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Isn't there an English name we can use for the title? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 11:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Even if English-speaking historians know "Kniefall von Warschau", I think the article needs an English title, because it is not addressed only at historians! I will change the title as soon as I have settled on one. Something shorter than "Willy Brandt's Kneeling at the Warsaw Ghetto Memorial, 7 December 1970", I hope. — Wegesrand ( talk) 16:52, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
It should also be added that Brandt was critized as being "unpatriotic" by the german media of that era. -- Imladros 03:52, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
A question: is Brandt's act regarded as applying only to victims of the Ghetto, to Jewish victims of the Holocaust more generally, or to all victims of Nazi war crimes, including Allied military personnel? Grant65 | Talk 04:05, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
The article translates the quote "[...] was Menschen tun, wenn die Worte versagen" with "[...] what man does when words fail". Well, German isn't my first language, but I think a closer translation would be "[...] what people do when words fail". Agree? Junuxx ( talk) 23:03, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed that the link to the quote is dead, and the quote at the German wiki site is different that the one used here.
- ″Am Abgrund der deutschen Geschichte und unter der Last der Millionen Ermordeten tat ich, was Menschen tun, wenn die Sprache versagt.
instead of used at the English wiki page:
- ″Unter der Last der jüngsten Geschichte tat ich, was Menschen tun, wenn die Worte versagen. So gedachte ich Millionen Ermordeter
what has a significantly different meaning — Preceding
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If he was surrounded by dignitaries and journalists surely there must be a photo available? Historian932 ( talk) 00:39, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
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Why is "Kniefall" translated as " genuflection" rather than " kneeling"? He went down on bent knees and remained in that position, whereas genuflection is best known from the quick Catholic gesture of bending one knee while crossing oneself and standing up again right away. I suspect either mistranslation on enWiki, or a wider use of a possibly inaccurate word. Google hits ("Warsaw kneeling" vs "Warsaw genuflection") stand at a relatively balanced 63:108, so c. 3:5, AFTER enWiki adopting "genuflection" with the usual multiplication effect. What is the opinion of English native-speakers? Arminden ( talk) 14:11, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
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Isn't there an English name we can use for the title? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 11:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Even if English-speaking historians know "Kniefall von Warschau", I think the article needs an English title, because it is not addressed only at historians! I will change the title as soon as I have settled on one. Something shorter than "Willy Brandt's Kneeling at the Warsaw Ghetto Memorial, 7 December 1970", I hope. — Wegesrand ( talk) 16:52, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
It should also be added that Brandt was critized as being "unpatriotic" by the german media of that era. -- Imladros 03:52, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
A question: is Brandt's act regarded as applying only to victims of the Ghetto, to Jewish victims of the Holocaust more generally, or to all victims of Nazi war crimes, including Allied military personnel? Grant65 | Talk 04:05, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
The article translates the quote "[...] was Menschen tun, wenn die Worte versagen" with "[...] what man does when words fail". Well, German isn't my first language, but I think a closer translation would be "[...] what people do when words fail". Agree? Junuxx ( talk) 23:03, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed that the link to the quote is dead, and the quote at the German wiki site is different that the one used here.
- ″Am Abgrund der deutschen Geschichte und unter der Last der Millionen Ermordeten tat ich, was Menschen tun, wenn die Sprache versagt.
instead of used at the English wiki page:
- ″Unter der Last der jüngsten Geschichte tat ich, was Menschen tun, wenn die Worte versagen. So gedachte ich Millionen Ermordeter
what has a significantly different meaning — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
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18:53, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
If he was surrounded by dignitaries and journalists surely there must be a photo available? Historian932 ( talk) 00:39, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
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Why is "Kniefall" translated as " genuflection" rather than " kneeling"? He went down on bent knees and remained in that position, whereas genuflection is best known from the quick Catholic gesture of bending one knee while crossing oneself and standing up again right away. I suspect either mistranslation on enWiki, or a wider use of a possibly inaccurate word. Google hits ("Warsaw kneeling" vs "Warsaw genuflection") stand at a relatively balanced 63:108, so c. 3:5, AFTER enWiki adopting "genuflection" with the usual multiplication effect. What is the opinion of English native-speakers? Arminden ( talk) 14:11, 17 October 2021 (UTC)