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His parents were both Iranians. Her father was ethnic Azeri however there is no information about her mother. Jalil was an Iranian-born Azerbaijani and saw himself as an Iranian as well as Azerbaijani. This is based on an article written by another Iranian Azeri satirist. He had huge impact on Iranian constitutional revolution and his magazine was popular throughout the country. Iranian cartoon art also emerged after him. Sangak 16:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
first off, there is no evidence of him being "Iranian-Azerbaijani", although that would hardly surprize anyone, as population migrated north and south of Araxes all the time. However, he was born in Naxcivan, educated in Georgia, working in Erivan (today's capital of Armenia) and died in Baku, thus being fully Azerbaijani without any direct personal links to Iran. This is attested not only by Great Soviet Encyclopedia (in Russian) [1], but also Great Encyclopedic Dictionary (in Russian) [2], and Russian RIA news agency in 2005 [3] and Interfax news agency in 2007, which writes about the celebrations in Naxcivan of his birthday: [4]
Also, he was an active campaigner for changing the Azerbaijani alphabet from Arabic to Latin: "Дж. Мамедкулизаде был избран кандидатом в члены АзЦИК, являлся активным членом Комитета нового алфавита, в составе правительственной делегации ездил по республикам с целью распространения латинизированного алфавита." [5] (a nice story with scans of magazine covers is here: [6]) Another interesting piece of info is that he translated L.N.Tolstoy into Azerbaijani and in general was very fond of him [7].
Here it mentions more about the House-Museum of Mamedguluzadeh in Baku: [8]. Finally, here a prof. from Naxcivan analyzes the impact of Mamedguluzade's role as editor and his journal, Molla Nasredin, as awakening the Turkic world. He also mentions that the special decree of the President of Azerbaijan on celebrating the 100th anniversary of the journal [9].
Meanwhile, that he published some Iranian-specific articles, such as in 1906, is not surprizing -- everyone in the region was energized by the revolution in Iran, by Bagirkhan, Sattarkhan, etc.
Also, the etnonym 'Azerbaijani' has been used since the 19th century -- Russian Orientalist Berzhe used it already in 1861, for example. The Russian encyclopedia (started publication in 1890), Brokgauz and Efron, also uses that name, as do British scholars of the time. Although all this is not really dependent on when did the etnonym first began to be used -- it's obvious to everyone that the Turks of Caucasus and North Iran, who have been misnamed as "Tatars" by Russians from 1828, are the Azerbaijanis, and can be called as such long before 1918 (the proclamation of ADR's independence). Also, consider this: since "Iran", as the name for the country that was commonly known as Persia to outsiders and officially as dowlat-e Safawi/Afshar/Qajar/Pehlevi, was officially adopted only in 1935 by Shah Pahlavi. Thus, "Iran" and "Iranian", by the same token as "Azerbaijani" and "Azerbaijan", cannot be used to describe anyone/anything from "Persia" from before 1935. Meanwhile, calling an ethnically non-Persian as "Persia" is imprecise. -- AdilBaguirov 19:42, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
The above facts and links should be made part of the article. Meanwhile, there are several references to some "Nabavi", yet no link to it and no real citation. Either make it in comformity with academic and Wiki encyclopedic standards, or all those references and claims should be removed. -- AdilBaguirov 19:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Nabavi is an ethnic Persian writer who wrote in Persian -- and even though its on BBC Persian, that's still a Persian source. There is also BBC Azerbaijani, but no one is quoting it here. There is no independent evidence for the claims of Nabavi. -- AdilBaguirov 19:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Sangak Talk 19:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Sangak Talk 09:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
What is all the fuss about? His family was from Iran, which means he was of Iranian descent, and obviously that should be stated in the article. Regarding the fact that he referred to himself as an Iranian, I don't see why we should not trust the BBC. The BBC is, as far as I know, a reputable source by wikipedia standards and is used for many articles. If anybody disagrees they should ask an administrator to look into the matter. Shervink 10:58, 14 March 2007 (UTC)shervink
Mammadguluzade was Azerbaijani -- all sources make that clear. Even if his grandparents would be from Khoy -- notice "even if" -- that still leaves him of Azerbaijani origin, descent, heritage and birth. Hence, saying TWICE that he is of "Iranian descent" and his family is from "Iran" whilst overlooking and not stating "Azeri/Azerbaijan/Azerbaijani" is not correct. My version states everything exactly the way they were written. -- adil 05:07, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Jalil was not and could not have been of Iranian origin, as he was born in Azerbaijan, not Iran, and Iranian is not an ethnicity. But more important for Wikipedia, all verifiable sources say he was Azerbaijani. All those links should not be removed -- is there any problem with them? -- adil 05:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't know where you've made up this story but his works are well documented and he considered himsef as Azerbaijani not Iranian Aygunnaghiyeva ( talk) 11:30, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Well, as much as i see it's an article about Jalil Mammadguluzadeh and you are the one who writes fake information, so here is not your place not mine, if you want to talk about any other article write there. Aygunnaghiyeva ( talk) 11:46, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
In the previous edit to the article, one of the most prominent pieces of information about Mammadguluzadeh's life was his distinction of being one of the first Azerbaijani feminists, and that he played a major role in founding an (unnamed) Azerbaijani women's magazine. This claim was cited from an Azerbaijani-language article in Azadlıq Radiosu. My ability to read Azerbaijani is very limited (I can recognize words due to a basic familiarity with Turkish); looking over the article, it does assert that Mammadguluzadeh played a role in founding the women's magazine İşıq. A page for this magazine only exists in Azeri Wikipedia and appears to make no mention of Mammadguluzadeh or his more famous satirical magazine Molla Nasradin.
Mammadguluzadeh was married to a notable Azeri feminist activist, so it's not far-fetched to believe that he was also a feminist. I'm leaving the claim in with its current citation (as well as duplicating it in the article body, as opposed to having it only in the lead), but it would be nice to back up this claim with better sources. As it stands, it seems a little weird to brand someone (and especially a man) as "one of the first feminists in Azerbaijan" with such circumstantial evidence Rosguill ( talk) 18:46, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
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His parents were both Iranians. Her father was ethnic Azeri however there is no information about her mother. Jalil was an Iranian-born Azerbaijani and saw himself as an Iranian as well as Azerbaijani. This is based on an article written by another Iranian Azeri satirist. He had huge impact on Iranian constitutional revolution and his magazine was popular throughout the country. Iranian cartoon art also emerged after him. Sangak 16:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
first off, there is no evidence of him being "Iranian-Azerbaijani", although that would hardly surprize anyone, as population migrated north and south of Araxes all the time. However, he was born in Naxcivan, educated in Georgia, working in Erivan (today's capital of Armenia) and died in Baku, thus being fully Azerbaijani without any direct personal links to Iran. This is attested not only by Great Soviet Encyclopedia (in Russian) [1], but also Great Encyclopedic Dictionary (in Russian) [2], and Russian RIA news agency in 2005 [3] and Interfax news agency in 2007, which writes about the celebrations in Naxcivan of his birthday: [4]
Also, he was an active campaigner for changing the Azerbaijani alphabet from Arabic to Latin: "Дж. Мамедкулизаде был избран кандидатом в члены АзЦИК, являлся активным членом Комитета нового алфавита, в составе правительственной делегации ездил по республикам с целью распространения латинизированного алфавита." [5] (a nice story with scans of magazine covers is here: [6]) Another interesting piece of info is that he translated L.N.Tolstoy into Azerbaijani and in general was very fond of him [7].
Here it mentions more about the House-Museum of Mamedguluzadeh in Baku: [8]. Finally, here a prof. from Naxcivan analyzes the impact of Mamedguluzade's role as editor and his journal, Molla Nasredin, as awakening the Turkic world. He also mentions that the special decree of the President of Azerbaijan on celebrating the 100th anniversary of the journal [9].
Meanwhile, that he published some Iranian-specific articles, such as in 1906, is not surprizing -- everyone in the region was energized by the revolution in Iran, by Bagirkhan, Sattarkhan, etc.
