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=== Health === In 2009, reports suggested that Kim Jong-un was a diabetic and suffered from hypertension. [1] [2] He is also known to smoke cigarettes. [3] Kim Jong-un did not appear in public for six weeks in September and October 2014. State media reported that he was suffering from an "uncomfortable physical condition". Previously he had been seen limping. [4] When he reappeared, he was using a walking stick. [5] In September 2015, the South Korean government commented that Kim appeared to have gained 30 kg in body fat over the previous five years, reaching a total estimated body weight of 130 kg (290 lb). [6] In April 2020, another period of absence from public appearances led to speculation around Kim's health. [7] Kim had been absent on the Day of the Sun, 15 April, celebrating the country's founding father, Kim Il-sung, and was last seen four days prior on 11 April at a government meeting. [8] Daily NK reported that Kim had gone to a hospital for a cardiovascular surgery on 12 April, but according to CNN reporting from U.S. agencies monitoring intelligence from North Korea, by 21 April Kim's state was in "grave danger" from the surgery. [9] South Korea's Yonhap News Agency reported in response to these stories that there were "no unusual signs detected" in regards to Kim's health. [10] Reuters reported that China had sent a team of doctors on 25 April to North Korea to monitor Kim's condition. [11] South Korea's foreign policy advisor Moon Chung-in issued a statement on 26 April, saying that "Kim Jong-un is alive and well. He has been staying in the Wonsan area since April 13. No suspicious movements have so far been detected." [12] On 1 May, Korean Central News Agency published pictures of Kim, purportedly from a ribbon-cutting event that day at a newly-opened fertilizer factory. [13] |
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=== Health === In 2009, reports suggested that Kim Jong-un was a diabetic and suffered from hypertension. [1] [2] He is also known to smoke cigarettes. [14] Kim Jong-un did not appear in public for six weeks in September and October 2014. State media reported that he was suffering from an "uncomfortable physical condition". Previously he had been seen limping. [15] When he reappeared, he was using a walking stick. [16] In September 2015, the South Korean government commented that Kim appeared to have gained 30 kg in body fat over the previous five years, reaching a total estimated body weight of 130 kg (290 lb). [17] In April 2020, another period of absence from public appearances led to speculation around Kim's health. [18] Kim had been absent on the Day of the Sun, 15 April, celebrating the country's founding father, Kim Il-sung, and was last seen four days prior on 11 April at a government meeting. [19] Daily NK reported that Kim had gone to a hospital for a cardiovascular surgery on 12 April, but according to CNN reporting from U.S. agencies monitoring intelligence from North Korea, by 21 April Kim's state was in "grave danger" from the surgery. [20] South Korea's Yonhap News Agency reported in response to these stories that there were "no unusual signs detected" in regards to Kim's health. [21] Reuters reported that China had sent a team of doctors on 25 April to North Korea to monitor Kim's condition. [22] South Korea's foreign policy advisor Moon Chung-in issued a statement on 26 April, saying that "Kim Jong-un is alive and well. He has been staying in the Wonsan area since April 13. No suspicious movements have so far been detected." [23] On 1 May, Korean Central News Agency published pictures of Kim, purportedly from a ribbon-cutting event that day at a newly-opened fertilizer factory. [24] |
New suspicions of Kim Jung Un's death have arisen after Kim Family portraits and statues were removed from the Kim Il-Sung Square in Pyongyang, which were blocked off from the public. This is suspected to be from plans to make a statue for Kim Jung-Un, which is only done after the current dictator of North Korea dies. In addition, there is skepticism of the footage of Kim Jung-Un opening the fertilizer factory. The footage could have possibly been pre-recorded and released as a cover-up for the Great Successor's sudden passing. [25]
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Are there any more current edits we should be making to this page? Of course I’m only talking about accurate information, but is there any more of it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1002:B101:B48:BC57:E66F:98FA:DA11 ( talk) 06:30, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
The UN Commission of Inquiry chaired by Michael Kirby did not find Kim responsible for human rights violations. The NYT article we cite quotest Kirby telling Kim that the Commission 'would recommend that the United Nations Security Council refer the situation in North Korea to the International Criminal Court, to make all those responsible for crimes accountable, “including possibly yourself.”' [1] This quotes a letter Kirby wrote to Kim, published as an annexure to the summary report, which said: "The Commission wishes to draw to your attention that it will therefore recommend that the United Nations refer the situation in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea to the International Criminal Court to render accountable all those, including possibly yourself, who may be responsible for the crimes against humanity referred to in this letter and in the Commission's report". [2] This page also says the inquiry was intended "to document the accountability of Kim Jong-un and other individuals in the North Korean government for alleged crimes against humanity". However, the source cited does not say that. I think this is a big difference because the article currently implies findings were made against Kim personally, and that is not the case. I will amend the article.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 01:33, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
"Kim rules a dictatorship where elections are not free and fair, government critics are persecuted, media is controlled by the regime, internet access is limited by the regime, and there is no freedom of religion.[6][7][8][9][10][11] His regime operates an extensive network of prisons and labor camps that has imprisoned and killed millions of people; the regime convicts people for political crimes and uses collective punishment whereby members of a family are punished for the crimes of one person.[6] According to the United Nations, North Koreans are subjected to "systematic, widespread and gross human rights violations" where the regime "seeks to dominate every aspect of its citizens’ lives and terrorizes them from within."[6][12]"
This kind of defining a state and its affairs in the negative "doesn't have, isn't" seems very strange. Presumably Wikipedia has defined some default characteristics for a state, and if one veers from that, those differences will be listed in this fashion? I'm not seeing a "Donald Trump" or "Angela Merkel rules over a state that lacks such-and-such civil feature, x-and-y go wrong on the regular, this-and-that are missing". It wouldn't really be a rational way to treat states and their leaders encyclopedically. And it isn't here, either. Surely there is some kind of neutral point of view available, rather than comparing the state of affairs to an unstated ideal. 69.113.166.178 ( talk) 16:48, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
I reverted the name of this section from "International relations" to "Detente". I don't object to a change in the section name, but "International relations" is absolutely inappropriate. Biographical articles are supposed to be chronological, and this section is part of a rough chronology that begins with his birth. But "International relations" suggests that it is a thematic section. It isn't. And it shouldn't be. International relations are dealt with in several sections when relevant. This section begins in 2018. We don't know how long Kim will be leader of North Korea. It could be decades. We can't lump all international relations in one section. Yes, the section does not use the term "detente", but "Early life" doesn't use the term "early life" either. As I said, I don't object to a change in name, but not one that will unravel the whole article.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 08:08, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
The inter-Korean détente, from Seoul’s point of view, is here to stay.I think it is a rather better source that than a whimsical article about a false rumour written by someone who's probably never been to Korea.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 01:28, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
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2600:8801:F000:22F:7467:C88D:589D:9621 ( talk) 06:58, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Im videoing this with kimjunune betting on heads up. Its heads upside down
Kim Jon-un is actually the youngest head of state for a short while. Maybe that could be mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ooh Saad ( talk • contribs) 13:38, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
First of all, I literally have the Guinness world records 2018 (don't ask me why) and it said he was the youngest head of state for a while (and I trust those books). Ooh Saad ( talk) 09:56, 17 June 2020 (UTC) Sorry if that sounded rude lol
Erm... yes it is Ooh Saad ( talk) 09:56, 17 June 2020 (UTC) Evidence: /info/en/?search=List_of_leaders_of_North_Korea#:~:text=Thus%20his%20son%20and%20successor%20as%20leader%2C%20the%20late%20Kim,de%20facto%20head%20of%20state.
