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What happened to the much better picture which used to be in this article? It was replaced by an ugly prison mugshot. The old picture should be returned. -- 141.154.215.119 07:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Not sure where to find the old pic, but I agree completely, a photo from their labor camp tenure shouldn't be the main portrait of this accomplished scientist. Fulvius 11:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I added the new picture, but i'm not sure what I should select for copyright. Bronstein.jpg is the old picture, it should maybe be scaled down and put in the section on his imprisonment. Fulvius 12:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Please do not call Russian everybody who was born in the Soviet Union or the Russian Empire! People can consider it as neglecting their true ethnic identity. It may offend people.
The word "Russian" may be misinterpreted by the reader. It is not clear what it means in this context: citizenship or ethmicity. The article contains information that L.D.Landau was born in the Russian Empire. So you do not loos any information removing "Russian" from the first sentence. Please do not revert. -- AndriyK 12:51, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Everybody knows what means "American". In contrast, "Russian" can be interpreted differently: It can mean "ethnic Russian". It can mean "citizen of Russia (after 1991)" It can mean "citizen of the Russian Empire (before 1917)". To avoid any confusion it should be clear from the context, or explained explicitely, what this word means in every particular case.
If you say: "Landau was Russian" and then you continue: "He was born in the Russian Empire", most of the readers would interpret this as "Landau was ethnic Russian and he was barn in the Russian Empire". So you text would be misunderstood. You should avoid such things in writing for the Wikipedia.
The Landau's relation to Russia is described quite clearly in the article. The word "Russian" in the firs sentence gives no additional information but can cause a confusion.
If you would like to add information about Landau's spoken language etc., you are free to do it. -- AndriyK 12:51, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
You even did not try to think about avoiding the confusion and misinforming the reader. OK. I will seek for a comment from the comunity. -- AndriyK 13:48, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I removed the word "Russian" from the first sentece of the article, because it can be misleading. A part of the readership can understand it in the present context as "ethnic Russian", which is incorrect. Landau was NOT an ethnic Russian.
Gene s insists on using the adjective Russian, because Landau was born in the Russian Empire and was a sitizen of this country during the first 9 years of his life. (The rest of his life he was a sitizen of Soviet Union, which is NOT the same as Russia.)
In my opinion, Landau's relation to Russia is described quite clearly in the article. The word "Russian" in the first sentence gives no additional information but can cause a confusion. From these reasons it should be removed.
General note:
Well, the word "Russian" has been often used instead of "Soviet". But
From the above reasons, Wikipedia should avoid this mixing.
I would be gratefull to the comunity for their comments on the issue. -- AndriyK 13:48, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I didn't read all discussion, because I'm working on another topics now and I have a little time, sorry for that. For the same reason I'll not go into the discussion, I'll just indicate my point of view on this. Notice a little detail: a link Russian in the article points to the country: Russia, not the ethnicity - Russian, so, it's pretty clear, that it does not mean ethnicity. Landau's main contribution is to the science of the USSR and namely: Russian SFSR, because he worked in Moscow scientific institution most of his life. All Soviet institutions of the Russian SFSR changed their names to those of Russia in 1991-1992, so, Landau's scientific heritage belongs to Russia. It is pretty natural for me, when for example about Soviet scientists who worked most part of their lives in the institutions of Ukrainian SSR, being Russian by nationality, is written: Soviet/ Ukrainian physicist, Russian by nationality, or with Russian roots, if nationality is not clear. So, if you know for sure, you may add, that Landau is Jewish by nationality and add him to the category Jewish people or something like that. But removing Russian and leaving only Soviet, without any indication of the country, to which his heritage belongs now, I think, is inappropriate. Cmapm 19:22, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
