This article is under development.
Siddiqui 20:39, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I reverted the edit that changed the article from a redirect to a stub. The information is already covered in Zionist political violence. Moreover, it appears that this edit was the result of a dispute at Islamic Terrorism. Dchall1 ( talk) 03:13, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Jayjg, there is no mention of those organisations on the article you refer to. Dchal, Jayjg is right, the parallel with Christian and Muslim terrorism fails. As they seem to be more Jewish than Zionist, the Zionist political violence article isn't a suitable place for them. Based on this, I've decided that a redirect is not appropriate.
Lapsed Pacifist ( talk) 12:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Nonsense. Religious terrorism#Jewish does not exist, as the religious terrorism article does not even mention Jewish terrorism. If that's the kind of argument you're making, I'm compelled to restore the text.
Lapsed Pacifist ( talk) 14:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Leaving aside your opinion on its value for the moment, why do you say it's misleadingly labelled?
Lapsed Pacifist ( talk) 18:53, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
As a reminder, this article is under the scope of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles. As an uninvolved administrator, I have wide latitude in restrictions that I can place on the article, as well as discretionary sanctions on the involved editors. So please, stop with the edit-warring, and discuss differences at the talkpage. Thanks, -- El on ka 16:36, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
As Jewish can refer to either the religion or the ethnic group, I propose moving this article to Jewish religious terrorism. Thoughts?
Lapsed Pacifist ( talk) 11:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I've readded the {{judaism-stub}} template since it was removed without explaination (and the article still looks like a stub by any criteria) in this change: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jewish_religious_terrorism&diff=220569148&oldid=220569013
I'm no expert on the subject, so I'm redirecting any discussion here (to avoid any edit warring).
-- Blaisorblade ( talk) 20:17, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
What about Jewish bombs and such targeting British early in the 20th century, during the campaign to create the state of Isreal? Irgun, Lehi and so on? Sources: "Increased Jewish immigration, which had begun in the late 19th century, provoked both Arab unrest and Jewish terrorism aimed at ending the British administration" [1]; "The British feared that their failure to control Jewish terrorism would turn Palestinian Arabs against them" [2]; "Actions were stepped up through 1945 and 1946, by which time Jewish terrorism had cost the lives of 373 people in Palestine" [3]... It should be mentioned, and if it falls outside religious, Jewish terrorism should be changed from redirect into an article. Alternatively, this article may need to be moved back to its previous title (Jewish terrorism). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Use the most easily recognized name:
-- Poeticbent talk 01:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Which reliable source has stated that the pipe bomb planted by an alleged new "Jewish undergound" is an example of "Jewish terrorism"? Jayjg (talk) 01:34, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
I think this is appropriate, but perhaps a summary should be made here- other thoughts? 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 02:01, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Why is secular Jewish terrorism not covered here, and where should it be covered if not here? 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 05:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Why is it not neutral to list Irgun here? Are you disputing that they were Jewish terrorists? Do you know what neutrality means? The article is biased, I was trying to add to it. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 07:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
which one? 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 07:46, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Zionist groups in the British Mandate of Palestine fighting for a Jewish Homeland used terrorism. Between 1945 and the Independence of Israel, 784 British and Danish soldiers were buried in Palestine [1] by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, out of a total of 1200 foreign nationals and Palestine Police known to be buried there. [2] By 1946 Jewish terrorism had cost the lives of 373 people in Palestine. [5]
- by me. Ceedjee ( talk) 17:59, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Where does the idea come from that "Jewish terrorism" means religious terrorism - the name of the article is "Jewish terrorism".
Failing a response I have reinstated Zionist terrorist groups. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 02:34, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
I've read this talk page and haven't found a proper answer to the question several editors have asked: Exactly who says "Jewish terrorism" = "religious Jewish terrorism"? Its difficult to escape the impression that this arbitrary restriction, apparently unique to Wikipedia, has been put in simply in order to avoid inclusion of groups like Lehi and Irgun in the category. MeteorMaker ( talk) 08:07, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Please STOP ARGUING and explain WHO says Jewish terrorism is restricted to Religious terrorism. Here is an Israeli source that obviously doesn't. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1043413.html There is no reason why Irgun should not be listed here as well as under Zionist political violence, if it fits both categories. Ceedjee has a declared bias in favour of Israel. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 03:49, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
http://hnn.us/articles/832.html as well. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 06:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not publish original research or original thought. This includes unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas; and any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position. This means that Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own opinions, experiences, or arguments. Citing sources and avoiding original research are inextricably linked: to demonstrate that you are not presenting original research, you must cite reliable sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and that directly support the information as it is presented. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 08:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
There has been long discussion and disputes around the article Jewish terrorism. According to the different points of views in different talk pages :
The article
Neo-Zionism explains the origin of these wording used by different scholars working in the field of sociology and study of nationalism...
What would you think about the move from
Jewish terrorism to
Neo-Zionist political violence ?