Yeah, it's probably not worth adding, with three editors against me.-Thanks Ooh Saad ( talk) 10:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for understanding! Ooh Saad ( talk) 17:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
@Ood Said...the de jure head of state of North Korea from 1998 to 2019 was the Chairman of the State Presidium of the DPRK, a function which was transferred to the Chairman of the Military Commission in 2019 (a position currently held by Kim Jong-Un.) So Kim Jong-Un has only technically been Head of State of North Korea since 2019. And that's not even factoring in the fact of his grandfather being named 'Eternal President of the DPRK' in the preamble to the North Korean constitution. JWULTRABLIZZARD ( talk) 23:15, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Given that the reports of his death seem to have been greatly exaggerated, how much do we need to say about this fresh product from the North Korean rumour mill? We don't know that Kim had any health problems at all. The DailyNK report was based on an anonymous informant. The fact is he didn't actually disappear. He just wasn't pictured in North Korean media, though North Korean media reported him doing various things. In reality, not being photographed for three weeks is no big deal. Yes, we can document rumours, but there are too many rumours.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 08:50, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
They are hiding Coronavirus
(Possibly...) Abdullah Al Manjur ( talk) 09:25, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
I think literally anything from North Korea is possibly not true. There is no proof that what they are saying is true. I doubt any Wikipedia editors are currently living in North Korea. Even if there was a way, no one could be sure the government was telling them the truth. It really depends on what the large US and worldwide sites are saying is true. Wjrz nj forecast ( talk) 01:17, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
I’m not implying that. I’m just saying North Korean sources are most likely not the most accurate. How are you implying that North Korean sources have guaranteed accuracy? I believe only Kim Jong-Un actually knows everything that’s happening in North Korea. Wjrz nj forecast ( talk) 04:21, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Ok then I made mistakes. Abdullah Al Manjur ( talk) 09:17, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
This article in the Washington Post: Kim Jong Un appears to be alive after all. So why did CNN and other news outlets report he was on his deathbed? contains a good discussion of how these rumors arose and were reinforced and shows the good sense of the WP:NOTNEWS and WP:RECENTISM policies and why we shouldn't include poorly referenced speculation. Mztourist ( talk) 07:47, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
The nearest I can get to the source is this: [3]. It seems come from a social media post from a former official, who claims the photos of Kim were fake. This is a continuation of the earlier rumours. The South Korean intelligence agency does not appear to give this any credence.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 02:12, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Avoid repeating gossip. Ask yourself whether the source is reliable; whether the material is being presented as true.... This story is largely being reported as a rumour. It is contradicted by many photos in the news media.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 23:30, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
This [9] is impressive for someone in a coma. Mztourist ( talk) 06:51, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
Please add title "His Excellency" thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexiscid ( talk • contribs) 04:47, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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Abdi1020 ( talk) 12:13, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
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Isn't Kim Jong-un the third son of Kim Jong-il? He has two older brothers, one who was killed in Kuala Lumpur, and the other who was considered too effeminate to be leader by their father. He also has an older half-sister in Kim Sol-song. That'd make him the known fourth child of Kim Jong-il, not the second. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.102.111 ( talk) 12:26, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Kim Jong-un is not dead. He did not die in 2014. He was here when Trump was elected president which means he was here during 2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dezi2super ( talk • contribs) 00:42, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
"Category:Formerly missing people": He is no more "formerly missing" than he is "formerly dead". 73.71.251.64 ( talk) 23:43, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
There are a couple of categories that say he has Japanese descent. As far as I can see, his mother was half Japanese. I really don't see any point in noting this in categories, except to making an ethnic slur.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 00:37, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Just an observation here, but what on Earth is going on with the info box here (and in the previous two leaders of North Korea).
They seem to be pretty unilateral changes with zero talk page discussion / changes with these. Surely the info boxes should be akin to other World leaders and not listing all of the terms separately, for example?
JLo-Watson ( talk) 18:23, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
The infobox on Kim il-Sung's article is particularly confusing. I can guarantee that many users to that page would just simply be put off by the sheer complexity of the amount of terms/drop down boxes etc. I think we need to move away from listing all the separate terms. To find a compromise, for example, Ruling party, couldn't you just add a hatnote or something which users can click on to find the exact dates of each term? The current info-boxes are just seems incredibly confusing to the average user (and even North Korea followers I might add!) ( TDKR Chicago 101 and Jack Upland). JLo-Watson ( talk) 22:20, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Another point, ideally on politicians' articles we try limit the amount of offices held to make the size of the info-box smaller. Another issue with listing all the terms, then, is the fact it makes the info-box excessively long (again using Kim il-Sung as an example here. Perhaps more details can be put in succession boxes (or as suggested earlier, using a hatnote) rather than the info-boxes. JLo-Watson ( talk) 22:23, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
You literally have the Hangul right there. It should be romanized as Jeong-Eun or Jung-Eun. When the fuck do we ever romanize the sound of 'eo' as the letter 'o'? It's Jung not Jawng. And its Eun not Oon. This is why you cannot be cited in a single classroom in the entire fucking world. Right here. You have the correct romanization for like literally thousands of other fucking Koreans. He gets his own rules because hes a fat dictator? 2603:6011:F03:FB00:944A:5AFB:5F7B:B2BD ( talk) 21:17, 2 May 2021 (UTC) (vulgarity removed)
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It's just a little simpler. 64.203.186.119 ( talk) 16:06, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
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Update image of Kim with new appearance CountO-14 ( talk) 18:44, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
maybe information on his weight loss should be included in the article, it may seem like trivia but there is already a lengthy paragraph concerning a previous episode of weight gain. Especially when he no longer looks like his infobox image
https://www.npr.org/2021/06/16/1007094798/north-korea-kim-jong-un-weight-loss-thinner-causing-health-speculation Lochglasgowstrathyre ( talk) 14:18, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
Now apparently his weight loss has been referenced on North Korean state television https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/north-koreans-worry-over-emaciated-kim-jong-un-state-media-says-2021-06-27/. Lochglasgowstrathyre ( talk) 19:23, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
As well as NK News https://www.nknews.org/2021/06/everyone-in-north-korea-talking-about-emaciated-kim-jong-un-state-media/. Lochglasgowstrathyre ( talk) 19:26, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
People keep changing it for no reason even though it's a perfectly good quality picture of Kim Jong-un. DaBabyindahouse ( talk) 11:12, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
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DavidTheWalrus ( talk) 13:52, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
same birthday as Parker Allen
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On a new official portrait unveiled on 7th January 2021, Kim Jong-un appeared to wear the taewŏnsu shoulder boards on his military uniform, showing that he had promoted to the rank at some point prior. Image of Kim Jong-un in uniform of taewŏnsu So it would be in order to adjust his military rank accordingly.
