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If you search Pakistan's area in Google it says it has 881,913 km2 but in the article it says Pakistan's area is 881,912 km2 so please fix that, thank you. Kindlyanswer ( talk) 08:38, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
The dispute over third and forth place by area is poorly adjudicated. If fresh water lakes count at all towards a country/nation's area, then four of the five great lakes between the USA and Canada should be counted as they are delineated by treaty. Lake Michigan is entirely inside the USA. Using old books with different definitions should not be cause to rewrite history, or facts. Inclusion of the great lakes makes the USA larger than China and it's not even close. It rubs my fur the wrong way when some people use Wikipedia to make political statements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neoconshooter ( talk • contribs) 22:19, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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Please make palestine non romanized letters and numbered as ISO gives it a number, it is a un observer state, and is recognized by 71% of countries 77.42.250.60 ( talk) 09:18, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
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Indonesia should be placed on the sixth place as it has about 1,826,440 km^2 of land area, and 6,159,032 km^2 of total sea area, adding up to 7,985,472 km^2 of area. 77% of its territory is water.< https://books.google.co.id/books?id=E5NafsG5RiEC&pg=PA99&dq=Indonesia+land+sea+total+area&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiwnqTcm4nZAhUlR48KHbGUApwQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=Indonesia%20land%20sea%20total%20area&f=false> 114.125.39.247 ( talk) 17:17, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Not sure if this has been discussed before. If France at 42 is the "third-largest country in Europe", how can Ukraine at 45 be the "second-largest country in Europe"? Could depend on definitions, but it does appear to be a bit self-contradictory. 93.117.220.196 ( talk) 11:32, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
It is in List of sovereign states but not numbered? Is there any reason why? Selfstudier ( talk) 18:50, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
The consensus was achieved in numerous other pages, as you well know. You made a WP:BRD edit, were reverted and informed of the consensus, and instead of seeking a RfD you submitted four Bold edit again in violation of the rules. Please seek a RfD. AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 15:35, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Jiangyu made a good point, only the universally recognised 193 UN member states plus 2 UN observer states should be ranked. Taiwan is less recogised than Kosovo or the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic internationally, therefore it shouldn't be ranked at all.
This is absolutely clear cut, not only that I asked for this supposed alternative consensus and it doesn't exist. In fact because of this issue, this is an Israel Palestine issue and subject to ARBPIA sanctions broadly construed (even if the notice has not been posted). Selfstudier ( talk) 11:52, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Let me get this straight ... you ignore the consensus achieved in dozens of articles that list of all of the countries of the world, in which the State of Palestine (and Kosovo, and Taiwan) is not number-ranked, and the smoking gun with which you come up in which the State of Palestine is number-ranked ... is List of Middle Eastern countries by population? Wow, who would have thought that editors of an article on Middle Eastern countries would develop a different consensus than did the dozens of more general articles? By the way, the article number-ranked "the Palestinian Territories" even before the State of Palestine was given UN-observer-state status, so f your argument proves anything, it proves too much. An article that number-ranked Palestine before it was declared a UN observer state obviously will continue to number-rank it after it was given such status. AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 15:03, 11 November 2019 (UTC)~
Is "World" a country? No but it's in the list unranked as bonus information.
Is "Antarctica" a country? No but it's in the list unranked as bonus information.
Why can't "European Union" be on the list unranked as bonus information?
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Is "France" a country?? Yes, and it includes all the areas it includes, but it's in the list twice; first based on its totality and then as if it had included only its European part. Georgia guy ( talk) 15:00, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Rob984 changed a note about Morocco's area, saying:
If the whole of Western Sahara is included (which Morocco controls approximately two-thirds of), the area would be 710,800 km2 (274,460 sq mi) and the rank would be #39.
