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I think this article should be expanded to include every player who has represented England, and not just, as is currently, players who have 25+ caps. Any thoughts/objections? GiantSnowman 20:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Name | Caps | Goals | Date of first cap | Opponents of first cap | Age at first cap | Date of last cap | Opponents of last cap | Age at last cap |
---|
I also think the table should be organised by date of first cap.
Any thoughts? GiantSnowman 15:00, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Number | Name | Date of birth | Caps | Goals | Date of first cap | Opponents of first cap | Venue of first cap | Date of last cap | Opponents of last cap |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Robert Barker | June 19, 1847 | 1 | 0 | November 30, 1872 | Scotland | Hamilton Crescent | ||
2 | Ernest Greenhalgh | August 22, 1848 | 2 | 0 | November 30, 1872 | Scotland | Hamilton Crescent | March 8, 1873 | Scotland |
WikiGull 15:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
How about using flags for the opposition then? Adds more information to the table without the wideness problem. Have done it for the first 20 players as below
Let me know what you think - have it stored on a subuser page at the minute. Am happy for that to be the working page until it's a bit more detailed if that helps. WikiGull 16:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I have created a new article at List of England international footballers (alphabetical) which I hope is a complete list of England players. I know this is not in a table as envisaged above but at least it's a complete list. As this took me at least 36 hours to complete, I'll leave it to someone else to convert it into a table. Daemonic Kangaroo 13:15, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
There are a large number of red links on this list. in the Category:England international footballers there are 688 articles, whereas there are 1148 players who have played for England; that leaves 460 players without articles. So it's time to get researching/writing guys! To me, the most surprising omissions are Ralph Coates (formerly of Burnley & Tottenham Hotspur) and David Nish ( Derby County). Who can resist the opportunity to create an article about players whose names resonate like Percy de Paravicini or Pelham von Donop, or even James "Tadger" Stewart!. Daemonic Kangaroo 06:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok, so now this means we have:
Now, this might be a chore, but why not just combine these and use the class="sortable"
class to make
sortable tables? Take a look at
List of Arsenal F.C. players - using the {{
sortname}} template you can sort players by surnames in the page with no need for separate duplicate pages. Am willing to put in some of the legwork on this one myself if need be.
Qwghlm 10:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I'll leave you to it for now, esp. as I have a lawn to mow! My only comment is that englandfootballonline.com does not have a separate page for each player which is why I chose to link to englandstats.com. Unfortunately, for some players, e.g. Tinsley Lindley the two sites have different goal stats! Hey ho - I'm being summoned into the garden. Thanks for the input so far. Daemonic Kangaroo 10:56, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Should we get working on this? The one with all of the nationally capped players, at List of England international footballers (alphabetical). Should it be made on this article, or made on List of England international footballers? And we need to decide on a table.. Mattythewhite 11:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
User:Qwghlm did start to build a table at User:Qwghlm/List of England international footballers but seems to have found better things to do! Maybe the sheer size of the task put him off. He has experimented with various forms of table, and FWIW my favourite is the penultimate version [1] although I would prefer to include in the table the external links to the profiles at www.englandstats.com as they provide a check on the accuracy of the information, especially for players with similar names, and provide a link that can be incorporated into the player articles. Daemonic Kangaroo 13:18, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Name | Caps | Goals | First cap | Last cap |
---|---|---|---|---|
Walter Abbott | 1 | 0 | 1902-03-03 | 1902-03-03 |
So, thats what we have now. Perhaps we could include the opponents of these caps? And perhaps change the date of first/last caps so the full date is given. Mattythewhite 15:02, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
The list is going down alphabetically, isn't it? And should the oppents of first/last cap be placed in their own columns? And should the DOB be included? I think it would be good for context. Mattythewhite 16:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
How does this look for a first attempt?
Name | Date of birth | Caps | Goals | First cap | Opponent | Last cap | Opponent | Profile |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Walter Abbott | December 7, 1877 | 1 | 0 | March 3, 1902 | Wales | March 3, 1902 | Wales | [2] |
Alan A'Court | September 30, 1934 | 5 | 1 | November 6, 1957 | Northern Ireland | November 26, 1958 | Wales | [3] |
Tony Adams | October 10, 1966 | 66 | 5 | February 18, 1987 | Spain | October 7, 2000 | Germany | [4] |
Hugh Adcock | April 10, 1903 | 5 | 1 | May 9, 1929 | France | November 20, 1929 | Wales | [5] |
Charles Alcock | December 2, 1842 | 1 | 1 | March 6, 1875 | Scotland | March 6, 1875 | Scotland | [6] |
Jack Alderson | November 28, 1891 | 1 | 0 | May 10, 1923 | France | May 10, 1923 | France | [7] |
Albert Aldridge | April 13, 1864 | 2 | 0 | March 31, 1888 | Ireland | March 2, 1889 | Ireland | [8] |
Luke Young | May 19, 1979 | 7 | 0 | May 28, 2005 | USA | November 12, 2005 | Argentina | [9] |
Let me know what you think and I'll see what I can do. Daemonic Kangaroo 16:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
I've now completed the "A" section and pasted into the article. I have set up a working page at User:Daemonic Kangaroo/England player table - if anyone wants to edit this, feel free to dive in. It will take a lot of careful work to get it all right - does anyone know of a way of speeding it up?