As of 2022-01-04 this article says that Kim Jong-un is the second son of Kim Jong-il.
However, the section on " family" in the Wikipedia article on Kim Jong-il says, "He had three known sons: Kim Jong-nam, Kim Jong-chul and Kim Jong-un."
Accordingly, I'm changing this article to read, that Kim Jong-un is "a", not "the second" son of Kim Jong-il. I hope that others more knowledgeable than I will modify at least one if not both of these articles to reflect the status of knowledge about how many sons Kim Jong-il actually had, if it matters. Thanks, DavidMCEddy ( talk) 04:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
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I request that
"Kim Jong-un[a][b] (/ˌkɪm dʒɒŋˈʊn, -ˈʌn/;[3] Korean: 김정은; Korean: [kim.dzɔŋ.ɯn];[c] born 8 January 1982 or 1983"
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"Kim Jong-un[a][b] (/ˌkɪm dʒɒŋˈʊn, -ˈʌn/;[3] Korean: 김정은; Korean: [kim.dzɔŋ.ɯn];[c] born 8 January 1984)"
(My inline citation is in this line.) [1] Boxermystic ( talk) 00:46, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
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00:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)With respect, I disagree with your statement: "I don't think that source is strong enough to say this definitively." The source is a published book; the author is a former Washington Post journalist who reported heavily on North Korea and personally interacted with Kim Jong-un's aunt who fled the North Korean regime, as the quote indicates. I understand that consensus is one of the key ways to make changes to a page, but as a new editor, I'm appalled that you concluded the that the source is weak from your own opinion, instead of making a conclusion from the nature of the source itself. Boxermystic ( talk) 00:57, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
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"There was some debate over Kim Jong Un's true birth year, with some sources saying it was 1983. There were suggestions his official birthdate had been moved to 1982 to provide symmetry with his grandfather, born in 1912, and his father, whose birthdate was officially moved from 1941 to 1942. But Kim Jong Un's aunt, Ko Yong Suk, laughed when I asked about her nephew's birthdate. It had been almost two decades since she had fled the North Korean regime, but she knew for sure that Kim Jong Un was born in 1984. She'd given birth to a son of her own the month before, and she'd changed both babies' diapers at the same time."
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Currently the infobox states that Kim Jong-un has 4(3 allegedly) children how ever this a)doesn't seem to be back up in the body of the article and b)doesn't appear to be backed up by any reliable sources, I didn't want to request a change in case i missed something, apologies for any formating errors I'm on mobile Fallen-shadows94 ( talk) 23:36, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
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Which image should be used in the infobox?
Are we sure about the birth year, because the infobox now lists one year, while the lead lists two. -- IWI ( talk) 13:27, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
The caption on the info box image of him refers to him as simply "Kim in 2019". That is his surname, based on how Korean names work. Should it not say "Jong-Un"? 146.209.159.16 ( talk) 19:52, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Was he? Ioannisp44 ( talk) 16:36, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
If Kim Jong-un was promoted to Grand Marshal, then it should be relatively easy to find a source in English or Korean that reflects this fact. Yet no source has ever been provided for this claim anywhere on Wikipedia, except this photo of him in full military regalia, and whoever added this as a source to Taewonsu made the assumption of the rank themselves by looking at the blurry image of his shoulder patches. This article makes no mention of the term "Grand Marshal" and a few days ago North Korean state media still referred to Kim Jong-un as the "Marshal of the Republic" during a public appearance by him. It is also worth noting that the title "Grand Marshal" was awarded posthumously to both Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il.
Furthermore in regard to photos of Kim Jong-un's military uniform, a South Korean government official said it best: [1]
Until a reliable source states that Kim Jong-un was promoted to Grand Marshal, this change should not be made because it is complete original research and an assumption by the editor. CentreLeftRight ✉ 07:13, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
The original change was made by Handoto on 12 August 2021 without a citation. CentreLeftRight ✉ 08:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
@ Alexiska98, Myrabert01, and Northkoreanfan11122: Please reply to this discussion before making the change again. CentreLeftRight ✉ 07:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
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The military rank honorific on line 7 should be changed. Currently it looks like this: Chinaman2345 ( talk) 21:11, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Kim Jong-un's name in Hanja is 金正恩 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.120.23.111 ( talk) 18:55, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn't Kim Jong-Un's name in IPA in Korean be transcribed as kim.dʑʌŋ.ɯ̟n instead of kim.dzɔŋ.ɯn. Please correct me if I'm wrong LeafeonFan9 ( talk) 22:21, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
I changed the first sentence of the article to say Kim is a "political official" rather than a "politician", but it was
reverted by
Yue. I did this at least in part because
Britannica describes him as such (I have not been able to find a source describing Kim as a "politician"), but I also just thought politician sounded weird for him. Politicians are often associated with elected office, and Kim is
not truly elected. See the first sentence of the wikipedia article
politician: A politician is a person active in party politics, or a person holding or seeking an elected office in government.
There as some dictionaries that's definitions of politician may encompass someone who is not elected. However, with a source using "political official" and some ambiguity with dictionaries, I think it's best to use "political official" than "politician".
