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Removing specific details to the main article and making this a summary style section with just enough information to provide context. The sources provided by Benji above will be used also, so consider them included. First draft, changes and comments encouraged. - Becksguy ( talk) 22:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
There has been a recent crackdown in Iran against LGBT persons as reported by the Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, and in Esfahān in particular because, according to the Gay City News, "Esfahan is Iran's third largest city, with a population of 1,600,000, and is also home to one of Iran's most important nuclear facilities, and thus is under tight police control and surveillance." There have been several events since May 2007 in which many men suspected of being gay or dressing in womens clothes were severely beaten and/or arrested by police and paramilitary forces. [1]
“ | Joe Stork, deputy director of the Middle East division of Human Rights Watch, noted that the Esfahan raid came as the regime of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was conducting a new campaign against “immoral behavior,” begun in April, that includes a stringent crackdown on women who violate rigorous Islamic dress codes. According to Iran’s semi-official Mehr News Agency, police said on April 25 that 150,000 people had been detained so far in this campaign. On May 13, police told the same news agency that 17,000 people had been stopped and interrogated at Iranian airports since the campaign began, of whom 850 women had been detained and released only after signing
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Here is a very interesting documentary (in Eglish) about the Armenian churches/convents in Jolfa, Esfahan. Perhaps someone should sort out the copyright status of this video (whose duration is 30 minutes) and possibly include a link to it in the main page. --BF 01:29, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move
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WP:NCGN tells us that the article name should be the widely accepted English name. I cannot find one source in English (other than WP and sources obviously derived from WP) which calls the city Esfahān. All call it Esfahan or (probably more commonly) Isfahan. Unless someone can come up with a source for the assertion that Esfahān is the most widely accepted name in English, I am proposing to move the article to Esfahan. Mhockey ( talk) 19:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
1. I do not see anything in WP:NCGN which says you should use a transliteration where there is a widely accepted English spelling. In fact, it says the opposite:
When a widely accepted English name, in a modern context, exists for a place, we should use it.
"Proper transliteration" is in any case a nebulous concept. There are several different transliteration systems for Persian. Isfahan, Esfahan, Esfahān and Eṣfahān are all really transliterations - the first two in systems which do not distinguish long and short vowels, the third in the preferred modern system (but which does not enable you to reconstruct the Persian script), and the fourth used mostly in academic texts. Both the first two are widely used as names for the city in English texts. The Library of Congress country study prefers Esfahan, and a quick Google search suggest that it is widely used. But I agree with you that Isfahan is more common, and I would be happy with that as the title.
2. Diacritics are part of spelling - at least that is what the article on spelling says, and I agree with that. We use Düsseldorf, but not Montréal or İstanbul, as article titles because we use the most widely accepted version used in English texts (I think the umlaut is widely used in English texts, although that is a more marginal case than most). The failed proposal you mention does not apply to transliteration systems - and the only way it differs from WP:NCGN seems to be to avoid diacritics in article titles where it is not clear what "common usage" is. That is not the case here - it is pretty clear that common usage in English is not to use ā in writing Esfahan. Mhockey ( talk) 09:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Esfahan. Since you had some involvement with the Esfahan redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Thryduulf ( talk) 23:45, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
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Isfahan → Esfahan — The Esfahan pronounce is correcter. Javadz 1385 ( talk) 18:36, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
The same is said about Mashhad -- 88.79.103.58 ( talk) 15:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
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People who live in Isfahan are called ‘Isfshani’, they are famous for meddling. They talk in Persian but have very unique accent which is very sweet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.201.227.42 ( talk) 16:38, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
The article says the metro "is planned to be finished by end of 2010." Can somebody please update this very stale information? Paulburnett ( talk) 18:21, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
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hello Pahlevun prostitutes belong in economy https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Isfahan&diff=979907351&oldid=979881663
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In an interview with 300 prostitutes in Isfahan, about 80% of these women agreed they do so due to emotional emptiness and lack of sexual satisfaction. [1]
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Fix dead links says amp links are in this page but i deleted them and still get the error https://iabot.toolforge.org/index.php?page=runbotsingle&pagesearch=Isfahan Baratiiman ( talk) 11:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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I removed whatever amp was in here web archive still not working Baratiiman ( talk) 13:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Isfahan&diff=980612082&oldid=980611733 Þjarkur
Baratiiman ( talk) 13:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
the god forsaken species is named isfahan im pretty sure isfahan means city not the province it deserves to be in this page ? Nick Moyes Baratiiman ( talk) 07:39, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
These two sources have been removed from a section called "fashion" which did not actually say anything about fashion, and which contained no information supported by any sources. I removed the section diff of my edit, but the sources might be useful: the first one is about production of knitwear and the second one about textile/clothing industry. There was no bibliographical info and no attempt to format the citations in the article, so I'm afraid these are just bare URLs – and note that I have no opinion on whether the sources are reliable.