My intention is to create the table on this page and then merge the contents with List of England international footballers and then delete this page. Daemonic Kangaroo 06:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the table as envisaged above is unworkable. There is a limit in WP as to how many templates can be used on a page, and this was reached after only about 95 entries (out of 1150); I put the problem up to an admin for help and he suggested using a substitution after the templates were used. This resulted in a page over 700k in size; again for less than 10% of the total entries. Goodness knows what size we would have ended up with, even if would have been possible to edit this.
So - it's back to the drawing board. I've tried changing the date format - whilst I can't say that I actually like it, it does retain the sortability of the date columns. My revised version is this:
Name | Date of birth | Caps | Goals | First cap | Opponent | Last cap | Opponent | Profile |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Alan A'Court | 1934 September 30 | 5 | 1 | 1957 November 6 | Northern Ireland | 1958 November 26 | Wales | [10] |
Walter Abbott | 1877 December 7 | 1 | 0 | 1902 March 3 | Wales | 1902 March 3 | Wales | [11] |
Tony Adams | 1966 October 10 | 66 | 5 | 1987 February 18 | Spain | 2000 October 7 | Germany | [12] |
Hugh Adcock | 1903 April 10 | 5 | 1 | 1929 May 9 | France | 1929 November 20 | Wales | [13] |
Charles Alcock | 1842 December 2 | 1 | 1 | 1875 March 6 | Scotland | 1875 March 6 | Scotland | [14] |
Jack Alderson | 1891 November 28 | 1 | 0 | 1923 May 10 | France | 1923 May 10 | France | [15] |
Albert Aldridge | 1864 April 13 | 2 | 0 | 1888 March 31 | Ireland | 1889 March 2 | Ireland | [16] |
Luke Young | 1979 May 19 | 7 | 0 | 2005 May 28 | USA | 2005 November 12 | Argentina | [17] |
Let me know what you think before I plod on with the changes. It's rather dispiriting having to go back and rewrite what I've done so far, but I'd rather rewrite 96 entries than 1000+. Daemonic Kangaroo 06:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Would anyone object to splitting this table by date of birth? Its rather large Mbisanz ( talk) 06:04, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
On a side-note: if we decide to keep this page: the date of the last match is not displayed correctly. Twerbrou ( talk) 14:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I note that users Catchpole and Bentley Banana have reverted the list that had been merged from List of England international footballers (alphabetical) and List of England players with only one cap with no real explanation other than comments on Cathcpole's talk page. As the previous discussions seemed to indicate that there was a consensus to merge these 3 articles, I would appreciate other editors' comments/suggestions. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 13:07, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
When I merged the three articles I thought that there was a consensus that this was the right thing to do. Consequently I found Bentley Banana's comment on Catchpole's talk page describing it as a "rotten merger" and an "abomination" rather offensive and arrogant. I'm therefore grateful that the consensus here is in favour of the merge. Moving forward, it seems to me that we still only need one list covering all England players (good and bad, major or minor). In view of the size of the list this will always cause problems for those on a dial-up connection - as for Apple Mac users, I'm afraid that I have no knowledge. Perhaps this particular problem as pointed out by Catchpole should be put to a techie for advice. WP must be all-embracing and be equally functional whatever platform is used, although good features should not be thrown away to accommodate lesser used platforms.
At present we have four, possibly five, different articles covering the same ground:
All of these will need updating after every England match. The (post-Catchpole) List of England international footballers includes players who have 25 or more caps. Why this particular bar? If the bar was raised to, say, 50 caps this would reduce this particular list to 47 players. This list could then be merged with that in the England team article. Can we agree a final consensus? I can then go ahead and re-merge the articles. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 06:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion was copied from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 14#List of England international footballers in order that users may be aware of previous "merge" discussions. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 06:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
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Many Thanks. -- Jameboy ( talk) 00:10, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
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I think this article should be expanded to include every player who has represented England, and not just, as is currently, players who have 25+ caps. Any thoughts/objections? GiantSnowman 20:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
Name | Caps | Goals | Date of first cap | Opponents of first cap | Age at first cap | Date of last cap | Opponents of last cap | Age at last cap |
---|
I also think the table should be organised by date of first cap.