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change [s]igns of a rise in luxury goods to signs of a rise in luxury goods Pranav Sreeganesh ( talk) 13:46, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
@ Yue: Hi, what do yo think about this photo? I known that the resolution isn't as good as the one of the current one but in this one he's looking at the camera - his face is shown better. Ентусиастъ/Entusiast ( talk) 21:07, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
I support A. Jack Upland ( talk) 07:34, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
I too support A. With B, the hot light behind him seriously detracts from the image. With C, the presence of a portion of the American flag behind him compromises the image. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 14:55, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
I support A, and definitely oppose C. It is inappropriate to use a photo of a national leader with another country's flag as a backdrop. Cullen328 ( talk) 15:23, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
I think C is the better photo, though I understand concerns about the American flag. Perhaps the stars could be digitally removed, similar to how the US flag was completely removed from File:Imran Ahmed Khan Niazi - UNGA (48784380531) (cropped).jpg? Yeeno ( talk) 18:15, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
@ Yue:, @ Skipple:, @ Jack Upland:, @ Hammersoft:, @ Cullen328:, @ Yeeno: I was the one who replaced the odd-looking A (odd angle, too zoomed at lower part, strange body proportions) to B and then to C. I preffer C. I agree that the background in B is too bright and is thus more or less distracting. I chose it because Kim looks straight at the camera and because I didn't found C yet. I agree that it's kind of strange for him to stay in front of the US flag, but I disagree that it's a huge problem per se if the infobox image of a state leader shows him in front of a flag of another country. An example of that is File:Сердар Бердымухамедов (10-06-2022).jpg
which is curently used in Turkmenistan's Serdar Berdimuhamedow infobox. And finally, I agree with @ Yeeno: that the US flag can be removed/retouched. If the current image gets changed for whatever reason, then I would support B (i.e. the previous one). For me A is out of discussion because of the odd angle and the strange body proportions. Ентусиастъ/Entusiast ( talk) 17:14, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
@ Ентусиастъ: I would like to know why the image was changed to C, even though this discussion was still ongoing and even though there is clearly no consensus to change it to C? -- Hammersoft ( talk) 13:35, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
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Hi, I would like an addition under his "Public image" section. Kim Jong-un has the nickname "Rocket Man", and I think it should be added as it was quite popular a while back. Here are the reliable sources https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/09/world/asia/trump-kim-jong-un.html https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/article174107001.html https://www.bustle.com/p/what-does-rocket-man-mean-trumps-nickname-for-kim-jong-un-is-making-waves-2406305 https://www.businessinsider.com/kim-jong-un-relaxed-about-little-rocket-man-nickname-south-korea-2018-3 https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/19/trumps-new-nickname-rocket-man-for-kim-jong-un-is-brilliant-commentary.html https://www.foxnews.com/world/north-korea-to-warns-trump-over-rocket-man-nickname
Thanks. Like that Elton John song, if you ask me 151.210.139.250 ( talk) 08:30, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
This Wikipedia article has been vandalised to claim that Kim Jong-un was born on 8 January 1982, when it is actually 8 January 1984. I will fix this. 2001:8003:6C38:5D00:B8CD:B8C9:4363:B619 ( talk) 12:47, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
It was just revealed by NK that Kim has had a daughter, so this should probably be included in the infobox right? (source https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/11/19/north-korean-leader-reveals-daughter-at-ballistic-missile-launch) Ametica ( talk) 09:06, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
Any update on "In a poll of South Koreans conducted following the May 2018 inter-Korean summit, 78% of respondents said they trusted Kim, compared with 10% approval a couple months prior." in the Public image section? I doubt if the views would still be as flaterring. Gotitbro ( talk) 23:28, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Every edit seems to take this article further away from a chronological structure. I don't think this will end well. Jack Upland ( talk) 06:44, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Which year(s) of birth should be used in the article lead and the infobox?
79.185.139.79 ( talk) 12:31, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 07:04, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
– Previous discussion regarding North Korean names has rendered no consensus. (For previous discussions see here: [11], [12], [13], [14], and [15]) While South Korea has changed their preferred romanization of Korean names from " Kim Dae Jung" to " Kim Dae-jung", this is not the case for North Korea, which uses the romanization of " Kim Il Sung" for all names (The Economist Style Guide 2005 p. 102). The AP Stylebook follows this guideline, stating "North Korean names are written as three separate words, each capitalized: Kim Jong Un."
Kim Il Sung is the definitive common name per Google ngram [16] with sources going about two to one in favor of "Kim Il Sung". For the other two names, Google ngram shows similar rates of usage of both romanizations [17] [18]. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean) states that "If there is no personal preference, and no established English spelling, hyphenate the syllables, with only the first syllable capitalized."
It has been previously argued that the spelling "Kim Jong Un" would not be neutral. I find this unconvincing as this is the romanization used by North Korea for all Korean names and was also a historical romanization used by South Korea. If anything, using "Kim Jong-un", despite a clear personal preference for a name that is also common usage is breaking with NPOV.
Sources publishing in American English nearly universally use the unhyphenated romanziation. Sources from the United Kingdom or associated with the UK use both romanizations. South Korean sources generally use the hyphenated romanization, which follows the preferred romanization of South Korean names. As a whole, "Kim Jong Un" and "Kim Jong Il" have wider adoption than "Kim Jong-un" and "Kim Jong-il", while usage of "Kim Il Sung" is clearly favored in the sources. :3 F4U ( they /it) 16:58, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
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, hyphenate the syllables, with only the first syllable capitalized. What I have shown here is that there is a personal preference and that there is an established English spelling. Regardless, WP:COMMONNAME trumps any naming convention. :3 F4U ( they /it) 14:09, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
Koreans variously spell two-syllable given names as a joined word or separated by a hyphen or a space, with the second syllable in uppercase, and the third syllable in lowercase.But others does not (e.g. Jungkook). Surveyor Mount 22:25, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
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72.225.173.90 ( talk) 15:55, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Do not learn about this man
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Once again the birth year in the lede is being changed
[19]. It keeps on being changed, in a never ending loop. We discussed this most recently above at "Birth year in the lead and the infobox". We can all agree there's no certainty about the birth year. But, regardless of that uncertainty we can be certain about how we describe this uncertainty in the lede and infobox. In an effort to get people to come to some consensus, I'm going to ping every non-IP editor who has edited this talk page this year, along with everyone who has edited the article this year. Sorry for all the pings. But, the prior discussion did not have enough people participating. If we can't get enough participation with this attempt, I'll start an RfC later.
Please pick an option:
If some other option, please be clear as to why. Yes, we know the sources vary. Yes, we know that North Korea claims 1982. This isn't about the sources, but about how to best describe the situation in the lede. Thank you, -- Hammersoft ( talk) 17:21, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
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Please undo revision 1172317769. It's vandalism. 83.22.7.42 ( talk) 12:28, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
This well-meaning but incorrect edit is made at least once or twice a year, so a reminder to other editors that:
You would think that Kim Jong Un's promotion to Grand Marshal would have been officially announced by now, given the prestige of the title and its momentous importance to the country's propaganda. Yet over three years later this has not been done, probably because the promotion hasn't happened yet. Yue 🌙 22:43, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
May you add the following to this article's Russia subsection under 'Leader of North Korea'?
