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Should be listed. Xx236 ( talk) 08:43, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
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The German-occupied Poland was divided into many parts. Any part had its own history. Generally lands annected to Reich were different than GG. Description of occupied Poland falsely suggests some form of integration or authonomy. Xx236 ( talk) 09:48, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
The Warsaw ghetto was completely destroyed and used by Germans as a concentration camp. After the 1944 uprising all Warsaw inhabitants were epelled. A number of hiding people, like Szpilman (The Pianist), didn't live in the ghetto. Xx236 ( talk) 07:35, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Today, another ghetto was added to the list, after number 6 (it is the correct location). With the hardcoded sequence numbers in the left-most column, this means someone will have to renumber nearly every entry in the list. Is there someway to change column 1 to automatic numbering? Hmains ( talk) 16:01, 23 March 2020 (UTC) Hi yes it is charc2018 who added this - i thought it was important to add this ghetto but couldn't figure how to update the numbers. sorry about that
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Jewish ghettos in German-occupied Poland → Nazi ghettos in occupied Poland – For consistency with Nazi ghettos of the same timeframe. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 18:54, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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This text is currently in the header: "Most ghettos were established between October 1939 and July 1942 in order to confine and segregate Poland's Jewish population of about 3.5 million for the purpose of persecution, terror, and exploitation."
I feel like the attribution of explicit "we'll do this because we want to terrorise the Jews" motives to Nazi policymaking might be a bit off-base. They wanted to control the Jews, certainly. They wanted to seize their property, certainly. They wanted to cut them out of society, certainly. But "for the purpose of persecution and terror"? That sounds a bit ridiculous. It certainly was persecution and it certainly did cause terror, but that attribution of cartoon-villain "because it's evil" motive strikes me as a probable caricature. If someone has a citation of the Nazis actually saying "we're building ghettos because we want the Jews to be scared" or something of that ilk then I'll gladly retract. Magic9mushroom ( talk) 10:14, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
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Jewish ghettos in German-occupied Poland → List of Jewish ghettos in German-occupied Poland – Page is Graded C; much of the problem is lack of organization and coordination with related pages such as Nazi ghettos and the Holocaust in Poland. Page was originally created as a list of Jewish ghettos in occupied Poland, which is the vast majority of its content; propose removing "Holocaust" section (which is literally "Whole Burning") and which is only one part and tactic of the larger Nazi programme of Jewish elimination, and that its material should be merged into the lead and/or into main articles. Nissimnanach ( talk) 16:31, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
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change ((Miechow)) to ((Miechów)) 2601:541:4580:8500:983D:84D3:D1C9:1FE1 ( talk) 17:57, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Can you please update the entry for Brzesko so it sorts correctly?
|- | align=right |<!-- List needs renumbering --> |{{space|2}}[[Brzesko Ghetto|Brzesko]] | align=right |4,000-6,000{{space|3}} | align=right |{{sort|1941|fall 1941}}{{space|2}} | align=right |{{sort|1942–09|Sep 1942}}{{space|2}} |{{space|2}}to [[Auschwitz concentration camp|Auschwitz]] and [[Belzec extermination camp|Belzec]] |-
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Hello, I am requesting that the Bielsk Podlaski ghetto be added to the list of ghettos established in 1941. Here are the details:
Location: Bielsk Podlaski, link: /info/en/?search=Bielsk_Podlaski Population: 11,000 – 15,1000 Date of creation: August 1941 Date of liquidation: November 1942 Final destination: Treblinka, many killed locally
Please add footnotes to the following sources:
The Bielsk Podlaski Ghetto - Eyewitness Holocaust testimony of life and death in the Bielsk Podlaski ghetto https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Bielsk_Podlaski/Bielsk_ghetto.html
and
The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Encyclopedia of Camps and Ghettos, 1933–1945 Volume 2, Part 1, page 871 https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt2050wk1.19?seq=17 Inmemory48 ( talk) 20:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
Greetings, I wanted to ask here to see if someone with proper access (500+ edits) would add the Tarłów ghetto to the list on the page. The population of Jews this ghetto was approximately 1,500 from Tarlow (closed ghetto) and another 5,500 Jews from gathered from nearby villages. The operation was complete by October 18, 1942. the next day (19th Oct) the ghetto was liquidated and marched to Jasice station, 21km away, and then into freight card to the Treblinka extermination camp. ( https://muzeum1939.pl/premiera-filmu-bez-prawa-do-zycia-w-tarlowie/aktualnosci/5708.html) ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffl8OuZaWGg&ab_channel=MuzeumIIWojny%C5%9AwiatowejwGda%C5%84sku)
More information on the Tarłów wikpedia page. Thank you to anyone who has access.
