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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- KenWalker | Talk 04:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
May I move this article to James MacMillan (composer)? I suggest it because "musician" is somewhat ambiguous, and while he is a fine conductor I think he is most notable as a composer. Also, I've just read WP:MUSTARD#Disambiguation. All those against speak now! I'll leave this message here for a few days to allow any objections to be raised, then I'll sort it out. -- RobertG ♬ talk 13:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the move. MUSIKVEREIN ( talk) 14:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I have no objection to Wikipedia documenting MacMillan's perceptions of attitudes to Israel. But I have two reservations about this way of doing it. Firstly, it gives them undue weight - James MacMillan is a classical composer, not a populist figure nor a statesman. And secondly, if an editor is truly writing from a neutral point of view, it should be impossible to tell from that person's edits what their viewpoint is. I think it is possible to discern 129.215.24.119's sympathies. This worries me somewhat, particularly on a WP:BLP. -- RobertG ♬ talk 10:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the "Political Views" section of this article in light of the
WP:BLP policy concerning immediate removal of an entry without discussion when an article is poorly sourced and devoid of a NPOV. As noticed by
RobertG above, the text in this section gives the clear point of view of the original author, 129.215.24.119, and is potentially libelous.
For example, when user 129.215.24.119 wrote the following, "MacMillan has attacked the cultural boycott of Israel ... and leveled accusations of antisemitism against a number of Muslim organizations which oppose Israel[7]," one can see clearly the POV of the author through his language in using the words "attacked," and "leveled." Moreover, the Internet publications that are sourced discuss Mr. MacMillan's feelings concerning the administration of one international arts organization and not the politically controversial issue of a "cultural boycott of Israel" as a whole.
The NPOV and sourcing in this section are highly questionable within an article regarding a living person and I have removed it for this reason. Purellification ( talk) 16:23, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
(i) User:GuillaumeTell has mentioned that this page could (should?) be simply titled James MacMillan - after all that page is merely a redirect to here. I see his point. Any thoughts? almost- instinct 19:00, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
(ii) Clemency (opera) is currently a redlink; I'm about to put together the basic info from online sources. Anyone with any further material? almost- instinct 19:00, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to James MacMillan. Favonian ( talk) 17:43, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
James MacMillan (composer) → James MacMillan – My reason: James MacMillan at the moment is just a redirect to this page - no need for the qualifying "(composer)" bit of the name almost- instinct 17:19, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Why does this article not have an infobox? It's standard practice for people. Martinevans123 ( talk) 21:26, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Biographical infoboxes [edit]
Main page: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes § Using infoboxes in articles The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article. Whether to include an infobox, which infobox to include, and which parts of the infobox to use, is determined through discussion and consensus among the editors at each individual article.
Most members of this project think that Infoboxes are seldom useful additions to articles for many reasons, including:
- They often give trivia undue emphasis and prominence at the head of the article
- They tend to become redundant (by duplicating the lead)
- They can, conversely, become over-complex and thus vague, confused, or misleading, often compounding errors found elsewhere in the article, e.g. by confusing style and genre, setting forth haphazard lists of individual works, or highlighting the subject's trivial secondary or non-musical occupations.
They think it is normally best, therefore, to avoid infoboxes altogether for classical musicians, and prefer to add an infobox to an article only following consensus for that inclusion on the article's talk page. Particular care should be taken with featured articles as these have been carefully crafted according to clear consensus on their talkpages. (See the Request for Comment about composers' infoboxes and earlier infobox debates.)