What is Landau ethnicity? Jewish or Azerbaijani, or both? I read the article. Not clear to me. 67.113.3.167 06:26, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It is a very safe assumption that Landau, like ALL Soviet citizens, had an "internal passport" (внутренный пасспорт) and that passport would have had a field labeled "Nationality" to be understood in the sense of "ethnicity". If he were Jewish then in all likelihood his nationality would be entered there as "Evrei" (Jew.) In the Soviet Union, "Soviet" was a political concept but NOT an ethic concept although it had sort of a "ethnic subtext" as exemplified in the following частушка (chastushka, little bit of popular doggerel with a point to it) which I might have found in Ogonek years ago (could be wrong though): "Μы гордимся что Гагарин / Не еврей, не татарин / Не тунгус, не узбек / А наш СОВЕТСКИЙ человек " Very roughly it goes: We are proud that Gagarin / is not a Jew, is not a Tatar, is not Tungus, is not Uzbek, but is our Soviet countryman" which is actually a poor translation of something that is pretty much untranslatable but the point should be clear. Furthermore, among Soviets, "Russian" and "Jew" are VERY different. In the US, however, "Russian" is a name most often put on those whose native tongue is Russian. I have on MANY occasions asked people if they are Russian and have gotten the answer "Нет, я еврей" (No, I'm a Jew.) Vladimir Voinovich in the forward to one of his books recalls a person asking him how he, a Jew, could consider himself a RUSSIAN writer, to which he responds "I do not consider myself a Russian writer, I am a Russian writer" but his attitude seems to be not very widespread. (And to say "Jewish subethnicity of Russian etnicity" is wrong - one did not grow out of or give birth to the other, they are quite separate.) If Landau is a Jew then I think that the article should so state. To say that he is Soviet is, in a way, a meaningless statement, it only indicates the political structure under which he lived. Hi There 19:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I believe the biography section is cribbed straight from Landau, the Physicist and the Man ( ISBN 0080363830). -- CYD
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Can anybody add some relevant information? TomyDuby ( talk) 10:35, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
We say Ланда́у. Is this correct? The German original is stressed on the first syllable: LAN-dau. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 23:37, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Here is a photocopy of his obituary in The Times:
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Obits/Landau_Lev.html
It would be very worthwhile to add to the article some details which can be found in the obituary, and add the obituary to the references. It would be nice to get a more stable copy of the obit than this university webpage.
I original got the obit from this page:
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Biographies/Landau_Lev.html
Njerseyguy ( talk) 21:56, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
An anonymous deleted the text referring to Lev Landau's jewish background and claimed that the source in the text is the only source referring to his jewish background. However I find here, [ this here] and here also references to his Jewish background. See alse this book for his Jewish Azerbaijani background. I reverted the deletions. Please use this talk page if you like to discuss this. Thanks. Metzujan ( talk) 11:08, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
yet his is not in Category:Soviet physicists... -- 12:26, 16 February 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Honorsteem ( talk • contribs)Hendrik Casimir, a physicist who met Landau in Copenhagen, recalls him as an ardent communist, very proud of his revolutionary roots. The enthusiasm with which Landau went about building Soviet science was part of his socialistic fervor. In 1935 he published an odd piece entitled “Bourgeoisie and Contemporary Physics” in the Soviet newspaper Izvestia. Apart from attacking bourgeois inclinations toward religious superstition and the power of money he praised the “unprecedented opportunities for the development of physics in our country, provided by the Party and the government.”
He specifically self-identifies himself with, and speaks as a representative of, the Soviet Jewish community, in the New York Times. Both his parents were Jewish. It's also mentioned in every major biography of him. Biographical articles usually describe the religious and ethnic identity of their subjects. The information is staying. That is all. Avaya1 ( talk) 19:20, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Please somebody track down and reproduce here the List.
"Landau kept a list of names of physicists which he ranked on a logarithmic scale of productivity ranging from 0 to 5" is allusive but not useful.
Name names! Assign numbers!
http://arxiv.org/abs/0906.3558 cites in footnote 7 as a source for Landau's List:
A. Livanova, Landau (Znanie, Moskva, 1983); in Russian. Available online here: http://sgtnd.narod.ru/wts/rus/Landau.htm ; There is an English translation (A. Livanova, Landau, a great physicist and teacher (Pergamon, Oxford, 1980)) of the previous edition of the book, but this does not mention the first classification used by Landau in 1930s.