Ceedjee (
talk) 10:50, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Christian terrorism and Islamic terrorism are both defined as religious terrorism, so I suppose Jewish terrorism should be defined similarly. Kach and the Gush Emunim Underground are both religious Zionist organizations, so theoretically they could fit into both Zionist political violence and Jewish terrorism. Maybe it's best ot just leave things as they are; in case someone can come up with non-Zionist Jewish terrorists. What are you suggesting we rename it to? -- Nudve ( talk) 15:34, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
If we rename "Jewish terrorism" to "Zionist violence", I assume we'll be likewise renaming "Islamic terrorism" to "Caliphate-establishing militant actions" ? "Communist terrorism" to "Unilateral deeds of a guerrilla nature intended to ensure the equality of all people" ? Sherurcij ( speaker for the dead) 16:19, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
It should be removed from Palestinian Political violence, by the logic above, as it is a secular organisation. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 06:21, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I notice that over a month, no one has been able to give references to the statement in the lead that Jewish terrorism refers to religiously motivated acts. I have therefore removed that unreferenced, and controversial (see above) statement from the lead. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 03:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
please explain why the sources I give do not suit you. try and find some of your own. Rpeating the same thing 10 times does not make it true! 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 07:12, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Please rewrite - just don't delete. Your source - http://terrorism.about.com/od/politicalislamterrorism/tp/Religious-terrorism.htm - doesn't mention "jewish terrorism" - but does mention the stern gang! 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 07:54, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Not only odes it mention the stern gang, but it got the article reverted by XLinkBot. Please take more care with your references. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 08:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I spent a lot of time writing the following, referenced text. It was deleted within minutes. Please suggest improvements I could make to the references or the content, as it would be a shame if the article was to be incomplete!
| last = Zalman | first = Amy | title = Religious terrorism: a primer on terrorism and religion | work = About.com | accessdate = 2009-02-19 | url = http://terrorism.about.com/od/politicalislamterrorism/tp/Religious-terrorism.htm } 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 18:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
The Stern Gang were Jewish, they were trying to create a Jewish homeland, as described in the bible. They described themselves as Jewish terrorists. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 03:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I spent a lot of time writing the following, referenced text. It was deleted within minutes. Please suggest improvements I could make to the references or the content, as it would be a shame if the article was to be incomplete!
There were repeated confrontations between Palestine’s Jewish community and Jewish terrorists. A famous one followed the 1944 murder in Cairo of Lord Moyne, the British minister-resident in the Middle East, by the terrorist Stern Gang. In response, the shocked and revolted Jewish community hunted down terrorists relentlessly, turning over more than 700 names to the British.
There were truces too, when the Jewish authorities (desperately outgunned and outnumbered in their war for independence) tried to co-opt two terrorist groups, the Stern Gang and the Irgun, into the regular army. But the Sternists and the Irgun invariably returned to terror, shattering the truce.
Jewish terrorism was stamped out at last after a U.N. mediator was assassinated in late 1948. Israel’s new Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion ordered: “Arrest all Stern Gang leaders. Surround all Stern bases. Confiscate all arms. Kill any who resist.” Soon afterward, the Irgun also bit the dust. http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jul/15/opinion/oe-gelernter15 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 07:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I have moved this here :
Before the State of Israel
There were repeated confrontations between Palestine’s Jewish community and Jewish terrorists. A famous one followed the 1944 murder in Cairo of Lord Moyne, the British minister-resident in the Middle East, by the terrorist Stern Gang. In response, the shocked and revolted Jewish community hunted down terrorists relentlessly, turning over more than 700 names to the British.
There were truces too, when the Jewish authorities (desperately outgunned and outnumbered in their war for independence) tried to co-opt two terrorist groups, the Stern Gang and the Irgun, into the regular army. But the Sternists and the Irgun invariably returned to terror, shattering the truce.
Jewish terrorism was stamped out at last after a U.N. mediator was assassinated in late 1948. Israel’s new Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion ordered: “Arrest all Stern Gang leaders. Surround all Stern bases. Confiscate all arms. Kill any who resist.” Soon afterward, the Irgun also bit the dust. [3]
It has been explained to you many times that "jewish terrorism" was the religious one. See above. Ceedjee ( talk) 18:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Is there somebody who disagrees with the move to Jewish religious terrorism ? Ceedjee ( talk) 18:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I ask for a source that has validity. Please provide one. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 15:33, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
For the reasons outlined here, I support the renaming of the three sub-articles dealing with Religious Terrorism. The logic of doing that is to make it clear that the purpose of the articles is specifically to discuss religious terrorism carried out under the names of the different religions. In this article, the opening sentence would become something like, Jewish religious terrorism is religious terrorism by those whose motivations are rooted in their interpretation of Judaism. I think that it would be a good idea to summarise somewhere near the top of the article what the distinguishing features of religious terrorism are. -- ZScarpia ( talk) 14:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
who added this - what does it mean? 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 15:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Not all - anarchists, communists, etc are not covered. Zionist political violence covers most terrorism, or political violence, practised in the name of Judaism. I am happy to reword the link 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 00:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
This seems to pop up every few weeks by POV-pushing edit warriors. So , once again: read this entire talk page, there is a consensus of editors (Ceedjee, Canadian Monkey,
Lapsed Pacifist, Jayjg,
ליאור)whose view it is that this article be written along the lines of
Christian terrorism or
Islamic terrorism - that is , terrorism done with religious motivations, in the name of a religion, not ethnic violence practiced by people who belong to a certain faith. There is already another article for that - it's called
Zionist political violence
NoCal100 (
talk) 15:30, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
A consensus does not justify ORIGINAL RESEARCH. Could one of the 5 editors who are not trying to push a POV please provide proper sources and references to this article. I am concerned that my contributions, and their references, are consistently deleted. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 23:56, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
[reply to MeteorMaker's 22:39, 24 February comment] Hello. In terms of terrorism, Muslim and Christian can just be convenient labels to identify what distinguishes the members of the group from those they are terrorising or from other surrounding people too. When people talk about Islamic/Muslim or Christian terrorism, they're not necessarily referring to religious terrorism (a not particularly widespread or well-developed concept), which is why I would suggest that those articles are renamed as well. If the activities of groups fulfil the definitions of Zionist political violence and Jewish religious terrorism, my suggestion would be that either a brief description of them is given in both the relevant articles, or that the current article is deleted and Jewish religious terrorism is covered in a separate section of the Zionist political violence article. Since having a Zionist ideological base is not a necessary part of Jewish religious terrorism, (and it would be unnecessarily antagonistic) my opinion is that this article should not be included in the Zionist Terrorism category. -- ZScarpia ( talk) 00:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Why delete the content, when it describes political violence by Zionists, which should be incorporated in Zionist political violence 93.96.148.42 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added on 03:54, 25 February 2009 (UTC).