Thank you. My Soul is on Strike ( talk) 20:33, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
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Some sources said Kim could be born in 1984 49.130.130.36 ( talk) 07:15, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
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undo vandalism special:diff/1177138593 79.185.137.70 ( talk) 10:21, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
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I request for the Category:North Korean communists to be added to the External Links. 95.151.245.1 ( talk) 11:22, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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Hello everybody, I think we should start a discussion about Kim's portrait. There're three main proposals (but you can add more options if you like):
I personally support A, which was used for years , it has a better quality and there isn't a US flag behind him (which is quite ironical). -- Nick.mon ( talk) 21:51, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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Super drowzee2 ( talk) 09:42, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
He has died on december 10 2023 from clasified health issues
I am adding this talk to discuss her being confirmed. It has been confirmed by multiple articles that North Korea had confirmed she is the daughter of Kim Jon Un. Therefor she should not be unconfirmed in the box but confirmed @ Blaze 007 GothicGolem29 ( talk) 19:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
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=== Health === In 2009, reports suggested that Kim Jong-un was a diabetic and suffered from hypertension. [1] [2] He is also known to smoke cigarettes. [3] Kim Jong-un did not appear in public for six weeks in September and October 2014. State media reported that he was suffering from an "uncomfortable physical condition". Previously he had been seen limping. [4] When he reappeared, he was using a walking stick. [5] In September 2015, the South Korean government commented that Kim appeared to have gained 30 kg in body fat over the previous five years, reaching a total estimated body weight of 130 kg (290 lb). [6] In April 2020, another period of absence from public appearances led to speculation around Kim's health. [7] Kim had been absent on the Day of the Sun, 15 April, celebrating the country's founding father, Kim Il-sung, and was last seen four days prior on 11 April at a government meeting. [8] Daily NK reported that Kim had gone to a hospital for a cardiovascular surgery on 12 April, but according to CNN reporting from U.S. agencies monitoring intelligence from North Korea, by 21 April Kim's state was in "grave danger" from the surgery. [9] South Korea's Yonhap News Agency reported in response to these stories that there were "no unusual signs detected" in regards to Kim's health. [10] Reuters reported that China had sent a team of doctors on 25 April to North Korea to monitor Kim's condition. [11] South Korea's foreign policy advisor Moon Chung-in issued a statement on 26 April, saying that "Kim Jong-un is alive and well. He has been staying in the Wonsan area since April 13. No suspicious movements have so far been detected." [12] On 1 May, Korean Central News Agency published pictures of Kim, purportedly from a ribbon-cutting event that day at a newly-opened fertilizer factory. [13] |
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=== Health === In 2009, reports suggested that Kim Jong-un was a diabetic and suffered from hypertension. [1] [2] He is also known to smoke cigarettes. [14] Kim Jong-un did not appear in public for six weeks in September and October 2014. State media reported that he was suffering from an "uncomfortable physical condition". Previously he had been seen limping. [15] When he reappeared, he was using a walking stick. [16] In September 2015, the South Korean government commented that Kim appeared to have gained 30 kg in body fat over the previous five years, reaching a total estimated body weight of 130 kg (290 lb). [17] In April 2020, another period of absence from public appearances led to speculation around Kim's health. [18] Kim had been absent on the Day of the Sun, 15 April, celebrating the country's founding father, Kim Il-sung, and was last seen four days prior on 11 April at a government meeting. [19] Daily NK reported that Kim had gone to a hospital for a cardiovascular surgery on 12 April, but according to CNN reporting from U.S. agencies monitoring intelligence from North Korea, by 21 April Kim's state was in "grave danger" from the surgery. [20] South Korea's Yonhap News Agency reported in response to these stories that there were "no unusual signs detected" in regards to Kim's health. [21] Reuters reported that China had sent a team of doctors on 25 April to North Korea to monitor Kim's condition. [22] South Korea's foreign policy advisor Moon Chung-in issued a statement on 26 April, saying that "Kim Jong-un is alive and well. He has been staying in the Wonsan area since April 13. No suspicious movements have so far been detected." [23] On 1 May, Korean Central News Agency published pictures of Kim, purportedly from a ribbon-cutting event that day at a newly-opened fertilizer factory. [24] |
New suspicions of Kim Jung Un's death have arisen after Kim Family portraits and statues were removed from the Kim Il-Sung Square in Pyongyang, which were blocked off from the public. This is suspected to be from plans to make a statue for Kim Jung-Un, which is only done after the current dictator of North Korea dies. In addition, there is skepticism of the footage of Kim Jung-Un opening the fertilizer factory. The footage could have possibly been pre-recorded and released as a cover-up for the Great Successor's sudden passing. [25]
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Are there any more current edits we should be making to this page? Of course I’m only talking about accurate information, but is there any more of it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1002:B101:B48:BC57:E66F:98FA:DA11 ( talk) 06:30, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
The UN Commission of Inquiry chaired by Michael Kirby did not find Kim responsible for human rights violations. The NYT article we cite quotest Kirby telling Kim that the Commission 'would recommend that the United Nations Security Council refer the situation in North Korea to the International Criminal Court, to make all those responsible for crimes accountable, “including possibly yourself.”' [1] This quotes a letter Kirby wrote to Kim, published as an annexure to the summary report, which said: "The Commission wishes to draw to your attention that it will therefore recommend that the United Nations refer the situation in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea to the International Criminal Court to render accountable all those, including possibly yourself, who may be responsible for the crimes against humanity referred to in this letter and in the Commission's report". [2] This page also says the inquiry was intended "to document the accountability of Kim Jong-un and other individuals in the North Korean government for alleged crimes against humanity". However, the source cited does not say that. I think this is a big difference because the article currently implies findings were made against Kim personally, and that is not the case. I will amend the article.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 01:33, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
"Kim rules a dictatorship where elections are not free and fair, government critics are persecuted, media is controlled by the regime, internet access is limited by the regime, and there is no freedom of religion.[6][7][8][9][10][11] His regime operates an extensive network of prisons and labor camps that has imprisoned and killed millions of people; the regime convicts people for political crimes and uses collective punishment whereby members of a family are punished for the crimes of one person.[6] According to the United Nations, North Koreans are subjected to "systematic, widespread and gross human rights violations" where the regime "seeks to dominate every aspect of its citizens’ lives and terrorizes them from within."[6][12]"
This kind of defining a state and its affairs in the negative "doesn't have, isn't" seems very strange. Presumably Wikipedia has defined some default characteristics for a state, and if one veers from that, those differences will be listed in this fashion? I'm not seeing a "Donald Trump" or "Angela Merkel rules over a state that lacks such-and-such civil feature, x-and-y go wrong on the regular, this-and-that are missing". It wouldn't really be a rational way to treat states and their leaders encyclopedically. And it isn't here, either. Surely there is some kind of neutral point of view available, rather than comparing the state of affairs to an unstated ideal. 69.113.166.178 ( talk) 16:48, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
I reverted the name of this section from "International relations" to "Detente". I don't object to a change in the section name, but "International relations" is absolutely inappropriate. Biographical articles are supposed to be chronological, and this section is part of a rough chronology that begins with his birth. But "International relations" suggests that it is a thematic section. It isn't. And it shouldn't be. International relations are dealt with in several sections when relevant. This section begins in 2018. We don't know how long Kim will be leader of North Korea. It could be decades. We can't lump all international relations in one section. Yes, the section does not use the term "detente", but "Early life" doesn't use the term "early life" either. As I said, I don't object to a change in name, but not one that will unravel the whole article.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 08:08, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
The inter-Korean détente, from Seoul’s point of view, is here to stay.I think it is a rather better source that than a whimsical article about a false rumour written by someone who's probably never been to Korea.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 01:28, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
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2600:8801:F000:22F:7467:C88D:589D:9621 ( talk) 06:58, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Im videoing this with kimjunune betting on heads up. Its heads upside down
Kim Jon-un is actually the youngest head of state for a short while. Maybe that could be mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ooh Saad ( talk • contribs) 13:38, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
First of all, I literally have the Guinness world records 2018 (don't ask me why) and it said he was the youngest head of state for a while (and I trust those books). Ooh Saad ( talk) 09:56, 17 June 2020 (UTC) Sorry if that sounded rude lol
Erm... yes it is Ooh Saad ( talk) 09:56, 17 June 2020 (UTC) Evidence: /info/en/?search=List_of_leaders_of_North_Korea#:~:text=Thus%20his%20son%20and%20successor%20as%20leader%2C%20the%20late%20Kim,de%20facto%20head%20of%20state.
Yeah, it's probably not worth adding, with three editors against me.-Thanks Ooh Saad ( talk) 10:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for understanding! Ooh Saad ( talk) 17:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
@Ood Said...the de jure head of state of North Korea from 1998 to 2019 was the Chairman of the State Presidium of the DPRK, a function which was transferred to the Chairman of the Military Commission in 2019 (a position currently held by Kim Jong-Un.) So Kim Jong-Un has only technically been Head of State of North Korea since 2019. And that's not even factoring in the fact of his grandfather being named 'Eternal President of the DPRK' in the preamble to the North Korean constitution. JWULTRABLIZZARD ( talk) 23:15, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Given that the reports of his death seem to have been greatly exaggerated, how much do we need to say about this fresh product from the North Korean rumour mill? We don't know that Kim had any health problems at all. The DailyNK report was based on an anonymous informant. The fact is he didn't actually disappear. He just wasn't pictured in North Korean media, though North Korean media reported him doing various things. In reality, not being photographed for three weeks is no big deal. Yes, we can document rumours, but there are too many rumours.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 08:50, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
They are hiding Coronavirus
(Possibly...) Abdullah Al Manjur ( talk) 09:25, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
I think literally anything from North Korea is possibly not true. There is no proof that what they are saying is true. I doubt any Wikipedia editors are currently living in North Korea. Even if there was a way, no one could be sure the government was telling them the truth. It really depends on what the large US and worldwide sites are saying is true. Wjrz nj forecast ( talk) 01:17, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
I’m not implying that. I’m just saying North Korean sources are most likely not the most accurate. How are you implying that North Korean sources have guaranteed accuracy? I believe only Kim Jong-Un actually knows everything that’s happening in North Korea. Wjrz nj forecast ( talk) 04:21, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Ok then I made mistakes. Abdullah Al Manjur ( talk) 09:17, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
This article in the Washington Post: Kim Jong Un appears to be alive after all. So why did CNN and other news outlets report he was on his deathbed? contains a good discussion of how these rumors arose and were reinforced and shows the good sense of the WP:NOTNEWS and WP:RECENTISM policies and why we shouldn't include poorly referenced speculation. Mztourist ( talk) 07:47, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
The nearest I can get to the source is this: [3]. It seems come from a social media post from a former official, who claims the photos of Kim were fake. This is a continuation of the earlier rumours. The South Korean intelligence agency does not appear to give this any credence.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 02:12, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Avoid repeating gossip. Ask yourself whether the source is reliable; whether the material is being presented as true.... This story is largely being reported as a rumour. It is contradicted by many photos in the news media.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 23:30, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
This [9] is impressive for someone in a coma. Mztourist ( talk) 06:51, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
Please add title "His Excellency" thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexiscid ( talk • contribs) 04:47, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
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Isn't Kim Jong-un the third son of Kim Jong-il? He has two older brothers, one who was killed in Kuala Lumpur, and the other who was considered too effeminate to be leader by their father. He also has an older half-sister in Kim Sol-song. That'd make him the known fourth child of Kim Jong-il, not the second. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.102.111 ( talk) 12:26, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
Kim Jong-un is not dead. He did not die in 2014. He was here when Trump was elected president which means he was here during 2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dezi2super ( talk • contribs) 00:42, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
"Category:Formerly missing people": He is no more "formerly missing" than he is "formerly dead". 73.71.251.64 ( talk) 23:43, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
There are a couple of categories that say he has Japanese descent. As far as I can see, his mother was half Japanese. I really don't see any point in noting this in categories, except to making an ethnic slur.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 00:37, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
Just an observation here, but what on Earth is going on with the info box here (and in the previous two leaders of North Korea).
They seem to be pretty unilateral changes with zero talk page discussion / changes with these. Surely the info boxes should be akin to other World leaders and not listing all of the terms separately, for example?
JLo-Watson ( talk) 18:23, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
The infobox on Kim il-Sung's article is particularly confusing. I can guarantee that many users to that page would just simply be put off by the sheer complexity of the amount of terms/drop down boxes etc. I think we need to move away from listing all the separate terms. To find a compromise, for example, Ruling party, couldn't you just add a hatnote or something which users can click on to find the exact dates of each term? The current info-boxes are just seems incredibly confusing to the average user (and even North Korea followers I might add!) ( TDKR Chicago 101 and Jack Upland). JLo-Watson ( talk) 22:20, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
Another point, ideally on politicians' articles we try limit the amount of offices held to make the size of the info-box smaller. Another issue with listing all the terms, then, is the fact it makes the info-box excessively long (again using Kim il-Sung as an example here. Perhaps more details can be put in succession boxes (or as suggested earlier, using a hatnote) rather than the info-boxes. JLo-Watson ( talk) 22:23, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
You literally have the Hangul right there. It should be romanized as Jeong-Eun or Jung-Eun. When the fuck do we ever romanize the sound of 'eo' as the letter 'o'? It's Jung not Jawng. And its Eun not Oon. This is why you cannot be cited in a single classroom in the entire fucking world. Right here. You have the correct romanization for like literally thousands of other fucking Koreans. He gets his own rules because hes a fat dictator? 2603:6011:F03:FB00:944A:5AFB:5F7B:B2BD ( talk) 21:17, 2 May 2021 (UTC) (vulgarity removed)
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It's just a little simpler. 64.203.186.119 ( talk) 16:06, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
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Update image of Kim with new appearance CountO-14 ( talk) 18:44, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
maybe information on his weight loss should be included in the article, it may seem like trivia but there is already a lengthy paragraph concerning a previous episode of weight gain. Especially when he no longer looks like his infobox image
https://www.npr.org/2021/06/16/1007094798/north-korea-kim-jong-un-weight-loss-thinner-causing-health-speculation Lochglasgowstrathyre ( talk) 14:18, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
Now apparently his weight loss has been referenced on North Korean state television https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/north-koreans-worry-over-emaciated-kim-jong-un-state-media-says-2021-06-27/. Lochglasgowstrathyre ( talk) 19:23, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
As well as NK News https://www.nknews.org/2021/06/everyone-in-north-korea-talking-about-emaciated-kim-jong-un-state-media/. Lochglasgowstrathyre ( talk) 19:26, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
People keep changing it for no reason even though it's a perfectly good quality picture of Kim Jong-un. DaBabyindahouse ( talk) 11:12, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
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DavidTheWalrus ( talk) 13:52, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
same birthday as Parker Allen
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On a new official portrait unveiled on 7th January 2021, Kim Jong-un appeared to wear the taewŏnsu shoulder boards on his military uniform, showing that he had promoted to the rank at some point prior. Image of Kim Jong-un in uniform of taewŏnsu So it would be in order to adjust his military rank accordingly.