What about if only the part that Morocco controls were included?? Georgia guy ( talk) 15:58, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
According to Russian law, republic of Crimea and city of Sevastopol have equal rights with the other 83 federal subjects. -- 45.58.89.12 ( talk) 00:14, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
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Should Palestine be numbered? Selfstudier ( talk) 19:41, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
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Yes It is included in ISO_3166-1 and in List of sovereign states. Selfstudier ( talk) 11:35, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
No, for the reasons I set forth below under "Discussion." AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 10:27, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Repeating the request from above, please Enter Yes or No with one-sentence explanations in this part (additional commentary beyond one sentence in the next part). Selfstudier ( talk) 11:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
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Palestine was numbered for two years prior to this [ Edit of 17 February, 2019]. Selfstudier ( talk) 19:42, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
I voted "No" above, and given that the one-sentence limit on explanations in the Survey section is being enforced strictly, I moved my two-sentence explanation down here. In Wikipedia articles listing sovereign states and dependent territories, the long-established consensus (achieved over many years in dozens of articles, not just in their Talk pages, but also in User Talk pages and in edit summaries whenever someone renumbered to give Taiwan, Palestine or Kosovo a number) is to give a numbered rank only to generally recognized sovereign states. It is POV to (i) claim that the State of Palestine, a state that was unsuccessful in its recent application for UN membership and that is not recognized by 12 of the 15 UN members with the highest GDPs (i.e., it is not recognized by the U.S., Germany, the UK, Japan, France, Italy, Brazil, Canada, South Korea, Spain, Australia or Mexico), has achieved general international recognition, or (ii) cease using general recognition as the criterion for number-ranking sovereign states yet apply such change only to Palestine and not to Kosovo, Taiwan (ROC), Western Sahara (SADR), Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Artsakh, Northern Cyprus, Transnitria or Somaliland. AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 02:54, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
@ HAL333: Re your survey comment, if by your comment you mean that the two figures given in the land + water columns add up to the CIA figure for the West Bank only (5860), you are correct. Regardless, the CIA is not a reliable source for Palestine as it reflects the view of the US government, there are NPOV sources that treat Palestine as one entity rather than two.[ Here, State of Palestine, 6020] Selfstudier ( talk) 15:10, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
@ Dhtwiki: Re your survey comment, the criteria currently given in the lead don't at the moment require a "case to be made", they simply state that Palestine should be numbered. So if no consensus is the outcome here, then the lead numbering criteria will need to be changed in such a way as to exclude (only?) Palestine. Selfstudier ( talk) 10:13, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Entries in this list include, but are not limited to, those in the ISO 3166-1 standard, which includes sovereign states and dependent territories. Largely unrecognised states not in ISO 3166-1 are included in the list in ranked order, but are not given a rank number.
I think that instead of jumping though hoops in an effort to exclude one or more states while at the same time trying to avoid excluding others the simplest answer is to abandon "numbering" altogether and just number every entry for convenience. If people want to discuss the political status of this or that entity the way to do that is with commentary not with a number. Selfstudier ( talk) 11:32, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
the actual consensus position: The countries classified as "Independent" in ISO 3166-1 are given a rank number. I am aware that this criterion have not been discussed either, but at least it has some measure of consistency, since ISO is already mentioned. -- T*U ( talk) 11:26, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
previously undiscussedas the one I have suggested, and I fail to see that is any more logical. -- T*U ( talk) 14:57, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
it is you that seems interested in the Vatican. No, I am absolutely not interested in the Vatican, and I have not said that I am interested in the Vatican; I am interested in criteria. It is you that bring the Vatican into this by defining numbering for UN members and the Vatican. I find the criterion "UN+Vatican" completely illogical without an explanation as to why the Vatican should have their own "rule". The criterion "UN members" is more logical, although I am not sure why UN membership should be relevant (it is not that many years since Switzerland by their own choice was a non-member). The criterion "UN members and observers" forces the same question about UN relevance, but it could ascertain inclusion of countries that choose not to be UN members, but could have been (like Switzerland earlier and the Vatican today).
