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![]() | On 23 June 2015, it was proposed that this article be moved from Lech, Čech, and Rus to Lech, Czech, and Rus. The result of the discussion was Moved. |
Can we stop moving the article? Just leave the second comma in, I know it's wrong but some people won't listen.
Somebody merged two Polish legends together! 1. One legend is about three brothers Lech, Czech and Rus. They split into three sides of the world and moved on. There is actually archeologic evidence from spread of Pomeranian culture (which is foundation of autochtonic theory) into East, West and South of Europe over Lusatian and Milograd cultures. I never read in my entire life a Polish book claiming that any of these brothers was supposedly moving north and I read lot's of Polish books in my life. 2. Second legend is about founding city of Gniezno, which was found in Poland by small party of Poliany tribe from Kiev, which followed a White Eagle into the Poland and settled down there, where the White Eagle settled down. Polish Poliany tribe united Slavic tribes of Poland and found Polish Principality. 3. Poland was never referred in documents as Lechia, when it wasn't known as Poland, which is something that actually happened much later in Polish history. Poland was known as Slovians'c'yzna or Gniezno Principality. 4. In my personal opinion Lechia was coined in the Eastern Europe and in the Asia, when Poland started spreading its territory to the East and that didn't happen until XIV century. - Pan Piotr Glownia 11:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Recent archeology appears to confirm the mythic foundations of the Slavs
The earliest evidence of "modern man" in Europe some 45,000 years ago was located south of the Don River in Russia
From this point -- apparently all of Europe was populated by the decedents of the mythic 3 brothers who were hunting and who followed their prey in different directions: North & East -- Rus; North and West -- Lech; South and West -- Czech
see the link:
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http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article2146126.ece
Belfast_Telegraph_Article_on_Early_Europeans]
Since they were hunter-gatherers at that point in time and arrived from the East -- perhaps the myth is some "folk memory" {e.g. orally passed down through the 1000's of generations via some ritual} of the process of "modern man's" entry into Europe
-- Westhighlander 20:30, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
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Why it is called like this? It would be bettet to separate all those three personalities as they are not widely know everywhere.-- Juan de Vojníkov ( talk) 21:52, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
The name Bohemia (Čechy) has at least two slightly different meanings. 1) Bohemia proper (historical land - země), which is the "core" of the country and 2) Bohemia as a country/state as a whole, historically Bohemian Crown (Země Koruny české, Corona regni Bohemiae), now called the Czech Republic (it is now called with a modern -sko suffix - "Česko" in Czech to make a clear difference between these two meanings). The former kingdom became the republic and the traditional English name of the "Bohemian" nation (and language) was changed to "Czech" (probably to sound more Slavic and to distinguish it from German-speaking Bohemians). In this case, the second meaning should be preferred since we are talking about founding of "nations", not historical regions or other country subdivisions. Qertis ( talk) 18:14, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
in the ancient times, the most accurate historical evidence was the spoken word from father to son. in the article in the russian wikipedia "чех, лех и рус", it says that their place of origin was pannonian basin. so, you see. it really is "Behind the carpathians", but from adriatic side. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.126.219.110 ( talk) 14:05, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Gbook hits:
-- Zoupan 11:57, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
I removed the following sentences as it was difficult to determine what was actually meant: "Widest and probably the truth farthest is the Wenceslaus Hajek description (1530s), which adds a range of details, including the exact date of Čech arrival, year 644. He also elevates the two to Dukes and claims that they had already owned a castles in their homeland." Please rephrase before readding. -- Khajidha ( talk) 11:49, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. The English wikipedia uses the English-language common name. DrKay ( talk) 16:04, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Lech, Čech, and Rus → Lech, Czech, and Rus – Commonly spelled "Czech", not Čech, as per Google Ngram. See Google Books search results for Lech, Czech, and Rus, which include a book named "Lech, Czech and Rus". On the other hand, few if any English results found for Lech, Čech, and Rus. Khestwol ( talk) 05:16, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Lech, Czech, and Rus refers to a founding myth of three Slavic peoples: the Poles (or Lechites), the Czechs, and the Rus' people (the modern Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians)." Khestwol ( talk) 17:10, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
If the name of the article has a pronunciation that's not apparent from its spelling, include its pronunciation in parentheses after the first occurrence of the name." Khestwol ( talk) 19:07, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
The section “Czech version” is a bit confusing because it puts together genuine medieval and Renaissance chronicles ( Dalimil, Kosmas, Václav Hájek z Libočan) with Alois Jirásek who was a novelist of the late 19th and early 20th century.
Ceplm ( talk) 14:58, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
In the Chronica Poloniae Maioris, where this myth is firstly mentioned, no single word is said about the present day Muscovy, the only Russians in there are Ukrainians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noteworthiness ( talk • contribs) 20:11, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Noticed a recent change in regards to Brother Rus having another name of "Mech" that was historically changed. There is no source provided, and I was not able to find any sources on this with a cursory search. Either please add a source or remove. 2001:1C00:1412:9D00:2CDD:A83C:AF51:5D42 ( talk) 19:29, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
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![]() | On 23 June 2015, it was proposed that this article be moved from Lech, Čech, and Rus to Lech, Czech, and Rus. The result of the discussion was Moved. |
Can we stop moving the article? Just leave the second comma in, I know it's wrong but some people won't listen.