Any thoughts? GiantSnowman 15:00, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Number | Name | Date of birth | Caps | Goals | Date of first cap | Opponents of first cap | Venue of first cap | Date of last cap | Opponents of last cap |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Robert Barker | June 19, 1847 | 1 | 0 | November 30, 1872 | Scotland | Hamilton Crescent | ||
2 | Ernest Greenhalgh | August 22, 1848 | 2 | 0 | November 30, 1872 | Scotland | Hamilton Crescent | March 8, 1873 | Scotland |
WikiGull 15:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
How about using flags for the opposition then? Adds more information to the table without the wideness problem. Have done it for the first 20 players as below
Let me know what you think - have it stored on a subuser page at the minute. Am happy for that to be the working page until it's a bit more detailed if that helps. WikiGull 16:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I have created a new article at List of England international footballers (alphabetical) which I hope is a complete list of England players. I know this is not in a table as envisaged above but at least it's a complete list. As this took me at least 36 hours to complete, I'll leave it to someone else to convert it into a table. Daemonic Kangaroo 13:15, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
There are a large number of red links on this list. in the Category:England international footballers there are 688 articles, whereas there are 1148 players who have played for England; that leaves 460 players without articles. So it's time to get researching/writing guys! To me, the most surprising omissions are Ralph Coates (formerly of Burnley & Tottenham Hotspur) and David Nish ( Derby County). Who can resist the opportunity to create an article about players whose names resonate like Percy de Paravicini or Pelham von Donop, or even James "Tadger" Stewart!. Daemonic Kangaroo 06:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok, so now this means we have:
Now, this might be a chore, but why not just combine these and use the class="sortable"
class to make
sortable tables? Take a look at
List of Arsenal F.C. players - using the {{
sortname}} template you can sort players by surnames in the page with no need for separate duplicate pages. Am willing to put in some of the legwork on this one myself if need be.
Qwghlm 10:14, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
I'll leave you to it for now, esp. as I have a lawn to mow! My only comment is that englandfootballonline.com does not have a separate page for each player which is why I chose to link to englandstats.com. Unfortunately, for some players, e.g. Tinsley Lindley the two sites have different goal stats! Hey ho - I'm being summoned into the garden. Thanks for the input so far. Daemonic Kangaroo 10:56, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Should we get working on this? The one with all of the nationally capped players, at List of England international footballers (alphabetical). Should it be made on this article, or made on List of England international footballers? And we need to decide on a table.. Mattythewhite 11:49, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
User:Qwghlm did start to build a table at User:Qwghlm/List of England international footballers but seems to have found better things to do! Maybe the sheer size of the task put him off. He has experimented with various forms of table, and FWIW my favourite is the penultimate version [1] although I would prefer to include in the table the external links to the profiles at www.englandstats.com as they provide a check on the accuracy of the information, especially for players with similar names, and provide a link that can be incorporated into the player articles. Daemonic Kangaroo 13:18, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Name | Caps | Goals | First cap | Last cap |
---|---|---|---|---|
Walter Abbott | 1 | 0 | 1902-03-03 | 1902-03-03 |
So, thats what we have now. Perhaps we could include the opponents of these caps? And perhaps change the date of first/last caps so the full date is given. Mattythewhite 15:02, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
The list is going down alphabetically, isn't it? And should the oppents of first/last cap be placed in their own columns? And should the DOB be included? I think it would be good for context. Mattythewhite 16:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
How does this look for a first attempt?
Name | Date of birth | Caps | Goals | First cap | Opponent | Last cap | Opponent | Profile |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Walter Abbott | December 7, 1877 | 1 | 0 | March 3, 1902 | Wales | March 3, 1902 | Wales | [2] |
Alan A'Court | September 30, 1934 | 5 | 1 | November 6, 1957 | Northern Ireland | November 26, 1958 | Wales | [3] |
Tony Adams | October 10, 1966 | 66 | 5 | February 18, 1987 | Spain | October 7, 2000 | Germany | [4] |
Hugh Adcock | April 10, 1903 | 5 | 1 | May 9, 1929 | France | November 20, 1929 | Wales | [5] |
Charles Alcock | December 2, 1842 | 1 | 1 | March 6, 1875 | Scotland | March 6, 1875 | Scotland | [6] |
Jack Alderson | November 28, 1891 | 1 | 0 | May 10, 1923 | France | May 10, 1923 | France | [7] |
Albert Aldridge | April 13, 1864 | 2 | 0 | March 31, 1888 | Ireland | March 2, 1889 | Ireland | [8] |
Luke Young | May 19, 1979 | 7 | 0 | May 28, 2005 | USA | November 12, 2005 | Argentina | [9] |
Let me know what you think and I'll see what I can do. Daemonic Kangaroo 16:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
I've now completed the "A" section and pasted into the article. I have set up a working page at User:Daemonic Kangaroo/England player table - if anyone wants to edit this, feel free to dive in. It will take a lot of careful work to get it all right - does anyone know of a way of speeding it up?
