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The United Church of Canada is not Presbyterian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45words ( talk • contribs) 23:12, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Cathars? I don't believe the Cathars belong here any more than would the Arians or the Gnostics. Just because a group resisted and was persecuted by the Catholics doesn't necessarily make them Protestant. Cathar beliefs certainly don't mesh with what is generally regarded as Protestantism.
It has come to our attention that Conservative Friends (Wilburites) were missing from the list. We added them. Conservative Quakerism is alive and well in the USA, Canada, UK, Greece, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.140.40.239 ( talk) 12:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Isn't listing both Christian Science and Church of Christ, Scientist redundant, or was this intentional to distinguish the church from the ideas? WilliamKF ( talk) 03:10, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
I am nervous about the new additions under the Armenian Apostolic Church (Oriental Orthodox). There are a couple problems. First, they are not links to what they appear to be, for several of them. Our practice here is only to link to churches that have Wikipedia pages, and several of these are links to something other than the actual named church body. For example, the link named "Catholicosate of Etchmiadzin" does not point to the Catholicosate (a church organization) but rather to Catholicos of All Armenians, which is a description of an office. (It is as if "Roman Catholic Church" linked to Pope or "Church of England" linked to Archbishop of Canterbury.) Likewise "Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople" links to Armenian Patriarch of Constantinople, and "Catholicosate of Cilica" links to Holy See of Cilicia. Second, the practice has been to identify more or less independent groups. For those subject to the pope, we list each church sui juris; we list each independent Anglican church; we list autonomous and autocephalous Eastern Orthodox churches. It would be bad to set the precedent that we list the internal hierarchical subdivisions too far down for groups (especially when those subdivisions don't have their own pages), or the page would become unmanagably huge. It's not that the specific case of the Armenian Apostolic Church is a problem, but that the precedent set will get used to start listing every Roman Catholic province, every presbytery in the PCUSA, and so forth. The page at Oriental Orthodoxy does list these groups, but I think we need to be careful. The key question is, however vaguely, what degree of autonomy do they enjoy? Is it at all similar to the three second-level subdivisions in this category now? And, more to the point, our policy has always been that links should be added here only after the bodies in question have their own Wikipedia articles. And so:
This list should comply with the guidelines of WP:SAL. This includes "where the membership criteria are subjective or likely to be disputed, list definitions should be based on reliable sources". With particular regard to the section List of Christian denominations#New religious movements which includes some organizations that have been termed "cults" in the press, these definitely fall in the area of "likely to be disputed" and require third party sources. I am unclear on how an organization that may call itself "Christian" but has no official recognition and may even be seen as a money-making scam could be labelled a "Christian denomination" as the term denomination would be in contradiction to the lack of official recognition.
For example the Shangra-la Mission has no official status as a "denomination" as it existed as website with two people who declared themselves "anointed messengers for the Great White Brotherhood". With no third party sources to back up an assertion that their organization is considered a "Christian denomination", their inclusion here is ridiculous.
I am adding the references needed tag back on this basis.— Ash ( talk) 21:02, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm grateful for your attention to this. A brief perusal of all those groups shows that your suspicions were certainly correct. I don't object in principle to anyone who wants to add sources. At the same time, I think it's ridiculous to doubt that the PCUSA or the Roman Catholic Church is belongs here simply because it doesn't have a source. Their own pages have perfectly adequate sources already. Are there other cases you think should be examined? Tb ( talk) 06:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
I've made a slew of recent edits now, much cleaning up this section. My own concern is far more with the mainstreamy things, and I'm grateful for your prodding to clean up this grubby corner of the page and bring it up to proper standards. Will you give another look and see what you think? Most crucially, it occurs to me that "new" is not a category--that "new movement" is the modern neologism for "cult", without the negative overtones--when this page should not be concerned there, but rather with what it claims to: historical and doctrinal categorization. The remaining groups fell into three categories: syncretistic groups (hence the new section title), where I cleaned out the ones that didn't actually include Christian elements, one group which is simply another non-Trinitarian group, and one group which is a secular association. I think it's vastly improved, though surely more work remains to be done. Tb ( talk) 20:56, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
According to the note, there are more than 38'000 sects. If the link to the source is followed, the wording is *approximately*. If *their* source is followed, the number is 33830 as of 2001 (source: http://christianity.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=christianity&cdn=religion&tm=15&f=00&tt=11&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http%3A//www.adherents.com/misc/WCE.html )
Could somebody verify and fix this? Thanks :) 93.161.59.1 ( talk) 11:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Considering Wikipedia has made a decision to remove the Roman prefix as RCC does not represent Eastern Catholics (part of the world wide Catholisim, along with Latin/Western Catholism)...its time to make the clarification to this citation, and simply state: Catholic Church with perhaps Latin/Western and Eastern subdivisions (recongizing that Maronite and Italo-Albanian churches never left the universal Church. Micael ( talk) 23:05, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
""We must find a term which, difficult though it is, does not express a POV claim which we should not be making."
Plain and simply, some subjects have absolutely no neutral POV...its an impossibility...to pretend there is one, would be a POV claim in and of itself. Therefore, the final conclusion made regarding the Catholic Church terminology of that Wiki article.
"In this context, to remove it is insulting to the other churches, listed right there, who consider themselves equally catholic" ...
Well what you and many do not seem to understand that doing so is just as insulting to Catholics also listed right there. Bottom line is that you can not insult one without insulting another. Hence you must look at the historical meaning of the Catholic Church at the very least. That said, (just as you mentioned for Roman Catholic) you simply make a stance regardless of who it offends and make a choice which is most OBJECTIVE to history and/or least insultive at to Christians at large, not to denominations in general. Therefore, I suggest looking at the earliest Church fathers of the first four centuries of Christiandom and find the characteristics of that "Catholic" church and find which one is fundimentally identical to that Church. (Starting with Ignatius of Antiochs letter to the Smyrnaeans see http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.v.html ) Secondly, Catholic Christians make up over a billion Christians worldwide that is more than double of any other. Therefore by siding with the POV of non-Catholics which consider themselves equally catholic as well you are siding to not offend the grand miniority and instead offend a great many others. This is foolish, the context of this citation is simply the generic title of Christian denominations not what they consider themselves individually, it is a simple diagram of world 'denominations'! Lastly, saying Catholics are Roman is quite disingenuous to millions of non-Latin(Roman) Easterners, but certainly 100% Catholic.
So whether you recognize it or not you are claiming POV statements, regardless of how you try to avoid it. You are the one making claims when you look into this so miopically, trying to find the non-existing NPOV, not realizing this is simply a citation pointing out to Church titles in a generic sense. To make this more than that is taking its point out of context, and attempting to pretend there is NPOV, which does not exist and simultaneously insulting millions of Catholics, interestingly making a POV by trying to avoid it! Micael ( talk) 11:57, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
For the sake of clarification: I am discussing the diagram-template listed as "Major Branches within Christianity"..;
...Tb, the mere existence of a relative few churches considering themselves catholic does not remove the reality that there are objective facts involved historically and substantially...otherwise you water down the very essence of an encyclopedia. The bottom line is that there are acceptable general understandings as well as, objective, FACTUAL-historical ones. The point is that some things are applicable by more than mere subjective considerations. It is with such an understanding that Wikipedia (and the majority of worldwide encyclopedias) has accepted for the Catholic Church to call itself simply the " Catholic Church" as it is the most historical and objective TITLE for such a church, not to mention it truly is the most common title for the Church itself.(are you going to deny that the Wiki article for the Church appears as simply Catholic Church?) Also, the mere existence of churches that consider themselves catholic certainly DOES NOT obviate discussion of the issue. It's the equal of saying that multiple political parties disagree yet those parties that disagree represent a grand minority of the people. That is exactly what you are doing. Catholics represent over 1 billion of the world's Christians and call themselves as such. While on the other hand while there may exist a few that consider themselves catholic yet may or may not even entitle themselves as such, it is none-the-less but a miniscule minority ill representative of the Christian consensus. Thus, to say there is a mere existence.. of other parties/churches..., is an insincere alibi for providing a false-neutral POV in the name of appeasing a limited few while insulting the grand majority of over 1 billion Christians that proclaim themselves as members of what is ENTITLED globally and historically as simply the Catholic Church, besides the great many non-Catholics which accept and are not offended by Catholics calling their Church as such. I'm not even addressing the exaggerative preeminence of subjective opinionated views above historical objective evidence.