-- bonadea contributions talk 14:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
They are all in both links except for the last sentence which is from a link in the economy section either that or i lost a link Baratiiman ( talk) 14:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Bonadea i aint know english expert but i can read grammar and my opinion is google translate Farsi to English is 99% accurate and clothing and fashion are the same thing youre a linguist not fashion expert /info/en/?search=Fashion#Fashion_industry the bare URLS were not a problem in wikipedia before you said this Baratiiman ( talk) 15:46, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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do you know what redlinks are for? encourage creating them Bonadea also the shahraks are under the city municipality and their pages are way outdated and incorrect Baratiiman ( talk) 08:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC) /info/en/?search=Jey_Rural_District Mahmudabad_Rural_District_(Isfahan_Province)
Baratiiman ( talk) 08:55, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
bonadea i do redlinks is because they take like 5 minutes to bring from farsi to english when you are an admin 5 months when you are not an admin. https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%82%D8%AA%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%AF_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%81%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86 https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%87%D9%86%DA%AF_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%81%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86 Baratiiman ( talk) 09:38, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Zangoose&SeviperMan4055reason for this https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Isfahan&diff=980977823&oldid=980974513 Baratiiman ( talk) 15:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Ohnoitsjamie"section doesnt make sense" And why is that?that is a well studied potential for tourism program https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Isfahan&diff=980991139&oldid=980978579 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Isfahan&diff=981008442&oldid=981008372 if you are an admin why dont you use that access to make Isfahan economy to shorten this page Baratiiman ( talk) 11:35, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
The article had too many small sections, which I've started to reorganize into prose per WP:PROSE. For reference Karaj and Mashhad are articles about cities in Iran of a similar size, and are more appropriately organized. I've also removed the main gallery, which is an indiscriminate collection of images per WP:GALLERY, and moved some of the photos into smaller organized galleries in history subsections. OhNoitsJamie Talk 13:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::{{|Ohnoitsjamie}}there was no cost of living subheading in those ancient cities pages.im shocked Baratiiman ( talk) 18:08, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Bonadea where do you think is the place for ref for attacks? https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Isfahan&diff=981124228&oldid=981123881 Baratiiman ( talk) 10:35, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Ohnoitsjamie Isfahan rug headnote belongs in economy does it not? https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Isfahan&diff=981133041&oldid=981132953 Baratiiman ( talk) 10:42, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
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Bonadea i copied the exact text from source the source says it grows in the city? Baratiiman ( talk) 12:01, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
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Removing specific details to the main article and making this a summary style section with just enough information to provide context. The sources provided by Benji above will be used also, so consider them included. First draft, changes and comments encouraged. - Becksguy ( talk) 22:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
There has been a recent crackdown in Iran against LGBT persons as reported by the Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, and in Esfahān in particular because, according to the Gay City News, "Esfahan is Iran's third largest city, with a population of 1,600,000, and is also home to one of Iran's most important nuclear facilities, and thus is under tight police control and surveillance." There have been several events since May 2007 in which many men suspected of being gay or dressing in womens clothes were severely beaten and/or arrested by police and paramilitary forces. [1]
“ | Joe Stork, deputy director of the Middle East division of Human Rights Watch, noted that the Esfahan raid came as the regime of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was conducting a new campaign against “immoral behavior,” begun in April, that includes a stringent crackdown on women who violate rigorous Islamic dress codes. According to Iran’s semi-official Mehr News Agency, police said on April 25 that 150,000 people had been detained so far in this campaign. On May 13, police told the same news agency that 17,000 people had been stopped and interrogated at Iranian airports since the campaign began, of whom 850 women had been detained and released only after signing
“commitment letters,” while another 130 faced prosecution.
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Here is a very interesting documentary (in Eglish) about the Armenian churches/convents in Jolfa, Esfahan. Perhaps someone should sort out the copyright status of this video (whose duration is 30 minutes) and possibly include a link to it in the main page. --BF 01:29, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move
Anthony Appleyard (
talk) 09:22, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
WP:NCGN tells us that the article name should be the widely accepted English name. I cannot find one source in English (other than WP and sources obviously derived from WP) which calls the city Esfahān. All call it Esfahan or (probably more commonly) Isfahan. Unless someone can come up with a source for the assertion that Esfahān is the most widely accepted name in English, I am proposing to move the article to Esfahan. Mhockey ( talk) 19:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
1. I do not see anything in WP:NCGN which says you should use a transliteration where there is a widely accepted English spelling. In fact, it says the opposite:
When a widely accepted English name, in a modern context, exists for a place, we should use it.
"Proper transliteration" is in any case a nebulous concept. There are several different transliteration systems for Persian. Isfahan, Esfahan, Esfahān and Eṣfahān are all really transliterations - the first two in systems which do not distinguish long and short vowels, the third in the preferred modern system (but which does not enable you to reconstruct the Persian script), and the fourth used mostly in academic texts. Both the first two are widely used as names for the city in English texts. The Library of Congress country study prefers Esfahan, and a quick Google search suggest that it is widely used. But I agree with you that Isfahan is more common, and I would be happy with that as the title.