I am confused - when a Zionist attacks an Arab because his Zionism tells him that he should take the Arab's land - as the groups listed in this article advocate, where does Judaism come in? 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 22:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Jayjg please fix the other article that is broken, and let me try to fix this one. Better fix one, than have both broken! If this article is to be deleted, the content should be included within Zionist political violence, since it refers to political violence by zionists. Here are some sources that define Jewish terrorism- http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1043413.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/3128224/Jewish-terrorism-threatens-Israel.html http://hnn.us/articles/832.html http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world-news/israel-born-out-of-jewish-terrorism-british-parliamentarian_100143359.html http://www.milligazette.com/dailyupdate/2006/20060826_Muslim_terrorism_Jewish_Christian.htm 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 03:15, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I think Jayjg made a wise recommendation - it will give you a chance to
see what it is like on the other side, and hopefully improve this article, too, as it was modeled after that one. This article does not refers to political violence by Zionists (though you and other editors insist that it should) - that article is
Zionist political violence. This article is about religiously motivated acts of violence.
NoCal100 (
talk) 03:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Have looked at islamic terrorism - awful, should be renamed or deleted. No justification for continued existence of this non-article. The articles cited do not use "Jewish Terrorism" to describe religiously motivated terrorism, please find some that do, which are not deleted by a bot, otherwise this article is Original research. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 03:52, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I tried to move the page to
Jewish religious terrorism because 6 out of 7 editors agree to proceed while the 7th editor requires a definition of the current title, that cannot be provided. I failed because the article
Jewish religious terrorism already exists and redirects here... I don't know how to deal this technically.
If somebody could proceed to the move, we could then let the opportunity to any editor to create and develop another article related to other kinds of Jewish terrorism not linked to Judaism or to Zionist political violence.
They would certainly have to pass the AfD debate that may follow their creation but at least, we would have a debate on the issue.
Ceedjee (
talk) 18:19, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I suggest something similar to American_terrorism. Linking to Zionist Political Violence, Whatever this article is renamed as, etc 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 22:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
The edit summary in this revert appears to be based on the non-standard definition (discussed extensively above) that arbitrarily injects an invisible "religious" in "Jewish terrorism". Question to Ceedjee: is there any support in reliable sources or policy for that? MeteorMaker ( talk) 12:32, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. - GTBacchus( talk) 00:01, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Jewish terrorism → Jewish religious terrorism — This article is part of a familly of articles that have been created initially to refer to terrorism performed in the context of religions. Nevertheless Jewish is ambiguous given it can refer both a religion (Judaism) or to a group of people (Jews) and no source that would restrict the topic to religious Judaism can be provided. To prevent WP:CFORK with other articles talking about IZL, LHI or other events, it is better to precise the topic in the title. — Ceedjee ( talk) 09:27, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions."Jewish religious terrorism is terrorism committed by Jews for religious or political reasons". Surely not. Jewish religious terrorism is actually terrorism committed by Jews for reasons of religious ideology. If someone happens to be Jewish and part of, say, an animal rights groups that bombs a lab, that'd be for political reasons, but not "Jewish religious terrorism". That wording isn't tight enough. Note that terrorism is already defined to include a political motive. What about "Jewish religious terrorism is terrorism by whose motivations and aims have a predominant Jewish religious character or influence", taking the wording from the lead of Religious terrorism? Discussion of terrorism motivated by nationalism rather than religion should go into Nationalist terrorism. Fences and windows ( talk) 17:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I added sourced material on these Jewish Religious Terrorists. It was removed, citing NPOV. Yigal Amir said "I acted alone and on orders from God," http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.winter98.9/methods.html, and both are cited in the context of religious terrorism. Are there any reasoned objections to covering them, and their views in the article. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 17:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
This section about Sternhall was tolerated at the time, but has since fallen into irrelevancy to this article. Nothing has been publicized tying this incident with Sternhall to anyone, let alone anything Jewish or religious. From the quoted source, "Although the police have said they fear a new Jewish underground was responsible for the attack, they also said that the investigation into the attack was in the early stages and that it wasn't yet clear who the perpetrators were." The section is heresay allegations that the police deny. -- Shuki ( talk) 23:28, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
This article is now little more than a subjective list that uses citations of random opinions, and it violates WP:Terrorist in every way. dmyersturnbull ⇒ talk 23:12, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Unless there is consensus disagreement, I propose that this page archive all strings with nothing more recent than the prior 21 days.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 22:11, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
The name should change Religous violance, terrorism is an unneutral title. Kasaalan ( talk) 10:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Since it is about groups who are/were definitively labeled terrorist organizations by governments I don't think we are breaking any rules by saying it's terrorism. And then we'd also have to change every "Terrorism by 'some Group'" to be "Extremism by 'some Group'". Terrorism just isn't a neutral word; we can have all "Terrorism" articles terrorism or have them "Extremism". Right now Wikipedia has Christian and Muslim terrorism but no Jewish terrorism article. Sol Goldstone ( talk) 00:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Jim Fitzgerald: one incident that may be appropriate for this article is the 614 CE massacre in Jerusalem. It is discussed in Reckless Rites by Elliot Horowitz (pp 228-250); and in History of the Jews: from the earliest times to the present day, Volume 3 by Heinrich Graetz, pp 20-21; and Brother against brother: violence and extremism in Israeli politics by Ehud Sprinzak, p 287. I don't think it is mentioned yet in any article in this encyclopedia. -- Noleander ( talk) 18:44, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
It seems that the subject of the article has been redefined each time it was renamed. Currently, it does not make a lot of sense, and not all inter-wiki links are appropriate. Term terrorism in its modern meaning cannot be applied retroactively to describe events that took place hundreds or thousands of years ago. This clearly violates NPOV. Of course, religious violence can be put in historical perspective, but we already have Violence in Judaism and can move appropriate parts there.
