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Hey, REDMAN 2019, I'd removed the COI because the editor has disclosed and said she'll stop editing directly. Is there a reason you felt it still needed a COI tag? You didn't include an edit summary with an explanation. (I notice you very seldom use edit summaries; if you go to your preferences you can turn on a reminder. Edit summaries are nearly as important as the edits themselves.) —valereee ( talk) 11:03, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
@ REDMAN 2019, Valereee, and Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Thank you, all resolved now Susy211 ( talk) 12:59, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Susy211, it's best if we move this discussion to this page. We like to keep discussions about articles all at the article talk. —valereee ( talk) 11:03, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Gråbergs Gråa Sång: hey, suggesting an amendment to the image displayed this being replace with more recent image, the replacement is not subject to copyright restrictions, would you be able to sort or perhaps another editor? Am I able to upload the image given COI editor? Happy New Year! Susy211 ( talk) 12:15, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
@ Gråbergs Gråa Sång:, Hey, suggesting an update to the article if you agree, reference Extension of contract see sources below, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9295259/Chesterfield-set-offer-highly-rated-young-manager-James-Rowe-improved-contract.html and https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/sport/football/chesterfield-manager-james-rowe-signs-new-contract-after-impressive-start-at-spireites-3153500 and another, can now add the cite for St Joseph's College that is missing /info/en/?search=St_Joseph%27s_College,_Ipswich Susy211 ( talk) 10:30, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
[[User:Joseph2302}} @ Gråbergs Gråa Sång: great:) Susy211 ( talk) 15:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Joseph2302 Care to comment more in detail? [3]. I have a hunch, but you added the thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 11:29, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't have much interest in football, so if someone wants to check if these recent edits are WP-good, feel free. I wonder because the article has been vandalized in the past. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 10:27, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
@ Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Hi, recent edits are repeat vandalism Susy211 ( talk) 23:56, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi again the disruptive editing continues and is persistent would you be able to proceed with asking for this IP to be blocked? And/or would there now be a case for protecting this page as it is relentless... Susy211 ( talk) 20:03, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Elli ( talk | contribs) 15:43, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
– Per discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#The James Rowes. Also the Aussie rules footballer at James Rowe (Australian footballer). Could be fine as is, due to a different sport. There was also discussion about potentially nominating the first one for deletion. Previous discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 136/James Rowe (football manager) as well RedPatch ( talk) 15:35, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Gråbergs Gråa Sång I've taken a look at the source supporting the assertion that there had been complaints of impropriety. It was tricky to read the whole thing (it's behind a paywall, and I don't have an account), but from what I was able to read by taking a screenshot before the paywall came down (sneaky, I know...) they don't report on such complaints as fact - they write about receiving an anonymous letter that told them about the complaints and said that something should be done. I don't think that we can include anything in a BLP based on that kind of source - unless you've read the source in full, and can assure me that it definitely supports the content that you reinstated, can I suggest that you leave it out for now? The account that was blocked was wrong to make a legal threat against you, but they may actually have been right about removing the content. Cheers Girth Summit (blether) 12:35, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
References
The article is based on and evidences an anonymous letter. I don't class this as a reliable source? So surely if it is unreliable, it should not be used at all? Immersive01 ( talk) 16:08, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Can reliable source content be found from the likes of West Ham, The FA or Rowe himself? Basing this on an anonymous letter, surely is dangerous territory? Immersive01 ( talk) 16:14, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Pinging DeCausa incase you didn't see this discussion before you edited. [9] Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 20:22, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
References
All the match stats of Rowe's tenure at Gloucester City and Chesterfield are listed on Soccerway website, including FA Trophy.
Just need to scroll back and they are listed.
Soccerway is a reliable source of information. Immersive01 ( talk) 11:25, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
A quick question: As Rowe is now suspended and Chesterfield have an interim manager, do matches played under Rowe count towards his statistics or not? The reason I ask is that on Dario Gradi's page six matches are omitted from his stats while he was absent for health reasons, and one game on Neil Warnock's page is also omitted as he was self-isolating. I know these are for health rather than disciplinary reasons but is there a consensus as to how these are taken into account or not, as Chesterfield's match yesterday has been added to Rowe's statistics despite him not taking charge. Samuel J Walker ( talk) 23:28, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Having never managed or played in the EFL, is he notable enough to have a Wikipedia article? I ask as I know players in the National League don't get articles, but I'm not sure on managers. 89.243.152.31 ( talk) 11:52, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
This source [13] ( Derbyshire Live) from today seems to be saying that the Chesterfield "thing" is the same as the one he pleaded not guilty to today. Is it a good enough source, and should we edit the article to say that? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 14:49, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
However, this source [14] does not state it like that, so I guess it's too unclear atm. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 07:45, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Noting that I made this edit [15] per a new source. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 10:44, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
@ ChrisTheDude, hi. That IP [16] [17] is back. I don't know if [18] is correct, but this [19] is not WP-good, though it may be in good faith.
