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I started a topic a week ago, but really, I put my point across very poorly. Homer noted: "Zionism isn't just the result of anti-Semitism," which is true, but it certainly was the events in Europe, especially in Eastern Europe, which were the catalyst for modern Zionist organization in the latter 19th century, and implementing action for the actual Jewish immigration to Palestine that followed. Catalyst is the key word.
What do you guys think? I'm not quite sure how to word it, but I feel it's relevant enough to Israel's history to warrant mention in the lead. It's just how to compress the pogroms, persecutions, five waves of immigration (first Aliyah is of course most relevant here) into one sentence, which is difficult. Michael0986 ( talk) 00:35, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
So the factoid that "Israel is the only democracy in the middle-east" has been squirted into the lead, which is of course blatantly incorrect as worded, given the existence of Egypt, Iraq and Turkey in the geographical Middle East. If there are further criteria here, such as the only democracy approved of by US and other Western think tanks, then this needs clarifying. The whole thing also needs supporting in the body, where it is entirely absent, per MOS:LEAD. Iskandar323 ( talk) 15:55, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
Original heading: In light of the UN taking two months to acknowledge the crimes committed upon Israeli civilians..
I think we better rethink what message is being conveyed in the lead, in regards to one side "violating human rights", and committing "war crimes", while no mention of the crimes committed by the other side.
I think a can of worms is being opened up in the lead guys, seriously. Because then we must present Israel's POV, and then, which side is right, which side is worse, atrocities have been committed on both sides. So my suggestion is, shorten the sentence to: Israel's actions in its occupation of the Palestinian territories have drawn international criticism from the UN, or we must also present Israel's POV in the lead. Because it cannot be left simply as it is. Michael0986 ( talk) 00:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
I think we better rethink what message is being conveyed in the lead, in regards to one side "violating human rights", and committing "war crimes", while no mention of the crimes committed by the other side.
There will be an opportunity for editors to opine on this in an upcoming RFC.
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Draft RFC (selfstudier version)
Should the existing lead sentence "Israel's practices, in the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn international condemnation for violating the human rights of Palestinians." be amended?
Option 1 Include a linked references to war crimes.
(Example "Israel's practices, in the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn internationalcondemnation for violating the human rights of Palestinians.criticism, along with accusations that it has committed war crimes."
Option 2 Include linked references to war crimes and crimes against humanity
(Example "Israel's practices, in the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn internationalcondemnation for violating the human rights of Palestinians.criticism, along with accusations that it has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity"
Option 3 No change to existing wording.
This draft assumes that the existing wording has consensus. Comments on the draft? Selfstudier ( talk) 13:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Israel's policies and practices within and outside the occupied Palestinian territories have drawn sustained international criticism, with human rights organizations and United Nations officials alleging that it has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity) as a fourth option? Understandable if you're concerned about WP:RFCBRIEF, though.
Draft RFC (Mawer10 version)
Opttions:
1) mention the Palestinian territories and human rights violations
(Israel's policies and actions on the occupied Palestinian territories have drawn international criticism for violating the human rights of Palestinians, along with accusations that it has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity by human rights organizations and UN officials.
2) Mention the Palestinian territories, and no mention human rights violations
(Israel's policies and actions on the occupied Palestinian territories have drawn international criticismfor violating the human rights of Palestinians, along with accusations that it has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity by human rights organizations and UN officials.
3) No mention of the Palestinian territories and human rights violations
(Israel's policies and actions on the occupiedPalestinianterritories have drawn international criticismfor violating the human rights of Palestinians, along with accusations that it has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity by human rights organizations and UN officials.
4) actions in and outside the territories, no mention of human rights violation
(Israel's policies and actions within and outside the occupied Palestinian territories have drawn international criticism, with human rights organizations and UN officials alleging that it has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity.
The options assume that there is consensus to include the mention of accusations of both war crimes and crimes against humanity, and attribution of the accusations to UN officials and human rights organizations. Mawer10 ( talk) 14:15, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Draft RfC (WillowCity version)
Should the existing lead sentence "Israel's practices, in the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn international condemnation for violating the human rights of Palestinians." be amended?
Option 1) no change to the existing wording.
Option 2) mention the occupation, actions, and accusations of war crimes:
Israel's actions, in the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn sustained internationalcondemnation for violating the human rights of Palestinians.criticism, along with accusations that it has committed war crimes.
Option 3) mention actions and accusations of war crimes and crimes against humanity, with attribution:
Israel's actionsin the longest military occupation in modern historyhave drawn sustained internationalcondemnation for violating the human rights of Palestinianscriticism, along with accusations that it has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity by human rights organizations and UN officials.
Option 4) mention the practices, policies, and accusations of war crimes and crimes against humanity, noting the occupation, with attribution:
Israel's policies and practices within and outside the occupied Palestinian territories have drawn sustained international criticism, with human rights organizations and UN officials alleging that it has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity.
(this is an attempt to synthesize the two drafts above, with the aim of encouraging further development and synthesis. Focused comments welcome as always.) WillowCity (talk) 16:47, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Draft RFC (selfstudier version 2)
Should the existing lead sentence "Israel's practices, in the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn international condemnation for violating the human rights of Palestinians." be amended?
Option 1 No change to existing wording.
Option 2 Yes (select the parts a, b, c, d of the sentence "(a)Israel's policies have drawn international criticism,(b) with accusations by human rights organizations and UN officials(c) that it has committed war crimes (d) and crimes against humanity.")
Example: A !vote of 2bd would signify a sentence similar to "Israel is accused by human rights organizations and UN officials of crimes against humanity." Selfstudier ( talk) 19:58, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
This is too convoluted to result in a change. If you want an RFC, do it like this:
Should the sentence Israel's practices, in the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn international condemnation for violating the human rights of Palestinians.
be changed to any of the following options:
Israel's practices in its occupation of the Palestinian territories have drawn sustained international criticism along with accusations that is has commited war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Palestinian people from human rights organizations and United Nations officials.
Israel's actions in its occupation of the Palestinian territories have drawn international criticism from the UN
Israel's policies and actions on the occupied Palestinian territories have drawn international criticism [for violating the human rights of Palestinians], along with accusations that it has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity by human rights organizations and UN officials.(or whichever version Mawer actually support)
If Mawer10 or WillowCity wants to propose a (singular) sentence to include in the options they should do so. If anybody else does, they should do so. But make this a choice between the options, and not some competing rfc proposal set. The question is how should this sentence change. The options are all of the options that have some serious chance at gaining consensus. Thats how you start an rfc that actually is focused and has better than a snowball's chance in not ending in no consensus. nableezy - 17:02, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Israel's actions in its occupation of the Palestinian territories have drawn international criticism from the UNHomerethegreat ( talk) 13:57, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
@ Mawer10:, Im going to open up an RFC shortly, could you please clarify if want what is listed as option 4 included? Or if there is some other option you would like to replace it with? nableezy - 19:32, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Hey , some editors have complained about the population number. “The conflict resulted in the expulsion or flight of over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs from Israeli territory to neighboring countries, over eighty percent of the total. Over the next two decades after its independence, the majority of Jews from the Arab world emigrated, fled, or were expelled, with Israel absorbing approximately 650,000 of them.”
It can be replace with “The conflict resulted in the expulsion or flight of most of Palestinian which led to Jewish majority in Israeli territory”
Also about Jewish immigrants from Islamic countries I think it quite absurd to cover only one immigration out of many, I also read that most of immigrants in that years wasn’t from Islamic countries they were mostly European immigrant and also from South America.
In the late 19th century emerged Zionism, a movement advocating for the establishment of a Jewish homeland, [prompting waves of Jewish immigrants to Palestine]. Under the British Mandate placed by the League of Nations after World War I, Jewish immigration increased considerably, leading to tensions between Jews and the Arab majority population.” We don't need to mention specific aliyahs here, Jewish immigration during the mandate is definitely the most important to Israel's creation.
@ Mawer10 I think that we simply should not mention specifically the immigration from Islamic countries, as Nableezy said, the numbers are not accurate and besides, it is not possible to mention only one Jewish immigration among many, it is subject to dispute whether that Jewish immigration from Muslim country is the most important and also chronologically it does not work out. I think an appropriate wording the anyone can understand and agree on could be "the conflict resulted in the expulsion or flight of most of the Palestinians which led to Jewish majority in Israel territory" what do you think? Qplb191 ( talk) 09:55, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
Hey @ Mawer10 do you agree with “the conflict resulted the explosion or fled of most of the Palestinians” instead of the crunnet version? Qplb191 ( talk) 14:01, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
1) “The conflict resulted in the expulsion or flight of most of Palestinian which led to Jewish majority in Israeli territory” 2) '"as a result of the conflict most of the Palestinians were expelled or fled, Israel absorbed Jewish immigrants which led to Jewish majority in Israel territory" And I have no problem with specifying Jewish immigration from Arab countries after mentioning the expulsion or flight of Palestinians. The current phrase in the lead is correct now, with the number 600,000. Mawer10 ( talk) 14:40, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
I think that sentence should read more neutral, something along the lines of: "Israel's practices in the longest military occupation in modern history have drawn international condemnation."
Something like that that would surely suffice, without being too inflammatory. Wiki editors know about balance, bias, and such things, so no need for lectures, and debates. There already is a link for the "international condemnation" page provided in the lead. Michael0986 ( talk) 22:00, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
The more I read over the lead, the more I feel the entire sentence that reads: "Israel's practices, in the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn international condemnation for violating the human rights of Palestinians" should be removed entirely. It may as well read: "The bad oppressing occupiers, Israel, are committing crimes against the Palestinian civilians." More or less, that seems to be what it insinuates. I'm not here to say Israel are evil, neither are you.
Should the viewpoint of the Israeli's on the matter, of why they feel the occupation is necessary also be in the lead? Where would it end? This is why, and you agree, the lead should be much more concise. Yes, it is current and hotly debated, but Wiki should always remain impartial. Michael0986 ( talk) 00:39, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
We had a much wider consensus on including the number of Palestinians expelled. Ive trimmed it slightly, but the number should remain because that number directly led to the Jewish majority in Israel proper. nableezy - 20:40, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
In 1945 there were about 900,000 Jews living in the Arab world." Jews constituted a stable and historic community in these countries, dating back at least 2,500 years, centuries before the time of Muhammad. Yet, between 1948 and 1997, this Jewish population dispersed: 608,799 Jews relocated to Israel, and an additional 260,000 Jewish refugees fled to Europe and the Americas.
In the 20th century, approximately 900,000 Jews migrated, fled, or were expelled from Muslim-majority countries throughout Africa and Asia. Primarily a consequence of the Israeli Declaration of Independence, the mass movement mainly transpired from 1948 to the early 1970s, with one final exodus of Iranian Jews occurring shortly after the Islamic Revolution in 1979–1980. An estimated 650,000 (72%) of these Jews resettled in Israel.Mawer10 ( talk) 22:20, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Over the next two decades after its independence, the majority of Jews from the Arab world emigrated, fled, or were expelled, with Israel absorbing approximately 650,000 of them. Do you see the problem? And do you see the timeframe? nableezy - 16:03, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
the nine hundred thousand Jews who were forced out of Arab countries have not been refugees for many years. Most of them, about 650,000, went to Israel because it was the only country that would admit them. I don't see the contradiction. Alaexis ¿question? 22:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
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The area now know as Israel began being called Israel in 1948 - there were people called Israelites prior. The area was not known as Israel prior. 123.208.43.24 ( talk) 20:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
The late 19th century saw the rise of Zionism, a movement advocating for the establishment of a Jewish homeland, during which the Jewish people began purchasing land in Palestine.
i suggest changing this The late 19th century saw the rise of
Zionism, a movement advocating for the establishment of a
Jewish homeland, which was necessary for the Jews who survived the Holocaust. During which the Jewish people began legally buying land in Palestine.