As of 2022-01-04 this article says that Kim Jong-un is the second son of Kim Jong-il.
However, the section on " family" in the Wikipedia article on Kim Jong-il says, "He had three known sons: Kim Jong-nam, Kim Jong-chul and Kim Jong-un."
Accordingly, I'm changing this article to read, that Kim Jong-un is "a", not "the second" son of Kim Jong-il. I hope that others more knowledgeable than I will modify at least one if not both of these articles to reflect the status of knowledge about how many sons Kim Jong-il actually had, if it matters. Thanks, DavidMCEddy ( talk) 04:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
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I request that
"Kim Jong-un[a][b] (/ˌkɪm dʒɒŋˈʊn, -ˈʌn/;[3] Korean: 김정은; Korean: [kim.dzɔŋ.ɯn];[c] born 8 January 1982 or 1983"
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(My inline citation is in this line.) [1] Boxermystic ( talk) 00:46, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
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00:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)With respect, I disagree with your statement: "I don't think that source is strong enough to say this definitively." The source is a published book; the author is a former Washington Post journalist who reported heavily on North Korea and personally interacted with Kim Jong-un's aunt who fled the North Korean regime, as the quote indicates. I understand that consensus is one of the key ways to make changes to a page, but as a new editor, I'm appalled that you concluded the that the source is weak from your own opinion, instead of making a conclusion from the nature of the source itself. Boxermystic ( talk) 00:57, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
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"There was some debate over Kim Jong Un's true birth year, with some sources saying it was 1983. There were suggestions his official birthdate had been moved to 1982 to provide symmetry with his grandfather, born in 1912, and his father, whose birthdate was officially moved from 1941 to 1942. But Kim Jong Un's aunt, Ko Yong Suk, laughed when I asked about her nephew's birthdate. It had been almost two decades since she had fled the North Korean regime, but she knew for sure that Kim Jong Un was born in 1984. She'd given birth to a son of her own the month before, and she'd changed both babies' diapers at the same time."
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Currently the infobox states that Kim Jong-un has 4(3 allegedly) children how ever this a)doesn't seem to be back up in the body of the article and b)doesn't appear to be backed up by any reliable sources, I didn't want to request a change in case i missed something, apologies for any formating errors I'm on mobile Fallen-shadows94 ( talk) 23:36, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
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Which image should be used in the infobox?
Are we sure about the birth year, because the infobox now lists one year, while the lead lists two. -- IWI ( talk) 13:27, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
The caption on the info box image of him refers to him as simply "Kim in 2019". That is his surname, based on how Korean names work. Should it not say "Jong-Un"? 146.209.159.16 ( talk) 19:52, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Was he? Ioannisp44 ( talk) 16:36, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
If Kim Jong-un was promoted to Grand Marshal, then it should be relatively easy to find a source in English or Korean that reflects this fact. Yet no source has ever been provided for this claim anywhere on Wikipedia, except this photo of him in full military regalia, and whoever added this as a source to Taewonsu made the assumption of the rank themselves by looking at the blurry image of his shoulder patches. This article makes no mention of the term "Grand Marshal" and a few days ago North Korean state media still referred to Kim Jong-un as the "Marshal of the Republic" during a public appearance by him. It is also worth noting that the title "Grand Marshal" was awarded posthumously to both Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il.
Furthermore in regard to photos of Kim Jong-un's military uniform, a South Korean government official said it best: [1]
Until a reliable source states that Kim Jong-un was promoted to Grand Marshal, this change should not be made because it is complete original research and an assumption by the editor. CentreLeftRight ✉ 07:13, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
The original change was made by Handoto on 12 August 2021 without a citation. CentreLeftRight ✉ 08:00, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
@ Alexiska98, Myrabert01, and Northkoreanfan11122: Please reply to this discussion before making the change again. CentreLeftRight ✉ 07:55, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
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The military rank honorific on line 7 should be changed. Currently it looks like this: Chinaman2345 ( talk) 21:11, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
Kim Jong-un's name in Hanja is 金正恩 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.120.23.111 ( talk) 18:55, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn't Kim Jong-Un's name in IPA in Korean be transcribed as kim.dʑʌŋ.ɯ̟n instead of kim.dzɔŋ.ɯn. Please correct me if I'm wrong LeafeonFan9 ( talk) 22:21, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
I changed the first sentence of the article to say Kim is a "political official" rather than a "politician", but it was
reverted by
Yue. I did this at least in part because
Britannica describes him as such (I have not been able to find a source describing Kim as a "politician"), but I also just thought politician sounded weird for him. Politicians are often associated with elected office, and Kim is
not truly elected. See the first sentence of the wikipedia article
politician: A politician is a person active in party politics, or a person holding or seeking an elected office in government.
There as some dictionaries that's definitions of politician may encompass someone who is not elected. However, with a source using "political official" and some ambiguity with dictionaries, I think it's best to use "political official" than "politician".