I don't see any point in introducing new unknown criteria. Well, why have you then introduced the "UN+Vatican" criterion? -- T*U ( talk) 19:25, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
You said above "I, for one, oppose to state criteria that are based on making an unexplaind exemption for one country (Vatican)" and I took that to mean you were interested in the Vatican, I certainly did not intentionally misrepresent your views. I already answered your second question, the criteria need to match the actual numbering and now they do, whereas at least since February, they didn't. The UN is not "unknown" and it seems clear that is how the numbering came to be in its present form, it can hardly be an accident that all 193 member states are numbered (leaving aside the Vatican). Selfstudier ( talk) 19:56, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
new unknown criteria[your choice of words]) as the ISO 3361 independence criterion. -- T*U ( talk) 21:00, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
in order to associate the Vatican with 193 UN member states, I want to discuss the criteria themselves.
Why is it even necessary to differentiate between entities at allcomment. I am willing to listen to arguments for that. But that will have to be in a formal discussion about criteria, preferably a new RfC. -- T*U ( talk) 14:37, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
but just don't like the fact that it is presently numbered, which again is something I have never said and never meant. It is a bit hard to believe that you are in good faith when you repeatedly and consistently misrepresent my views against my explicit protests.
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Area of Nepal is changed; it's 147516sqkm now. 49.244.5.242 ( talk) 07:42, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
The discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Nepal#New map and area of Nepal may be of interest to you. Thank you! Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:39, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
I think we need a discussion on what to do when it comes to linking the Danish realm. Georgia guy ( talk) 01:12, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Please, don't be blatantly biased in Greenland's reality. Is inconsistent that in Denmark section the name that's "Denmark" and in those country's parts the name, by much, that's other. -- Picklespitlizyr ( talk) 01:21, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
@ AuH2ORepublican: is hard to understand?Is inconsistent that in Denmark section the name that's "Denmark" and in those country's parts the name, by much, that's other.
Antarctica is not a country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.253 ( talk) 20:42, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
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Antarctica is not a country this is misleading. 2605:8D80:421:43B4:49DE:8264:6F0A:32B9 ( talk) 16:13, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
I think that this talk page needs an FAQ. Any opinions anyone has here?? Georgia guy ( talk) 12:21, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
From a practical standpoint (without cited evidence) some of the water percentage figures seem strangely non-comparable. Without verification of the figures, it is hard to dispute, however the notion that some of the figures represent, seems questionable, if only from the standpoint of credibility of the table values. A number of specific examples are listed below with potential reasoning:
SquashEngineer ( talk) 12:03, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Until recently the list put Crimea in Ukraine, but someone changed it and made it say that Crimea belongs in Russia. Any discussion here?? Georgia guy ( talk) 11:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Somebody just added a note in Venezuela's area saying that there's an area it is defined as excluding. Is the point of view that Venezuela's area includes that area equally valid?? Georgia guy ( talk) 15:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
If the Spratly Islands are on the list, is it possible that the Paracel Islands should be too? After all, they both have an entry in the CIA World Factbook... just wondering.
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Add more information on Australia about the size of it due to Australia’s foreign territories. 1.126.104.205 ( talk) 00:36, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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Please edit figures for the territories de-facto controlled by Azerbaijan and Artsakh respectively after the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war (notes 33 and 41). The territory de-facto controlled by Artsakh is reduced from 11,458 km2 to 3170 km2 according to this source: https://www.kavkaz-uzel.eu/blogs/83781/posts/45972 Mastersun25 ( talk) 16:55, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
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Sudan and South Sudan have had their land areas determined as 1,731,671sqm and 644,329sqm respectively, as per the most recent CIA world factbook [1] [2] Vuuthegreat ( talk) 16:32, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
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Change the "United Kingdom" tag next to the Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey to "British Crown Dependency". The Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey aren't, and have never been, a part of the United Kingdom so this is incorrect and needs fixing. IOMann01 ( talk) 18:05, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
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In the list there is Abkhazia, which is not a souvereign country recognised by UN, EU or any other international organization, that is a region which is a part of Georgia,it is occupied by Russian Federation and it should not be listed as a separate country. Irakli003 ( talk) 14:42, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
The lead of this article mentions that supranational entities with some degree of sovereignty are not counted. I propose that the European Union be included. Considering it is large body of territory with significant authority of many areas or economic regulation, shares a single currency (in some areas anyway), and allows citizens of member states to live in other member states, it is something that readers would likely want to know. Benboy250 ( talk) 02:58, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
In revision 2021-02-11T15:26:16, @ Mxzbz: reverted my addition of the Dymaxion map with comment "List of countries and dependencies by area: map image doesn't correspond to list below".