Which was necessary for the Jews who survived the Holocaust. If this is not added I am confident that this is inciting Holocaust denial. Although this may seem like a jump to some It is true.
During which the Jewish people began legally buying land in Palestine. This is a important thing to mention as it may seem like the Jewish people illegally bought the land but the deals where all legal. DMPenguinTheJewishPenguin ( talk) 19:18, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
As a jew myself I find 03000, Ret. to be wrong. But I do not want to fight. nableezy' no this is not accurate. DMPenguinTheJewishPenguin ( talk) 20:58, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
I AM WRONG Holocuast was 20th century. I AM ONLY 14 but MB. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DMPenguin ( talk • contribs) 21:28, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
The purchase of land by Jews was not in the introduction previously; it was introduced into the text on October 14 and removed on December 1 with a valid argument, but was added again later. It would be more relevant to mention what led to the rise of Zionism, as suggested by Michael0986 earlier. Mawer10 ( talk) 22:40, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
I noticed this claim in the article doesn't seem to have a citation.
"Jews from Europe and the former Soviet Union and their descendants born in Israel, including Ashkenazi Jews, constitute approximately 50% of Jewish Israelis."
This seems to contradict the Demographics of Israel article, which puts the number at 31.8%. TIA Aaronak ( talk) 23:59, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
The pie chart of religious groups does not correlate with the figures given below it, nor the pie chart given in the source material. 2A00:23C6:4937:5F01:CDB:6B80:E1CD:2D2E ( talk) 12:12, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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In the section Real Estate, it says "Housing prices in Israel are listed in the top third, with an average of 150 salaries required to buy an apartment." Just saying "top third" is confusing, it should be changed to "top third of all countries" (as the source claims) or something similar. I can do stuff! ( talk) 22:59, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
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Could someone add Israel's governments and elections over the last 20 years so as to include information outside of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Watch Atlas791 ( talk) 00:54, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Since the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Israel has signed peace treaties with Egypt, returning the Sinai Peninsula, and with Jordan, and more recently normalized relations with several Arab countries. However, efforts to resolve the Israeli–Palestinian conflict have not succeeded.Israel's practices, in the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn international condemnation for violating the human rights of the Palestinians.
succeeded.Israel's practices
Need a space after "succeeded." 675930s ( talk) 02:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
I added this sentence to the lede. If someone has a problem with its wording, feel free to change it, and if you dispute that the war should be mentioned in the lede at all, please discuss it here.
However, efforts to resolve the Israeli–Palestinian conflict have not succeeded, with an ongoing war against Palestinian militant groups in the Gaza Strip occurring since 2023.
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I want to request an edit to this arcticle
“During Roman rule, Jews became a minority in Palestine.” This sentence is inaccurate and misleading. I recommend clarifying it: “During the Roman rule, the Jewish majority in the region faced persecution, leading to their becoming a minority, and the land was subsequently renamed from 'Judea' to 'Syria Palestine.'" 66.81.170.162 ( talk) 00:23, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
here is the revert I am proposing we undo. The changes made would be:
@ Qplb191 DMH43 ( talk) 18:34, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi, before adding things related to war/conflict, it is customary to open a discussion on the talk page before adding them, you didn't get a consensus for the changes you made. Qplb191 ( talk) 19:24, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
The below is the most “meta” summary of this question I have seen – i.e. that different voices classify it differently.
Israel is classified by some as an apartheid regime that can only be democratized through boycotts and sanctions, while others believe it is a stable liberal democracy, flourishing despite extreme conditions. How do observations of a single case lead to such contradictory classifications and interpretations of a regime? This chapter offers an overview of how the Israeli regime is classified, addressing two fundamental issues in the debate over its suitable classification: the definition of democracy and the parameters of the unit of analysis. This chapter also examines how Israel is categorized in cross-national regime indexes, demonstrating that such indexes cannot be exploited to bypass the dispute about the regime classification. In so doing, it exposes the limits of restricting the focus to the classification of the Israel regime, arguing that this debate can never be conclusively resolved.
This is a good source to underpin the stated difference of opinion on this core matter in the lede. Onceinawhile ( talk) 13:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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more information, Israel, and Gaza have had occupations, and this is the first signed war by the government to ever occur between Gaza (hamas) and Israel כותבתומתכנת ( talk) 19:18, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Mandatory Palestine was not a country, it was part of the British Empire. As a result, "Independence from Mandatory Palestine" should be changed to "Independence from the United Kingdom." Iraq, which was known as Mandatory Iraq, uses "Independence from the United Kingdom." Why should Israel be any different? GamerKiller2347 ( talk) 22:36, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Which English do most Israeli pages use? British English? American English? Both? Is one preferred? Iljhgtn ( talk) 01:29, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Is this bold sentence to be added to the lede an accurate summarization of the article's apartheid accusations section (noting that the lede serves as a summary of body, including any prominent controversies, per MOS:LEDE)?
"Israel's practices in its occupation of the Palestinian territories, the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn condemnation for violating the human rights of the Palestinians, including the accusation that the state is committing the crime of apartheid." Makeandtoss ( talk) 13:15, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Please note that this RFC is being reopened after two months since a previous one, in which multiple editors were canvassed to the discussion, and ArbCom has taken action against them. All editors are welcome to join this discussion, but they must disclose if they have been canvassed here, and are kindly reminded that this article is a contentious topic lying under ARBPIA3, and thus subject to certain sanctions. Makeandtoss ( talk) 13:20, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Comment: Not voting for or against, but would it be possible to add “in the occupied territories” to the end of your proposed sentence to clarify? I think the apartheid accusation is mostly for West Bank, not Israel proper? Wafflefrites ( talk) 14:53, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Comment This is at least in part related to the not yet closed #RFC on human rights language in lead above. Selfstudier ( talk) 15:13, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Comment Grounds for reopening a well discussed closed RFC that involved dozens of editors on the basis of a ArbCom action against three people (only one of which had any measurable contribution to the previous RFC) is specious at best. These are not appropriate grounds to reopen this. Mistamystery ( talk) 18:22, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Comment - I didn't comment on the last RFC, but it was closed in December. There hasn't been enough time to justify bringing this up again. This RFC should be withdrawn. Nemov ( talk) 01:52, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Comment Thinking about it some more, I would prefer to wait until we know more about the two matters currently at the ICJ in relation to the occupation and the accusation of genocide, perhaps the proposed statement will turn out to require amending and I see no harm in waiting for a short while. Selfstudier ( talk) 10:05, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
just another opinion to add to the list. The outcome is extremely relevant in this case, because — even though it isn't directly ruling on an accusation of apartheid — no matter which way the court rules, the ruling will probably influence the discussion about Israel–Palestine and possible human rights violations in all areas, not just genocide (among them the accusation of apartheid). TucanHolmes ( talk) 17:55, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
the ruling will probably influence the discussion about Israel–Palestine and possible human rights violations in all areas, that needs someone with expertise backing it up, since from the sources in our article the analysis beforehand seemed pretty clear (and indeed results show) that the court isn't making any dramatically new decision. What may be more interesting is their upcoming advisory opinion, should they actually choose to address apartheid as a legal question (which as it is not specified, they probably(?) won't). SamuelRiv ( talk) 01:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Well, one leg is in, the genocide case, and that would seem supportive of some hr language, we might as well wait for the 1 month "report back" thing and the second case re the occupation and then see where we are. Selfstudier ( talk) 19:11, 31 January 2024 (UTC) The sourcing on human rights abuse/war crimes/potential genocide just keeps rolling in. The one month "report" is looking like Israel's idea of a joke, we'll see what the court says about it. And the apartheid accusations are piling up as well. Options 2 and 4 in the ongoing RFC are beginning to look like an understatement. Selfstudier ( talk) 18:01, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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“Coastal areas, such as those of Tel Aviv and Haifa, have a typical Mediterranean climate with” mild winters. Not cool
Winters are very mild, with night temperatures usually around 14 and days of 21° + דולב חולב ( talk) 16:22, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Change: "The late 19th century saw the rise of Zionism, a movement advocating for the establishment of a Jewish homeland. Under the British Mandate placed by the League of Nations after World War I, Jewish immigration to the region increased considerably leading to intercommunal conflict between Jews and the Arab majority."
It's inaccurate to say that the immigration by itself led to intercommunal conflict. We should at least mention that origins of this conflict (as described by morris) were a result of fears of exclusion and dispossession:
"The late 19th century saw the rise of Zionism, a movement advocating for the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Under the British Mandate, which was established by the League of Nations following World War I, Jewish immigration increased considerably. Concurrently, a separate economy controlled by the Jewish community was also established. The Palestinian population's growing fear of displacement and dispossession would be the primary source of conflict between the Palestinians and the New Yishuv, persisting well into the latter half of the 20th century."
I added explicit mention of the region "Palestine" since, although Zionism was not always 100% focused on Palestine, the eventual focus on Palestine is most relevant to this article. DMH223344 ( talk) 20:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
"its policy of employing exclusively Jewish ‘labour’ and excluding the indigenous inhabitants from the Jewish economy and land purchased by the Jewish National Fund, were linked in the minds of David Ben-Gurion and other Mapai leaders with the concept of ‘transfer’ as a key component of Zionist ideology and strategy (Masalha 1992: 22–3). Therefore it is precisely these distinct features of the Zionist colonisation of Palestine, the ‘exclusive’ nature of the European Yishuv and creation of a pure Zionist colony, which led to the destruction of Palestine and the Nakba; as we will see below, Zionist ‘ethnic cleansing’ and the premisses of ‘maximum land and minimum Arab’, and Arab ‘transfer’, led to the massive Zionist ‘territorial expansion’ in and conquest of Palestine (from 6.6 per cent in 1947 to 78 per cent by early 1949)."DMH223344 ( talk) 17:32, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
"Additionally, a separate Jewish-controlled sector of the economy was created through the exclusion of Arab labor from Jewish-owned firms under the slogan of “Avoda ivrit,” Hebrew labor, and the injection of truly massive amounts of capital from abroad.16 By the middle of the 1930s, although Jews were still a minority of the population, this largely autonomous sector was bigger than the Arab-owned part of the economy."
"During the 1930s the Jewish economy in Palestine overtook the Arab sector for the first time, and the Jewish population grew to more than 30 percent of the total by 1939. In light of fast economic growth and this rapid population shift over only seven years, combined with considerable expansion of the Zionist movement’s military capacities, it became clear to its leaders that the demographic, economic, territorial, and military nucleus necessary for achieving domination over the entire country, or most of it, would soon be in place. As Ben-Gurion put it at the time, “immigration at the rate of 60,000 a year means a Jewish state in all Palestine.”52 Many Palestinians came to similar conclusions."DMH223344 ( talk) 17:36, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
The Jewish settlement, the Yishuv, became a separate economic entity.DMH223344 ( talk) 17:38, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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I started a topic a week ago, but really, I put my point across very poorly. Homer noted: "Zionism isn't just the result of anti-Semitism," which is true, but it certainly was the events in Europe, especially in Eastern Europe, which were the catalyst for modern Zionist organization in the latter 19th century, and implementing action for the actual Jewish immigration to Palestine that followed. Catalyst is the key word.
