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I would like if you people can stop this hijacking of this page and leave it to more knowledgeable persons. There were never any such records of Italian concubinage, and mixed race Italian-Somali persons are exceedingly rare and concerning Somali society, they don't exist. These are individual cases, many of them having nothing to do with colonial times. This is also backed up by the strict Islamic and cultural traditions of Somali society, Italians couldn't even punish Somalis since they knew it would cause serious backlash and start clashes on part of the Somalis, so can you think how bad the situation would be if it involved Somali women?. I have also seen the link posted as reference for the "concubinage" and it speaks nothing of that sort, nor anything about mixed-race Somali-Italians, only Eritrean-Italians. You should also be aware that Catholicism, Christianity, and any non-Sunni Islamic creed is nonexistent in Somalia, the country is exceedingly puritanical and any non-Muslim could expect to be in danger for their life.
"Somalians" goes to show how ignorant you people are concerning Somalia and Somalis, please go edit elsewhere and leave this page be without false information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lathan11 ( talk • contribs) 21:31, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
I appreciate your improvements, Middayexpress. I have done some research on books about the Italian Somalians and I hope you can find there what you need.
About the Catholicism in Somalia, here it is the exact words in the Tripodi book:Il vescovo di Mogadiscio, don Franco Filippini, dichiarava nel 1940 che vi erano circa 40.000 Somali cattolici, frutto del lavoro missionario specialmente nelle aree agricole del Giuba e dell'Uebi Scebeli (my translation: the Bishop of Mogadischu, Franco Filippini, stated in 1940 that there were nearly 40,000 native Somalians of catholic faith, consequence of the missions mainly in the agricultural areas of the rivers Juba and Schebelle). If we add that there were 22,000 Italians in Somalia in that year and the aproximate population of Italian Somalia was calculated in 750,000 (there were no exact census), we have to agree to what writes Tripodi: 62,000 catholics in Italian Somalia (to whom we have to add the temporary Italian troops stationed in forts), or nearly 10% of the total population of 750,000. Of course there are other calculations of the 1940 population of Italian Somalia without the Ogaden, but most scholars agree in the 750,000 - 800,000 range.
I have written that 'The Italian Embassy calculated in 1993 that most Italian colonists used to have illegitimate children with Somali women and this fact has created a group of Italian Somalians with Italian roots, that now amount to nearly 50,000 descendants in all Somalia', because in page 38 Paolo Tripodi wrote the following:L'ambasciatore italiano considerava l'uso del concubinato un serio problema durante gli anni della colonia. Un problema che aveva generato -secondo lui- quasi 50.000 Somali con almeno un nonno o bisnonno italiano negli anni novanta. (my translation: the Italian ambassador believed that the wide practice of concubinage during the colonial years had created the problem that nearly 50,000 Somalians had at least one grandfather or a greatgrandfather Italian during the nineties). To have an idea of something similar, please read this ( http://www.camera.it/_dati/leg13/lavori/stampati/sk6000/relazion/5634.htm ) about 15,500 descendants of Italians in Eritrea (I hope you understand Italian) and the related problems for the Italian Parliament.
