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Was it the Prime Minister or a different person also named Winston Churchill who Novello slept with? Apparently, there was a different person with that name, and a few sources say it was him and not Sir Winston.
Someone wrote this:
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Ewan MacColl's song Ivor contrasts the supposedly favourable treatment of Novello with the harsher experience of ordinary prisoners." Is this true? What is the source? --
Ssilvers (
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20:13, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I put the sentence in the Personal section. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 20:04, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
What is meant by "he was taken up by ... Marsh". A mentoring relationship, or something else? -- Ssilvers ( talk) 22:06, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
I tried to clarify this. See what you think. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 21:34, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
LOL! -- Ssilvers ( talk) 21:21, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
There's a Wetherspoons pub on Cowbridge Road in Cardiff named the Ivor Davies, which uses a picture of him for its sign. It seems trivial but a similar note is made about a pub in the article about Larry Grayson. DewiMR ( talk) 20:12, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
If there's a newspaper article about it, you can mention it. See WP:V. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 00:57, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
The dates given for Bobbie Andrews on this page (1916-1951) do not match the dates on the Robert (Bobbie) Andrews page of 1895-1976. I've never edited a Wikipedia page so could someone else please look into this and sdo any changes they feel appropriate. Thanks 2.103.103.170 ( talk) 20:33, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, must pay more attention in future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.102.71.208 ( talk) 17:20, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Was his mother Italian? Valetude ( talk) 09:16, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi, In the opening paragraph it states 'The lodger' as being 1927, later in the article it says 1926. It may well be that both are right, but refer to different things? PeterM88 ( talk) 17:33, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm surprised that the address of Novello's birthplace, at "Llywn yr Eos", Cowbridge Road East, is considered "too specific for encyclopedia". I'd have thought that was a basic fact. After all, Cardiff is quite a large city, not a tiny village, with many different areas and districts. If we compare with, for example, Dylan Thomas, Arthur Machen, Idris Davies or Harry Secombe, perhaps the address is best added to the picture caption. I'd agree that a source would be useful (although I don't see one in those other articles). At the moment the source for his birth in Cardiff is given by the ODNB biog, which seems to be a subscription site and so hidden. Martinevans123 ( talk) 07:20, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Editor objection seems to be that including Novello's place of birth is unnecessary trivia. I was unable to find a relevant MOS guideline. However, several Featured articles include such detail in the body text i.e. Joseph Barbera, Charles Darwin, Lady Gregory Augusta, Ian Fleming, Edgar Allan Poe etc., so noting the subject's full place of birth satisfies the FA criteria. The house in which Novello was born is notable enough to have a blue plaque, to have been noted by several reliable sources, and seems to me notable enough to be included in his biography. Are there any other objections to including the full address? Daicaregos ( talk) 08:02, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Why is "He was born into a musical family, and his first successes were as a songwriter" preferable to "Born into a musical family, his first successes were as a songwriter"? Which syntax is actually "simpler" here? Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:41, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
[Note to anyone joining the discussion: the following concerns the reference to Novello's nationality in the Lead sentence, and whether or not to link it as follows: Welsh peopleWelsh. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 15:30, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
Also, MOS:OVERLINK says not to link common English words like Welsh or Wales. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 20:52, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Have to agree with Martinevans123 and FruitMonkey here. Welsh or Wales should be linked on this article. The best place to do so is on its first use i.e. "Ivor Novello... was a Welsh composer and actor...". Daicaregos ( talk)
*Who doesn't know where Wales is? And if they don't, why don't they either go back to grade school or type five characters into the search box at the top, which would take all of five seconds?
*The lead is already heaving with (more important, useful) links, and there's a general principle of avoiding unnecessary dilution of them.
*What useful information would the reader gain by diverting to the article on "Welsh people" or "Wales"? These articles are very very broad: "It is bordered by England to the east, the Irish Sea to the north and west, and the Bristol Channel to the south. It had a population in 2011 of 3,063,456 and has a total area of 20,779 km2 (8,023 sq mi). Wales has over 1,680 miles (2,700 km) of coastline and is largely mountainous, with its higher peaks in the north and central areas, including ...". Really? We want to know about Ivor Novello, please. Linking is most useful to readers when it's narrowly focused in ways that are more relevant to the anchor article. Here's a better idea: link to Music of Wales down the bottom under "See also"; don't pipe it to "Wales", or you'll lose 90% of your clicks because they'll think it's useless. There's even "Music of Cardiff", but I believe the former would be preferable.
*His place of birth, "Cardiff", is linked in the first main section; that's a little easier to justify. I doubt that the current linking of "Glamorgan" is justified. Is there some extra cultural significance to Glamorgan? Better to focus readers on the blue "Cardiff" alone, I'd say. From there, they can link to Glamorgan if they really feel the urge. Tony (talk) 15:46, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
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Was it the Prime Minister or a different person also named Winston Churchill who Novello slept with? Apparently, there was a different person with that name, and a few sources say it was him and not Sir Winston.