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The text of the article states: "For this work Landau received the Stalin Prize in 1949 and 1953"
But the INFOBOX says: "Stalin Prize (1946)"
Can someone sort out the discrepancy? I see that there is a citation but it's behind a pay wall so I can't look at it and fix it myself.-- S Philbrick (Talk) 12:55, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
One of the leading physicist in USSR is described as Azerbaijani? Just because he went to school there? It’s laughable to say the least. He was a Russian Jew. There are numerous books written about him, some by his colleagues (Khalatnikov for one) : nowhere you find anything suggesting this outlandish claim. Any physicist from USSR can attest to it: he was a guru for many of them. 172.251.75.67 ( talk) 12:40, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
I'm sorry I didn't see any "argument". You said 1) Baku was Russian Empire and Azerbaijan didn't exist (countries, nations don't evaporate into thin air when they're colonized), 2) You claimed that this is somehow Armenia-Azerbaijan issue (what are you even talking about?) 3) You reduced national identity to the number of years something was called something (again, what are you even talking about? If your claim is Azerbaijan didn't exist, I refer you to a thing called history
After unsuccessfully fighting the Russian chauvinism and Western stupidity that calls everyone from the USSR as “Russian”, I see that the current version settled on supposedly more neutral “Soviet” as a descriptor. In that case at least the following individuals should be upgraded to the neutral descriptors: Nikoloz Mushelishvili, Viktor Ambartsumian. They are currently listed as Soviet Georgian and a Soviet Armenian. Since we agreed that no other peoples other than Russians existed until 1991, these individuals who were born in Russian Empire and were Soviet citizens, should also be called Soviet scientists. The truth warriors of Wikipedia, I expect you to make the necessary changes and lock those articles as well to make sure the lowly non-Russians don’t change your opinions. Thank you. 85.51.226.249 ( talk) 16:35, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
In a role-playing gacha video game Honkai: Star Rail developed and published in 2023 by miHoYo, characters Serval, Gepard and Lynx all share the surname Landau in reference to the physicist Lev Landau. 2.92.154.128 ( talk) 01:16, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
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Remove, please, the name of Satyendra Nath Bose from the Landau ranking of physicists. Landau never included S. N. Bose in his rankings. Bose does not belong to the Bohr-HeisenbergDirac-Schrodinger club.
See numerous rememberances of Landau. Bose's name dos not appear in any of them! 2A06:C701:72A6:B300:5CDB:E62A:C803:6245 ( talk) 11:43, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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Add source to reference 22. ( https://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0204295v1) Biorandom ( talk) 10:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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What happened to the much better picture which used to be in this article? It was replaced by an ugly prison mugshot. The old picture should be returned. -- 141.154.215.119 07:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Not sure where to find the old pic, but I agree completely, a photo from their labor camp tenure shouldn't be the main portrait of this accomplished scientist. Fulvius 11:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I added the new picture, but i'm not sure what I should select for copyright. Bronstein.jpg is the old picture, it should maybe be scaled down and put in the section on his imprisonment. Fulvius 12:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Please do not call Russian everybody who was born in the Soviet Union or the Russian Empire! People can consider it as neglecting their true ethnic identity. It may offend people.
The word "Russian" may be misinterpreted by the reader. It is not clear what it means in this context: citizenship or ethmicity. The article contains information that L.D.Landau was born in the Russian Empire. So you do not loos any information removing "Russian" from the first sentence. Please do not revert. -- AndriyK 12:51, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Everybody knows what means "American". In contrast, "Russian" can be interpreted differently: It can mean "ethnic Russian". It can mean "citizen of Russia (after 1991)" It can mean "citizen of the Russian Empire (before 1917)". To avoid any confusion it should be clear from the context, or explained explicitely, what this word means in every particular case.
If you say: "Landau was Russian" and then you continue: "He was born in the Russian Empire", most of the readers would interpret this as "Landau was ethnic Russian and he was barn in the Russian Empire". So you text would be misunderstood. You should avoid such things in writing for the Wikipedia.
The Landau's relation to Russia is described quite clearly in the article. The word "Russian" in the firs sentence gives no additional information but can cause a confusion.
If you would like to add information about Landau's spoken language etc., you are free to do it. -- AndriyK 12:51, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
You even did not try to think about avoiding the confusion and misinforming the reader. OK. I will seek for a comment from the comunity. -- AndriyK 13:48, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I removed the word "Russian" from the first sentece of the article, because it can be misleading. A part of the readership can understand it in the present context as "ethnic Russian", which is incorrect. Landau was NOT an ethnic Russian.
Gene s insists on using the adjective Russian, because Landau was born in the Russian Empire and was a sitizen of this country during the first 9 years of his life. (The rest of his life he was a sitizen of Soviet Union, which is NOT the same as Russia.)