However, all this is well beyond the context of this citation. The citation is merely showing a generic breakdown (in large part) of the major Christian denominations and they are reflected and compared to from a historical perspective. It speaks of these churches as they are entitled, not merely what they consider themselves subjectively- but a TITULAR historical/objective context. Otherwise, why the dotted line for the Restorationalist, no objective evidence, only claimed evidence. That said, I'm simply saying; Wikipedia and this citation should be consistent...1) if Wikipedia has, for the church described here as Roman Catholic is not named in such a manner in its article for the very church being discussed then it should be corrected. (an article is certainly more impacting that a mere visual image/table- therefore, why your intransigence?) 2) It is very much incorrect to call Eastern Catholic churches, Roman. The Roman or Latin church has always been understood as "the West”, hence the oxymoronic connotation to say Eastern Catholic Church, of the Roman Catholic Church. NO, it’s the Eastern and Latin/Roman churches, of the CATHOLIC Church. Micael ( talk) 09:40, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Updated the Diagram to reflect 2013 realities Qurbono ( talk) 17:54, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
There needs to be a separate section on this article entitled "Church of the East". It should include the Assyrian Church of the East (which is currently listed incorrectly in the "Catholic" section), and the Ancient Church of the East, which split off from the Assyrian Church in the 1960s. -- El on ka 17:08, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
It's an odd place, but [1] came up fairly quickly. Kind of a creepy source, but it would be interesting to see. See as well the Product Description of [2]. Or the last paragraph of [3]. And of course, there is its official name: the Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East. Now, "Orthodox"--there's a word the Assyrian Church of the East rejects faster than, well, some appropriate simile. Tb ( talk) 01:07, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
I think Anglicanism should be moved back to the Catholic section. The point was made that it is equally identified as Protestant. But that is not true. Not all Anglican theologians have agreed that their church is Catholic. The general formula that was agreed upon was "Reformed and Catholic", not "Protestant and Catholic". Seeing as how the Anglican Communion has generally been self-identified as Catholic, but only by some as Protestant, I think it is clear that it belongs in the Catholic section. Deusveritasest ( talk) 02:26, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Am I the only one who finds these little tidbits at the end of various sections totally unnecessary? Deusveritasest ( talk) 04:33, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
This church is missing from the list. Sarcelles ( talk) 16:00, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
But Mar Thoma Church is in communion with other churches also, not only with Anglicans. This Church has nothing to do with "United and uniting churches". Probably someone who is ignorant of the history, traditions and teachings of this Church wants it there, so it is there. Neduvelilmathew ( talk) 15:05, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
The Mar Thoma sect is a split from the Oriental Orthodox Church in India, with protestant doctrine. Qurbono ( talk) 17:28, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
In an earlier talk on the position of the Holy Marthoma Syrian Church , I have mentioned the true orientation of the Marthoma Church and had replied to their questions which has been edited and deleted by people Sebin Prasad Cheriyan Marvallill ( talk) 04:57, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
These people seem to have power and authority in deciding the faith,history and orientation of the Marthoma Syrian Church. They seem go have formed a hate group against the holy Marthoma Church and tries to constantly vandalize the Marthoma Church several pages.Let The Lord Jesus Christ judge them and protect the Holy Marthoma Syrian Church Sebin Prasad Cheriyan Marvallill ( talk) 05:02, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Special thanks to Neduvelilmathew (talk) and Sarcelles (talk) on questioning this false attribution of the Marthoma Church. Sebin Prasad Cheriyan Marvallill ( talk) 05:06, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
The Marthoma Church is not Anglican .it is ORIENTAL ORTHODOX Sebin Prasad Cheriyan Marvallill ( talk) 05:09, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Why are the Latter Day Saints given a sub-section as if the movement is as large or influential as "Catholicism" or "Protestantism"? Wouldn't they belong in "non-trinitarian groups" or under a "restorationist" sub-section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.119.141 ( talk) 02:55, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Please consider the fact that they are simply not Christian at all. Abrahamic rooted-ish, however not "Christian". See : Jew = Torah / Christian = Bible / Mormon = Book of Mormon / Jew = Jehovah / Christian = Jesus / Mormon = Kolob, 'Adam god' & Smith. Msqared80 ( talk) 18:15, 12 June 2015 (UTC) [1] [2]
Thank you NielN I did. Seeking to use the most ancient and 'pure' interpretation of the Bible is one thing, it is not the same as including and accepting a whole different book "The Book of Mormon" which is clearly not Biblical and defines the religion as not Christian but a parallel branch of the greater Abrahamic Mythos. See : http://magazine.biola.edu/article/12-summer/what-are-the-key-differences-between-mormonism-and/ , http://www.patheos.com/blogs/bibleandculture/2012/08/27/why-mormons-are-not-christians-the-issue-of-christology/ , /info/en/?search=Mormonism_and_Christianity & https://books.google.com/books?id=QUWqDQAAQBAJ&lpg=PT314&ots=Xv0ykBvypj&dq=abrahamic%20mythology%20.edu&pg=PT314#v=onepage&q=abrahamic%20mythology%20.edu&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msqared80 ( talk • contribs) 20:36, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
References
LDS consider themselves nontrinitarian Missionisagape ( talk) 12:50, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
LDS consider themselves nontrinitarian Missionisagape ( talk) 12:51, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Including Anglicanism in Catholicism is ridiculous and outrageous. Having it as its own section is bad enough; including it in Catholicism is completely indefensible, and blatant POV-pushing. john k ( talk) 22:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Almost every book or encyclopedia that I've read breaks the Christian denominations into three major groups; Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox. Even the Christianity template on Wikipedia shows those three plus Nontrinitarian. Why is Orthodox part of Catholic here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.194.56.199 ( talk) 15:38, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
The Latin Church and the Eastern Catholic Churches are all under the authority of the Pope. So doesn't that make them one denomination with varied rites, as opposed to 23 different denominations? 128.250.5.246 ( talk) 02:56, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
As all of them treat themselves as a special group apart from other denominations it is probably best to leave it as is. 99.195.200.51 ( talk) 16:45, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
I looked through this whole list, but I did not find Christian Atheism (I prefer to call it "Atheistic Christianity", but that's just me). Is there a reason it is not here? Did I miss it? Where would it go if we were to add it? 97.96.65.123 ( talk) 15:52, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
This list specific Christian denominations, not variations of Atheism. 99.195.200.51 ( talk) 16:52, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Noticed this myself. Is there any reason the Christian Missionary Alliance is listed twice. It is both under "Pietists and Holiness Churches" and "Miscellaneous/Other". Unless I'm mistaken and there are two denominations with the same name, I'd say one of these doesn't need to be there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.99.149.210 ( talk) 06:38, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Iagree. The C&MA should be listed as a Holiness Church since it's roots are in the Deeper Life Movement. I recommend it be removed from Misc/Other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srvfan84 ( talk • contribs) 18:42, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
There's really no reason to add "Please note" to the page, it adds nothing to the text. The text is there so people will note it, see WP:EDITORIALIZING for a similar case. Mark Arsten ( talk) 03:24, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Universalism is a completely separate religion. Why is it listed as a denomination as Christianity? 214.13.69.132 ( talk) 03:36, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
I don't see the relevance of the Catholic church's opinion on the true church in the lead. -- JFHutson ( talk) 04:07, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
You're right, so I removed it. Editor2020 ( talk) 04:55, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Methodism is a splinter of Anglicanism (which is a splinter of the Catholic church). If the definition of a protestant is a reformed church, then Anglicans and Methodists would be protestant, but if the definition of protestantism is Calvinist, Lutheran, etc., then neither Methodists nor Anglicans are protestants. There is much confusion about defining these two denominations, but the key point I make here is that Methodism is very Anglican, more so than anything else. It is so similar that there are even some churches working on uniting the two. Also, theology is nearly identical. There are only a few differences, mostly in general ceremony (e.g., weekly communion vs monthly) and titles. MagnoliaSouth ( talk) 01:50, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