Also, the etnonym 'Azerbaijani' has been used since the 19th century -- Russian Orientalist Berzhe used it already in 1861, for example. The Russian encyclopedia (started publication in 1890), Brokgauz and Efron, also uses that name, as do British scholars of the time. Although all this is not really dependent on when did the etnonym first began to be used -- it's obvious to everyone that the Turks of Caucasus and North Iran, who have been misnamed as "Tatars" by Russians from 1828, are the Azerbaijanis, and can be called as such long before 1918 (the proclamation of ADR's independence). Also, consider this: since "Iran", as the name for the country that was commonly known as Persia to outsiders and officially as dowlat-e Safawi/Afshar/Qajar/Pehlevi, was officially adopted only in 1935 by Shah Pahlavi. Thus, "Iran" and "Iranian", by the same token as "Azerbaijani" and "Azerbaijan", cannot be used to describe anyone/anything from "Persia" from before 1935. Meanwhile, calling an ethnically non-Persian as "Persia" is imprecise. -- AdilBaguirov 19:42, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
The above facts and links should be made part of the article. Meanwhile, there are several references to some "Nabavi", yet no link to it and no real citation. Either make it in comformity with academic and Wiki encyclopedic standards, or all those references and claims should be removed. -- AdilBaguirov 19:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Nabavi is an ethnic Persian writer who wrote in Persian -- and even though its on BBC Persian, that's still a Persian source. There is also BBC Azerbaijani, but no one is quoting it here. There is no independent evidence for the claims of Nabavi. -- AdilBaguirov 19:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Sangak Talk 19:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Sangak Talk 09:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
What is all the fuss about? His family was from Iran, which means he was of Iranian descent, and obviously that should be stated in the article. Regarding the fact that he referred to himself as an Iranian, I don't see why we should not trust the BBC. The BBC is, as far as I know, a reputable source by wikipedia standards and is used for many articles. If anybody disagrees they should ask an administrator to look into the matter. Shervink 10:58, 14 March 2007 (UTC)shervink
Mammadguluzade was Azerbaijani -- all sources make that clear. Even if his grandparents would be from Khoy -- notice "even if" -- that still leaves him of Azerbaijani origin, descent, heritage and birth. Hence, saying TWICE that he is of "Iranian descent" and his family is from "Iran" whilst overlooking and not stating "Azeri/Azerbaijan/Azerbaijani" is not correct. My version states everything exactly the way they were written. -- adil 05:07, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Jalil was not and could not have been of Iranian origin, as he was born in Azerbaijan, not Iran, and Iranian is not an ethnicity. But more important for Wikipedia, all verifiable sources say he was Azerbaijani. All those links should not be removed -- is there any problem with them? -- adil 05:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't know where you've made up this story but his works are well documented and he considered himsef as Azerbaijani not Iranian Aygunnaghiyeva ( talk) 11:30, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Well, as much as i see it's an article about Jalil Mammadguluzadeh and you are the one who writes fake information, so here is not your place not mine, if you want to talk about any other article write there. Aygunnaghiyeva ( talk) 11:46, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
In the previous edit to the article, one of the most prominent pieces of information about Mammadguluzadeh's life was his distinction of being one of the first Azerbaijani feminists, and that he played a major role in founding an (unnamed) Azerbaijani women's magazine. This claim was cited from an Azerbaijani-language article in Azadlıq Radiosu. My ability to read Azerbaijani is very limited (I can recognize words due to a basic familiarity with Turkish); looking over the article, it does assert that Mammadguluzadeh played a role in founding the women's magazine İşıq. A page for this magazine only exists in Azeri Wikipedia and appears to make no mention of Mammadguluzadeh or his more famous satirical magazine Molla Nasradin.
Mammadguluzadeh was married to a notable Azeri feminist activist, so it's not far-fetched to believe that he was also a feminist. I'm leaving the claim in with its current citation (as well as duplicating it in the article body, as opposed to having it only in the lead), but it would be nice to back up this claim with better sources. As it stands, it seems a little weird to brand someone (and especially a man) as "one of the first feminists in Azerbaijan" with such circumstantial evidence Rosguill ( talk) 18:46, 25 June 2018 (UTC)