In my opinion, Landau's relation to Russia is described quite clearly in the article. The word "Russian" in the first sentence gives no additional information but can cause a confusion. From these reasons it should be removed.
General note:
Well, the word "Russian" has been often used instead of "Soviet". But
From the above reasons, Wikipedia should avoid this mixing.
I would be gratefull to the comunity for their comments on the issue. -- AndriyK 13:48, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I didn't read all discussion, because I'm working on another topics now and I have a little time, sorry for that. For the same reason I'll not go into the discussion, I'll just indicate my point of view on this. Notice a little detail: a link Russian in the article points to the country: Russia, not the ethnicity - Russian, so, it's pretty clear, that it does not mean ethnicity. Landau's main contribution is to the science of the USSR and namely: Russian SFSR, because he worked in Moscow scientific institution most of his life. All Soviet institutions of the Russian SFSR changed their names to those of Russia in 1991-1992, so, Landau's scientific heritage belongs to Russia. It is pretty natural for me, when for example about Soviet scientists who worked most part of their lives in the institutions of Ukrainian SSR, being Russian by nationality, is written: Soviet/ Ukrainian physicist, Russian by nationality, or with Russian roots, if nationality is not clear. So, if you know for sure, you may add, that Landau is Jewish by nationality and add him to the category Jewish people or something like that. But removing Russian and leaving only Soviet, without any indication of the country, to which his heritage belongs now, I think, is inappropriate. Cmapm 19:22, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
What is Landau ethnicity? Jewish or Azerbaijani, or both? I read the article. Not clear to me. 67.113.3.167 06:26, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
It is a very safe assumption that Landau, like ALL Soviet citizens, had an "internal passport" (внутренный пасспорт) and that passport would have had a field labeled "Nationality" to be understood in the sense of "ethnicity". If he were Jewish then in all likelihood his nationality would be entered there as "Evrei" (Jew.) In the Soviet Union, "Soviet" was a political concept but NOT an ethic concept although it had sort of a "ethnic subtext" as exemplified in the following частушка (chastushka, little bit of popular doggerel with a point to it) which I might have found in Ogonek years ago (could be wrong though): "Μы гордимся что Гагарин / Не еврей, не татарин / Не тунгус, не узбек / А наш СОВЕТСКИЙ человек " Very roughly it goes: We are proud that Gagarin / is not a Jew, is not a Tatar, is not Tungus, is not Uzbek, but is our Soviet countryman" which is actually a poor translation of something that is pretty much untranslatable but the point should be clear. Furthermore, among Soviets, "Russian" and "Jew" are VERY different. In the US, however, "Russian" is a name most often put on those whose native tongue is Russian. I have on MANY occasions asked people if they are Russian and have gotten the answer "Нет, я еврей" (No, I'm a Jew.) Vladimir Voinovich in the forward to one of his books recalls a person asking him how he, a Jew, could consider himself a RUSSIAN writer, to which he responds "I do not consider myself a Russian writer, I am a Russian writer" but his attitude seems to be not very widespread. (And to say "Jewish subethnicity of Russian etnicity" is wrong - one did not grow out of or give birth to the other, they are quite separate.) If Landau is a Jew then I think that the article should so state. To say that he is Soviet is, in a way, a meaningless statement, it only indicates the political structure under which he lived. Hi There 19:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I believe the biography section is cribbed straight from Landau, the Physicist and the Man ( ISBN 0080363830). -- CYD
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Can anybody add some relevant information? TomyDuby ( talk) 10:35, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
We say Ланда́у. Is this correct? The German original is stressed on the first syllable: LAN-dau. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 23:37, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Here is a photocopy of his obituary in The Times:
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Obits/Landau_Lev.html
It would be very worthwhile to add to the article some details which can be found in the obituary, and add the obituary to the references. It would be nice to get a more stable copy of the obit than this university webpage.