I was trying to find this group (Lord's New Church Which Is Nova Hierosolyma) and was having the hardest time remembering it, I had first Heard of them from this section, so it was kind of stressful to go back and see that it was no longer there, which made me have to do some extra work to remember their name. Is there a reason this group has been removed from the list? they still have an artical on the website but no link from this list now. Anthony maybury ( talk) 09:43, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Because this image is grossly historically inaccurate, even according to the pages linked for the content; because it creates conflict, thereby, with linked pages; because it is completely unnecessary to the content of this page. It should remain removed until consensus is reached. Wikipedia looks pretty stupid keeping this image up. People are laughing at us on message boards thanks to this image. That's where I found it. Shame on whoever originally posted it. -- Wiki Comic Relief ( talk) 14:05, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Obvious incorrect map, for example for distribution of religion for USA , refer http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/12/12/religion-in-americas-states-and-counties-in-6-maps/ . Many other mistakes but main reason , no reliable source provided. Grsd ( talk) 22:45, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Jehovah witnesses are Christians and they have been left off the list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.31.40.253 ( talk) 01:55, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Unitarian Universalist (UU) national organizations such as the Unitarian Universalist Association and the Canadian Unitarian Council do not consider themselves to be Christian groups, but a minority of their members are Christian (mostly of the Unitarianism and Christian Universalism varieties). But national organizations for Unitarians (such as the American Unitarian Conference and Christian Universalists (such as the Christian Universalist Association) do consider themselves to be Christian groups. The confusion is cussed by the fact that UU national organizations have been founded by the coming together of groups that began as Unitarian and Christian Universalist respectively. And as a result one can not tell by the name of one of these groups, example the Canadian Unitarian Council, if they are UU or Christian of either the Unitarian or Christian Universalist varieties. What I am asking is, as this is a list of Christian denominations, should UU groups by listed here? I think not. But I am looking to gain some consensus before I begin to be bold again, as I have already been reverted once after having bold on this topic. Thoughts? -- Devin Murphy ( talk) 20:36, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Listed twice 72.197.155.162 ( talk) 18:33, 6 February 2016 (UTC)david park 20160206
Remonstrants are currently not listed. It is not easy to place them. In their ways they share much with the Pentecost movement but are not member of a Pentecost organization and are much older. Their belief is based on the Reformed teachings of Jacobus Arminius. This got them expelled from the Reformed churches in the Synod of Dort. They are still a (small) church within the Netherlands. Formally it makes sense to add them to the reformed list like the Huguenots; but the Remonstrants where actively kicked out. What do you think? Arnoutf ( talk) 21:26, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
There is no consensus to merge these pages, and no likelihood that consensus is possible (one way or another). While participants have expressed their belief with policy based language, they remain steadfast in their opposition with no compromise in sight and no hint that common ground may exist. The relative "lack of participation" in context with how long the discussion endured indicates that a contingent of prospective respondents chose to give silent support, instead, for the easily discernible outcome, well entrenched by the divergent sides; especially in light of a near doubling in page views throughout the discussion, since it began.
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The discussion is, therefor, closed without prejudice or restrictions against discussing a merger anew; amidst the following recommendations: avoid commingling content disputes with a proposal's merge rationale; nearly ensuring a consensus will not emerge. For example: challenging the neutrality of the list's existing sort order was, at best, ill advised. Espouse compromise, as well, and avoid excessive zeal when advocating a side; too often, thereby, is discussion derailed. ( non-admin closure) by -- John Cline ( talk) 06:40, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Current sorting "by theology and history" is flawed per WP:NPOV. I object. This could be an extensive discussion, but needing to have it has been implied by the responses of the above merge discussion. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 21:56, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
I advocate merging List of Christian denominations by number of members with this list, for the following reasons:
Chicbyaccident ( talk) 16:09, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Are we having a consensus for a merge? Chicbyaccident ( talk) 17:04, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Bnng: Fair enough about the vote. However, the branching that you are referring, isn't that branching employed also in the "by numbers of members" list? That is why I guess we who support a merge expect more convincing arguments for duplicate lists, and in particular for the one simply disregarding figures. In short, you are asked to put forth arguments, and if not I have a hard time seeing how you can block a correction of an unexplained state of exception from WP:NPOV. See also the discussion about that under the header immediately here below. Chicbyaccident ( talk)
@ SMcCandlish: inter alia: Longstanding result: 5 support (including nominator), 1 neutral (but "more positive"), and 3 oppose. Notable is that during the time of the discussion, users have updated the contents of List of Christian denominations to further look like List of Christian denominations by number of members, including name of denominational families ordered by size aready (but without the actual numbers). In summary, 3 oppose againt 5 support for introducing the members numbers to the denominations' names seems not convincing for keeping away added, relevant content from this list, but instead to merge the two lists in one, coherent list for more convenient maintaince and overview. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 14:09, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
@ TheTexasNationalist99: Don't worry. I, and hopefully the others, will help you with it. If a few lack figures we'll get there in time per WP:NOTFINISHED. The important thing is to finish the merge now per WP:NPOV (getting away with precurrent arbitrary ordering). Alright? Are you ready? Chicbyaccident ( talk) 21:37, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
"5 support (including nominator), 1 neutral (but "more positive"), and 3 oppose" (actually 5 oppose, including the one who was not counted and me) is not consensus, at all. Moreover, this discussion was notified just once at Talk:List of Christian denominations by number of members, it was one year ago and users following List of Christian denominations by number of members (like me) were not informed about anything. The two lists have different scopes and different content. I oppose the merger or, at least, a merger without numbers. Per User:Bnng and User:StAnselm, I will restore List of Christian denominations by number of members. After that, I will be much willing to discuss, but clearly we need more editors involved in the discussion. @ User:Walter Görlitz, User:Ernio48, User:SMcCandlish, User:Rmhermen, User:Chicbyaccident, User:STSC, User:FyzixFighter, User:TheTexasNationalist99: Please all of you have a say! -- Checco ( talk) 07:14, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
Comment: This whole proposal is dead. It's been nearly two years now and a consensus still will not be reached.-- TheTexasNationalist99 ( talk) 21:51, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
This article is re-directed from 'Branches of Christianity', but is titled denominations. That doesn't seem accurate nor helpful. The article on Christianity says, "Worldwide, the three largest branches of Christianity are the Catholic Church, Protestantism, and the Eastern Orthodox Church." It seems to me that Branches are the larger category, with denominations being sub-categories. Maybe the sections here about Branches should be in their own titled article, with this one reserved for the myriad of denominations within Branches? UnderEducatedGeezer ( talk) 03:16, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Before I considering addition of them, are they Primitive, Calvinist, Old School or even Fundamentalist Baptists? The Westboro Baptist Church based in Topeka, Kansas is infamous for their anti-gay or homophobic, as well other forms of hatred in their pickets and sermons. 12.218.47.124 ( talk) 03:04, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
"The WBC is not affiliated with any Baptist denomination, although it describes itself as Primitive Baptist and following the five points of Calvinism."