I have commenced a tidy-up of the Bibliography section using cite templates. Capitalization and punctuation follow standard cataloguing rules in AACR2 and RDA, as much as Wikipedia templates allow it. ISBNs and other persistent identifiers, where available, are commented out, but still available for reference. This is a work in progress; feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 ( talk) 06:50, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
MacMillan's biography mentions "his early work with Peter Maxwell Davies," but Maxwell Davies is not mentioned in the current version of this article. Can information about this be added to this article? 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 02:34, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Any thoughts on this edit? I reverted and WBritten has reverted my revert, citing MOS:BIO. The relevant section there says "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability" (my emphasis). I'd maintain that MacMillan's Catholicism (or at least his religiosity) is notable, as it is a significant influence on his music. Dave.Dunford ( talk) 13:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
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The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- KenWalker | Talk 04:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
May I move this article to James MacMillan (composer)? I suggest it because "musician" is somewhat ambiguous, and while he is a fine conductor I think he is most notable as a composer. Also, I've just read WP:MUSTARD#Disambiguation. All those against speak now! I'll leave this message here for a few days to allow any objections to be raised, then I'll sort it out. -- RobertG ♬ talk 13:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the move. MUSIKVEREIN ( talk) 14:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I have no objection to Wikipedia documenting MacMillan's perceptions of attitudes to Israel. But I have two reservations about this way of doing it. Firstly, it gives them undue weight - James MacMillan is a classical composer, not a populist figure nor a statesman. And secondly, if an editor is truly writing from a neutral point of view, it should be impossible to tell from that person's edits what their viewpoint is. I think it is possible to discern 129.215.24.119's sympathies. This worries me somewhat, particularly on a WP:BLP. -- RobertG ♬ talk 10:56, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I have removed the "Political Views" section of this article in light of the
WP:BLP policy concerning immediate removal of an entry without discussion when an article is poorly sourced and devoid of a NPOV. As noticed by
RobertG above, the text in this section gives the clear point of view of the original author, 129.215.24.119, and is potentially libelous.
For example, when user 129.215.24.119 wrote the following, "MacMillan has attacked the cultural boycott of Israel ... and leveled accusations of antisemitism against a number of Muslim organizations which oppose Israel[7]," one can see clearly the POV of the author through his language in using the words "attacked," and "leveled." Moreover, the Internet publications that are sourced discuss Mr. MacMillan's feelings concerning the administration of one international arts organization and not the politically controversial issue of a "cultural boycott of Israel" as a whole.
The NPOV and sourcing in this section are highly questionable within an article regarding a living person and I have removed it for this reason. Purellification ( talk) 16:23, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
(i) User:GuillaumeTell has mentioned that this page could (should?) be simply titled James MacMillan - after all that page is merely a redirect to here. I see his point. Any thoughts? almost- instinct 19:00, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
(ii) Clemency (opera) is currently a redlink; I'm about to put together the basic info from online sources. Anyone with any further material? almost- instinct 19:00, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved to James MacMillan. Favonian ( talk) 17:43, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
James MacMillan (composer) → James MacMillan – My reason: James MacMillan at the moment is just a redirect to this page - no need for the qualifying "(composer)" bit of the name almost- instinct 17:19, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
Why does this article not have an infobox? It's standard practice for people. Martinevans123 ( talk) 21:26, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
Biographical infoboxes [edit]
Main page: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes § Using infoboxes in articles The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article. Whether to include an infobox, which infobox to include, and which parts of the infobox to use, is determined through discussion and consensus among the editors at each individual article.
Most members of this project think that Infoboxes are seldom useful additions to articles for many reasons, including:
- They often give trivia undue emphasis and prominence at the head of the article
- They tend to become redundant (by duplicating the lead)
- They can, conversely, become over-complex and thus vague, confused, or misleading, often compounding errors found elsewhere in the article, e.g. by confusing style and genre, setting forth haphazard lists of individual works, or highlighting the subject's trivial secondary or non-musical occupations.
They think it is normally best, therefore, to avoid infoboxes altogether for classical musicians, and prefer to add an infobox to an article only following consensus for that inclusion on the article's talk page. Particular care should be taken with featured articles as these have been carefully crafted according to clear consensus on their talkpages. (See the Request for Comment about composers' infoboxes and earlier infobox debates.)
I have commenced a tidy-up of the Bibliography section using cite templates. Capitalization and punctuation follow standard cataloguing rules in AACR2 and RDA, as much as Wikipedia templates allow it. ISBNs and other persistent identifiers, where available, are commented out, but still available for reference. This is a work in progress; feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 ( talk) 06:50, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
MacMillan's biography mentions "his early work with Peter Maxwell Davies," but Maxwell Davies is not mentioned in the current version of this article. Can information about this be added to this article? 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 02:34, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Any thoughts on this edit? I reverted and WBritten has reverted my revert, citing MOS:BIO. The relevant section there says "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability" (my emphasis). I'd maintain that MacMillan's Catholicism (or at least his religiosity) is notable, as it is a significant influence on his music. Dave.Dunford ( talk) 13:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC)