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This article is a long list of everything Israel has ever been accused of, mashed together in a big list that reads as a piece that is supposed to outline why Israel is bad.—♦♦ AMBER (ЯʘCK) 19:32, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
This article consists mainly of someone copying parts of the lead from various existing articles about various incidents Israel may or may not have been involved in. There is no source connecting all the incidents to each other or saying they consist of state sponsored terrorism. The lead is just a bunch of OR and doesn't even pretend to summarize the body of the article. This article should be deleted. No More Mr Nice Guy ( talk) 04:30, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
@ Monochrome Monitor: I reverted your edits. Please explain about your edits step by step to reach an agreement. Homiho ( talk) 06:15, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
You are wrong annony. The UN ruled the blockade is legal. It's a fringe position to call its enforcement "terrorism". My explanation is that this article includes tons of examples that aren't of state-sponsored terrorism, they are of state terrorism, which is too marginal for wikipedia. The tone is terrible, and overall this article was and now is a huge disaster. I'm not the only one who pointed this out. @ No More Mr Nice Guy: @ Amberrock: @ Yoninah: They did too... but they haven't heard my pings. UGH.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 06:26, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
"This article is in line with the other articles on state terrorism". Thats exactly the probably. It's not state terrorism. It's called state-sponsored terrorism, and yes, there is a difference. Pretty much every nation that's been around the block has sponsored terrorists, including Israel, notably against Iran. State terrorism is different. Examples of state terrorism should be removed from this page. That's what I did.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:33, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
SharabSalam Stop removing tags if you don't understand the underlying issue. Are you aware that this entire discussion is about POV issues in the article? Wikieditor19920 ( talk) 12:47, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
The lead is decidedly non-neutral in that a small group of Arab and Muslim states are presented as something more than that., that's called raising a POV issue, and it's one which I agree with completely. NPOV which means representing the views of all secondary sources on a subject and not giving undue weight to any of them. By citing views to primary sources and placing them in the lead, we are giving them undue weight and violating NPOV. Wikieditor19920 ( talk) 13:04, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
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In 2014 the Bolivian president declared Israel as a terrorist state after the bombing of Gaza. Is this relevant to this article? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/30/bolivia-israel-terrorist-state/13384989/ -- SharabSalam ( talk) 20:45, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
The following - The assertion that Israel is a state sponsor of terrorism has also been made in the American press in both left
[1] and right
[2] publications. In addition writers such as Johnathan Tobin have defended Israel’s right to ally with any group it wants to regardless of terror designation.
[3]
was added to the lede. Beyond weasel attribution and use of opeds, the cited sources do not support the text. Specifically, Tobin indeed supported Israel's right to ally with whomever. This view of Tobin was criticized by Larison. Larison and Tobin's opeds were then commented on by the Atlantic. None of the two sources makes an assertion that "Israel is a state sponsor of terrorism".
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References
Atlantic 2012
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Ok the opening statement could be changed to a few facts instead of a call to authority from one time speech of a few dictators. Maybe put the list of countries who have Israel as a "terrorist State" and which countries have not? That would a bit more factual.
Also. let's be a bit rigorous here. The opening statement is just political statements from leaders of dictatorships; that's a sophism, a call to authority, an argumentum ad potentiam, (of dictators, no less) and such thing has no place in an encyclopedia; especially not in the opening statement of an article.
In the first sentence, all the countries mean Israel is doing state terrorism and not that Israel is a "state sponsor of terrorism". Using an army to bomb different places is not the definition of state sponsor of terrorism. It could however be the definition of state terrorism if it is targetted solely on civilians to instill fear. State sponsor of terrorism is the funding of subnational or clandestine groups that do international terrorism.
According to US law, to be a state-sponsor of terrorism, Israel needs to : repeatedly provide support for acts of international terrorism.
And what is international terrorism : premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents (terrorism) involving citizens or the territory of more than 1 country (international terrorism) ( https://fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/R43835.pdf)
So state sponsor of terrorism is : a state which repeatedly provides support for premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents (terrorism) involving citizens or the territory of more than 1 country (international terrorism) ( https://fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/R43835.pdf)
So anything related to state terrorism should be put in another page called state terrorism in Israel.
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Header: Front for the Liberation of Lebanon from Foreigners
After the 1979 massacre of an Israeli family at Nahariya by Palestine Liberation Front militants, Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan instructed Israeli General Avigdor Ben-Gal to "Kill them all," meaning the Palestinian Liberation Organization and those connected to it. [1] With Eitan's approval, Ben-Gal charged Meir Dagan with running the operations. [1] The operations, approved by the Chief of Staff, were kept secret from the IDF's General Staff and many other members of the Israeli government. [1] David Agmon, at the time head of Israel's northern command, was one of the few people who was briefed on its operations. [1] Lebanese operatives on the ground from the Maronite, Shiite and Druze communities were recruited. The aim of the series of operations was to "cause chaos among the Palestinians and Syrians in Lebanon, without leaving an Israeli fingerprint, to give them the feeling that they were constantly under attack and to instill them with a sense of insecurity." [1]
Beginning in July 1981, with a bomb attack on the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) offices at Fakhani Road in West Beirut, [2] these attacks were claimed by a group called the Front for the Liberation of Lebanon from Foreigners. The FLLF was itself a front for Israeli agents, [1] and it killed hundreds of people between 1979 and 1983. [3] [4]
By September 1981, the Front's operations consisted of car bombs exploding regularly in the Palestinian neighborhoods of Beirut and other Lebanese cities. [1] Particularly deadly attacks include an October 1, 1981 attack in Beirut that killed 83 and a November 29, 1981 attack in Aleppo that killed 90. [4] FLLF operations came to a sudden halt just prior to the June 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon [4], only to be resumed the following year: first a 28 January 1983 strike on a PLO headquarters at Chtaura in the Syrian-controlled Beqaa Valley, killing 35, [4] coupled by a second on 3 February at West Beirut that devastated the Palestine Research Center offices and left 20 people dead, including the wife of Sabri Jiryis. [5] [6] [7] A third bombing occurred on Syrian-controlled Baalbek on 7 August 1983, which killed about 30 people and injured nearly 40, [8] [4] followed by another on 5 December 1983 at the Chyah quarter of the Southern suburbs of Beirut that claimed the lives of 12 people and maimed over 80. [9]
The FLLF disbanded after 1983. [3] Amplifysound ( talk) 03:42, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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As in title — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.30.244.59 ( talk) 22:42, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
As in title. This started before the Israeli colony declared itself a state but continued after. Biological warfare against the Palestinians poisoning their water supplies with infectious diseases counts as state sponsored terrorism surely? 81.103.162.246 ( talk)
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Addition to MEK and Assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists. The recent assassination of Mohsen Fakhrizadeh should be included in the topic. Iran alleges that Israel and Mujahideen-e-Khalq were behind it (no proof yet, only allegations at state level. Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55128970 Ashleycoo ( talk) 03:06, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Should Israel attacking anti-ISIL forces and timber Sycamore be added? GrandBotBoi ( talk) 06:01, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Israeli backing of Syrian rebels, which are Salafists, also Israel's previous funding for Hamas. Al Farwazirip ( talk) 19:45, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
As a non-jew, non-white, and non-muslim, I find this article is extremely weasel worded with hedging language when there is already more than enough evidence confirming that there is state-sponsored terrorism against innocent scientists and civillians where Israel is directly or indirectly involved. It should be clear that these are no longer allegations, but facts which this article must shamelessly state. It is not to denounce but to inform the reader of historical fact. Looking at the early edit history of this article, this has been heavily edited in favor of, if I may say, “protecting israel”, and key sources, and incidents have been deleted, and I do not believe the omission of such data is in good faith, but to HIDE and mislead the reader, hence creating collusion. Since it this is about Israel, this is a volatile partisan topic that would need nonjews and more senior wiki editors to impartially rewrite this article with unfiltered hard facts and sources 204.197.182.226 ( talk) 04:52, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
As much as I'm in favor of holding any country accountable for acts of "Terrorism", this article is really terrible. It confuses accusations with confirmed acts of "Terrorism". For example, Iran accused Israel of killing 4 nuclear scientists, the article says there are suspects, and that the Iranian government accuses Israel, but no confirmation was ever given about who carried this out. In this article, however, it portrays it as if Israel was the confirmed assassin. Why? JoseJan89 ( talk) 11:33, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
Information from the page Dahiya doctrine which should be added to this page.
"[...] the 2008–09 Gaza War, with the Goldstone Report concluding that the Israeli strategy was "designed to punish, humiliate and terrorize a civilian population"."