2. Diacritics are part of spelling - at least that is what the article on spelling says, and I agree with that. We use Düsseldorf, but not Montréal or İstanbul, as article titles because we use the most widely accepted version used in English texts (I think the umlaut is widely used in English texts, although that is a more marginal case than most). The failed proposal you mention does not apply to transliteration systems - and the only way it differs from WP:NCGN seems to be to avoid diacritics in article titles where it is not clear what "common usage" is. That is not the case here - it is pretty clear that common usage in English is not to use ā in writing Esfahan. Mhockey ( talk) 09:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Esfahan. Since you had some involvement with the Esfahan redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Thryduulf ( talk) 23:45, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was Not moved. – Juliancolton | Talk 16:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Isfahan → Esfahan — The Esfahan pronounce is correcter. Javadz 1385 ( talk) 18:36, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
The same is said about Mashhad -- 88.79.103.58 ( talk) 15:03, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
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People who live in Isfahan are called ‘Isfshani’, they are famous for meddling. They talk in Persian but have very unique accent which is very sweet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.201.227.42 ( talk) 16:38, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
The article says the metro "is planned to be finished by end of 2010." Can somebody please update this very stale information? Paulburnett ( talk) 18:21, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
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hello Pahlevun prostitutes belong in economy https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Isfahan&diff=979907351&oldid=979881663
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In an interview with 300 prostitutes in Isfahan, about 80% of these women agreed they do so due to emotional emptiness and lack of sexual satisfaction. [1]
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Fix dead links says amp links are in this page but i deleted them and still get the error https://iabot.toolforge.org/index.php?page=runbotsingle&pagesearch=Isfahan Baratiiman ( talk) 11:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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I removed whatever amp was in here web archive still not working Baratiiman ( talk) 13:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Isfahan&diff=980612082&oldid=980611733 Þjarkur
Baratiiman ( talk) 13:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
the god forsaken species is named isfahan im pretty sure isfahan means city not the province it deserves to be in this page ? Nick Moyes Baratiiman ( talk) 07:39, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
These two sources have been removed from a section called "fashion" which did not actually say anything about fashion, and which contained no information supported by any sources. I removed the section diff of my edit, but the sources might be useful: the first one is about production of knitwear and the second one about textile/clothing industry. There was no bibliographical info and no attempt to format the citations in the article, so I'm afraid these are just bare URLs – and note that I have no opinion on whether the sources are reliable.
-- bonadea contributions talk 14:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
They are all in both links except for the last sentence which is from a link in the economy section either that or i lost a link Baratiiman ( talk) 14:54, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Bonadea i aint know english expert but i can read grammar and my opinion is google translate Farsi to English is 99% accurate and clothing and fashion are the same thing youre a linguist not fashion expert /info/en/?search=Fashion#Fashion_industry the bare URLS were not a problem in wikipedia before you said this Baratiiman ( talk) 15:46, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
Baratiiman ( talk) 15:23, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
do you know what redlinks are for? encourage creating them Bonadea also the shahraks are under the city municipality and their pages are way outdated and incorrect Baratiiman ( talk) 08:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC) /info/en/?search=Jey_Rural_District Mahmudabad_Rural_District_(Isfahan_Province)
Baratiiman ( talk) 08:55, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
bonadea i do redlinks is because they take like 5 minutes to bring from farsi to english when you are an admin 5 months when you are not an admin. https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%82%D8%AA%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%AF_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%81%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86 https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%87%D9%86%DA%AF_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%81%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%86 Baratiiman ( talk) 09:38, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Zangoose&SeviperMan4055reason for this https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Isfahan&diff=980977823&oldid=980974513 Baratiiman ( talk) 15:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Ohnoitsjamie"section doesnt make sense" And why is that?that is a well studied potential for tourism program https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Isfahan&diff=980991139&oldid=980978579 https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Isfahan&diff=981008442&oldid=981008372 if you are an admin why dont you use that access to make Isfahan economy to shorten this page Baratiiman ( talk) 11:35, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
The article had too many small sections, which I've started to reorganize into prose per WP:PROSE. For reference Karaj and Mashhad are articles about cities in Iran of a similar size, and are more appropriately organized. I've also removed the main gallery, which is an indiscriminate collection of images per WP:GALLERY, and moved some of the photos into smaller organized galleries in history subsections. OhNoitsJamie Talk 13:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
::{{|Ohnoitsjamie}}there was no cost of living subheading in those ancient cities pages.im shocked Baratiiman ( talk) 18:08, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Bonadea where do you think is the place for ref for attacks? https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Isfahan&diff=981124228&oldid=981123881 Baratiiman ( talk) 10:35, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Ohnoitsjamie Isfahan rug headnote belongs in economy does it not? https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Isfahan&diff=981133041&oldid=981132953 Baratiiman ( talk) 10:42, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
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Bonadea i copied the exact text from source the source says it grows in the city? Baratiiman ( talk) 12:01, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
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Inviting contributions at 2023 Iran explosions 🍁🏳️🌈 DinoSoupCanada 🏳️🌈 🍁 ( talk) 00:53, 29 January 2023 (UTC)