I intentionally used the CIA World Factbook as reference (and specified it in the caption) instead of the data in the table as it doesn't include Greenland in the ranking, either as part of Denmark or as an autonomous territory.
In my opinion, the table should have Greenland ranked, but I feel that is too big a change without a second opinion. Does anyone have any opinions on this?
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under the notes section for the USA this sentence exists: Largest English-speaking country and largest in the Western Hemisphere by land area (second-largest by total area, after Canada). I believe that "by land area" is added here by mistake, clearly the sentence it trying to convey largest population, it even admits that Canada is largest in area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.175.20.2 ( talk) 16:14, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
I fixed the numbers in the table so that Palestine is included as a country because Lebanon's note implies it is a country. Any thoughts on the best thing to do here?? Georgia guy ( talk) 15:01, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
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Palestine is not an actual country and therefore should not have a country ranking (163 in this case). It should be listed with no ranking in, line with all other territories in the world that do not have a status of a "country". Ranking should be removed. Lonesail ( talk) 19:56, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Are OK CIA surfaces of Congo, Dominica and U.S. Virgin Islands? They are very different from those one of UN and Británica Igor Agarraberes ( talk) 13:28, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
The notes in the right column are making many of the rows too wide. Can anyone convert them to footnotes?? Georgia guy ( talk) 16:52, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Denmark should be the 12th largest country in the world. Saudi Arabia is the 13th largest, Egypt is the 30th largest, and Tanzania is the 31st largest.
Denmark is also the third largest country in North America, behind Canada and the US, and ahead of Mexico. 2001:8003:9008:1301:91BC:ABA1:CD7F:BBEC ( talk) 04:06, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
I assume there is a mistake or al least an uncertainty with Polish figures.
The figure 311, 888 km2 is not land area of Poland in the definition provided by this article, bacause it includes not only the aggregate of all land within international boundaries and coastlines, but also land waters (lakes, rivers, canals etc.) And the figure 791 km2 is not water area of Poland in the definition provided by this article, because it does not include land water bodies (that is lakes, rivers, canals etc. which cover aprox. 8, 300 km2 ). The figure 791 km2 is that part of coastal iternal waters which is included in administrtive units (in general in Poland there are 2,005 km2 of internal waters).
To sum up, in this article for Poland: land area includes all land + some water area (land water bodies) water area includes only coastal internal waters and no land water bodies 176.120.99.41 ( talk) 16:58, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
in general in Poland there are 2,005 km2 of internal waterscitation needed
Poland
total: 312,685 sq km
land: 304,255 sq km
water: 8,430 sq km
— Guarapiranga ☎ 09:23, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Total area is the sum of all land and water areas delimited by international boundaries and/or coastlines. Land area is the aggregate of all surfaces delimited by international boundaries and/or coastlines, excluding inland water bodies (lakes, reservoirs, rivers). Water area is the sum of the surfaces of all inland water bodies, such as lakes, reservoirs, or rivers, as delimited by international boundaries and/or coastlines. [1]
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Change the PRC and the United States to disputed. Creator785 ( talk) 14:21, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Why is the United States listed as 3 or 4? Shouldn't we know if it's 3rd or 4th? UB Blacephalon ( talk) 19:33, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Kazakhtan's westernmost point is Bokey Orda District, which falls on the same horizontal line as Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Iran which are quite far from Europe.