Richard Falk wrote that under the doctrine, "the civilian infrastructure of adversaries such as Hamas or Hezbollah are treated as permissible military targets, which is not only an overt violation of the most elementary norms of the law of war and of universal morality, but an avowal of a doctrine of violence that needs to be called by its proper name: state terrorism." [1]
IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 03:45, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
Thank you Iskandar323! IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 14:59, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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I think good context is added for israel decisions, but that treatment is not afforded whatsoever to other parties. More neutrality would help, especially simplistic to call hamas an "Iranian proxy" without recognising the years they existed prior to any Iranian support and the essential grassroots element of the group. That's just one example where neutrality is sacrificed. Mohammed Al-Keesh ( talk) 04:52, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
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This article is a long list of everything Israel has ever been accused of, mashed together in a big list that reads as a piece that is supposed to outline why Israel is bad.—♦♦ AMBER (ЯʘCK) 19:32, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
This article consists mainly of someone copying parts of the lead from various existing articles about various incidents Israel may or may not have been involved in. There is no source connecting all the incidents to each other or saying they consist of state sponsored terrorism. The lead is just a bunch of OR and doesn't even pretend to summarize the body of the article. This article should be deleted. No More Mr Nice Guy ( talk) 04:30, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
@ Monochrome Monitor: I reverted your edits. Please explain about your edits step by step to reach an agreement. Homiho ( talk) 06:15, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
You are wrong annony. The UN ruled the blockade is legal. It's a fringe position to call its enforcement "terrorism". My explanation is that this article includes tons of examples that aren't of state-sponsored terrorism, they are of state terrorism, which is too marginal for wikipedia. The tone is terrible, and overall this article was and now is a huge disaster. I'm not the only one who pointed this out. @ No More Mr Nice Guy: @ Amberrock: @ Yoninah: They did too... but they haven't heard my pings. UGH.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 06:26, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
"This article is in line with the other articles on state terrorism". Thats exactly the probably. It's not state terrorism. It's called state-sponsored terrorism, and yes, there is a difference. Pretty much every nation that's been around the block has sponsored terrorists, including Israel, notably against Iran. State terrorism is different. Examples of state terrorism should be removed from this page. That's what I did.-- Monochrome_ Monitor 01:33, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
SharabSalam Stop removing tags if you don't understand the underlying issue. Are you aware that this entire discussion is about POV issues in the article? Wikieditor19920 ( talk) 12:47, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
The lead is decidedly non-neutral in that a small group of Arab and Muslim states are presented as something more than that., that's called raising a POV issue, and it's one which I agree with completely. NPOV which means representing the views of all secondary sources on a subject and not giving undue weight to any of them. By citing views to primary sources and placing them in the lead, we are giving them undue weight and violating NPOV. Wikieditor19920 ( talk) 13:04, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
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In 2014 the Bolivian president declared Israel as a terrorist state after the bombing of Gaza. Is this relevant to this article? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/30/bolivia-israel-terrorist-state/13384989/ -- SharabSalam ( talk) 20:45, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
The following - The assertion that Israel is a state sponsor of terrorism has also been made in the American press in both left
[1] and right
[2] publications. In addition writers such as Johnathan Tobin have defended Israel’s right to ally with any group it wants to regardless of terror designation.
[3]
was added to the lede. Beyond weasel attribution and use of opeds, the cited sources do not support the text. Specifically, Tobin indeed supported Israel's right to ally with whomever. This view of Tobin was criticized by Larison. Larison and Tobin's opeds were then commented on by the Atlantic. None of the two sources makes an assertion that "Israel is a state sponsor of terrorism".
Icewhiz (
talk)
15:41, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
References
Atlantic 2012
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Ok the opening statement could be changed to a few facts instead of a call to authority from one time speech of a few dictators. Maybe put the list of countries who have Israel as a "terrorist State" and which countries have not? That would a bit more factual.
Also. let's be a bit rigorous here. The opening statement is just political statements from leaders of dictatorships; that's a sophism, a call to authority, an argumentum ad potentiam, (of dictators, no less) and such thing has no place in an encyclopedia; especially not in the opening statement of an article.
In the first sentence, all the countries mean Israel is doing state terrorism and not that Israel is a "state sponsor of terrorism". Using an army to bomb different places is not the definition of state sponsor of terrorism. It could however be the definition of state terrorism if it is targetted solely on civilians to instill fear. State sponsor of terrorism is the funding of subnational or clandestine groups that do international terrorism.
According to US law, to be a state-sponsor of terrorism, Israel needs to : repeatedly provide support for acts of international terrorism.
And what is international terrorism : premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents (terrorism) involving citizens or the territory of more than 1 country (international terrorism) ( https://fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/R43835.pdf)
So state sponsor of terrorism is : a state which repeatedly provides support for premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents (terrorism) involving citizens or the territory of more than 1 country (international terrorism) ( https://fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/R43835.pdf)
So anything related to state terrorism should be put in another page called state terrorism in Israel.
