A fact from James Fulton Zimmerman appeared on Wikipedia's
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Did you know... that James Fulton Zimmerman proved to be the first historian to examine U.S. State Department records on the controversial
impressment that occurred just before the
War of 1812 was declared?
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Gwillhickers: I started to review this nomination, and still want to. But I think you need to work on the wording of the first half of the hook and where it's mentioned in the article. It's too close to the exact wording of the source: "He was the first historian to study U.S. State Department records on impressment ... " Let me know, and I'll get back to this.
— Maile (
talk)
18:21, 20 May 2021 (UTC)reply
The phrase in question in the source reads: was the first historian to study U.S. State Department records. This is a general statement, however, will this variation work?:
ALT1 hook is 190 characters, stated in the article, and sourced
Images
No image used with hook
Copyvio check
Phrases flagged on Dup Detector and Earwig's tool flags are common phrases that are unavoidable. I otherwise reworded two sentences that were too close to the source wording. However, it looks OK now.
Hi
Gwillhickers I was going to promote this hook, but I was confused by the following sentence in the article, "Zimmerman's presidency was formally celebrated and was attended by New Mexico Governor Richard C. Dillon along with public school officials from across the state." Unfortunately, I do not have access to the source so I cannot fix it myself. How can someone attend Zimmerman's presidency? Do you mean that his inauguration was attended by these people? I added a clarification tag to the sentence. Please Let me know if you have any questions.
Z1720 (
talk)
20:42, 21 May 2021 (UTC)reply
That was a really good catch. I do seem to have access to some of the sourcing, but a search brings up nothing like the above wording. One of the sources is a book I do not have access to.
— Maile (
talk)
11:25, 22 May 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Z1720: There does not seem to have been any editing on the article since the above question was raised about celebrating his presidency. I don't have access to whatever this came out of, but I would suggest that installing a university president is a ceremony usually referred to as an
Investiture. Could that be what you meant instead of "presidency"?
— Maile (
talk)
18:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)reply
I don't have access to the source either. I assume its the investiture, but I can't verify that. Can we remove the sentences from the article, post them on the talk page to hopefully be verified in the future, and run the ALT1 hook?
Z1720 (
talk)
21:22, 27 May 2021 (UTC)reply
A fact from James Fulton Zimmerman appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 13 June 2021 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that James Fulton Zimmerman proved to be the first historian to examine U.S. State Department records on the controversial
impressment that occurred just before the
War of 1812 was declared?
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Higher education, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
higher education,
universities, and
colleges on Wikipedia. Please visit the project page to join the
discussion, and see the project's
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This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to
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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
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@
Gwillhickers: I started to review this nomination, and still want to. But I think you need to work on the wording of the first half of the hook and where it's mentioned in the article. It's too close to the exact wording of the source: "He was the first historian to study U.S. State Department records on impressment ... " Let me know, and I'll get back to this.
— Maile (
talk)
18:21, 20 May 2021 (UTC)reply
The phrase in question in the source reads: was the first historian to study U.S. State Department records. This is a general statement, however, will this variation work?:
ALT1 hook is 190 characters, stated in the article, and sourced
Images
No image used with hook
Copyvio check
Phrases flagged on Dup Detector and Earwig's tool flags are common phrases that are unavoidable. I otherwise reworded two sentences that were too close to the source wording. However, it looks OK now.
Hi
Gwillhickers I was going to promote this hook, but I was confused by the following sentence in the article, "Zimmerman's presidency was formally celebrated and was attended by New Mexico Governor Richard C. Dillon along with public school officials from across the state." Unfortunately, I do not have access to the source so I cannot fix it myself. How can someone attend Zimmerman's presidency? Do you mean that his inauguration was attended by these people? I added a clarification tag to the sentence. Please Let me know if you have any questions.
Z1720 (
talk)
20:42, 21 May 2021 (UTC)reply
That was a really good catch. I do seem to have access to some of the sourcing, but a search brings up nothing like the above wording. One of the sources is a book I do not have access to.
— Maile (
talk)
11:25, 22 May 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Z1720: There does not seem to have been any editing on the article since the above question was raised about celebrating his presidency. I don't have access to whatever this came out of, but I would suggest that installing a university president is a ceremony usually referred to as an
Investiture. Could that be what you meant instead of "presidency"?
— Maile (
talk)
18:45, 27 May 2021 (UTC)reply
I don't have access to the source either. I assume its the investiture, but I can't verify that. Can we remove the sentences from the article, post them on the talk page to hopefully be verified in the future, and run the ALT1 hook?
Z1720 (
talk)
21:22, 27 May 2021 (UTC)reply