Quote From The Article: "Largest landlocked country. Second-largest Russian-speaking country, after Russia, and the largest country in Central Asia. Transcontinental country located in Asia and Europe. "
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Table shows some very odd figures for this country 51.52.43.171 ( talk) 16:03, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
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If you search Pakistan's area in Google it says it has 881,913 km2 but in the article it says Pakistan's area is 881,912 km2 so please fix that, thank you. Kindlyanswer ( talk) 08:38, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
The dispute over third and forth place by area is poorly adjudicated. If fresh water lakes count at all towards a country/nation's area, then four of the five great lakes between the USA and Canada should be counted as they are delineated by treaty. Lake Michigan is entirely inside the USA. Using old books with different definitions should not be cause to rewrite history, or facts. Inclusion of the great lakes makes the USA larger than China and it's not even close. It rubs my fur the wrong way when some people use Wikipedia to make political statements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neoconshooter ( talk • contribs) 22:19, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
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Please make palestine non romanized letters and numbered as ISO gives it a number, it is a un observer state, and is recognized by 71% of countries 77.42.250.60 ( talk) 09:18, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
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Indonesia should be placed on the sixth place as it has about 1,826,440 km^2 of land area, and 6,159,032 km^2 of total sea area, adding up to 7,985,472 km^2 of area. 77% of its territory is water.< https://books.google.co.id/books?id=E5NafsG5RiEC&pg=PA99&dq=Indonesia+land+sea+total+area&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiwnqTcm4nZAhUlR48KHbGUApwQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=Indonesia%20land%20sea%20total%20area&f=false> 114.125.39.247 ( talk) 17:17, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
Not sure if this has been discussed before. If France at 42 is the "third-largest country in Europe", how can Ukraine at 45 be the "second-largest country in Europe"? Could depend on definitions, but it does appear to be a bit self-contradictory. 93.117.220.196 ( talk) 11:32, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
It is in List of sovereign states but not numbered? Is there any reason why? Selfstudier ( talk) 18:50, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
The consensus was achieved in numerous other pages, as you well know. You made a WP:BRD edit, were reverted and informed of the consensus, and instead of seeking a RfD you submitted four Bold edit again in violation of the rules. Please seek a RfD. AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 15:35, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Jiangyu made a good point, only the universally recognised 193 UN member states plus 2 UN observer states should be ranked. Taiwan is less recogised than Kosovo or the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic internationally, therefore it shouldn't be ranked at all.
This is absolutely clear cut, not only that I asked for this supposed alternative consensus and it doesn't exist. In fact because of this issue, this is an Israel Palestine issue and subject to ARBPIA sanctions broadly construed (even if the notice has not been posted). Selfstudier ( talk) 11:52, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Let me get this straight ... you ignore the consensus achieved in dozens of articles that list of all of the countries of the world, in which the State of Palestine (and Kosovo, and Taiwan) is not number-ranked, and the smoking gun with which you come up in which the State of Palestine is number-ranked ... is List of Middle Eastern countries by population? Wow, who would have thought that editors of an article on Middle Eastern countries would develop a different consensus than did the dozens of more general articles? By the way, the article number-ranked "the Palestinian Territories" even before the State of Palestine was given UN-observer-state status, so f your argument proves anything, it proves too much. An article that number-ranked Palestine before it was declared a UN observer state obviously will continue to number-rank it after it was given such status. AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 15:03, 11 November 2019 (UTC)~
Is "World" a country? No but it's in the list unranked as bonus information.
Is "Antarctica" a country? No but it's in the list unranked as bonus information.
Why can't "European Union" be on the list unranked as bonus information?
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Is "France" a country?? Yes, and it includes all the areas it includes, but it's in the list twice; first based on its totality and then as if it had included only its European part. Georgia guy ( talk) 15:00, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Rob984 changed a note about Morocco's area, saying:
If the whole of Western Sahara is included (which Morocco controls approximately two-thirds of), the area would be 710,800 km2 (274,460 sq mi) and the rank would be #39.