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change [s]igns of a rise in luxury goods to signs of a rise in luxury goods Pranav Sreeganesh ( talk) 13:46, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
@ Yue: Hi, what do yo think about this photo? I known that the resolution isn't as good as the one of the current one but in this one he's looking at the camera - his face is shown better. Ентусиастъ/Entusiast ( talk) 21:07, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
I support A. Jack Upland ( talk) 07:34, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
I too support A. With B, the hot light behind him seriously detracts from the image. With C, the presence of a portion of the American flag behind him compromises the image. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 14:55, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
I support A, and definitely oppose C. It is inappropriate to use a photo of a national leader with another country's flag as a backdrop. Cullen328 ( talk) 15:23, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
I think C is the better photo, though I understand concerns about the American flag. Perhaps the stars could be digitally removed, similar to how the US flag was completely removed from File:Imran Ahmed Khan Niazi - UNGA (48784380531) (cropped).jpg? Yeeno ( talk) 18:15, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
@ Yue:, @ Skipple:, @ Jack Upland:, @ Hammersoft:, @ Cullen328:, @ Yeeno: I was the one who replaced the odd-looking A (odd angle, too zoomed at lower part, strange body proportions) to B and then to C. I preffer C. I agree that the background in B is too bright and is thus more or less distracting. I chose it because Kim looks straight at the camera and because I didn't found C yet. I agree that it's kind of strange for him to stay in front of the US flag, but I disagree that it's a huge problem per se if the infobox image of a state leader shows him in front of a flag of another country. An example of that is File:Сердар Бердымухамедов (10-06-2022).jpg
which is curently used in Turkmenistan's Serdar Berdimuhamedow infobox. And finally, I agree with @ Yeeno: that the US flag can be removed/retouched. If the current image gets changed for whatever reason, then I would support B (i.e. the previous one). For me A is out of discussion because of the odd angle and the strange body proportions. Ентусиастъ/Entusiast ( talk) 17:14, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
@ Ентусиастъ: I would like to know why the image was changed to C, even though this discussion was still ongoing and even though there is clearly no consensus to change it to C? -- Hammersoft ( talk) 13:35, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
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Hi, I would like an addition under his "Public image" section. Kim Jong-un has the nickname "Rocket Man", and I think it should be added as it was quite popular a while back. Here are the reliable sources https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/09/world/asia/trump-kim-jong-un.html https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/article174107001.html https://www.bustle.com/p/what-does-rocket-man-mean-trumps-nickname-for-kim-jong-un-is-making-waves-2406305 https://www.businessinsider.com/kim-jong-un-relaxed-about-little-rocket-man-nickname-south-korea-2018-3 https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/19/trumps-new-nickname-rocket-man-for-kim-jong-un-is-brilliant-commentary.html https://www.foxnews.com/world/north-korea-to-warns-trump-over-rocket-man-nickname
Thanks. Like that Elton John song, if you ask me 151.210.139.250 ( talk) 08:30, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
This Wikipedia article has been vandalised to claim that Kim Jong-un was born on 8 January 1982, when it is actually 8 January 1984. I will fix this. 2001:8003:6C38:5D00:B8CD:B8C9:4363:B619 ( talk) 12:47, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
It was just revealed by NK that Kim has had a daughter, so this should probably be included in the infobox right? (source https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/11/19/north-korean-leader-reveals-daughter-at-ballistic-missile-launch) Ametica ( talk) 09:06, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
Any update on "In a poll of South Koreans conducted following the May 2018 inter-Korean summit, 78% of respondents said they trusted Kim, compared with 10% approval a couple months prior." in the Public image section? I doubt if the views would still be as flaterring. Gotitbro ( talk) 23:28, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
Every edit seems to take this article further away from a chronological structure. I don't think this will end well. Jack Upland ( talk) 06:44, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Which year(s) of birth should be used in the article lead and the infobox?
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The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 07:04, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
– Previous discussion regarding North Korean names has rendered no consensus. (For previous discussions see here: [11], [12], [13], [14], and [15]) While South Korea has changed their preferred romanization of Korean names from " Kim Dae Jung" to " Kim Dae-jung", this is not the case for North Korea, which uses the romanization of " Kim Il Sung" for all names (The Economist Style Guide 2005 p. 102). The AP Stylebook follows this guideline, stating "North Korean names are written as three separate words, each capitalized: Kim Jong Un."
Kim Il Sung is the definitive common name per Google ngram [16] with sources going about two to one in favor of "Kim Il Sung". For the other two names, Google ngram shows similar rates of usage of both romanizations [17] [18]. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean) states that "If there is no personal preference, and no established English spelling, hyphenate the syllables, with only the first syllable capitalized."
It has been previously argued that the spelling "Kim Jong Un" would not be neutral. I find this unconvincing as this is the romanization used by North Korea for all Korean names and was also a historical romanization used by South Korea. If anything, using "Kim Jong-un", despite a clear personal preference for a name that is also common usage is breaking with NPOV.
Sources publishing in American English nearly universally use the unhyphenated romanziation. Sources from the United Kingdom or associated with the UK use both romanizations. South Korean sources generally use the hyphenated romanization, which follows the preferred romanization of South Korean names. As a whole, "Kim Jong Un" and "Kim Jong Il" have wider adoption than "Kim Jong-un" and "Kim Jong-il", while usage of "Kim Il Sung" is clearly favored in the sources. :3 F4U ( they /it) 16:58, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
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, andno established English spelling
, hyphenate the syllables, with only the first syllable capitalized. What I have shown here is that there is a personal preference and that there is an established English spelling. Regardless, WP:COMMONNAME trumps any naming convention. :3 F4U ( they /it) 14:09, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
Koreans variously spell two-syllable given names as a joined word or separated by a hyphen or a space, with the second syllable in uppercase, and the third syllable in lowercase.But others does not (e.g. Jungkook). Surveyor Mount 22:25, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
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72.225.173.90 ( talk) 15:55, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
Do not learn about this man
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Once again the birth year in the lede is being changed
[19]. It keeps on being changed, in a never ending loop. We discussed this most recently above at "Birth year in the lead and the infobox". We can all agree there's no certainty about the birth year. But, regardless of that uncertainty we can be certain about how we describe this uncertainty in the lede and infobox. In an effort to get people to come to some consensus, I'm going to ping every non-IP editor who has edited this talk page this year, along with everyone who has edited the article this year. Sorry for all the pings. But, the prior discussion did not have enough people participating. If we can't get enough participation with this attempt, I'll start an RfC later.
Please pick an option:
If some other option, please be clear as to why. Yes, we know the sources vary. Yes, we know that North Korea claims 1982. This isn't about the sources, but about how to best describe the situation in the lede. Thank you, -- Hammersoft ( talk) 17:21, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
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Please undo revision 1172317769. It's vandalism. 83.22.7.42 ( talk) 12:28, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
This well-meaning but incorrect edit is made at least once or twice a year, so a reminder to other editors that:
You would think that Kim Jong Un's promotion to Grand Marshal would have been officially announced by now, given the prestige of the title and its momentous importance to the country's propaganda. Yet over three years later this has not been done, probably because the promotion hasn't happened yet. Yue 🌙 22:43, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
May you add the following to this article's Russia subsection under 'Leader of North Korea'?
Thank you. My Soul is on Strike ( talk) 20:33, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
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Some sources said Kim could be born in 1984 49.130.130.36 ( talk) 07:15, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
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undo vandalism special:diff/1177138593 79.185.137.70 ( talk) 10:21, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
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I request for the Category:North Korean communists to be added to the External Links. 95.151.245.1 ( talk) 11:22, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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Hello everybody, I think we should start a discussion about Kim's portrait. There're three main proposals (but you can add more options if you like):
I personally support A, which was used for years , it has a better quality and there isn't a US flag behind him (which is quite ironical). -- Nick.mon ( talk) 21:51, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
This article may need revision as a result of the publication of this news article. 86.22.108.188 ( talk) 07:30, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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Super drowzee2 ( talk) 09:42, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
He has died on december 10 2023 from clasified health issues
I am adding this talk to discuss her being confirmed. It has been confirmed by multiple articles that North Korea had confirmed she is the daughter of Kim Jon Un. Therefor she should not be unconfirmed in the box but confirmed @ Blaze 007 GothicGolem29 ( talk) 19:00, 8 January 2024 (UTC)