Since Independent Catholicism has been moved to the other category listing as well, should the same happen for independent and/or syncretic Orthodoxy?-- TheTexasNationalist99 ( talk) 14:08, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
When is the time to accept the Moscow–Constantinople schism (2018) as fait accompli, listing Russian Orthodox Church under "Independent Eastern Orthodoxy"? If and when the schism would be resolved, it would not hard to move it back. In the meantime, what about the accuracy? Chicbyaccident ( talk) 23:06, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
It has been noted by the Malankara Marthoma Syrian Church that false information is given by this wikipedia page on the position of the Marthoma Syrian Church within Christendom.The Church only has the authority to declare which branch of Christianity it belongs to not anyone else. The Malankara Marthoma Syrian Church IS ORTHODOX in faith and it is NOT PROTESTANT OR ANGLICAN.IT HAS POSITIONS UNDER INDEPENDENT ORIENTAL ORTHODOXY AND REFORMED ORTHDOXY. Sebin Prasad Cheriyan Marvallill ( talk) 07:14, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
There was a nucleus of people in the church who longed for the removal of unscriptural customs and practices which had crept into the church over the centuries. They envisioned a reformation in the Church in the light of the Gospel of our Lord. There were two outstanding leaders in this group, one was Palakunnathu Abraham Malpan of Maramon (1796-1845) and the other, Kaithayil Geevarghese Malpan of Puthuppally (1800-1855). Both were teachers in the Syrian Seminary (established in AD 1813 by Pulikottil Mar Dionysius) and had opportunities to come into close personal contact with the missionaries and to share their insights regarding the Christian life and the nature and functioning of the Church as depicted in the New Testament and to imbibe the ideas of the Western Reformation. The group led by these two was very much concerned about the need of a revival in the Church.
The founding influence that inspired the reformers was indisputably, Anglican. The reformers imbibed the ideas of reformation, which they later carried out, from the Anglican missionaries. Additionally, this website declares that the Marthoma Church is in full communion with the entire
Anglican Communion. It does not mention any communion relationship with any other Christian bodies, except for general ecumenical ties, which all Christian denominations in this day and age, maintain. This claim about communion with Anglicans, is acknowledged in the official website of the Anglican communion (
https://www.anglicancommunion.org/ecumenism/churches-in-communion.aspx), which lists the Marthoma church as one of the denominations in communion with it.
Additionally, no credible source on the Eastern Orthodox or Oriental Orthodox communions even mentions the Marthoma church at all. This is only because the Marthoma church represents a few minor nineteenth century dissenting movements in Eastern Christianity and is not part of its historic mainstream represented by Eastern and Oriental Orthodox communions as well as the Church of the East. This should make it clear as crystal, to any sane person that the present classification of Marthoma church as Reformed Eastern Christian with Anglican influences is accurate and must not be disrupted.
One thing more..... Your self declaration as the member of the Marthoma denomination, brings with it a conflict of interest and seriously blights you from being perceived as impartial. Silly gimmicks like the one above will only serve to make people laugh. Instead, come up with very good secondary sources by people not directly connected to the subject. Special thanks to @ Chad The Goatman: and @ Srnec: for reverting disruptions. Macinderum ( talk) 07:23, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
The page is getting much neater over time, and is now in conforming more with the article "Christian Denominations by Number" which is helpful for readership.
Some Churches listed under miscellaneous and 'other' over time need to be catagorized correcly
If you are unsure where a church you are adding goes, list it under misc or othet and I or someone wilk sort it later.
Keep up the good work wikians! Missionisagape ( talk) 12:40, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi Wikipedians! Where would the Mita Congregation fit into this list, if at all?-- The Eloquent Peasant ( talk) 01:29, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
REPLY: This organization according to that page believe heterodox trinitarian ideas so it would be classified as a charismatic non-niceaotrinitarian movement or church, aka "Restorationist" -missionisagape — Preceding unsigned comment added by Missionisagape ( talk • contribs) 20:06, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
There was a partial list of Pentecostal denominations which had built up in list-article List of Pentecostal churches. I deleted all of the denomination items, because that is and always has been a list of individual Pentecostal places of worship. Maybe some of them should be added here though. -- Doncram ( talk) 01:48, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
I just wanted to give a heads up that this is not a Christian organisation. Rather, they worship a woman in Korea known as Mother God. They do use bits of the Bible, but largely they rely on these things called 'Truth Books' which are supposedly private revelations. I feel like this at least needs to be noted on the page. TiggyTheTerrible ( talk) 08:29, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
My adding a couple entries to the Late ancient and Medieval section was reverted bu @Veverve on the grounds that the groups I added were no longer extant. That applies to most of the section- should it be deleted altogether? 72.201.86.125 ( talk) 21:13, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
I am new as a Wikipedian and can embarrass myself. Not really having tried to edit a topic yet. Remember this as you evaluate my example of improvement. Two or three rejection I can deal with though I dislike.
In one Biblical Church the saved were called Christian. The meaning of Christian inhabits that of meaning Christianity as if it were member being in the Church within their church building. Unless other than the nature of things "Christian" has a general meaning most read and most accept as common. When a title in a persons past life explains past and present ( and may be explains future ) circumstance a person commits to being this. Any person can commit even when that person is smaller than any title offered and has no title. A person commits to a title making a person committed to and carrying out all work associated with this title by the person accepting this title which proves the person with the title. Past present and future, the meaning is the same for as long as the title sticks when the title is kept.
I am not saying that there is no need for denoting reference to single or multiple belief, ( This is not to disgrace those who are Christian. ) and since Christian are protected in the United States Of America from any type of harm, mind, body, and soul, it is not only wrong to use Christian in differently but punishable.. An example of this punishment is comparable with a member having said or done some small wrong within the large Church, catches hell outside the church. This being offensive to the person harmed is by Church decision to be refunded to the offended in the manner agreed on by both. Christian is a title only, and one people in the United States Of America take seriously. The Wikipedian who used "Christian" here has to some degree, small or large, offended the Christian. If small enough, a simple "I am sorry, I apologize" after fixing the problem, often makes things right. Leroy 11-28-1952 ( talk) 04:01, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Since when is the C&MA is a uniting church? It's a holiness denomination ! 24.201.79.253 ( talk) 21:34, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of Christian denominations's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Melton2005":
Among the items deleted by Wesley as unnecessary for Methodists were articles on of Works Before Justification, which in Calvinism are largely discounted, but in Methodism lauded; Of Predestination and Election, which Wesley felt would be understood in a Calvinist manner that the Methodists rejected; and of the Traditions of the Church, which Wesley felt to be no longer at issue.
Most narrowly, it denotes a movement that began within the Roman Catholic Church in Europe in the 16th century and the churches that come directly out of it. In this narrow sense, Protestantism would include the Lutheran, Reformed or Presbyterian, and Anglican (Church of England) churches, and by extension the churches of the British Puritan movement, which sought to bring the Church of England into the Reformed/Presbyterian camp. Most recently, scholars have argued quite effectively that the churches of the radical phase of the 16th-century Reformation, the Anabaptist and Mennonite groups, also belong within this more narrow usage.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:01, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
The Oriental Orthodox Church and the Church of the East are with a great historical importance and have a great cultural impact in the present, in their geographical locations; for a more objective view of the page, they should be have a separate section, rather than being a subcategory of Early Christianity. MaxAfton ( talk) 18:34, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
I find it unhelpful to categorize smaller catholic and eastern orthodox denominations under the "independent sacramental" heading rather than the "catholic" and "orthodox" headings, respectively. The introductory paragraph to the independent category and the categorization itself seems to violate NPOV. The ISM is loose and overlapping with these other categories, and the Wikipedia page for it seems to say Union of Utrecht churches are not a part of it, unlike this list. 50.37.165.54 ( talk) 03:34, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
User:GastonN'estPasBon has moved several denominations out of their traditional heading into separate Evangelical sections for each tradition. There is no consensus for this change and I have reverted his/her changes. I find User:GastonN'estPasBon's categorization to be confusing as the classification of certain denominations as evangelical are not black and white, but nuanced. Many mainline denominations might have a strong evangelical contingent, dependent on geography. The United Methodists in Africa, for example, have an evangelical churchmanship while those in New England might have a more progressive churchmanship. An individual looking for Methodist denominations would have to toggle between two sections to find all of the Methodist denominations. In view of this, I have restored the stable version of the article prior to the changes made by User:GastonN'estPasBon. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam Talk 17:46, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
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The United Church of Canada is not Presbyterian — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45words ( talk • contribs) 23:12, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Cathars? I don't believe the Cathars belong here any more than would the Arians or the Gnostics. Just because a group resisted and was persecuted by the Catholics doesn't necessarily make them Protestant. Cathar beliefs certainly don't mesh with what is generally regarded as Protestantism.
It has come to our attention that Conservative Friends (Wilburites) were missing from the list. We added them. Conservative Quakerism is alive and well in the USA, Canada, UK, Greece, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.140.40.239 ( talk) 12:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Isn't listing both Christian Science and Church of Christ, Scientist redundant, or was this intentional to distinguish the church from the ideas? WilliamKF ( talk) 03:10, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
I am nervous about the new additions under the Armenian Apostolic Church (Oriental Orthodox). There are a couple problems. First, they are not links to what they appear to be, for several of them. Our practice here is only to link to churches that have Wikipedia pages, and several of these are links to something other than the actual named church body. For example, the link named "Catholicosate of Etchmiadzin" does not point to the Catholicosate (a church organization) but rather to Catholicos of All Armenians, which is a description of an office. (It is as if "Roman Catholic Church" linked to Pope or "Church of England" linked to Archbishop of Canterbury.) Likewise "Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople" links to Armenian Patriarch of Constantinople, and "Catholicosate of Cilica" links to Holy See of Cilicia. Second, the practice has been to identify more or less independent groups. For those subject to the pope, we list each church sui juris; we list each independent Anglican church; we list autonomous and autocephalous Eastern Orthodox churches. It would be bad to set the precedent that we list the internal hierarchical subdivisions too far down for groups (especially when those subdivisions don't have their own pages), or the page would become unmanagably huge. It's not that the specific case of the Armenian Apostolic Church is a problem, but that the precedent set will get used to start listing every Roman Catholic province, every presbytery in the PCUSA, and so forth. The page at Oriental Orthodoxy does list these groups, but I think we need to be careful. The key question is, however vaguely, what degree of autonomy do they enjoy? Is it at all similar to the three second-level subdivisions in this category now? And, more to the point, our policy has always been that links should be added here only after the bodies in question have their own Wikipedia articles. And so:
This list should comply with the guidelines of WP:SAL. This includes "where the membership criteria are subjective or likely to be disputed, list definitions should be based on reliable sources". With particular regard to the section List of Christian denominations#New religious movements which includes some organizations that have been termed "cults" in the press, these definitely fall in the area of "likely to be disputed" and require third party sources. I am unclear on how an organization that may call itself "Christian" but has no official recognition and may even be seen as a money-making scam could be labelled a "Christian denomination" as the term denomination would be in contradiction to the lack of official recognition.
For example the Shangra-la Mission has no official status as a "denomination" as it existed as website with two people who declared themselves "anointed messengers for the Great White Brotherhood". With no third party sources to back up an assertion that their organization is considered a "Christian denomination", their inclusion here is ridiculous.
I am adding the references needed tag back on this basis.— Ash ( talk) 21:02, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm grateful for your attention to this. A brief perusal of all those groups shows that your suspicions were certainly correct. I don't object in principle to anyone who wants to add sources. At the same time, I think it's ridiculous to doubt that the PCUSA or the Roman Catholic Church is belongs here simply because it doesn't have a source. Their own pages have perfectly adequate sources already. Are there other cases you think should be examined? Tb ( talk) 06:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
I've made a slew of recent edits now, much cleaning up this section. My own concern is far more with the mainstreamy things, and I'm grateful for your prodding to clean up this grubby corner of the page and bring it up to proper standards. Will you give another look and see what you think? Most crucially, it occurs to me that "new" is not a category--that "new movement" is the modern neologism for "cult", without the negative overtones--when this page should not be concerned there, but rather with what it claims to: historical and doctrinal categorization. The remaining groups fell into three categories: syncretistic groups (hence the new section title), where I cleaned out the ones that didn't actually include Christian elements, one group which is simply another non-Trinitarian group, and one group which is a secular association. I think it's vastly improved, though surely more work remains to be done. Tb ( talk) 20:56, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
According to the note, there are more than 38'000 sects. If the link to the source is followed, the wording is *approximately*. If *their* source is followed, the number is 33830 as of 2001 (source: http://christianity.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=christianity&cdn=religion&tm=15&f=00&tt=11&bt=1&bts=1&zu=http%3A//www.adherents.com/misc/WCE.html )
Could somebody verify and fix this? Thanks :) 93.161.59.1 ( talk) 11:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Considering Wikipedia has made a decision to remove the Roman prefix as RCC does not represent Eastern Catholics (part of the world wide Catholisim, along with Latin/Western Catholism)...its time to make the clarification to this citation, and simply state: Catholic Church with perhaps Latin/Western and Eastern subdivisions (recongizing that Maronite and Italo-Albanian churches never left the universal Church. Micael ( talk) 23:05, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
""We must find a term which, difficult though it is, does not express a POV claim which we should not be making."
Plain and simply, some subjects have absolutely no neutral POV...its an impossibility...to pretend there is one, would be a POV claim in and of itself. Therefore, the final conclusion made regarding the Catholic Church terminology of that Wiki article.
"In this context, to remove it is insulting to the other churches, listed right there, who consider themselves equally catholic" ...
Well what you and many do not seem to understand that doing so is just as insulting to Catholics also listed right there. Bottom line is that you can not insult one without insulting another. Hence you must look at the historical meaning of the Catholic Church at the very least. That said, (just as you mentioned for Roman Catholic) you simply make a stance regardless of who it offends and make a choice which is most OBJECTIVE to history and/or least insultive at to Christians at large, not to denominations in general. Therefore, I suggest looking at the earliest Church fathers of the first four centuries of Christiandom and find the characteristics of that "Catholic" church and find which one is fundimentally identical to that Church. (Starting with Ignatius of Antiochs letter to the Smyrnaeans see http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.v.html ) Secondly, Catholic Christians make up over a billion Christians worldwide that is more than double of any other. Therefore by siding with the POV of non-Catholics which consider themselves equally catholic as well you are siding to not offend the grand miniority and instead offend a great many others. This is foolish, the context of this citation is simply the generic title of Christian denominations not what they consider themselves individually, it is a simple diagram of world 'denominations'! Lastly, saying Catholics are Roman is quite disingenuous to millions of non-Latin(Roman) Easterners, but certainly 100% Catholic.
So whether you recognize it or not you are claiming POV statements, regardless of how you try to avoid it. You are the one making claims when you look into this so miopically, trying to find the non-existing NPOV, not realizing this is simply a citation pointing out to Church titles in a generic sense. To make this more than that is taking its point out of context, and attempting to pretend there is NPOV, which does not exist and simultaneously insulting millions of Catholics, interestingly making a POV by trying to avoid it! Micael ( talk) 11:57, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
For the sake of clarification: I am discussing the diagram-template listed as "Major Branches within Christianity"..;
...Tb, the mere existence of a relative few churches considering themselves catholic does not remove the reality that there are objective facts involved historically and substantially...otherwise you water down the very essence of an encyclopedia. The bottom line is that there are acceptable general understandings as well as, objective, FACTUAL-historical ones. The point is that some things are applicable by more than mere subjective considerations. It is with such an understanding that Wikipedia (and the majority of worldwide encyclopedias) has accepted for the Catholic Church to call itself simply the " Catholic Church" as it is the most historical and objective TITLE for such a church, not to mention it truly is the most common title for the Church itself.(are you going to deny that the Wiki article for the Church appears as simply Catholic Church?) Also, the mere existence of churches that consider themselves catholic certainly DOES NOT obviate discussion of the issue. It's the equal of saying that multiple political parties disagree yet those parties that disagree represent a grand minority of the people. That is exactly what you are doing. Catholics represent over 1 billion of the world's Christians and call themselves as such. While on the other hand while there may exist a few that consider themselves catholic yet may or may not even entitle themselves as such, it is none-the-less but a miniscule minority ill representative of the Christian consensus. Thus, to say there is a mere existence.. of other parties/churches..., is an insincere alibi for providing a false-neutral POV in the name of appeasing a limited few while insulting the grand majority of over 1 billion Christians that proclaim themselves as members of what is ENTITLED globally and historically as simply the Catholic Church, besides the great many non-Catholics which accept and are not offended by Catholics calling their Church as such. I'm not even addressing the exaggerative preeminence of subjective opinionated views above historical objective evidence.
However, all this is well beyond the context of this citation. The citation is merely showing a generic breakdown (in large part) of the major Christian denominations and they are reflected and compared to from a historical perspective. It speaks of these churches as they are entitled, not merely what they consider themselves subjectively- but a TITULAR historical/objective context. Otherwise, why the dotted line for the Restorationalist, no objective evidence, only claimed evidence. That said, I'm simply saying; Wikipedia and this citation should be consistent...1) if Wikipedia has, for the church described here as Roman Catholic is not named in such a manner in its article for the very church being discussed then it should be corrected. (an article is certainly more impacting that a mere visual image/table- therefore, why your intransigence?) 2) It is very much incorrect to call Eastern Catholic churches, Roman. The Roman or Latin church has always been understood as "the West”, hence the oxymoronic connotation to say Eastern Catholic Church, of the Roman Catholic Church. NO, it’s the Eastern and Latin/Roman churches, of the CATHOLIC Church. Micael ( talk) 09:40, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Updated the Diagram to reflect 2013 realities Qurbono ( talk) 17:54, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
There needs to be a separate section on this article entitled "Church of the East". It should include the Assyrian Church of the East (which is currently listed incorrectly in the "Catholic" section), and the Ancient Church of the East, which split off from the Assyrian Church in the 1960s. -- El on ka 17:08, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
It's an odd place, but [1] came up fairly quickly. Kind of a creepy source, but it would be interesting to see. See as well the Product Description of [2]. Or the last paragraph of [3]. And of course, there is its official name: the Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East. Now, "Orthodox"--there's a word the Assyrian Church of the East rejects faster than, well, some appropriate simile. Tb ( talk) 01:07, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
I think Anglicanism should be moved back to the Catholic section. The point was made that it is equally identified as Protestant. But that is not true. Not all Anglican theologians have agreed that their church is Catholic. The general formula that was agreed upon was "Reformed and Catholic", not "Protestant and Catholic". Seeing as how the Anglican Communion has generally been self-identified as Catholic, but only by some as Protestant, I think it is clear that it belongs in the Catholic section. Deusveritasest ( talk) 02:26, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Am I the only one who finds these little tidbits at the end of various sections totally unnecessary? Deusveritasest ( talk) 04:33, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
This church is missing from the list. Sarcelles ( talk) 16:00, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
But Mar Thoma Church is in communion with other churches also, not only with Anglicans. This Church has nothing to do with "United and uniting churches". Probably someone who is ignorant of the history, traditions and teachings of this Church wants it there, so it is there. Neduvelilmathew ( talk) 15:05, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
The Mar Thoma sect is a split from the Oriental Orthodox Church in India, with protestant doctrine. Qurbono ( talk) 17:28, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
In an earlier talk on the position of the Holy Marthoma Syrian Church , I have mentioned the true orientation of the Marthoma Church and had replied to their questions which has been edited and deleted by people Sebin Prasad Cheriyan Marvallill ( talk) 04:57, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
These people seem to have power and authority in deciding the faith,history and orientation of the Marthoma Syrian Church. They seem go have formed a hate group against the holy Marthoma Church and tries to constantly vandalize the Marthoma Church several pages.Let The Lord Jesus Christ judge them and protect the Holy Marthoma Syrian Church Sebin Prasad Cheriyan Marvallill ( talk) 05:02, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Special thanks to Neduvelilmathew (talk) and Sarcelles (talk) on questioning this false attribution of the Marthoma Church. Sebin Prasad Cheriyan Marvallill ( talk) 05:06, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
The Marthoma Church is not Anglican .it is ORIENTAL ORTHODOX Sebin Prasad Cheriyan Marvallill ( talk) 05:09, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Why are the Latter Day Saints given a sub-section as if the movement is as large or influential as "Catholicism" or "Protestantism"? Wouldn't they belong in "non-trinitarian groups" or under a "restorationist" sub-section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.119.141 ( talk) 02:55, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Please consider the fact that they are simply not Christian at all. Abrahamic rooted-ish, however not "Christian". See : Jew = Torah / Christian = Bible / Mormon = Book of Mormon / Jew = Jehovah / Christian = Jesus / Mormon = Kolob, 'Adam god' & Smith. Msqared80 ( talk) 18:15, 12 June 2015 (UTC) [1] [2]
Thank you NielN I did. Seeking to use the most ancient and 'pure' interpretation of the Bible is one thing, it is not the same as including and accepting a whole different book "The Book of Mormon" which is clearly not Biblical and defines the religion as not Christian but a parallel branch of the greater Abrahamic Mythos. See : http://magazine.biola.edu/article/12-summer/what-are-the-key-differences-between-mormonism-and/ , http://www.patheos.com/blogs/bibleandculture/2012/08/27/why-mormons-are-not-christians-the-issue-of-christology/ , /info/en/?search=Mormonism_and_Christianity & https://books.google.com/books?id=QUWqDQAAQBAJ&lpg=PT314&ots=Xv0ykBvypj&dq=abrahamic%20mythology%20.edu&pg=PT314#v=onepage&q=abrahamic%20mythology%20.edu&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by Msqared80 ( talk • contribs) 20:36, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
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LDS consider themselves nontrinitarian Missionisagape ( talk) 12:50, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
LDS consider themselves nontrinitarian Missionisagape ( talk) 12:51, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Including Anglicanism in Catholicism is ridiculous and outrageous. Having it as its own section is bad enough; including it in Catholicism is completely indefensible, and blatant POV-pushing. john k ( talk) 22:01, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Almost every book or encyclopedia that I've read breaks the Christian denominations into three major groups; Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox. Even the Christianity template on Wikipedia shows those three plus Nontrinitarian. Why is Orthodox part of Catholic here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.194.56.199 ( talk) 15:38, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
The Latin Church and the Eastern Catholic Churches are all under the authority of the Pope. So doesn't that make them one denomination with varied rites, as opposed to 23 different denominations? 128.250.5.246 ( talk) 02:56, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
As all of them treat themselves as a special group apart from other denominations it is probably best to leave it as is. 99.195.200.51 ( talk) 16:45, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
I looked through this whole list, but I did not find Christian Atheism (I prefer to call it "Atheistic Christianity", but that's just me). Is there a reason it is not here? Did I miss it? Where would it go if we were to add it? 97.96.65.123 ( talk) 15:52, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
This list specific Christian denominations, not variations of Atheism. 99.195.200.51 ( talk) 16:52, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Noticed this myself. Is there any reason the Christian Missionary Alliance is listed twice. It is both under "Pietists and Holiness Churches" and "Miscellaneous/Other". Unless I'm mistaken and there are two denominations with the same name, I'd say one of these doesn't need to be there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.99.149.210 ( talk) 06:38, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
Iagree. The C&MA should be listed as a Holiness Church since it's roots are in the Deeper Life Movement. I recommend it be removed from Misc/Other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srvfan84 ( talk • contribs) 18:42, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
There's really no reason to add "Please note" to the page, it adds nothing to the text. The text is there so people will note it, see WP:EDITORIALIZING for a similar case. Mark Arsten ( talk) 03:24, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Universalism is a completely separate religion. Why is it listed as a denomination as Christianity? 214.13.69.132 ( talk) 03:36, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
I don't see the relevance of the Catholic church's opinion on the true church in the lead. -- JFHutson ( talk) 04:07, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
You're right, so I removed it. Editor2020 ( talk) 04:55, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Methodism is a splinter of Anglicanism (which is a splinter of the Catholic church). If the definition of a protestant is a reformed church, then Anglicans and Methodists would be protestant, but if the definition of protestantism is Calvinist, Lutheran, etc., then neither Methodists nor Anglicans are protestants. There is much confusion about defining these two denominations, but the key point I make here is that Methodism is very Anglican, more so than anything else. It is so similar that there are even some churches working on uniting the two. Also, theology is nearly identical. There are only a few differences, mostly in general ceremony (e.g., weekly communion vs monthly) and titles. MagnoliaSouth ( talk) 01:50, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