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Should be listed. Xx236 ( talk) 08:43, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
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My addition is not meant to offend any other editors, just expanding to the aftermath. Please feel free to edit or expand it. Thank you so much! -LoganSal
The German-occupied Poland was divided into many parts. Any part had its own history. Generally lands annected to Reich were different than GG. Description of occupied Poland falsely suggests some form of integration or authonomy. Xx236 ( talk) 09:48, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
The Warsaw ghetto was completely destroyed and used by Germans as a concentration camp. After the 1944 uprising all Warsaw inhabitants were epelled. A number of hiding people, like Szpilman (The Pianist), didn't live in the ghetto. Xx236 ( talk) 07:35, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Today, another ghetto was added to the list, after number 6 (it is the correct location). With the hardcoded sequence numbers in the left-most column, this means someone will have to renumber nearly every entry in the list. Is there someway to change column 1 to automatic numbering? Hmains ( talk) 16:01, 23 March 2020 (UTC) Hi yes it is charc2018 who added this - i thought it was important to add this ghetto but couldn't figure how to update the numbers. sorry about that
The result of the move request was: no consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Mdaniels5757 ( talk) 02:22, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Jewish ghettos in German-occupied Poland → Nazi ghettos in occupied Poland – For consistency with Nazi ghettos of the same timeframe. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 18:54, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
References
This text is currently in the header: "Most ghettos were established between October 1939 and July 1942 in order to confine and segregate Poland's Jewish population of about 3.5 million for the purpose of persecution, terror, and exploitation."
I feel like the attribution of explicit "we'll do this because we want to terrorise the Jews" motives to Nazi policymaking might be a bit off-base. They wanted to control the Jews, certainly. They wanted to seize their property, certainly. They wanted to cut them out of society, certainly. But "for the purpose of persecution and terror"? That sounds a bit ridiculous. It certainly was persecution and it certainly did cause terror, but that attribution of cartoon-villain "because it's evil" motive strikes me as a probable caricature. If someone has a citation of the Nazis actually saying "we're building ghettos because we want the Jews to be scared" or something of that ilk then I'll gladly retract. Magic9mushroom ( talk) 10:14, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. (
closed by non-admin page mover) ~
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e |
c,
l)
11:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Jewish ghettos in German-occupied Poland → List of Jewish ghettos in German-occupied Poland – Page is Graded C; much of the problem is lack of organization and coordination with related pages such as Nazi ghettos and the Holocaust in Poland. Page was originally created as a list of Jewish ghettos in occupied Poland, which is the vast majority of its content; propose removing "Holocaust" section (which is literally "Whole Burning") and which is only one part and tactic of the larger Nazi programme of Jewish elimination, and that its material should be merged into the lead and/or into main articles. Nissimnanach ( talk) 16:31, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
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change ((Miechow)) to ((Miechów)) 2601:541:4580:8500:983D:84D3:D1C9:1FE1 ( talk) 17:57, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Can you please update the entry for Brzesko so it sorts correctly?
|- | align=right |<!-- List needs renumbering --> |{{space|2}}[[Brzesko Ghetto|Brzesko]] | align=right |4,000-6,000{{space|3}} | align=right |{{sort|1941|fall 1941}}{{space|2}} | align=right |{{sort|1942–09|Sep 1942}}{{space|2}} |{{space|2}}to [[Auschwitz concentration camp|Auschwitz]] and [[Belzec extermination camp|Belzec]] |-
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Hello, I am requesting that the Bielsk Podlaski ghetto be added to the list of ghettos established in 1941. Here are the details:
Location: Bielsk Podlaski, link: /info/en/?search=Bielsk_Podlaski Population: 11,000 – 15,1000 Date of creation: August 1941 Date of liquidation: November 1942 Final destination: Treblinka, many killed locally
Please add footnotes to the following sources:
The Bielsk Podlaski Ghetto - Eyewitness Holocaust testimony of life and death in the Bielsk Podlaski ghetto https://kehilalinks.jewishgen.org/Bielsk_Podlaski/Bielsk_ghetto.html
and
The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Encyclopedia of Camps and Ghettos, 1933–1945 Volume 2, Part 1, page 871 https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt2050wk1.19?seq=17 Inmemory48 ( talk) 20:06, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
Greetings, I wanted to ask here to see if someone with proper access (500+ edits) would add the Tarłów ghetto to the list on the page. The population of Jews this ghetto was approximately 1,500 from Tarlow (closed ghetto) and another 5,500 Jews from gathered from nearby villages. The operation was complete by October 18, 1942. the next day (19th Oct) the ghetto was liquidated and marched to Jasice station, 21km away, and then into freight card to the Treblinka extermination camp. ( https://muzeum1939.pl/premiera-filmu-bez-prawa-do-zycia-w-tarlowie/aktualnosci/5708.html) ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffl8OuZaWGg&ab_channel=MuzeumIIWojny%C5%9AwiatowejwGda%C5%84sku)
More information on the Tarłów wikpedia page. Thank you to anyone who has access.