What about if only the part that Morocco controls were included?? Georgia guy ( talk) 15:58, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
According to Russian law, republic of Crimea and city of Sevastopol have equal rights with the other 83 federal subjects. -- 45.58.89.12 ( talk) 00:14, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
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Should Palestine be numbered? Selfstudier ( talk) 19:41, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
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Yes It is included in ISO_3166-1 and in List of sovereign states. Selfstudier ( talk) 11:35, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
No, for the reasons I set forth below under "Discussion." AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 10:27, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Repeating the request from above, please Enter Yes or No with one-sentence explanations in this part (additional commentary beyond one sentence in the next part). Selfstudier ( talk) 11:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Put further comments and discussion in this part:
Palestine was numbered for two years prior to this [ Edit of 17 February, 2019]. Selfstudier ( talk) 19:42, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
I voted "No" above, and given that the one-sentence limit on explanations in the Survey section is being enforced strictly, I moved my two-sentence explanation down here. In Wikipedia articles listing sovereign states and dependent territories, the long-established consensus (achieved over many years in dozens of articles, not just in their Talk pages, but also in User Talk pages and in edit summaries whenever someone renumbered to give Taiwan, Palestine or Kosovo a number) is to give a numbered rank only to generally recognized sovereign states. It is POV to (i) claim that the State of Palestine, a state that was unsuccessful in its recent application for UN membership and that is not recognized by 12 of the 15 UN members with the highest GDPs (i.e., it is not recognized by the U.S., Germany, the UK, Japan, France, Italy, Brazil, Canada, South Korea, Spain, Australia or Mexico), has achieved general international recognition, or (ii) cease using general recognition as the criterion for number-ranking sovereign states yet apply such change only to Palestine and not to Kosovo, Taiwan (ROC), Western Sahara (SADR), Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Artsakh, Northern Cyprus, Transnitria or Somaliland. AuH2ORepublican ( talk) 02:54, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
@ HAL333: Re your survey comment, if by your comment you mean that the two figures given in the land + water columns add up to the CIA figure for the West Bank only (5860), you are correct. Regardless, the CIA is not a reliable source for Palestine as it reflects the view of the US government, there are NPOV sources that treat Palestine as one entity rather than two.[ Here, State of Palestine, 6020] Selfstudier ( talk) 15:10, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
@ Dhtwiki: Re your survey comment, the criteria currently given in the lead don't at the moment require a "case to be made", they simply state that Palestine should be numbered. So if no consensus is the outcome here, then the lead numbering criteria will need to be changed in such a way as to exclude (only?) Palestine. Selfstudier ( talk) 10:13, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Entries in this list include, but are not limited to, those in the ISO 3166-1 standard, which includes sovereign states and dependent territories. Largely unrecognised states not in ISO 3166-1 are included in the list in ranked order, but are not given a rank number.
I think that instead of jumping though hoops in an effort to exclude one or more states while at the same time trying to avoid excluding others the simplest answer is to abandon "numbering" altogether and just number every entry for convenience. If people want to discuss the political status of this or that entity the way to do that is with commentary not with a number. Selfstudier ( talk) 11:32, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
the actual consensus position: The countries classified as "Independent" in ISO 3166-1 are given a rank number. I am aware that this criterion have not been discussed either, but at least it has some measure of consistency, since ISO is already mentioned. -- T*U ( talk) 11:26, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
previously undiscussedas the one I have suggested, and I fail to see that is any more logical. -- T*U ( talk) 14:57, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
it is you that seems interested in the Vatican. No, I am absolutely not interested in the Vatican, and I have not said that I am interested in the Vatican; I am interested in criteria. It is you that bring the Vatican into this by defining numbering for UN members and the Vatican. I find the criterion "UN+Vatican" completely illogical without an explanation as to why the Vatican should have their own "rule". The criterion "UN members" is more logical, although I am not sure why UN membership should be relevant (it is not that many years since Switzerland by their own choice was a non-member). The criterion "UN members and observers" forces the same question about UN relevance, but it could ascertain inclusion of countries that choose not to be UN members, but could have been (like Switzerland earlier and the Vatican today).