I was trying to find this group (Lord's New Church Which Is Nova Hierosolyma) and was having the hardest time remembering it, I had first Heard of them from this section, so it was kind of stressful to go back and see that it was no longer there, which made me have to do some extra work to remember their name. Is there a reason this group has been removed from the list? they still have an artical on the website but no link from this list now. Anthony maybury ( talk) 09:43, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Because this image is grossly historically inaccurate, even according to the pages linked for the content; because it creates conflict, thereby, with linked pages; because it is completely unnecessary to the content of this page. It should remain removed until consensus is reached. Wikipedia looks pretty stupid keeping this image up. People are laughing at us on message boards thanks to this image. That's where I found it. Shame on whoever originally posted it. -- Wiki Comic Relief ( talk) 14:05, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Obvious incorrect map, for example for distribution of religion for USA , refer http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/12/12/religion-in-americas-states-and-counties-in-6-maps/ . Many other mistakes but main reason , no reliable source provided. Grsd ( talk) 22:45, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Jehovah witnesses are Christians and they have been left off the list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.31.40.253 ( talk) 01:55, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Unitarian Universalist (UU) national organizations such as the Unitarian Universalist Association and the Canadian Unitarian Council do not consider themselves to be Christian groups, but a minority of their members are Christian (mostly of the Unitarianism and Christian Universalism varieties). But national organizations for Unitarians (such as the American Unitarian Conference and Christian Universalists (such as the Christian Universalist Association) do consider themselves to be Christian groups. The confusion is cussed by the fact that UU national organizations have been founded by the coming together of groups that began as Unitarian and Christian Universalist respectively. And as a result one can not tell by the name of one of these groups, example the Canadian Unitarian Council, if they are UU or Christian of either the Unitarian or Christian Universalist varieties. What I am asking is, as this is a list of Christian denominations, should UU groups by listed here? I think not. But I am looking to gain some consensus before I begin to be bold again, as I have already been reverted once after having bold on this topic. Thoughts? -- Devin Murphy ( talk) 20:36, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
Listed twice 72.197.155.162 ( talk) 18:33, 6 February 2016 (UTC)david park 20160206
Remonstrants are currently not listed. It is not easy to place them. In their ways they share much with the Pentecost movement but are not member of a Pentecost organization and are much older. Their belief is based on the Reformed teachings of Jacobus Arminius. This got them expelled from the Reformed churches in the Synod of Dort. They are still a (small) church within the Netherlands. Formally it makes sense to add them to the reformed list like the Huguenots; but the Remonstrants where actively kicked out. What do you think? Arnoutf ( talk) 21:26, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
There is no consensus to merge these pages, and no likelihood that consensus is possible (one way or another). While participants have expressed their belief with policy based language, they remain steadfast in their opposition with no compromise in sight and no hint that common ground may exist. The relative "lack of participation" in context with how long the discussion endured indicates that a contingent of prospective respondents chose to give silent support, instead, for the easily discernible outcome, well entrenched by the divergent sides; especially in light of a near doubling in page views throughout the discussion, since it began.
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The discussion is, therefor, closed without prejudice or restrictions against discussing a merger anew; amidst the following recommendations: avoid commingling content disputes with a proposal's merge rationale; nearly ensuring a consensus will not emerge. For example: challenging the neutrality of the list's existing sort order was, at best, ill advised. Espouse compromise, as well, and avoid excessive zeal when advocating a side; too often, thereby, is discussion derailed. ( non-admin closure) by -- John Cline ( talk) 06:40, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
Current sorting "by theology and history" is flawed per WP:NPOV. I object. This could be an extensive discussion, but needing to have it has been implied by the responses of the above merge discussion. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 21:56, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
I advocate merging List of Christian denominations by number of members with this list, for the following reasons:
Chicbyaccident ( talk) 16:09, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Are we having a consensus for a merge? Chicbyaccident ( talk) 17:04, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
@ Bnng: Fair enough about the vote. However, the branching that you are referring, isn't that branching employed also in the "by numbers of members" list? That is why I guess we who support a merge expect more convincing arguments for duplicate lists, and in particular for the one simply disregarding figures. In short, you are asked to put forth arguments, and if not I have a hard time seeing how you can block a correction of an unexplained state of exception from WP:NPOV. See also the discussion about that under the header immediately here below. Chicbyaccident ( talk)
@ SMcCandlish: inter alia: Longstanding result: 5 support (including nominator), 1 neutral (but "more positive"), and 3 oppose. Notable is that during the time of the discussion, users have updated the contents of List of Christian denominations to further look like List of Christian denominations by number of members, including name of denominational families ordered by size aready (but without the actual numbers). In summary, 3 oppose againt 5 support for introducing the members numbers to the denominations' names seems not convincing for keeping away added, relevant content from this list, but instead to merge the two lists in one, coherent list for more convenient maintaince and overview. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 14:09, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
@ TheTexasNationalist99: Don't worry. I, and hopefully the others, will help you with it. If a few lack figures we'll get there in time per WP:NOTFINISHED. The important thing is to finish the merge now per WP:NPOV (getting away with precurrent arbitrary ordering). Alright? Are you ready? Chicbyaccident ( talk) 21:37, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
"5 support (including nominator), 1 neutral (but "more positive"), and 3 oppose" (actually 5 oppose, including the one who was not counted and me) is not consensus, at all. Moreover, this discussion was notified just once at Talk:List of Christian denominations by number of members, it was one year ago and users following List of Christian denominations by number of members (like me) were not informed about anything. The two lists have different scopes and different content. I oppose the merger or, at least, a merger without numbers. Per User:Bnng and User:StAnselm, I will restore List of Christian denominations by number of members. After that, I will be much willing to discuss, but clearly we need more editors involved in the discussion. @ User:Walter Görlitz, User:Ernio48, User:SMcCandlish, User:Rmhermen, User:Chicbyaccident, User:STSC, User:FyzixFighter, User:TheTexasNationalist99: Please all of you have a say! -- Checco ( talk) 07:14, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
Comment: This whole proposal is dead. It's been nearly two years now and a consensus still will not be reached.-- TheTexasNationalist99 ( talk) 21:51, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
This article is re-directed from 'Branches of Christianity', but is titled denominations. That doesn't seem accurate nor helpful. The article on Christianity says, "Worldwide, the three largest branches of Christianity are the Catholic Church, Protestantism, and the Eastern Orthodox Church." It seems to me that Branches are the larger category, with denominations being sub-categories. Maybe the sections here about Branches should be in their own titled article, with this one reserved for the myriad of denominations within Branches? UnderEducatedGeezer ( talk) 03:16, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Before I considering addition of them, are they Primitive, Calvinist, Old School or even Fundamentalist Baptists? The Westboro Baptist Church based in Topeka, Kansas is infamous for their anti-gay or homophobic, as well other forms of hatred in their pickets and sermons. 12.218.47.124 ( talk) 03:04, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
"The WBC is not affiliated with any Baptist denomination, although it describes itself as Primitive Baptist and following the five points of Calvinism."