Sincerely.-- DuilioM ( talk) 07:12, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Again, Middayexpress, another OR: where do you get the information that inflating figures was a very common practice during Italy's Fascist era? Where and what are your sources? Please, do not repeat the same contemporary moslem POVs that the Catholicism never managed to penetrate the Somali community. This is propaganda not accepted in Wikipedia. Reliable sources demonstrate that there was a penetration in the 1930s, even if small. Furthermore, here it is a repetition of what I wrote about the 40000 Somali catholics:
Hope we can understand each other, and stop all this "heated discussion". Sincerely.-- LittleTony ( talk) 05:05, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
I believe at this point that there should be a sperate article for the Italian language. I also plan to add the schools that were established in the 1890's and early 1900's. AcidSnow ( talk) 19:12, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
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I would like if you people can stop this hijacking of this page and leave it to more knowledgeable persons. There were never any such records of Italian concubinage, and mixed race Italian-Somali persons are exceedingly rare and concerning Somali society, they don't exist. These are individual cases, many of them having nothing to do with colonial times. This is also backed up by the strict Islamic and cultural traditions of Somali society, Italians couldn't even punish Somalis since they knew it would cause serious backlash and start clashes on part of the Somalis, so can you think how bad the situation would be if it involved Somali women?. I have also seen the link posted as reference for the "concubinage" and it speaks nothing of that sort, nor anything about mixed-race Somali-Italians, only Eritrean-Italians. You should also be aware that Catholicism, Christianity, and any non-Sunni Islamic creed is nonexistent in Somalia, the country is exceedingly puritanical and any non-Muslim could expect to be in danger for their life.
"Somalians" goes to show how ignorant you people are concerning Somalia and Somalis, please go edit elsewhere and leave this page be without false information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lathan11 ( talk • contribs) 21:31, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
I appreciate your improvements, Middayexpress. I have done some research on books about the Italian Somalians and I hope you can find there what you need.
About the Catholicism in Somalia, here it is the exact words in the Tripodi book:Il vescovo di Mogadiscio, don Franco Filippini, dichiarava nel 1940 che vi erano circa 40.000 Somali cattolici, frutto del lavoro missionario specialmente nelle aree agricole del Giuba e dell'Uebi Scebeli (my translation: the Bishop of Mogadischu, Franco Filippini, stated in 1940 that there were nearly 40,000 native Somalians of catholic faith, consequence of the missions mainly in the agricultural areas of the rivers Juba and Schebelle). If we add that there were 22,000 Italians in Somalia in that year and the aproximate population of Italian Somalia was calculated in 750,000 (there were no exact census), we have to agree to what writes Tripodi: 62,000 catholics in Italian Somalia (to whom we have to add the temporary Italian troops stationed in forts), or nearly 10% of the total population of 750,000. Of course there are other calculations of the 1940 population of Italian Somalia without the Ogaden, but most scholars agree in the 750,000 - 800,000 range.
I have written that 'The Italian Embassy calculated in 1993 that most Italian colonists used to have illegitimate children with Somali women and this fact has created a group of Italian Somalians with Italian roots, that now amount to nearly 50,000 descendants in all Somalia', because in page 38 Paolo Tripodi wrote the following:L'ambasciatore italiano considerava l'uso del concubinato un serio problema durante gli anni della colonia. Un problema che aveva generato -secondo lui- quasi 50.000 Somali con almeno un nonno o bisnonno italiano negli anni novanta. (my translation: the Italian ambassador believed that the wide practice of concubinage during the colonial years had created the problem that nearly 50,000 Somalians had at least one grandfather or a greatgrandfather Italian during the nineties). To have an idea of something similar, please read this ( http://www.camera.it/_dati/leg13/lavori/stampati/sk6000/relazion/5634.htm ) about 15,500 descendants of Italians in Eritrea (I hope you understand Italian) and the related problems for the Italian Parliament.
Sincerely.-- DuilioM ( talk) 07:12, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
Again, Middayexpress, another OR: where do you get the information that inflating figures was a very common practice during Italy's Fascist era? Where and what are your sources? Please, do not repeat the same contemporary moslem POVs that the Catholicism never managed to penetrate the Somali community. This is propaganda not accepted in Wikipedia. Reliable sources demonstrate that there was a penetration in the 1930s, even if small. Furthermore, here it is a repetition of what I wrote about the 40000 Somali catholics:
Hope we can understand each other, and stop all this "heated discussion". Sincerely.-- LittleTony ( talk) 05:05, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
I believe at this point that there should be a sperate article for the Italian language. I also plan to add the schools that were established in the 1890's and early 1900's. AcidSnow ( talk) 19:12, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
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