Somebody merged two Polish legends together! 1. One legend is about three brothers Lech, Czech and Rus. They split into three sides of the world and moved on. There is actually archeologic evidence from spread of Pomeranian culture (which is foundation of autochtonic theory) into East, West and South of Europe over Lusatian and Milograd cultures. I never read in my entire life a Polish book claiming that any of these brothers was supposedly moving north and I read lot's of Polish books in my life. 2. Second legend is about founding city of Gniezno, which was found in Poland by small party of Poliany tribe from Kiev, which followed a White Eagle into the Poland and settled down there, where the White Eagle settled down. Polish Poliany tribe united Slavic tribes of Poland and found Polish Principality. 3. Poland was never referred in documents as Lechia, when it wasn't known as Poland, which is something that actually happened much later in Polish history. Poland was known as Slovians'c'yzna or Gniezno Principality. 4. In my personal opinion Lechia was coined in the Eastern Europe and in the Asia, when Poland started spreading its territory to the East and that didn't happen until XIV century. - Pan Piotr Glownia 11:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Recent archeology appears to confirm the mythic foundations of the Slavs
The earliest evidence of "modern man" in Europe some 45,000 years ago was located south of the Don River in Russia
From this point -- apparently all of Europe was populated by the decedents of the mythic 3 brothers who were hunting and who followed their prey in different directions: North & East -- Rus; North and West -- Lech; South and West -- Czech
see the link:
[
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article2146126.ece
Belfast_Telegraph_Article_on_Early_Europeans]
Since they were hunter-gatherers at that point in time and arrived from the East -- perhaps the myth is some "folk memory" {e.g. orally passed down through the 1000's of generations via some ritual} of the process of "modern man's" entry into Europe
-- Westhighlander 20:30, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
You are invited to join Wikipedia:Czech Wikipedian's notice board! The Czech notice board can be used for discussions on Czech-related topics; to plan your Czech-related projects; and ask for, or offer assistance for Czech-related subjects. Editors are encouraged to sign their nickname on the list of active participators. -- Thus Spake Anittas 02:43, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Why it is called like this? It would be bettet to separate all those three personalities as they are not widely know everywhere.-- Juan de Vojníkov ( talk) 21:52, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
The name Bohemia (Čechy) has at least two slightly different meanings. 1) Bohemia proper (historical land - země), which is the "core" of the country and 2) Bohemia as a country/state as a whole, historically Bohemian Crown (Země Koruny české, Corona regni Bohemiae), now called the Czech Republic (it is now called with a modern -sko suffix - "Česko" in Czech to make a clear difference between these two meanings). The former kingdom became the republic and the traditional English name of the "Bohemian" nation (and language) was changed to "Czech" (probably to sound more Slavic and to distinguish it from German-speaking Bohemians). In this case, the second meaning should be preferred since we are talking about founding of "nations", not historical regions or other country subdivisions. Qertis ( talk) 18:14, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
in the ancient times, the most accurate historical evidence was the spoken word from father to son. in the article in the russian wikipedia "чех, лех и рус", it says that their place of origin was pannonian basin. so, you see. it really is "Behind the carpathians", but from adriatic side. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.126.219.110 ( talk) 14:05, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
Gbook hits:
-- Zoupan 11:57, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
I removed the following sentences as it was difficult to determine what was actually meant: "Widest and probably the truth farthest is the Wenceslaus Hajek description (1530s), which adds a range of details, including the exact date of Čech arrival, year 644. He also elevates the two to Dukes and claims that they had already owned a castles in their homeland." Please rephrase before readding. -- Khajidha ( talk) 11:49, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. The English wikipedia uses the English-language common name. DrKay ( talk) 16:04, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Lech, Čech, and Rus → Lech, Czech, and Rus – Commonly spelled "Czech", not Čech, as per Google Ngram. See Google Books search results for Lech, Czech, and Rus, which include a book named "Lech, Czech and Rus". On the other hand, few if any English results found for Lech, Čech, and Rus. Khestwol ( talk) 05:16, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Lech, Czech, and Rus refers to a founding myth of three Slavic peoples: the Poles (or Lechites), the Czechs, and the Rus' people (the modern Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians)." Khestwol ( talk) 17:10, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
If the name of the article has a pronunciation that's not apparent from its spelling, include its pronunciation in parentheses after the first occurrence of the name." Khestwol ( talk) 19:07, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
The section “Czech version” is a bit confusing because it puts together genuine medieval and Renaissance chronicles ( Dalimil, Kosmas, Václav Hájek z Libočan) with Alois Jirásek who was a novelist of the late 19th and early 20th century.
Ceplm ( talk) 14:58, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
In the Chronica Poloniae Maioris, where this myth is firstly mentioned, no single word is said about the present day Muscovy, the only Russians in there are Ukrainians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noteworthiness ( talk • contribs) 20:11, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Noticed a recent change in regards to Brother Rus having another name of "Mech" that was historically changed. There is no source provided, and I was not able to find any sources on this with a cursory search. Either please add a source or remove. 2001:1C00:1412:9D00:2CDD:A83C:AF51:5D42 ( talk) 19:29, 14 June 2023 (UTC)