What do you guys think? I'm not quite sure how to word it, but I feel it's relevant enough to Israel's history to warrant mention in the lead. It's just how to compress the pogroms, persecutions, five waves of immigration (first Aliyah is of course most relevant here) into one sentence, which is difficult. Michael0986 ( talk) 00:35, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
So the factoid that "Israel is the only democracy in the middle-east" has been squirted into the lead, which is of course blatantly incorrect as worded, given the existence of Egypt, Iraq and Turkey in the geographical Middle East. If there are further criteria here, such as the only democracy approved of by US and other Western think tanks, then this needs clarifying. The whole thing also needs supporting in the body, where it is entirely absent, per MOS:LEAD. Iskandar323 ( talk) 15:55, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
Original heading: In light of the UN taking two months to acknowledge the crimes committed upon Israeli civilians..
I think we better rethink what message is being conveyed in the lead, in regards to one side "violating human rights", and committing "war crimes", while no mention of the crimes committed by the other side.
I think a can of worms is being opened up in the lead guys, seriously. Because then we must present Israel's POV, and then, which side is right, which side is worse, atrocities have been committed on both sides. So my suggestion is, shorten the sentence to: Israel's actions in its occupation of the Palestinian territories have drawn international criticism from the UN, or we must also present Israel's POV in the lead. Because it cannot be left simply as it is. Michael0986 ( talk) 00:05, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
I think we better rethink what message is being conveyed in the lead, in regards to one side "violating human rights", and committing "war crimes", while no mention of the crimes committed by the other side.
There will be an opportunity for editors to opine on this in an upcoming RFC.
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Should the existing lead sentence "Israel's practices, in the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn international condemnation for violating the human rights of Palestinians." be amended?
Option 1 Include a linked references to war crimes.
(Example "Israel's practices, in the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn internationalcondemnation for violating the human rights of Palestinians.criticism, along with accusations that it has committed war crimes."
Option 2 Include linked references to war crimes and crimes against humanity
(Example "Israel's practices, in the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn internationalcondemnation for violating the human rights of Palestinians.criticism, along with accusations that it has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity"
Option 3 No change to existing wording.
This draft assumes that the existing wording has consensus. Comments on the draft? Selfstudier ( talk) 13:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Israel's policies and practices within and outside the occupied Palestinian territories have drawn sustained international criticism, with human rights organizations and United Nations officials alleging that it has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity) as a fourth option? Understandable if you're concerned about WP:RFCBRIEF, though.
Draft RFC (Mawer10 version)
Opttions:
1) mention the Palestinian territories and human rights violations
(Israel's policies and actions on the occupied Palestinian territories have drawn international criticism for violating the human rights of Palestinians, along with accusations that it has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity by human rights organizations and UN officials.
2) Mention the Palestinian territories, and no mention human rights violations
(Israel's policies and actions on the occupied Palestinian territories have drawn international criticismfor violating the human rights of Palestinians, along with accusations that it has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity by human rights organizations and UN officials.
3) No mention of the Palestinian territories and human rights violations
(Israel's policies and actions on the occupiedPalestinianterritories have drawn international criticismfor violating the human rights of Palestinians, along with accusations that it has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity by human rights organizations and UN officials.
4) actions in and outside the territories, no mention of human rights violation
(Israel's policies and actions within and outside the occupied Palestinian territories have drawn international criticism, with human rights organizations and UN officials alleging that it has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity.
The options assume that there is consensus to include the mention of accusations of both war crimes and crimes against humanity, and attribution of the accusations to UN officials and human rights organizations. Mawer10 ( talk) 14:15, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Draft RfC (WillowCity version)
Should the existing lead sentence "Israel's practices, in the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn international condemnation for violating the human rights of Palestinians." be amended?
Option 1) no change to the existing wording.
Option 2) mention the occupation, actions, and accusations of war crimes:
Israel's actions, in the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn sustained internationalcondemnation for violating the human rights of Palestinians.criticism, along with accusations that it has committed war crimes.
Option 3) mention actions and accusations of war crimes and crimes against humanity, with attribution:
Israel's actionsin the longest military occupation in modern historyhave drawn sustained internationalcondemnation for violating the human rights of Palestinianscriticism, along with accusations that it has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity by human rights organizations and UN officials.
Option 4) mention the practices, policies, and accusations of war crimes and crimes against humanity, noting the occupation, with attribution:
Israel's policies and practices within and outside the occupied Palestinian territories have drawn sustained international criticism, with human rights organizations and UN officials alleging that it has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity.
(this is an attempt to synthesize the two drafts above, with the aim of encouraging further development and synthesis. Focused comments welcome as always.) WillowCity (talk) 16:47, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Draft RFC (selfstudier version 2)
Should the existing lead sentence "Israel's practices, in the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn international condemnation for violating the human rights of Palestinians." be amended?
Option 1 No change to existing wording.
Option 2 Yes (select the parts a, b, c, d of the sentence "(a)Israel's policies have drawn international criticism,(b) with accusations by human rights organizations and UN officials(c) that it has committed war crimes (d) and crimes against humanity.")
Example: A !vote of 2bd would signify a sentence similar to "Israel is accused by human rights organizations and UN officials of crimes against humanity." Selfstudier ( talk) 19:58, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
This is too convoluted to result in a change. If you want an RFC, do it like this:
Should the sentence Israel's practices, in the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn international condemnation for violating the human rights of Palestinians.
be changed to any of the following options:
Israel's practices in its occupation of the Palestinian territories have drawn sustained international criticism along with accusations that is has commited war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Palestinian people from human rights organizations and United Nations officials.
Israel's actions in its occupation of the Palestinian territories have drawn international criticism from the UN
Israel's policies and actions on the occupied Palestinian territories have drawn international criticism [for violating the human rights of Palestinians], along with accusations that it has committed war crimes and crimes against humanity by human rights organizations and UN officials.(or whichever version Mawer actually support)
If Mawer10 or WillowCity wants to propose a (singular) sentence to include in the options they should do so. If anybody else does, they should do so. But make this a choice between the options, and not some competing rfc proposal set. The question is how should this sentence change. The options are all of the options that have some serious chance at gaining consensus. Thats how you start an rfc that actually is focused and has better than a snowball's chance in not ending in no consensus. nableezy - 17:02, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Israel's actions in its occupation of the Palestinian territories have drawn international criticism from the UNHomerethegreat ( talk) 13:57, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
@ Mawer10:, Im going to open up an RFC shortly, could you please clarify if want what is listed as option 4 included? Or if there is some other option you would like to replace it with? nableezy - 19:32, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Hey , some editors have complained about the population number. “The conflict resulted in the expulsion or flight of over 700,000 Palestinian Arabs from Israeli territory to neighboring countries, over eighty percent of the total. Over the next two decades after its independence, the majority of Jews from the Arab world emigrated, fled, or were expelled, with Israel absorbing approximately 650,000 of them.”
It can be replace with “The conflict resulted in the expulsion or flight of most of Palestinian which led to Jewish majority in Israeli territory”
Also about Jewish immigrants from Islamic countries I think it quite absurd to cover only one immigration out of many, I also read that most of immigrants in that years wasn’t from Islamic countries they were mostly European immigrant and also from South America.
In the late 19th century emerged Zionism, a movement advocating for the establishment of a Jewish homeland, [prompting waves of Jewish immigrants to Palestine]. Under the British Mandate placed by the League of Nations after World War I, Jewish immigration increased considerably, leading to tensions between Jews and the Arab majority population.” We don't need to mention specific aliyahs here, Jewish immigration during the mandate is definitely the most important to Israel's creation.
@ Mawer10 I think that we simply should not mention specifically the immigration from Islamic countries, as Nableezy said, the numbers are not accurate and besides, it is not possible to mention only one Jewish immigration among many, it is subject to dispute whether that Jewish immigration from Muslim country is the most important and also chronologically it does not work out. I think an appropriate wording the anyone can understand and agree on could be "the conflict resulted in the expulsion or flight of most of the Palestinians which led to Jewish majority in Israel territory" what do you think? Qplb191 ( talk) 09:55, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
Hey @ Mawer10 do you agree with “the conflict resulted the explosion or fled of most of the Palestinians” instead of the crunnet version? Qplb191 ( talk) 14:01, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
1) “The conflict resulted in the expulsion or flight of most of Palestinian which led to Jewish majority in Israeli territory” 2) '"as a result of the conflict most of the Palestinians were expelled or fled, Israel absorbed Jewish immigrants which led to Jewish majority in Israel territory" And I have no problem with specifying Jewish immigration from Arab countries after mentioning the expulsion or flight of Palestinians. The current phrase in the lead is correct now, with the number 600,000. Mawer10 ( talk) 14:40, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
I think that sentence should read more neutral, something along the lines of: "Israel's practices in the longest military occupation in modern history have drawn international condemnation."
Something like that that would surely suffice, without being too inflammatory. Wiki editors know about balance, bias, and such things, so no need for lectures, and debates. There already is a link for the "international condemnation" page provided in the lead. Michael0986 ( talk) 22:00, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
The more I read over the lead, the more I feel the entire sentence that reads: "Israel's practices, in the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn international condemnation for violating the human rights of Palestinians" should be removed entirely. It may as well read: "The bad oppressing occupiers, Israel, are committing crimes against the Palestinian civilians." More or less, that seems to be what it insinuates. I'm not here to say Israel are evil, neither are you.
Should the viewpoint of the Israeli's on the matter, of why they feel the occupation is necessary also be in the lead? Where would it end? This is why, and you agree, the lead should be much more concise. Yes, it is current and hotly debated, but Wiki should always remain impartial. Michael0986 ( talk) 00:39, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
We had a much wider consensus on including the number of Palestinians expelled. Ive trimmed it slightly, but the number should remain because that number directly led to the Jewish majority in Israel proper. nableezy - 20:40, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
In 1945 there were about 900,000 Jews living in the Arab world." Jews constituted a stable and historic community in these countries, dating back at least 2,500 years, centuries before the time of Muhammad. Yet, between 1948 and 1997, this Jewish population dispersed: 608,799 Jews relocated to Israel, and an additional 260,000 Jewish refugees fled to Europe and the Americas.
In the 20th century, approximately 900,000 Jews migrated, fled, or were expelled from Muslim-majority countries throughout Africa and Asia. Primarily a consequence of the Israeli Declaration of Independence, the mass movement mainly transpired from 1948 to the early 1970s, with one final exodus of Iranian Jews occurring shortly after the Islamic Revolution in 1979–1980. An estimated 650,000 (72%) of these Jews resettled in Israel.Mawer10 ( talk) 22:20, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Over the next two decades after its independence, the majority of Jews from the Arab world emigrated, fled, or were expelled, with Israel absorbing approximately 650,000 of them. Do you see the problem? And do you see the timeframe? nableezy - 16:03, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
the nine hundred thousand Jews who were forced out of Arab countries have not been refugees for many years. Most of them, about 650,000, went to Israel because it was the only country that would admit them. I don't see the contradiction. Alaexis ¿question? 22:20, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
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Remove link Million_years_ago (under "History" section) Wholock3 ( talk) 04:37, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
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The area now know as Israel began being called Israel in 1948 - there were people called Israelites prior. The area was not known as Israel prior. 123.208.43.24 ( talk) 20:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
The late 19th century saw the rise of Zionism, a movement advocating for the establishment of a Jewish homeland, during which the Jewish people began purchasing land in Palestine.
i suggest changing this The late 19th century saw the rise of
Zionism, a movement advocating for the establishment of a
Jewish homeland, which was necessary for the Jews who survived the Holocaust. During which the Jewish people began legally buying land in Palestine.
