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You have chosen a bad taken photo of Isabel II. What is the point having so many portraits. Is it an encyclopædia or what? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.253.96.133 ( talk) 15:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Has anybody else noticed that the English in this article is written in less than fluent English? I suggest that somebody who is more fluent go through the article (especially the opening paragraphs) and upgrade and clarify the language. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.67.39.67 ( talk) 13:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC).
I've done some editing for grammar and clarity. As grammar at a certain point involves style, I won't be offended if some edits are reversed, although clearly I believe the changes to be an improvement. The article has a fondness for long sentences with many commas; these are not grammatically incorrect but can be confusing. I haven't been able to fix all of these. Furthermore, some is difficult to understand with my very basic knowledge of Spanish history and the wording. For example, exactly what is meant by the "ambiguous friendship" Isabella maintained with her husband after her exile? These need to be addressed, but I can't do so. Alex60466176 ( talk) 01:50, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
There have been many women in history with that name and title:
— Iggynelix 21:05, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
as edited by Diamantina 07:28, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Did Queen Isabella II's husband become King Consort? If he did, was his reignal name Antonio I or Felipe VI? In addition, was Infante Luis(1867-1874) lastly born child, or were there more after him? If so, then please mention the last one, even if it was stillborn. -- Anglius 20:50, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
She really moves about. How about we just get rid of that Bourbon template monstrosity? -- Stbalbach 23:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Cosmos666 has added a box which shows Isabella's four grandparents and eight great-grandparents. This is certainly not usual for an encylopedia article (indeed, often not for a full-length book about the subject). I suggest removal. If not, what are the limits to this? Noel S McFerran 04:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Why the articles is "Isabella II of Spain" and not "Isabel II (of Spain)". Why is it "_Juan Carlos I" instead of "John Charles I"??-- Karljoos ( talk) 00:09, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
I think that Isabella is still a nice name though. Isabel could work too but that is how it is. My name is Portugese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.44.186 ( talk) 05:56, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
There is no good answer why some people, including the author of this article, decide to translate Isabel to Isabella. It makes no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OrodesIII ( talk • contribs) 23:11, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Isn't "Cortes Generales" a bit anachronistic for this era? Wouldn't it just have been "Cortes"? (I could be wrong; our article Cortes Generales deals only with the post-Franco institution, and I can't think of ever seeing the institution in the 19th century referred to in this manner.) - Jmabel | Talk 05:55, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
That's kind of misleading, since Juana la Loca was in basically the same situation (even if some of the technical details of her titles were a little different). AnonMoos ( talk) 12:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
In both this article and the one about Francis of Cadiz it says that they were double first cousins because there fathers were brothers and their mothers were sisters. It should also be mentioned that Francis was also her nephew because Isabelle's mother was the niece of Isabelle's father — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.127.106 ( talk) 16:12, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Michener in Iberia reckons the probable father of Alfonso XII was an American dentist called McKeon arguing that Puigmoltó was away on maneuvers at the relevant time. That's not a good enough source in itself but does any serious history address the possibility? SoulRebel56 ( talk) 14:50, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Was there ever a discussion to change the name to Isabel II? Nothing is changed since the page move.-- The Emperor's New Spy ( talk) 03:01, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. There is a strong English-commonname argument here, supported by many. A few opposers mention that "Isabel" was her real name, but that's overwhelmed by those pointing out that she is more commonly called Isabella. ( non-admin closure) Dicklyon ( talk) 03:07, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Isabel II of Spain →
Isabella II of Spain – I'm unsure about this. But I feel it should be Isabella based on consistency with
Isabella, Princess of Asturias (1851–1931) and
Isabella I of Castile and
Isabella Clara Eugenia, If there is an agreement that Isabel should be used instead for more contemporary Spanish royals it should still be decided based on a request move. --
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Since when is the age of two considered "infancy"? 23.121.160.252 ( talk) 23:02, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
I notice that the "three famous nevers of Marshall Prim" are so famous they don't even appear in the Wikipedia biography article on Marshall Prim. RichardBond ( talk) 05:04, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Opening discussion about whether Isabella II is the only queen regnant in the history of Spain and if so, since when, and how to phrase it. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 05:07, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