Since Independent Catholicism has been moved to the other category listing as well, should the same happen for independent and/or syncretic Orthodoxy?-- TheTexasNationalist99 ( talk) 14:08, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
When is the time to accept the Moscow–Constantinople schism (2018) as fait accompli, listing Russian Orthodox Church under "Independent Eastern Orthodoxy"? If and when the schism would be resolved, it would not hard to move it back. In the meantime, what about the accuracy? Chicbyaccident ( talk) 23:06, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
It has been noted by the Malankara Marthoma Syrian Church that false information is given by this wikipedia page on the position of the Marthoma Syrian Church within Christendom.The Church only has the authority to declare which branch of Christianity it belongs to not anyone else. The Malankara Marthoma Syrian Church IS ORTHODOX in faith and it is NOT PROTESTANT OR ANGLICAN.IT HAS POSITIONS UNDER INDEPENDENT ORIENTAL ORTHODOXY AND REFORMED ORTHDOXY. Sebin Prasad Cheriyan Marvallill ( talk) 07:14, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
There was a nucleus of people in the church who longed for the removal of unscriptural customs and practices which had crept into the church over the centuries. They envisioned a reformation in the Church in the light of the Gospel of our Lord. There were two outstanding leaders in this group, one was Palakunnathu Abraham Malpan of Maramon (1796-1845) and the other, Kaithayil Geevarghese Malpan of Puthuppally (1800-1855). Both were teachers in the Syrian Seminary (established in AD 1813 by Pulikottil Mar Dionysius) and had opportunities to come into close personal contact with the missionaries and to share their insights regarding the Christian life and the nature and functioning of the Church as depicted in the New Testament and to imbibe the ideas of the Western Reformation. The group led by these two was very much concerned about the need of a revival in the Church.
The founding influence that inspired the reformers was indisputably, Anglican. The reformers imbibed the ideas of reformation, which they later carried out, from the Anglican missionaries. Additionally, this website declares that the Marthoma Church is in full communion with the entire
Anglican Communion. It does not mention any communion relationship with any other Christian bodies, except for general ecumenical ties, which all Christian denominations in this day and age, maintain. This claim about communion with Anglicans, is acknowledged in the official website of the Anglican communion (
https://www.anglicancommunion.org/ecumenism/churches-in-communion.aspx), which lists the Marthoma church as one of the denominations in communion with it.
Additionally, no credible source on the Eastern Orthodox or Oriental Orthodox communions even mentions the Marthoma church at all. This is only because the Marthoma church represents a few minor nineteenth century dissenting movements in Eastern Christianity and is not part of its historic mainstream represented by Eastern and Oriental Orthodox communions as well as the Church of the East. This should make it clear as crystal, to any sane person that the present classification of Marthoma church as Reformed Eastern Christian with Anglican influences is accurate and must not be disrupted.
One thing more..... Your self declaration as the member of the Marthoma denomination, brings with it a conflict of interest and seriously blights you from being perceived as impartial. Silly gimmicks like the one above will only serve to make people laugh. Instead, come up with very good secondary sources by people not directly connected to the subject. Special thanks to @ Chad The Goatman: and @ Srnec: for reverting disruptions. Macinderum ( talk) 07:23, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
The page is getting much neater over time, and is now in conforming more with the article "Christian Denominations by Number" which is helpful for readership.
Some Churches listed under miscellaneous and 'other' over time need to be catagorized correcly
If you are unsure where a church you are adding goes, list it under misc or othet and I or someone wilk sort it later.
Keep up the good work wikians! Missionisagape ( talk) 12:40, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi Wikipedians! Where would the Mita Congregation fit into this list, if at all?-- The Eloquent Peasant ( talk) 01:29, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
REPLY: This organization according to that page believe heterodox trinitarian ideas so it would be classified as a charismatic non-niceaotrinitarian movement or church, aka "Restorationist" -missionisagape — Preceding unsigned comment added by Missionisagape ( talk • contribs) 20:06, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
There was a partial list of Pentecostal denominations which had built up in list-article List of Pentecostal churches. I deleted all of the denomination items, because that is and always has been a list of individual Pentecostal places of worship. Maybe some of them should be added here though. -- Doncram ( talk) 01:48, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
I just wanted to give a heads up that this is not a Christian organisation. Rather, they worship a woman in Korea known as Mother God. They do use bits of the Bible, but largely they rely on these things called 'Truth Books' which are supposedly private revelations. I feel like this at least needs to be noted on the page. TiggyTheTerrible ( talk) 08:29, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
My adding a couple entries to the Late ancient and Medieval section was reverted bu @Veverve on the grounds that the groups I added were no longer extant. That applies to most of the section- should it be deleted altogether? 72.201.86.125 ( talk) 21:13, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
I am new as a Wikipedian and can embarrass myself. Not really having tried to edit a topic yet. Remember this as you evaluate my example of improvement. Two or three rejection I can deal with though I dislike.
In one Biblical Church the saved were called Christian. The meaning of Christian inhabits that of meaning Christianity as if it were member being in the Church within their church building. Unless other than the nature of things "Christian" has a general meaning most read and most accept as common. When a title in a persons past life explains past and present ( and may be explains future ) circumstance a person commits to being this. Any person can commit even when that person is smaller than any title offered and has no title. A person commits to a title making a person committed to and carrying out all work associated with this title by the person accepting this title which proves the person with the title. Past present and future, the meaning is the same for as long as the title sticks when the title is kept.
I am not saying that there is no need for denoting reference to single or multiple belief, ( This is not to disgrace those who are Christian. ) and since Christian are protected in the United States Of America from any type of harm, mind, body, and soul, it is not only wrong to use Christian in differently but punishable.. An example of this punishment is comparable with a member having said or done some small wrong within the large Church, catches hell outside the church. This being offensive to the person harmed is by Church decision to be refunded to the offended in the manner agreed on by both. Christian is a title only, and one people in the United States Of America take seriously. The Wikipedian who used "Christian" here has to some degree, small or large, offended the Christian. If small enough, a simple "I am sorry, I apologize" after fixing the problem, often makes things right. Leroy 11-28-1952 ( talk) 04:01, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
Since when is the C&MA is a uniting church? It's a holiness denomination ! 24.201.79.253 ( talk) 21:34, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of Christian denominations's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Melton2005":
Among the items deleted by Wesley as unnecessary for Methodists were articles on of Works Before Justification, which in Calvinism are largely discounted, but in Methodism lauded; Of Predestination and Election, which Wesley felt would be understood in a Calvinist manner that the Methodists rejected; and of the Traditions of the Church, which Wesley felt to be no longer at issue.
Most narrowly, it denotes a movement that began within the Roman Catholic Church in Europe in the 16th century and the churches that come directly out of it. In this narrow sense, Protestantism would include the Lutheran, Reformed or Presbyterian, and Anglican (Church of England) churches, and by extension the churches of the British Puritan movement, which sought to bring the Church of England into the Reformed/Presbyterian camp. Most recently, scholars have argued quite effectively that the churches of the radical phase of the 16th-century Reformation, the Anabaptist and Mennonite groups, also belong within this more narrow usage.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT ⚡ 00:01, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
The Oriental Orthodox Church and the Church of the East are with a great historical importance and have a great cultural impact in the present, in their geographical locations; for a more objective view of the page, they should be have a separate section, rather than being a subcategory of Early Christianity. MaxAfton ( talk) 18:34, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
I find it unhelpful to categorize smaller catholic and eastern orthodox denominations under the "independent sacramental" heading rather than the "catholic" and "orthodox" headings, respectively. The introductory paragraph to the independent category and the categorization itself seems to violate NPOV. The ISM is loose and overlapping with these other categories, and the Wikipedia page for it seems to say Union of Utrecht churches are not a part of it, unlike this list. 50.37.165.54 ( talk) 03:34, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
User:GastonN'estPasBon has moved several denominations out of their traditional heading into separate Evangelical sections for each tradition. There is no consensus for this change and I have reverted his/her changes. I find User:GastonN'estPasBon's categorization to be confusing as the classification of certain denominations as evangelical are not black and white, but nuanced. Many mainline denominations might have a strong evangelical contingent, dependent on geography. The United Methodists in Africa, for example, have an evangelical churchmanship while those in New England might have a more progressive churchmanship. An individual looking for Methodist denominations would have to toggle between two sections to find all of the Methodist denominations. In view of this, I have restored the stable version of the article prior to the changes made by User:GastonN'estPasBon. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam Talk 17:46, 3 July 2024 (UTC)