Which was necessary for the Jews who survived the Holocaust. If this is not added I am confident that this is inciting Holocaust denial. Although this may seem like a jump to some It is true.
During which the Jewish people began legally buying land in Palestine. This is a important thing to mention as it may seem like the Jewish people illegally bought the land but the deals where all legal. DMPenguinTheJewishPenguin ( talk) 19:18, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
As a jew myself I find 03000, Ret. to be wrong. But I do not want to fight. nableezy' no this is not accurate. DMPenguinTheJewishPenguin ( talk) 20:58, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
I AM WRONG Holocuast was 20th century. I AM ONLY 14 but MB. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DMPenguin ( talk • contribs) 21:28, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
The purchase of land by Jews was not in the introduction previously; it was introduced into the text on October 14 and removed on December 1 with a valid argument, but was added again later. It would be more relevant to mention what led to the rise of Zionism, as suggested by Michael0986 earlier. Mawer10 ( talk) 22:40, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
I noticed this claim in the article doesn't seem to have a citation.
"Jews from Europe and the former Soviet Union and their descendants born in Israel, including Ashkenazi Jews, constitute approximately 50% of Jewish Israelis."
This seems to contradict the Demographics of Israel article, which puts the number at 31.8%. TIA Aaronak ( talk) 23:59, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
The pie chart of religious groups does not correlate with the figures given below it, nor the pie chart given in the source material. 2A00:23C6:4937:5F01:CDB:6B80:E1CD:2D2E ( talk) 12:12, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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In the section Real Estate, it says "Housing prices in Israel are listed in the top third, with an average of 150 salaries required to buy an apartment." Just saying "top third" is confusing, it should be changed to "top third of all countries" (as the source claims) or something similar. I can do stuff! ( talk) 22:59, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
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Could someone add Israel's governments and elections over the last 20 years so as to include information outside of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Watch Atlas791 ( talk) 00:54, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Since the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Israel has signed peace treaties with Egypt, returning the Sinai Peninsula, and with Jordan, and more recently normalized relations with several Arab countries. However, efforts to resolve the Israeli–Palestinian conflict have not succeeded.Israel's practices, in the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn international condemnation for violating the human rights of the Palestinians.
succeeded.Israel's practices
Need a space after "succeeded." 675930s ( talk) 02:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
I added this sentence to the lede. If someone has a problem with its wording, feel free to change it, and if you dispute that the war should be mentioned in the lede at all, please discuss it here.
However, efforts to resolve the Israeli–Palestinian conflict have not succeeded, with an ongoing war against Palestinian militant groups in the Gaza Strip occurring since 2023.
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I want to request an edit to this arcticle
“During Roman rule, Jews became a minority in Palestine.” This sentence is inaccurate and misleading. I recommend clarifying it: “During the Roman rule, the Jewish majority in the region faced persecution, leading to their becoming a minority, and the land was subsequently renamed from 'Judea' to 'Syria Palestine.'" 66.81.170.162 ( talk) 00:23, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
here is the revert I am proposing we undo. The changes made would be:
@ Qplb191 DMH43 ( talk) 18:34, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi, before adding things related to war/conflict, it is customary to open a discussion on the talk page before adding them, you didn't get a consensus for the changes you made. Qplb191 ( talk) 19:24, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
The below is the most “meta” summary of this question I have seen – i.e. that different voices classify it differently.
Israel is classified by some as an apartheid regime that can only be democratized through boycotts and sanctions, while others believe it is a stable liberal democracy, flourishing despite extreme conditions. How do observations of a single case lead to such contradictory classifications and interpretations of a regime? This chapter offers an overview of how the Israeli regime is classified, addressing two fundamental issues in the debate over its suitable classification: the definition of democracy and the parameters of the unit of analysis. This chapter also examines how Israel is categorized in cross-national regime indexes, demonstrating that such indexes cannot be exploited to bypass the dispute about the regime classification. In so doing, it exposes the limits of restricting the focus to the classification of the Israel regime, arguing that this debate can never be conclusively resolved.
This is a good source to underpin the stated difference of opinion on this core matter in the lede. Onceinawhile ( talk) 13:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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more information, Israel, and Gaza have had occupations, and this is the first signed war by the government to ever occur between Gaza (hamas) and Israel כותבתומתכנת ( talk) 19:18, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Mandatory Palestine was not a country, it was part of the British Empire. As a result, "Independence from Mandatory Palestine" should be changed to "Independence from the United Kingdom." Iraq, which was known as Mandatory Iraq, uses "Independence from the United Kingdom." Why should Israel be any different? GamerKiller2347 ( talk) 22:36, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Which English do most Israeli pages use? British English? American English? Both? Is one preferred? Iljhgtn ( talk) 01:29, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Is this bold sentence to be added to the lede an accurate summarization of the article's apartheid accusations section (noting that the lede serves as a summary of body, including any prominent controversies, per MOS:LEDE)?
