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The result was: promoted by
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Converted from a redirect by Sławobóg ( talk). Self-nominated at 11:28, 26 June 2020 (UTC).
Can we get a source that says the twins on this picture are Lel and Polel? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:19, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
The article is clearly a translation of the one from the Polish Wikipedia. This results in a very uneven coverage by different languages. English and Polish WPs are, despite mentioning criticism of the gods' authenticity, erring on the side of positive view. With no real elaboration, Aleksander Brückner's work is called hypercritical (whatever that might mean?) and pseudoscientific. It is also problematic that all sources are Polish. On the other hand, the Russian and the German versions of the articles are clearly more skeptical. For example, among the Russian WP sources, the article from Encyclopedia of Mythology on Slavic mythology written by eminent scholars Vyacheslav Ivanov and Vladimir Toporov states:
"Следующие за Длугошем авторы повторяют его список, а иногда и увеличивают его за счет новых божеств, надежность имен которых, однако, невелика (напр., Лель, Полель и Погвизд у Маковского, Похвист у Кромера)."
This article by Toporov is even more skeptical.
In principle, the whole topic needs very careful analysis and multilingual approach because it is fertile grounds for nationalistic mythologisation, and also a panslavic rather than only Polish topic. The current article is not only at odds with Russian and German WP, but also with the English article on Lada (mythology), which is more critical and gives a much more careful description of the figure's treatment over time (unlike this article which finds that two statues were found and some scholars for unclear reasons argue that they are representations of Lel and Polel, and that this initiated a change in the entire attitude towards the cult - apparently Toporov and Ivanov missed that part?). Phazd ( talk) 22:51, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
A fact from Lel and Polel appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 27 July 2020 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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The result was: promoted by
The Squirrel Conspiracy (
talk) 22:54, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Converted from a redirect by Sławobóg ( talk). Self-nominated at 11:28, 26 June 2020 (UTC).
Can we get a source that says the twins on this picture are Lel and Polel? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:19, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
The article is clearly a translation of the one from the Polish Wikipedia. This results in a very uneven coverage by different languages. English and Polish WPs are, despite mentioning criticism of the gods' authenticity, erring on the side of positive view. With no real elaboration, Aleksander Brückner's work is called hypercritical (whatever that might mean?) and pseudoscientific. It is also problematic that all sources are Polish. On the other hand, the Russian and the German versions of the articles are clearly more skeptical. For example, among the Russian WP sources, the article from Encyclopedia of Mythology on Slavic mythology written by eminent scholars Vyacheslav Ivanov and Vladimir Toporov states:
"Следующие за Длугошем авторы повторяют его список, а иногда и увеличивают его за счет новых божеств, надежность имен которых, однако, невелика (напр., Лель, Полель и Погвизд у Маковского, Похвист у Кромера)."
This article by Toporov is even more skeptical.
In principle, the whole topic needs very careful analysis and multilingual approach because it is fertile grounds for nationalistic mythologisation, and also a panslavic rather than only Polish topic. The current article is not only at odds with Russian and German WP, but also with the English article on Lada (mythology), which is more critical and gives a much more careful description of the figure's treatment over time (unlike this article which finds that two statues were found and some scholars for unclear reasons argue that they are representations of Lel and Polel, and that this initiated a change in the entire attitude towards the cult - apparently Toporov and Ivanov missed that part?). Phazd ( talk) 22:51, 21 February 2022 (UTC)