Also, Jewish Defense League was not a religious organization in any sense. It clearly does not belong here. It has been suggested before to rename the article to Neo-Zionist political violence. It would allow including organizations based on political, rather than religious affiliation. -- Vicky Ng ( talk) 23:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Vicky: My point was very simple: WP has articles on Christian terrorism, Islamic terrorism, etc. We cannot treat Judaism specially, so this article will exist one way or another. On your question as to whether the medieval material belongs in this article or Judaism and violence, I do not have a strong opinion. If you want to propose moving it to the latter, I would not object. -- Noleander ( talk) 04:15, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Events in this period should be moved to another article. They don't fall under terrorism. Chesdovi ( talk) 23:27, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Chesdovi: It looks like that is encyclopedic material: can you move it to another article (vs deleting entirely)? Or did you already move it? -- Noleander ( talk) 14:26, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Shuki: what is your concern about the Individuals section? There are numerous reliable sources that describe Goldstein's and Amir's motivations as religious in nature. -- Noleander ( talk) 18:36, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
What arises from this is that the acts of the accused -- especially the ludicrous attempt to argue that a difference exists between wounding Rabin, as Prime Minister, and wounding him as a person -- are a crass attempt, the fruit of a distorted thought, which is designed to sanction the murder as a religious commandment or a moral mission. And is there nothing more blasphemous than this act, in which the accused tried to find within the Torah grounds -- which do not exist -- to justify this terrible act.
No it isn't, that is called SYNTH. Terrorists murder. Amir, a religious Jew convicted of murder = Amir is a Jewish religious terrorist? If you want to add a line to the Amir article saying that some call him a terrorist, try there first. But don't add him here as an example of terrorist when the vast majority of thousands on thousands of mentions refer to him as an assasin or murderer, and a couple as a terrorist. -- Shuki ( talk) 18:38, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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On 30 October 2010 (18:23), User:Jim Fitzgerald edited the lead section to include the passage, "The motivation for Jewish religious terrorism is typically rooted in an fanatical interpretation of the Judaic dogmas,[3] and other tenets of faith." In the article's current version, the passage now reads, "Its motivation is typically rooted in a fanatical interpretation of Judaic dogmas[4]."
The source provided is to "Democracy Isn't Easy," an article by Anne Roiphe on the Ground Zero mosque in the Jerusalem Post, from 14 September 2010.
In the entire article there is one sentence that directly mentions Jews. But since one could conceivably argue that the theme of the paragraph is Jewish extremism, let's suppose there are three sentences. These have been reproduced below:
In the first place, the lead section should not include sources of questionable reliability. Anne Roiphe appears to be a feminist writer: her academic credentials do not establish her as a reliable authority on the subject.
Secondly, being that the article is about the Ground Zero mosque and not about about Jewish religious terrorism, it is a poor choice of reference for a claim in the lead.
And thirdly, the text you inserted into the lead does not correspond to what Roiphe wrote in her article. Roiphe wrote, "Baruch Goldstein, Yigal Amir and those who encouraged them also perverted their love of God into slaughter." You, however, wrote, "The motivation for Jewish religious terrorism is typically rooted in an fanatical interpretation of the Judaic dogmas." There is no source for "typically rooted" or "fanatical interpretation of Judaic dogma." Hence the tag Template:Failed verification.
User:Jim Fitzgerald, please address these concerns by editing the text in the article, or by replying here if you prefer to defend the current version.— Biosketch ( talk) 17:05, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
The third citation in the lead is being challenged. The reference itself isn't a problem; rather a quote from the reference is required to verify that Pedahzur and Perliger themselves recognize such a concept as "Jewish religious terrorism" in their book. As the article itself acknowledges further down, Pedahzur and Perliger "tend not to distinguish between nationalist and religious Jewish terrorism." This would seem to conflict with the claim being made in the first sentence in the lead, which purports to use Pedahzur and Perliger as a source for the very definition of "Jewish religious terrorism." Failure to produce the required quotation will mean that the article is interpreting Pedahzur and Perliger in a way they did not themselves intend, possibly even misrepresenting their research, in which case it would constitute WP:OR and the citation would have to be removed.— Biosketch ( talk) 11:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
There are considerable WP:OR problems with the whole "List of Jewish religious terrorist organizations" section, as none of the sources cited classifies these organizations as "Jewish religious terrorist organizations." Unless editors can find sources that identify these groups specifically as "Jewish religious terrorist organizations," the claim is tantamount to WP:OR.— Biosketch ( talk) 18:18, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
This article is under development.