"Israel's practices in its occupation of the Palestinian territories, the longest military occupation in modern history, have drawn condemnation for violating the human rights of the Palestinians, including the accusation that the state is committing the crime of apartheid." Makeandtoss ( talk) 13:15, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Please note that this RFC is being reopened after two months since a previous one, in which multiple editors were canvassed to the discussion, and ArbCom has taken action against them. All editors are welcome to join this discussion, but they must disclose if they have been canvassed here, and are kindly reminded that this article is a contentious topic lying under ARBPIA3, and thus subject to certain sanctions. Makeandtoss ( talk) 13:20, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Comment: Not voting for or against, but would it be possible to add “in the occupied territories” to the end of your proposed sentence to clarify? I think the apartheid accusation is mostly for West Bank, not Israel proper? Wafflefrites ( talk) 14:53, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Comment This is at least in part related to the not yet closed #RFC on human rights language in lead above. Selfstudier ( talk) 15:13, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Comment Grounds for reopening a well discussed closed RFC that involved dozens of editors on the basis of a ArbCom action against three people (only one of which had any measurable contribution to the previous RFC) is specious at best. These are not appropriate grounds to reopen this. Mistamystery ( talk) 18:22, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Comment - I didn't comment on the last RFC, but it was closed in December. There hasn't been enough time to justify bringing this up again. This RFC should be withdrawn. Nemov ( talk) 01:52, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Comment Thinking about it some more, I would prefer to wait until we know more about the two matters currently at the ICJ in relation to the occupation and the accusation of genocide, perhaps the proposed statement will turn out to require amending and I see no harm in waiting for a short while. Selfstudier ( talk) 10:05, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
just another opinion to add to the list. The outcome is extremely relevant in this case, because — even though it isn't directly ruling on an accusation of apartheid — no matter which way the court rules, the ruling will probably influence the discussion about Israel–Palestine and possible human rights violations in all areas, not just genocide (among them the accusation of apartheid). TucanHolmes ( talk) 17:55, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
the ruling will probably influence the discussion about Israel–Palestine and possible human rights violations in all areas, that needs someone with expertise backing it up, since from the sources in our article the analysis beforehand seemed pretty clear (and indeed results show) that the court isn't making any dramatically new decision. What may be more interesting is their upcoming advisory opinion, should they actually choose to address apartheid as a legal question (which as it is not specified, they probably(?) won't). SamuelRiv ( talk) 01:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Well, one leg is in, the genocide case, and that would seem supportive of some hr language, we might as well wait for the 1 month "report back" thing and the second case re the occupation and then see where we are. Selfstudier ( talk) 19:11, 31 January 2024 (UTC) The sourcing on human rights abuse/war crimes/potential genocide just keeps rolling in. The one month "report" is looking like Israel's idea of a joke, we'll see what the court says about it. And the apartheid accusations are piling up as well. Options 2 and 4 in the ongoing RFC are beginning to look like an understatement. Selfstudier ( talk) 18:01, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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“Coastal areas, such as those of Tel Aviv and Haifa, have a typical Mediterranean climate with” mild winters. Not cool
Winters are very mild, with night temperatures usually around 14 and days of 21° + דולב חולב ( talk) 16:22, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Change: "The late 19th century saw the rise of Zionism, a movement advocating for the establishment of a Jewish homeland. Under the British Mandate placed by the League of Nations after World War I, Jewish immigration to the region increased considerably leading to intercommunal conflict between Jews and the Arab majority."
It's inaccurate to say that the immigration by itself led to intercommunal conflict. We should at least mention that origins of this conflict (as described by morris) were a result of fears of exclusion and dispossession:
"The late 19th century saw the rise of Zionism, a movement advocating for the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Under the British Mandate, which was established by the League of Nations following World War I, Jewish immigration increased considerably. Concurrently, a separate economy controlled by the Jewish community was also established. The Palestinian population's growing fear of displacement and dispossession would be the primary source of conflict between the Palestinians and the New Yishuv, persisting well into the latter half of the 20th century."
I added explicit mention of the region "Palestine" since, although Zionism was not always 100% focused on Palestine, the eventual focus on Palestine is most relevant to this article. DMH223344 ( talk) 20:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
"its policy of employing exclusively Jewish ‘labour’ and excluding the indigenous inhabitants from the Jewish economy and land purchased by the Jewish National Fund, were linked in the minds of David Ben-Gurion and other Mapai leaders with the concept of ‘transfer’ as a key component of Zionist ideology and strategy (Masalha 1992: 22–3). Therefore it is precisely these distinct features of the Zionist colonisation of Palestine, the ‘exclusive’ nature of the European Yishuv and creation of a pure Zionist colony, which led to the destruction of Palestine and the Nakba; as we will see below, Zionist ‘ethnic cleansing’ and the premisses of ‘maximum land and minimum Arab’, and Arab ‘transfer’, led to the massive Zionist ‘territorial expansion’ in and conquest of Palestine (from 6.6 per cent in 1947 to 78 per cent by early 1949)."DMH223344 ( talk) 17:32, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
"Additionally, a separate Jewish-controlled sector of the economy was created through the exclusion of Arab labor from Jewish-owned firms under the slogan of “Avoda ivrit,” Hebrew labor, and the injection of truly massive amounts of capital from abroad.16 By the middle of the 1930s, although Jews were still a minority of the population, this largely autonomous sector was bigger than the Arab-owned part of the economy."
"During the 1930s the Jewish economy in Palestine overtook the Arab sector for the first time, and the Jewish population grew to more than 30 percent of the total by 1939. In light of fast economic growth and this rapid population shift over only seven years, combined with considerable expansion of the Zionist movement’s military capacities, it became clear to its leaders that the demographic, economic, territorial, and military nucleus necessary for achieving domination over the entire country, or most of it, would soon be in place. As Ben-Gurion put it at the time, “immigration at the rate of 60,000 a year means a Jewish state in all Palestine.”52 Many Palestinians came to similar conclusions."DMH223344 ( talk) 17:36, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
The Jewish settlement, the Yishuv, became a separate economic entity.DMH223344 ( talk) 17:38, 3 March 2024 (UTC)