I don't see any point in introducing new unknown criteria. Well, why have you then introduced the "UN+Vatican" criterion? -- T*U ( talk) 19:25, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
You said above "I, for one, oppose to state criteria that are based on making an unexplaind exemption for one country (Vatican)" and I took that to mean you were interested in the Vatican, I certainly did not intentionally misrepresent your views. I already answered your second question, the criteria need to match the actual numbering and now they do, whereas at least since February, they didn't. The UN is not "unknown" and it seems clear that is how the numbering came to be in its present form, it can hardly be an accident that all 193 member states are numbered (leaving aside the Vatican). Selfstudier ( talk) 19:56, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
new unknown criteria[your choice of words]) as the ISO 3361 independence criterion. -- T*U ( talk) 21:00, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
in order to associate the Vatican with 193 UN member states, I want to discuss the criteria themselves.
Why is it even necessary to differentiate between entities at allcomment. I am willing to listen to arguments for that. But that will have to be in a formal discussion about criteria, preferably a new RfC. -- T*U ( talk) 14:37, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
but just don't like the fact that it is presently numbered, which again is something I have never said and never meant. It is a bit hard to believe that you are in good faith when you repeatedly and consistently misrepresent my views against my explicit protests.
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Area of Nepal is changed; it's 147516sqkm now. 49.244.5.242 ( talk) 07:42, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
The discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Nepal#New map and area of Nepal may be of interest to you. Thank you! Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:39, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
I think we need a discussion on what to do when it comes to linking the Danish realm. Georgia guy ( talk) 01:12, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Please, don't be blatantly biased in Greenland's reality. Is inconsistent that in Denmark section the name that's "Denmark" and in those country's parts the name, by much, that's other. -- Picklespitlizyr ( talk) 01:21, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
@ AuH2ORepublican: is hard to understand?Is inconsistent that in Denmark section the name that's "Denmark" and in those country's parts the name, by much, that's other.
Antarctica is not a country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.253 ( talk) 20:42, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
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Antarctica is not a country this is misleading. 2605:8D80:421:43B4:49DE:8264:6F0A:32B9 ( talk) 16:13, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
I think that this talk page needs an FAQ. Any opinions anyone has here?? Georgia guy ( talk) 12:21, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
From a practical standpoint (without cited evidence) some of the water percentage figures seem strangely non-comparable. Without verification of the figures, it is hard to dispute, however the notion that some of the figures represent, seems questionable, if only from the standpoint of credibility of the table values. A number of specific examples are listed below with potential reasoning:
SquashEngineer ( talk) 12:03, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Until recently the list put Crimea in Ukraine, but someone changed it and made it say that Crimea belongs in Russia. Any discussion here?? Georgia guy ( talk) 11:30, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Somebody just added a note in Venezuela's area saying that there's an area it is defined as excluding. Is the point of view that Venezuela's area includes that area equally valid?? Georgia guy ( talk) 15:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
If the Spratly Islands are on the list, is it possible that the Paracel Islands should be too? After all, they both have an entry in the CIA World Factbook... just wondering.
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Add more information on Australia about the size of it due to Australia’s foreign territories. 1.126.104.205 ( talk) 00:36, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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Please edit figures for the territories de-facto controlled by Azerbaijan and Artsakh respectively after the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war (notes 33 and 41). The territory de-facto controlled by Artsakh is reduced from 11,458 km2 to 3170 km2 according to this source: https://www.kavkaz-uzel.eu/blogs/83781/posts/45972 Mastersun25 ( talk) 16:55, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
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Sudan and South Sudan have had their land areas determined as 1,731,671sqm and 644,329sqm respectively, as per the most recent CIA world factbook [1] [2] Vuuthegreat ( talk) 16:32, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
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Change the "United Kingdom" tag next to the Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey to "British Crown Dependency". The Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey aren't, and have never been, a part of the United Kingdom so this is incorrect and needs fixing. IOMann01 ( talk) 18:05, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
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In the list there is Abkhazia, which is not a souvereign country recognised by UN, EU or any other international organization, that is a region which is a part of Georgia,it is occupied by Russian Federation and it should not be listed as a separate country. Irakli003 ( talk) 14:42, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
The lead of this article mentions that supranational entities with some degree of sovereignty are not counted. I propose that the European Union be included. Considering it is large body of territory with significant authority of many areas or economic regulation, shares a single currency (in some areas anyway), and allows citizens of member states to live in other member states, it is something that readers would likely want to know. Benboy250 ( talk) 02:58, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
In revision 2021-02-11T15:26:16, @ Mxzbz: reverted my addition of the Dymaxion map with comment "List of countries and dependencies by area: map image doesn't correspond to list below".