Siddiqui 20:39, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I reverted the edit that changed the article from a redirect to a stub. The information is already covered in Zionist political violence. Moreover, it appears that this edit was the result of a dispute at Islamic Terrorism. Dchall1 ( talk) 03:13, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Jayjg, there is no mention of those organisations on the article you refer to. Dchal, Jayjg is right, the parallel with Christian and Muslim terrorism fails. As they seem to be more Jewish than Zionist, the Zionist political violence article isn't a suitable place for them. Based on this, I've decided that a redirect is not appropriate.
Lapsed Pacifist ( talk) 12:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Nonsense. Religious terrorism#Jewish does not exist, as the religious terrorism article does not even mention Jewish terrorism. If that's the kind of argument you're making, I'm compelled to restore the text.
Lapsed Pacifist ( talk) 14:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Leaving aside your opinion on its value for the moment, why do you say it's misleadingly labelled?
Lapsed Pacifist ( talk) 18:53, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
As a reminder, this article is under the scope of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles. As an uninvolved administrator, I have wide latitude in restrictions that I can place on the article, as well as discretionary sanctions on the involved editors. So please, stop with the edit-warring, and discuss differences at the talkpage. Thanks, -- El on ka 16:36, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
As Jewish can refer to either the religion or the ethnic group, I propose moving this article to Jewish religious terrorism. Thoughts?
Lapsed Pacifist ( talk) 11:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I've readded the {{judaism-stub}} template since it was removed without explaination (and the article still looks like a stub by any criteria) in this change: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jewish_religious_terrorism&diff=220569148&oldid=220569013
I'm no expert on the subject, so I'm redirecting any discussion here (to avoid any edit warring).
-- Blaisorblade ( talk) 20:17, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
What about Jewish bombs and such targeting British early in the 20th century, during the campaign to create the state of Isreal? Irgun, Lehi and so on? Sources: "Increased Jewish immigration, which had begun in the late 19th century, provoked both Arab unrest and Jewish terrorism aimed at ending the British administration" [1]; "The British feared that their failure to control Jewish terrorism would turn Palestinian Arabs against them" [2]; "Actions were stepped up through 1945 and 1946, by which time Jewish terrorism had cost the lives of 373 people in Palestine" [3]... It should be mentioned, and if it falls outside religious, Jewish terrorism should be changed from redirect into an article. Alternatively, this article may need to be moved back to its previous title (Jewish terrorism). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Use the most easily recognized name:
-- Poeticbent talk 01:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Which reliable source has stated that the pipe bomb planted by an alleged new "Jewish undergound" is an example of "Jewish terrorism"? Jayjg (talk) 01:34, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
I think this is appropriate, but perhaps a summary should be made here- other thoughts? 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 02:01, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Why is secular Jewish terrorism not covered here, and where should it be covered if not here? 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 05:44, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Why is it not neutral to list Irgun here? Are you disputing that they were Jewish terrorists? Do you know what neutrality means? The article is biased, I was trying to add to it. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 07:42, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
which one? 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 07:46, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Zionist groups in the British Mandate of Palestine fighting for a Jewish Homeland used terrorism. Between 1945 and the Independence of Israel, 784 British and Danish soldiers were buried in Palestine [1] by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, out of a total of 1200 foreign nationals and Palestine Police known to be buried there. [2] By 1946 Jewish terrorism had cost the lives of 373 people in Palestine. [5]
- by me. Ceedjee ( talk) 17:59, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Where does the idea come from that "Jewish terrorism" means religious terrorism - the name of the article is "Jewish terrorism".
Failing a response I have reinstated Zionist terrorist groups. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 02:34, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
I've read this talk page and haven't found a proper answer to the question several editors have asked: Exactly who says "Jewish terrorism" = "religious Jewish terrorism"? Its difficult to escape the impression that this arbitrary restriction, apparently unique to Wikipedia, has been put in simply in order to avoid inclusion of groups like Lehi and Irgun in the category. MeteorMaker ( talk) 08:07, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Please STOP ARGUING and explain WHO says Jewish terrorism is restricted to Religious terrorism. Here is an Israeli source that obviously doesn't. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1043413.html There is no reason why Irgun should not be listed here as well as under Zionist political violence, if it fits both categories. Ceedjee has a declared bias in favour of Israel. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 03:49, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
http://hnn.us/articles/832.html as well. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 06:18, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not publish original research or original thought. This includes unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas; and any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position. This means that Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own opinions, experiences, or arguments. Citing sources and avoiding original research are inextricably linked: to demonstrate that you are not presenting original research, you must cite reliable sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and that directly support the information as it is presented. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 08:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
There has been long discussion and disputes around the article Jewish terrorism. According to the different points of views in different talk pages :
The article
Neo-Zionism explains the origin of these wording used by different scholars working in the field of sociology and study of nationalism...
What would you think about the move from
Jewish terrorism to
Neo-Zionist political violence ?
