrox ( talk) 23:53, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Why is it that only those making "False minority national identity claims" are considered "imposters" for the purposes of this list? Those blacks who "passed" as white to benefit from Jim Crow laws were motivated by the same desire—personal gain or acceptance—as those whites who now "pass" as minorities to gain the benefits of affirmative action. We rightly view Jim Crow as a hateful system—but we may well come to see race-based affirmative action in the same light. I've written about this at the Talk page for the article on racial "passing" here. Thanks for any and all input! ElleTheBelle 20:14, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
An IP has been adding Elizabeth Warren to this article, which should not be accepted. This article is for imposters, which are described as "a person who pretends to be somebody else, often through means of disguise." That is clearly not the case with Warren, who believed she has distant Native American ancestry through family lore. She even took a DNA test to help determine the authenticity of the claims. That is completely different than someone intentionally assuming another race, like Rachel Dolezal, which should be common sense. -- Kbabej ( talk) 23:24, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Why isn’t Hilaria Baldwin included? She intentionally lied about her identity, misrepresenting herself as Latina, changing her birthplace from Boston to Mallorca. 47.149.65.191 ( talk) 03:47, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure the loathsome Joe McCarthy fits here. He indeed was a tail gunner, but exaggerated his record. --jpgordon 𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 19:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
It was proposed in this section that
List of impostors be
renamed and moved to
List of imposters.
result: Move logs:
source title ·
target title
This is template {{
subst:Requested move/end}} |
List of impostors → List of imposters – "Imposter" is the most common spelling. I never seen anyone use the word with the 'or' spelling. 2600:1700:1960:F100:F968:F898:A743:BA75 ( talk) 23:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)