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Add a new section after Lavon affair:
Header: Front for the Liberation of Lebanon from Foreigners
After the 1979 massacre of an Israeli family at Nahariya by Palestine Liberation Front militants, Israel Defense Forces Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan instructed Israeli General Avigdor Ben-Gal to "Kill them all," meaning the Palestinian Liberation Organization and those connected to it. [1] With Eitan's approval, Ben-Gal charged Meir Dagan with running the operations. [1] The operations, approved by the Chief of Staff, were kept secret from the IDF's General Staff and many other members of the Israeli government. [1] David Agmon, at the time head of Israel's northern command, was one of the few people who was briefed on its operations. [1] Lebanese operatives on the ground from the Maronite, Shiite and Druze communities were recruited. The aim of the series of operations was to "cause chaos among the Palestinians and Syrians in Lebanon, without leaving an Israeli fingerprint, to give them the feeling that they were constantly under attack and to instill them with a sense of insecurity." [1]
Beginning in July 1981, with a bomb attack on the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) offices at Fakhani Road in West Beirut, [2] these attacks were claimed by a group called the Front for the Liberation of Lebanon from Foreigners. The FLLF was itself a front for Israeli agents, [1] and it killed hundreds of people between 1979 and 1983. [3] [4]
By September 1981, the Front's operations consisted of car bombs exploding regularly in the Palestinian neighborhoods of Beirut and other Lebanese cities. [1] Particularly deadly attacks include an October 1, 1981 attack in Beirut that killed 83 and a November 29, 1981 attack in Aleppo that killed 90. [4] FLLF operations came to a sudden halt just prior to the June 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon [4], only to be resumed the following year: first a 28 January 1983 strike on a PLO headquarters at Chtaura in the Syrian-controlled Beqaa Valley, killing 35, [4] coupled by a second on 3 February at West Beirut that devastated the Palestine Research Center offices and left 20 people dead, including the wife of Sabri Jiryis. [5] [6] [7] A third bombing occurred on Syrian-controlled Baalbek on 7 August 1983, which killed about 30 people and injured nearly 40, [8] [4] followed by another on 5 December 1983 at the Chyah quarter of the Southern suburbs of Beirut that claimed the lives of 12 people and maimed over 80. [9]
The FLLF disbanded after 1983. [3] Amplifysound ( talk) 03:42, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
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As in title — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.30.244.59 ( talk) 22:42, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
As in title. This started before the Israeli colony declared itself a state but continued after. Biological warfare against the Palestinians poisoning their water supplies with infectious diseases counts as state sponsored terrorism surely? 81.103.162.246 ( talk)
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Addition to MEK and Assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists. The recent assassination of Mohsen Fakhrizadeh should be included in the topic. Iran alleges that Israel and Mujahideen-e-Khalq were behind it (no proof yet, only allegations at state level. Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55128970 Ashleycoo ( talk) 03:06, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
Should Israel attacking anti-ISIL forces and timber Sycamore be added? GrandBotBoi ( talk) 06:01, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Israeli backing of Syrian rebels, which are Salafists, also Israel's previous funding for Hamas. Al Farwazirip ( talk) 19:45, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
As a non-jew, non-white, and non-muslim, I find this article is extremely weasel worded with hedging language when there is already more than enough evidence confirming that there is state-sponsored terrorism against innocent scientists and civillians where Israel is directly or indirectly involved. It should be clear that these are no longer allegations, but facts which this article must shamelessly state. It is not to denounce but to inform the reader of historical fact. Looking at the early edit history of this article, this has been heavily edited in favor of, if I may say, “protecting israel”, and key sources, and incidents have been deleted, and I do not believe the omission of such data is in good faith, but to HIDE and mislead the reader, hence creating collusion. Since it this is about Israel, this is a volatile partisan topic that would need nonjews and more senior wiki editors to impartially rewrite this article with unfiltered hard facts and sources 204.197.182.226 ( talk) 04:52, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
As much as I'm in favor of holding any country accountable for acts of "Terrorism", this article is really terrible. It confuses accusations with confirmed acts of "Terrorism". For example, Iran accused Israel of killing 4 nuclear scientists, the article says there are suspects, and that the Iranian government accuses Israel, but no confirmation was ever given about who carried this out. In this article, however, it portrays it as if Israel was the confirmed assassin. Why? JoseJan89 ( talk) 11:33, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
Information from the page Dahiya doctrine which should be added to this page.
"[...] the 2008–09 Gaza War, with the Goldstone Report concluding that the Israeli strategy was "designed to punish, humiliate and terrorize a civilian population"."
Richard Falk wrote that under the doctrine, "the civilian infrastructure of adversaries such as Hamas or Hezbollah are treated as permissible military targets, which is not only an overt violation of the most elementary norms of the law of war and of universal morality, but an avowal of a doctrine of violence that needs to be called by its proper name: state terrorism." [1]
IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 03:45, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
Thank you Iskandar323! IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 14:59, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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I think good context is added for israel decisions, but that treatment is not afforded whatsoever to other parties. More neutrality would help, especially simplistic to call hamas an "Iranian proxy" without recognising the years they existed prior to any Iranian support and the essential grassroots element of the group. That's just one example where neutrality is sacrificed. Mohammed Al-Keesh ( talk) 04:52, 10 December 2023 (UTC)