Ceedjee (
talk) 10:50, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
Christian terrorism and Islamic terrorism are both defined as religious terrorism, so I suppose Jewish terrorism should be defined similarly. Kach and the Gush Emunim Underground are both religious Zionist organizations, so theoretically they could fit into both Zionist political violence and Jewish terrorism. Maybe it's best ot just leave things as they are; in case someone can come up with non-Zionist Jewish terrorists. What are you suggesting we rename it to? -- Nudve ( talk) 15:34, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
If we rename "Jewish terrorism" to "Zionist violence", I assume we'll be likewise renaming "Islamic terrorism" to "Caliphate-establishing militant actions" ? "Communist terrorism" to "Unilateral deeds of a guerrilla nature intended to ensure the equality of all people" ? Sherurcij ( speaker for the dead) 16:19, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
It should be removed from Palestinian Political violence, by the logic above, as it is a secular organisation. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 06:21, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I notice that over a month, no one has been able to give references to the statement in the lead that Jewish terrorism refers to religiously motivated acts. I have therefore removed that unreferenced, and controversial (see above) statement from the lead. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 03:57, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
please explain why the sources I give do not suit you. try and find some of your own. Rpeating the same thing 10 times does not make it true! 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 07:12, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Please rewrite - just don't delete. Your source - http://terrorism.about.com/od/politicalislamterrorism/tp/Religious-terrorism.htm - doesn't mention "jewish terrorism" - but does mention the stern gang! 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 07:54, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Not only odes it mention the stern gang, but it got the article reverted by XLinkBot. Please take more care with your references. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 08:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I spent a lot of time writing the following, referenced text. It was deleted within minutes. Please suggest improvements I could make to the references or the content, as it would be a shame if the article was to be incomplete!
| last = Zalman | first = Amy | title = Religious terrorism: a primer on terrorism and religion | work = About.com | accessdate = 2009-02-19 | url = http://terrorism.about.com/od/politicalislamterrorism/tp/Religious-terrorism.htm } 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 18:21, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
The Stern Gang were Jewish, they were trying to create a Jewish homeland, as described in the bible. They described themselves as Jewish terrorists. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 03:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I spent a lot of time writing the following, referenced text. It was deleted within minutes. Please suggest improvements I could make to the references or the content, as it would be a shame if the article was to be incomplete!
There were repeated confrontations between Palestine’s Jewish community and Jewish terrorists. A famous one followed the 1944 murder in Cairo of Lord Moyne, the British minister-resident in the Middle East, by the terrorist Stern Gang. In response, the shocked and revolted Jewish community hunted down terrorists relentlessly, turning over more than 700 names to the British.
There were truces too, when the Jewish authorities (desperately outgunned and outnumbered in their war for independence) tried to co-opt two terrorist groups, the Stern Gang and the Irgun, into the regular army. But the Sternists and the Irgun invariably returned to terror, shattering the truce.
Jewish terrorism was stamped out at last after a U.N. mediator was assassinated in late 1948. Israel’s new Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion ordered: “Arrest all Stern Gang leaders. Surround all Stern bases. Confiscate all arms. Kill any who resist.” Soon afterward, the Irgun also bit the dust. http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jul/15/opinion/oe-gelernter15 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 07:17, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I have moved this here :
Before the State of Israel
There were repeated confrontations between Palestine’s Jewish community and Jewish terrorists. A famous one followed the 1944 murder in Cairo of Lord Moyne, the British minister-resident in the Middle East, by the terrorist Stern Gang. In response, the shocked and revolted Jewish community hunted down terrorists relentlessly, turning over more than 700 names to the British.
There were truces too, when the Jewish authorities (desperately outgunned and outnumbered in their war for independence) tried to co-opt two terrorist groups, the Stern Gang and the Irgun, into the regular army. But the Sternists and the Irgun invariably returned to terror, shattering the truce.
Jewish terrorism was stamped out at last after a U.N. mediator was assassinated in late 1948. Israel’s new Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion ordered: “Arrest all Stern Gang leaders. Surround all Stern bases. Confiscate all arms. Kill any who resist.” Soon afterward, the Irgun also bit the dust. [3]
It has been explained to you many times that "jewish terrorism" was the religious one. See above. Ceedjee ( talk) 18:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Is there somebody who disagrees with the move to Jewish religious terrorism ? Ceedjee ( talk) 18:37, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I ask for a source that has validity. Please provide one. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 15:33, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
For the reasons outlined here, I support the renaming of the three sub-articles dealing with Religious Terrorism. The logic of doing that is to make it clear that the purpose of the articles is specifically to discuss religious terrorism carried out under the names of the different religions. In this article, the opening sentence would become something like, Jewish religious terrorism is religious terrorism by those whose motivations are rooted in their interpretation of Judaism. I think that it would be a good idea to summarise somewhere near the top of the article what the distinguishing features of religious terrorism are. -- ZScarpia ( talk) 14:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
who added this - what does it mean? 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 15:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Not all - anarchists, communists, etc are not covered. Zionist political violence covers most terrorism, or political violence, practised in the name of Judaism. I am happy to reword the link 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 00:50, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
This seems to pop up every few weeks by POV-pushing edit warriors. So , once again: read this entire talk page, there is a consensus of editors (Ceedjee, Canadian Monkey,
Lapsed Pacifist, Jayjg,
ליאור)whose view it is that this article be written along the lines of
Christian terrorism or
Islamic terrorism - that is , terrorism done with religious motivations, in the name of a religion, not ethnic violence practiced by people who belong to a certain faith. There is already another article for that - it's called
Zionist political violence
NoCal100 (
talk) 15:30, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
A consensus does not justify ORIGINAL RESEARCH. Could one of the 5 editors who are not trying to push a POV please provide proper sources and references to this article. I am concerned that my contributions, and their references, are consistently deleted. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 23:56, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
[reply to MeteorMaker's 22:39, 24 February comment] Hello. In terms of terrorism, Muslim and Christian can just be convenient labels to identify what distinguishes the members of the group from those they are terrorising or from other surrounding people too. When people talk about Islamic/Muslim or Christian terrorism, they're not necessarily referring to religious terrorism (a not particularly widespread or well-developed concept), which is why I would suggest that those articles are renamed as well. If the activities of groups fulfil the definitions of Zionist political violence and Jewish religious terrorism, my suggestion would be that either a brief description of them is given in both the relevant articles, or that the current article is deleted and Jewish religious terrorism is covered in a separate section of the Zionist political violence article. Since having a Zionist ideological base is not a necessary part of Jewish religious terrorism, (and it would be unnecessarily antagonistic) my opinion is that this article should not be included in the Zionist Terrorism category. -- ZScarpia ( talk) 00:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Why delete the content, when it describes political violence by Zionists, which should be incorporated in Zionist political violence 93.96.148.42 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added on 03:54, 25 February 2009 (UTC).
I am confused - when a Zionist attacks an Arab because his Zionism tells him that he should take the Arab's land - as the groups listed in this article advocate, where does Judaism come in? 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 22:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Jayjg please fix the other article that is broken, and let me try to fix this one. Better fix one, than have both broken! If this article is to be deleted, the content should be included within Zionist political violence, since it refers to political violence by zionists. Here are some sources that define Jewish terrorism- http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1043413.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/3128224/Jewish-terrorism-threatens-Israel.html http://hnn.us/articles/832.html http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world-news/israel-born-out-of-jewish-terrorism-british-parliamentarian_100143359.html http://www.milligazette.com/dailyupdate/2006/20060826_Muslim_terrorism_Jewish_Christian.htm 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 03:15, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I think Jayjg made a wise recommendation - it will give you a chance to
see what it is like on the other side, and hopefully improve this article, too, as it was modeled after that one. This article does not refers to political violence by Zionists (though you and other editors insist that it should) - that article is
Zionist political violence. This article is about religiously motivated acts of violence.
NoCal100 (
talk) 03:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Have looked at islamic terrorism - awful, should be renamed or deleted. No justification for continued existence of this non-article. The articles cited do not use "Jewish Terrorism" to describe religiously motivated terrorism, please find some that do, which are not deleted by a bot, otherwise this article is Original research. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 03:52, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I tried to move the page to
Jewish religious terrorism because 6 out of 7 editors agree to proceed while the 7th editor requires a definition of the current title, that cannot be provided. I failed because the article
Jewish religious terrorism already exists and redirects here... I don't know how to deal this technically.
If somebody could proceed to the move, we could then let the opportunity to any editor to create and develop another article related to other kinds of Jewish terrorism not linked to Judaism or to Zionist political violence.
They would certainly have to pass the AfD debate that may follow their creation but at least, we would have a debate on the issue.
Ceedjee (
talk) 18:19, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I suggest something similar to American_terrorism. Linking to Zionist Political Violence, Whatever this article is renamed as, etc 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 22:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
The edit summary in this revert appears to be based on the non-standard definition (discussed extensively above) that arbitrarily injects an invisible "religious" in "Jewish terrorism". Question to Ceedjee: is there any support in reliable sources or policy for that? MeteorMaker ( talk) 12:32, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. - GTBacchus( talk) 00:01, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Jewish terrorism → Jewish religious terrorism — This article is part of a familly of articles that have been created initially to refer to terrorism performed in the context of religions. Nevertheless Jewish is ambiguous given it can refer both a religion (Judaism) or to a group of people (Jews) and no source that would restrict the topic to religious Judaism can be provided. To prevent WP:CFORK with other articles talking about IZL, LHI or other events, it is better to precise the topic in the title. — Ceedjee ( talk) 09:27, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions."Jewish religious terrorism is terrorism committed by Jews for religious or political reasons". Surely not. Jewish religious terrorism is actually terrorism committed by Jews for reasons of religious ideology. If someone happens to be Jewish and part of, say, an animal rights groups that bombs a lab, that'd be for political reasons, but not "Jewish religious terrorism". That wording isn't tight enough. Note that terrorism is already defined to include a political motive. What about "Jewish religious terrorism is terrorism by whose motivations and aims have a predominant Jewish religious character or influence", taking the wording from the lead of Religious terrorism? Discussion of terrorism motivated by nationalism rather than religion should go into Nationalist terrorism. Fences and windows ( talk) 17:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I added sourced material on these Jewish Religious Terrorists. It was removed, citing NPOV. Yigal Amir said "I acted alone and on orders from God," http://www.rand.org/publications/randreview/issues/rr.winter98.9/methods.html, and both are cited in the context of religious terrorism. Are there any reasoned objections to covering them, and their views in the article. 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 17:26, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
This section about Sternhall was tolerated at the time, but has since fallen into irrelevancy to this article. Nothing has been publicized tying this incident with Sternhall to anyone, let alone anything Jewish or religious. From the quoted source, "Although the police have said they fear a new Jewish underground was responsible for the attack, they also said that the investigation into the attack was in the early stages and that it wasn't yet clear who the perpetrators were." The section is heresay allegations that the police deny. -- Shuki ( talk) 23:28, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
This article is now little more than a subjective list that uses citations of random opinions, and it violates WP:Terrorist in every way. dmyersturnbull ⇒ talk 23:12, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Unless there is consensus disagreement, I propose that this page archive all strings with nothing more recent than the prior 21 days.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 22:11, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
The name should change Religous violance, terrorism is an unneutral title. Kasaalan ( talk) 10:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Since it is about groups who are/were definitively labeled terrorist organizations by governments I don't think we are breaking any rules by saying it's terrorism. And then we'd also have to change every "Terrorism by 'some Group'" to be "Extremism by 'some Group'". Terrorism just isn't a neutral word; we can have all "Terrorism" articles terrorism or have them "Extremism". Right now Wikipedia has Christian and Muslim terrorism but no Jewish terrorism article. Sol Goldstone ( talk) 00:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Jim Fitzgerald: one incident that may be appropriate for this article is the 614 CE massacre in Jerusalem. It is discussed in Reckless Rites by Elliot Horowitz (pp 228-250); and in History of the Jews: from the earliest times to the present day, Volume 3 by Heinrich Graetz, pp 20-21; and Brother against brother: violence and extremism in Israeli politics by Ehud Sprinzak, p 287. I don't think it is mentioned yet in any article in this encyclopedia. -- Noleander ( talk) 18:44, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
It seems that the subject of the article has been redefined each time it was renamed. Currently, it does not make a lot of sense, and not all inter-wiki links are appropriate. Term terrorism in its modern meaning cannot be applied retroactively to describe events that took place hundreds or thousands of years ago. This clearly violates NPOV. Of course, religious violence can be put in historical perspective, but we already have Violence in Judaism and can move appropriate parts there.
Also, Jewish Defense League was not a religious organization in any sense. It clearly does not belong here. It has been suggested before to rename the article to Neo-Zionist political violence. It would allow including organizations based on political, rather than religious affiliation. -- Vicky Ng ( talk) 23:18, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Vicky: My point was very simple: WP has articles on Christian terrorism, Islamic terrorism, etc. We cannot treat Judaism specially, so this article will exist one way or another. On your question as to whether the medieval material belongs in this article or Judaism and violence, I do not have a strong opinion. If you want to propose moving it to the latter, I would not object. -- Noleander ( talk) 04:15, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Events in this period should be moved to another article. They don't fall under terrorism. Chesdovi ( talk) 23:27, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Chesdovi: It looks like that is encyclopedic material: can you move it to another article (vs deleting entirely)? Or did you already move it? -- Noleander ( talk) 14:26, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Shuki: what is your concern about the Individuals section? There are numerous reliable sources that describe Goldstein's and Amir's motivations as religious in nature. -- Noleander ( talk) 18:36, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
What arises from this is that the acts of the accused -- especially the ludicrous attempt to argue that a difference exists between wounding Rabin, as Prime Minister, and wounding him as a person -- are a crass attempt, the fruit of a distorted thought, which is designed to sanction the murder as a religious commandment or a moral mission. And is there nothing more blasphemous than this act, in which the accused tried to find within the Torah grounds -- which do not exist -- to justify this terrible act.
No it isn't, that is called SYNTH. Terrorists murder. Amir, a religious Jew convicted of murder = Amir is a Jewish religious terrorist? If you want to add a line to the Amir article saying that some call him a terrorist, try there first. But don't add him here as an example of terrorist when the vast majority of thousands on thousands of mentions refer to him as an assasin or murderer, and a couple as a terrorist. -- Shuki ( talk) 18:38, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
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On 30 October 2010 (18:23), User:Jim Fitzgerald edited the lead section to include the passage, "The motivation for Jewish religious terrorism is typically rooted in an fanatical interpretation of the Judaic dogmas,[3] and other tenets of faith." In the article's current version, the passage now reads, "Its motivation is typically rooted in a fanatical interpretation of Judaic dogmas[4]."
The source provided is to "Democracy Isn't Easy," an article by Anne Roiphe on the Ground Zero mosque in the Jerusalem Post, from 14 September 2010.
In the entire article there is one sentence that directly mentions Jews. But since one could conceivably argue that the theme of the paragraph is Jewish extremism, let's suppose there are three sentences. These have been reproduced below:
In the first place, the lead section should not include sources of questionable reliability. Anne Roiphe appears to be a feminist writer: her academic credentials do not establish her as a reliable authority on the subject.
Secondly, being that the article is about the Ground Zero mosque and not about about Jewish religious terrorism, it is a poor choice of reference for a claim in the lead.
And thirdly, the text you inserted into the lead does not correspond to what Roiphe wrote in her article. Roiphe wrote, "Baruch Goldstein, Yigal Amir and those who encouraged them also perverted their love of God into slaughter." You, however, wrote, "The motivation for Jewish religious terrorism is typically rooted in an fanatical interpretation of the Judaic dogmas." There is no source for "typically rooted" or "fanatical interpretation of Judaic dogma." Hence the tag Template:Failed verification.
User:Jim Fitzgerald, please address these concerns by editing the text in the article, or by replying here if you prefer to defend the current version.— Biosketch ( talk) 17:05, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
The third citation in the lead is being challenged. The reference itself isn't a problem; rather a quote from the reference is required to verify that Pedahzur and Perliger themselves recognize such a concept as "Jewish religious terrorism" in their book. As the article itself acknowledges further down, Pedahzur and Perliger "tend not to distinguish between nationalist and religious Jewish terrorism." This would seem to conflict with the claim being made in the first sentence in the lead, which purports to use Pedahzur and Perliger as a source for the very definition of "Jewish religious terrorism." Failure to produce the required quotation will mean that the article is interpreting Pedahzur and Perliger in a way they did not themselves intend, possibly even misrepresenting their research, in which case it would constitute WP:OR and the citation would have to be removed.— Biosketch ( talk) 11:40, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
There are considerable WP:OR problems with the whole "List of Jewish religious terrorist organizations" section, as none of the sources cited classifies these organizations as "Jewish religious terrorist organizations." Unless editors can find sources that identify these groups specifically as "Jewish religious terrorist organizations," the claim is tantamount to WP:OR.— Biosketch ( talk) 18:18, 19 March 2011 (UTC)