Someone wrote this:
"
Ewan MacColl's song Ivor contrasts the supposedly favourable treatment of Novello with the harsher experience of ordinary prisoners." Is this true? What is the source? --
Ssilvers (
talk)
20:13, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I put the sentence in the Personal section. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 20:04, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
What is meant by "he was taken up by ... Marsh". A mentoring relationship, or something else? -- Ssilvers ( talk) 22:06, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
I tried to clarify this. See what you think. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 21:34, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
LOL! -- Ssilvers ( talk) 21:21, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
There's a Wetherspoons pub on Cowbridge Road in Cardiff named the Ivor Davies, which uses a picture of him for its sign. It seems trivial but a similar note is made about a pub in the article about Larry Grayson. DewiMR ( talk) 20:12, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
If there's a newspaper article about it, you can mention it. See WP:V. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 00:57, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
The dates given for Bobbie Andrews on this page (1916-1951) do not match the dates on the Robert (Bobbie) Andrews page of 1895-1976. I've never edited a Wikipedia page so could someone else please look into this and sdo any changes they feel appropriate. Thanks 2.103.103.170 ( talk) 20:33, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, must pay more attention in future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.102.71.208 ( talk) 17:20, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Was his mother Italian? Valetude ( talk) 09:16, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi, In the opening paragraph it states 'The lodger' as being 1927, later in the article it says 1926. It may well be that both are right, but refer to different things? PeterM88 ( talk) 17:33, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm surprised that the address of Novello's birthplace, at "Llywn yr Eos", Cowbridge Road East, is considered "too specific for encyclopedia". I'd have thought that was a basic fact. After all, Cardiff is quite a large city, not a tiny village, with many different areas and districts. If we compare with, for example, Dylan Thomas, Arthur Machen, Idris Davies or Harry Secombe, perhaps the address is best added to the picture caption. I'd agree that a source would be useful (although I don't see one in those other articles). At the moment the source for his birth in Cardiff is given by the ODNB biog, which seems to be a subscription site and so hidden. Martinevans123 ( talk) 07:20, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Editor objection seems to be that including Novello's place of birth is unnecessary trivia. I was unable to find a relevant MOS guideline. However, several Featured articles include such detail in the body text i.e. Joseph Barbera, Charles Darwin, Lady Gregory Augusta, Ian Fleming, Edgar Allan Poe etc., so noting the subject's full place of birth satisfies the FA criteria. The house in which Novello was born is notable enough to have a blue plaque, to have been noted by several reliable sources, and seems to me notable enough to be included in his biography. Are there any other objections to including the full address? Daicaregos ( talk) 08:02, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Why is "He was born into a musical family, and his first successes were as a songwriter" preferable to "Born into a musical family, his first successes were as a songwriter"? Which syntax is actually "simpler" here? Thanks. Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:41, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
[Note to anyone joining the discussion: the following concerns the reference to Novello's nationality in the Lead sentence, and whether or not to link it as follows: Welsh peopleWelsh. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 15:30, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
Also, MOS:OVERLINK says not to link common English words like Welsh or Wales. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 20:52, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Have to agree with Martinevans123 and FruitMonkey here. Welsh or Wales should be linked on this article. The best place to do so is on its first use i.e. "Ivor Novello... was a Welsh composer and actor...". Daicaregos ( talk)
*Who doesn't know where Wales is? And if they don't, why don't they either go back to grade school or type five characters into the search box at the top, which would take all of five seconds?
*The lead is already heaving with (more important, useful) links, and there's a general principle of avoiding unnecessary dilution of them.
*What useful information would the reader gain by diverting to the article on "Welsh people" or "Wales"? These articles are very very broad: "It is bordered by England to the east, the Irish Sea to the north and west, and the Bristol Channel to the south. It had a population in 2011 of 3,063,456 and has a total area of 20,779 km2 (8,023 sq mi). Wales has over 1,680 miles (2,700 km) of coastline and is largely mountainous, with its higher peaks in the north and central areas, including ...". Really? We want to know about Ivor Novello, please. Linking is most useful to readers when it's narrowly focused in ways that are more relevant to the anchor article. Here's a better idea: link to Music of Wales down the bottom under "See also"; don't pipe it to "Wales", or you'll lose 90% of your clicks because they'll think it's useless. There's even "Music of Cardiff", but I believe the former would be preferable.
*His place of birth, "Cardiff", is linked in the first main section; that's a little easier to justify. I doubt that the current linking of "Glamorgan" is justified. Is there some extra cultural significance to Glamorgan? Better to focus readers on the blue "Cardiff" alone, I'd say. From there, they can link to Glamorgan if they really feel the urge. Tony (talk) 15:46, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
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