86.13.234.9, if you're watching, consider WP:BLP and WP:COMMUNICATE. If you want to make WP-edits that can stick, you have to learn how to add WP:RS references correctly, this is essential. See WP:TUTORIAL on how to do that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 09:39, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
"Rowe holds a UEFA A Licence, and a Masters of Research Degree in Sports Science from Nottingham Trent University." [20]
I just removed the above, the source said nothing of the sort. Does anyone have a WP-good ref for that? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 07:41, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
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Hey, REDMAN 2019, I'd removed the COI because the editor has disclosed and said she'll stop editing directly. Is there a reason you felt it still needed a COI tag? You didn't include an edit summary with an explanation. (I notice you very seldom use edit summaries; if you go to your preferences you can turn on a reminder. Edit summaries are nearly as important as the edits themselves.) —valereee ( talk) 11:03, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
@ REDMAN 2019, Valereee, and Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Thank you, all resolved now Susy211 ( talk) 12:59, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Susy211, it's best if we move this discussion to this page. We like to keep discussions about articles all at the article talk. —valereee ( talk) 11:03, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
@ Gråbergs Gråa Sång: hey, suggesting an amendment to the image displayed this being replace with more recent image, the replacement is not subject to copyright restrictions, would you be able to sort or perhaps another editor? Am I able to upload the image given COI editor? Happy New Year! Susy211 ( talk) 12:15, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
@ Gråbergs Gråa Sång:, Hey, suggesting an update to the article if you agree, reference Extension of contract see sources below, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9295259/Chesterfield-set-offer-highly-rated-young-manager-James-Rowe-improved-contract.html and https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/sport/football/chesterfield-manager-james-rowe-signs-new-contract-after-impressive-start-at-spireites-3153500 and another, can now add the cite for St Joseph's College that is missing /info/en/?search=St_Joseph%27s_College,_Ipswich Susy211 ( talk) 10:30, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
[[User:Joseph2302}} @ Gråbergs Gråa Sång: great:) Susy211 ( talk) 15:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
Joseph2302 Care to comment more in detail? [3]. I have a hunch, but you added the thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 11:29, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't have much interest in football, so if someone wants to check if these recent edits are WP-good, feel free. I wonder because the article has been vandalized in the past. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 10:27, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
@ Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Hi, recent edits are repeat vandalism Susy211 ( talk) 23:56, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi again the disruptive editing continues and is persistent would you be able to proceed with asking for this IP to be blocked? And/or would there now be a case for protecting this page as it is relentless... Susy211 ( talk) 20:03, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Elli ( talk | contribs) 15:43, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
– Per discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#The James Rowes. Also the Aussie rules footballer at James Rowe (Australian footballer). Could be fine as is, due to a different sport. There was also discussion about potentially nominating the first one for deletion. Previous discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 136/James Rowe (football manager) as well RedPatch ( talk) 15:35, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Gråbergs Gråa Sång I've taken a look at the source supporting the assertion that there had been complaints of impropriety. It was tricky to read the whole thing (it's behind a paywall, and I don't have an account), but from what I was able to read by taking a screenshot before the paywall came down (sneaky, I know...) they don't report on such complaints as fact - they write about receiving an anonymous letter that told them about the complaints and said that something should be done. I don't think that we can include anything in a BLP based on that kind of source - unless you've read the source in full, and can assure me that it definitely supports the content that you reinstated, can I suggest that you leave it out for now? The account that was blocked was wrong to make a legal threat against you, but they may actually have been right about removing the content. Cheers Girth Summit (blether) 12:35, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
References
The article is based on and evidences an anonymous letter. I don't class this as a reliable source? So surely if it is unreliable, it should not be used at all? Immersive01 ( talk) 16:08, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Can reliable source content be found from the likes of West Ham, The FA or Rowe himself? Basing this on an anonymous letter, surely is dangerous territory? Immersive01 ( talk) 16:14, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Pinging DeCausa incase you didn't see this discussion before you edited. [9] Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 20:22, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
References
All the match stats of Rowe's tenure at Gloucester City and Chesterfield are listed on Soccerway website, including FA Trophy.
Just need to scroll back and they are listed.
Soccerway is a reliable source of information. Immersive01 ( talk) 11:25, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
A quick question: As Rowe is now suspended and Chesterfield have an interim manager, do matches played under Rowe count towards his statistics or not? The reason I ask is that on Dario Gradi's page six matches are omitted from his stats while he was absent for health reasons, and one game on Neil Warnock's page is also omitted as he was self-isolating. I know these are for health rather than disciplinary reasons but is there a consensus as to how these are taken into account or not, as Chesterfield's match yesterday has been added to Rowe's statistics despite him not taking charge. Samuel J Walker ( talk) 23:28, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Having never managed or played in the EFL, is he notable enough to have a Wikipedia article? I ask as I know players in the National League don't get articles, but I'm not sure on managers. 89.243.152.31 ( talk) 11:52, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
This source [13] ( Derbyshire Live) from today seems to be saying that the Chesterfield "thing" is the same as the one he pleaded not guilty to today. Is it a good enough source, and should we edit the article to say that? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 14:49, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
However, this source [14] does not state it like that, so I guess it's too unclear atm. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 07:45, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Noting that I made this edit [15] per a new source. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 10:44, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
@ ChrisTheDude, hi. That IP [16] [17] is back. I don't know if [18] is correct, but this [19] is not WP-good, though it may be in good faith.
86.13.234.9, if you're watching, consider WP:BLP and WP:COMMUNICATE. If you want to make WP-edits that can stick, you have to learn how to add WP:RS references correctly, this is essential. See WP:TUTORIAL on how to do that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 09:39, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
"Rowe holds a UEFA A Licence, and a Masters of Research Degree in Sports Science from Nottingham Trent University." [20]
I just removed the above, the source said nothing of the sort. Does anyone have a WP-good ref for that? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 07:41, 11 October 2023 (UTC)