I intentionally used the CIA World Factbook as reference (and specified it in the caption) instead of the data in the table as it doesn't include Greenland in the ranking, either as part of Denmark or as an autonomous territory.
In my opinion, the table should have Greenland ranked, but I feel that is too big a change without a second opinion. Does anyone have any opinions on this?
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under the notes section for the USA this sentence exists: Largest English-speaking country and largest in the Western Hemisphere by land area (second-largest by total area, after Canada). I believe that "by land area" is added here by mistake, clearly the sentence it trying to convey largest population, it even admits that Canada is largest in area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.175.20.2 ( talk) 16:14, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
I fixed the numbers in the table so that Palestine is included as a country because Lebanon's note implies it is a country. Any thoughts on the best thing to do here?? Georgia guy ( talk) 15:01, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
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Palestine is not an actual country and therefore should not have a country ranking (163 in this case). It should be listed with no ranking in, line with all other territories in the world that do not have a status of a "country". Ranking should be removed. Lonesail ( talk) 19:56, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Are OK CIA surfaces of Congo, Dominica and U.S. Virgin Islands? They are very different from those one of UN and Británica Igor Agarraberes ( talk) 13:28, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
The notes in the right column are making many of the rows too wide. Can anyone convert them to footnotes?? Georgia guy ( talk) 16:52, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Denmark should be the 12th largest country in the world. Saudi Arabia is the 13th largest, Egypt is the 30th largest, and Tanzania is the 31st largest.
Denmark is also the third largest country in North America, behind Canada and the US, and ahead of Mexico. 2001:8003:9008:1301:91BC:ABA1:CD7F:BBEC ( talk) 04:06, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
I assume there is a mistake or al least an uncertainty with Polish figures.
The figure 311, 888 km2 is not land area of Poland in the definition provided by this article, bacause it includes not only the aggregate of all land within international boundaries and coastlines, but also land waters (lakes, rivers, canals etc.) And the figure 791 km2 is not water area of Poland in the definition provided by this article, because it does not include land water bodies (that is lakes, rivers, canals etc. which cover aprox. 8, 300 km2 ). The figure 791 km2 is that part of coastal iternal waters which is included in administrtive units (in general in Poland there are 2,005 km2 of internal waters).
To sum up, in this article for Poland: land area includes all land + some water area (land water bodies) water area includes only coastal internal waters and no land water bodies 176.120.99.41 ( talk) 16:58, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
in general in Poland there are 2,005 km2 of internal waterscitation needed
Poland
total: 312,685 sq km
land: 304,255 sq km
water: 8,430 sq km
— Guarapiranga ☎ 09:23, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Total area is the sum of all land and water areas delimited by international boundaries and/or coastlines. Land area is the aggregate of all surfaces delimited by international boundaries and/or coastlines, excluding inland water bodies (lakes, reservoirs, rivers). Water area is the sum of the surfaces of all inland water bodies, such as lakes, reservoirs, or rivers, as delimited by international boundaries and/or coastlines. [1]
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Change the PRC and the United States to disputed. Creator785 ( talk) 14:21, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Why is the United States listed as 3 or 4? Shouldn't we know if it's 3rd or 4th? UB Blacephalon ( talk) 19:33, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Kazakhtan's westernmost point is Bokey Orda District, which falls on the same horizontal line as Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Iran which are quite far from Europe.
Quote From The Article: "Largest landlocked country. Second-largest Russian-speaking country, after Russia, and the largest country in Central Asia. Transcontinental country located in Asia and Europe. "
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Table shows some very odd figures for this country 51.52.43.171 ( talk) 16:03, 5 August 2021 (UTC)