I original got the obit from this page:
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Biographies/Landau_Lev.html
Njerseyguy ( talk) 21:56, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
An anonymous deleted the text referring to Lev Landau's jewish background and claimed that the source in the text is the only source referring to his jewish background. However I find here, [ this here] and here also references to his Jewish background. See alse this book for his Jewish Azerbaijani background. I reverted the deletions. Please use this talk page if you like to discuss this. Thanks. Metzujan ( talk) 11:08, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
yet his is not in Category:Soviet physicists... -- 12:26, 16 February 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Honorsteem ( talk • contribs)Hendrik Casimir, a physicist who met Landau in Copenhagen, recalls him as an ardent communist, very proud of his revolutionary roots. The enthusiasm with which Landau went about building Soviet science was part of his socialistic fervor. In 1935 he published an odd piece entitled “Bourgeoisie and Contemporary Physics” in the Soviet newspaper Izvestia. Apart from attacking bourgeois inclinations toward religious superstition and the power of money he praised the “unprecedented opportunities for the development of physics in our country, provided by the Party and the government.”
He specifically self-identifies himself with, and speaks as a representative of, the Soviet Jewish community, in the New York Times. Both his parents were Jewish. It's also mentioned in every major biography of him. Biographical articles usually describe the religious and ethnic identity of their subjects. The information is staying. That is all. Avaya1 ( talk) 19:20, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Please somebody track down and reproduce here the List.
"Landau kept a list of names of physicists which he ranked on a logarithmic scale of productivity ranging from 0 to 5" is allusive but not useful.
Name names! Assign numbers!
http://arxiv.org/abs/0906.3558 cites in footnote 7 as a source for Landau's List:
A. Livanova, Landau (Znanie, Moskva, 1983); in Russian. Available online here: http://sgtnd.narod.ru/wts/rus/Landau.htm ; There is an English translation (A. Livanova, Landau, a great physicist and teacher (Pergamon, Oxford, 1980)) of the previous edition of the book, but this does not mention the first classification used by Landau in 1930s.
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The text of the article states: "For this work Landau received the Stalin Prize in 1949 and 1953"
But the INFOBOX says: "Stalin Prize (1946)"
Can someone sort out the discrepancy? I see that there is a citation but it's behind a pay wall so I can't look at it and fix it myself.-- S Philbrick (Talk) 12:55, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
One of the leading physicist in USSR is described as Azerbaijani? Just because he went to school there? It’s laughable to say the least. He was a Russian Jew. There are numerous books written about him, some by his colleagues (Khalatnikov for one) : nowhere you find anything suggesting this outlandish claim. Any physicist from USSR can attest to it: he was a guru for many of them. 172.251.75.67 ( talk) 12:40, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
I'm sorry I didn't see any "argument". You said 1) Baku was Russian Empire and Azerbaijan didn't exist (countries, nations don't evaporate into thin air when they're colonized), 2) You claimed that this is somehow Armenia-Azerbaijan issue (what are you even talking about?) 3) You reduced national identity to the number of years something was called something (again, what are you even talking about? If your claim is Azerbaijan didn't exist, I refer you to a thing called history
After unsuccessfully fighting the Russian chauvinism and Western stupidity that calls everyone from the USSR as “Russian”, I see that the current version settled on supposedly more neutral “Soviet” as a descriptor. In that case at least the following individuals should be upgraded to the neutral descriptors: Nikoloz Mushelishvili, Viktor Ambartsumian. They are currently listed as Soviet Georgian and a Soviet Armenian. Since we agreed that no other peoples other than Russians existed until 1991, these individuals who were born in Russian Empire and were Soviet citizens, should also be called Soviet scientists. The truth warriors of Wikipedia, I expect you to make the necessary changes and lock those articles as well to make sure the lowly non-Russians don’t change your opinions. Thank you. 85.51.226.249 ( talk) 16:35, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
In a role-playing gacha video game Honkai: Star Rail developed and published in 2023 by miHoYo, characters Serval, Gepard and Lynx all share the surname Landau in reference to the physicist Lev Landau. 2.92.154.128 ( talk) 01:16, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
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Remove, please, the name of Satyendra Nath Bose from the Landau ranking of physicists. Landau never included S. N. Bose in his rankings. Bose does not belong to the Bohr-HeisenbergDirac-Schrodinger club.
See numerous rememberances of Landau. Bose's name dos not appear in any of them! 2A06:C701:72A6:B300:5CDB:E62A:C803:6245 ( talk) 11:43, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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Add source to reference 22. ( https://arxiv.org/abs/hep-ph/0204295v1) Biorandom ( talk) 10:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)