My intention is to create the table on this page and then merge the contents with List of England international footballers and then delete this page. Daemonic Kangaroo 06:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the table as envisaged above is unworkable. There is a limit in WP as to how many templates can be used on a page, and this was reached after only about 95 entries (out of 1150); I put the problem up to an admin for help and he suggested using a substitution after the templates were used. This resulted in a page over 700k in size; again for less than 10% of the total entries. Goodness knows what size we would have ended up with, even if would have been possible to edit this.
So - it's back to the drawing board. I've tried changing the date format - whilst I can't say that I actually like it, it does retain the sortability of the date columns. My revised version is this:
Name | Date of birth | Caps | Goals | First cap | Opponent | Last cap | Opponent | Profile |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Alan A'Court | 1934 September 30 | 5 | 1 | 1957 November 6 | Northern Ireland | 1958 November 26 | Wales | [10] |
Walter Abbott | 1877 December 7 | 1 | 0 | 1902 March 3 | Wales | 1902 March 3 | Wales | [11] |
Tony Adams | 1966 October 10 | 66 | 5 | 1987 February 18 | Spain | 2000 October 7 | Germany | [12] |
Hugh Adcock | 1903 April 10 | 5 | 1 | 1929 May 9 | France | 1929 November 20 | Wales | [13] |
Charles Alcock | 1842 December 2 | 1 | 1 | 1875 March 6 | Scotland | 1875 March 6 | Scotland | [14] |
Jack Alderson | 1891 November 28 | 1 | 0 | 1923 May 10 | France | 1923 May 10 | France | [15] |
Albert Aldridge | 1864 April 13 | 2 | 0 | 1888 March 31 | Ireland | 1889 March 2 | Ireland | [16] |
Luke Young | 1979 May 19 | 7 | 0 | 2005 May 28 | USA | 2005 November 12 | Argentina | [17] |
Let me know what you think before I plod on with the changes. It's rather dispiriting having to go back and rewrite what I've done so far, but I'd rather rewrite 96 entries than 1000+. Daemonic Kangaroo 06:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Would anyone object to splitting this table by date of birth? Its rather large Mbisanz ( talk) 06:04, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
On a side-note: if we decide to keep this page: the date of the last match is not displayed correctly. Twerbrou ( talk) 14:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I note that users Catchpole and Bentley Banana have reverted the list that had been merged from List of England international footballers (alphabetical) and List of England players with only one cap with no real explanation other than comments on Cathcpole's talk page. As the previous discussions seemed to indicate that there was a consensus to merge these 3 articles, I would appreciate other editors' comments/suggestions. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 13:07, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
When I merged the three articles I thought that there was a consensus that this was the right thing to do. Consequently I found Bentley Banana's comment on Catchpole's talk page describing it as a "rotten merger" and an "abomination" rather offensive and arrogant. I'm therefore grateful that the consensus here is in favour of the merge. Moving forward, it seems to me that we still only need one list covering all England players (good and bad, major or minor). In view of the size of the list this will always cause problems for those on a dial-up connection - as for Apple Mac users, I'm afraid that I have no knowledge. Perhaps this particular problem as pointed out by Catchpole should be put to a techie for advice. WP must be all-embracing and be equally functional whatever platform is used, although good features should not be thrown away to accommodate lesser used platforms.
At present we have four, possibly five, different articles covering the same ground:
All of these will need updating after every England match. The (post-Catchpole) List of England international footballers includes players who have 25 or more caps. Why this particular bar? If the bar was raised to, say, 50 caps this would reduce this particular list to 47 players. This list could then be merged with that in the England team article. Can we agree a final consensus? I can then go ahead and re-merge the articles. -- Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 06:16, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion was copied from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 14#List of England international footballers in order that users may be aware of previous "merge" discussions. Daemonic Kangaroo ( talk) 06:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
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Many Thanks. -- Jameboy ( talk) 00:10, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
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