Isabella I was Queen regnant of only Castile (and Leon), from 1474 to 1504. While her daughter Joana, was separately Queen regnant of Castile (and Leon) from 1504 to 1555 & Aragon from 1516 to 1555, fwiw. GoodDay ( talk) 23:03, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
@Johnbod I am having trouble finding better sources than Britannica. Thinker78 (talk) 23:48, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
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Isabella II of Spain → Isabella II – Consistent with all of her successors (save for Amadeo I) and her predecessors Ferdinands VI and VII. Already a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Isabella II of Jerusalem is linked via hatnote. estar8806 ( talk) ★ 22:33, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) — Compassionate727 ( T· C) 01:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Isabella II → Isabel II – Per WP:PRECISE and WP:COMMONNAME. The Spanish version of her name is both unambiguous and more commonly used in reliable sources. Ngrams shows Isabel II is more commonly used than Isabella II, and "Isabella II" is ambiguous with Isabella II of Jerusalem. UmbrellaTheLeef ( talk) 15:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. 🌺 Cremastra ( talk) 18:44, 28 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BD2412 T 17:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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You have chosen a bad taken photo of Isabel II. What is the point having so many portraits. Is it an encyclopædia or what? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.253.96.133 ( talk) 15:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Has anybody else noticed that the English in this article is written in less than fluent English? I suggest that somebody who is more fluent go through the article (especially the opening paragraphs) and upgrade and clarify the language. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.67.39.67 ( talk) 13:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC).
I've done some editing for grammar and clarity. As grammar at a certain point involves style, I won't be offended if some edits are reversed, although clearly I believe the changes to be an improvement. The article has a fondness for long sentences with many commas; these are not grammatically incorrect but can be confusing. I haven't been able to fix all of these. Furthermore, some is difficult to understand with my very basic knowledge of Spanish history and the wording. For example, exactly what is meant by the "ambiguous friendship" Isabella maintained with her husband after her exile? These need to be addressed, but I can't do so. Alex60466176 ( talk) 01:50, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
There have been many women in history with that name and title:
— Iggynelix 21:05, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
as edited by Diamantina 07:28, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Did Queen Isabella II's husband become King Consort? If he did, was his reignal name Antonio I or Felipe VI? In addition, was Infante Luis(1867-1874) lastly born child, or were there more after him? If so, then please mention the last one, even if it was stillborn. -- Anglius 20:50, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
She really moves about. How about we just get rid of that Bourbon template monstrosity? -- Stbalbach 23:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Cosmos666 has added a box which shows Isabella's four grandparents and eight great-grandparents. This is certainly not usual for an encylopedia article (indeed, often not for a full-length book about the subject). I suggest removal. If not, what are the limits to this? Noel S McFerran 04:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Why the articles is "Isabella II of Spain" and not "Isabel II (of Spain)". Why is it "_Juan Carlos I" instead of "John Charles I"??-- Karljoos ( talk) 00:09, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
I think that Isabella is still a nice name though. Isabel could work too but that is how it is. My name is Portugese. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.44.186 ( talk) 05:56, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
There is no good answer why some people, including the author of this article, decide to translate Isabel to Isabella. It makes no sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OrodesIII ( talk • contribs) 23:11, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Isn't "Cortes Generales" a bit anachronistic for this era? Wouldn't it just have been "Cortes"? (I could be wrong; our article Cortes Generales deals only with the post-Franco institution, and I can't think of ever seeing the institution in the 19th century referred to in this manner.) - Jmabel | Talk 05:55, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
That's kind of misleading, since Juana la Loca was in basically the same situation (even if some of the technical details of her titles were a little different). AnonMoos ( talk) 12:21, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
In both this article and the one about Francis of Cadiz it says that they were double first cousins because there fathers were brothers and their mothers were sisters. It should also be mentioned that Francis was also her nephew because Isabelle's mother was the niece of Isabelle's father — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.127.106 ( talk) 16:12, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Michener in Iberia reckons the probable father of Alfonso XII was an American dentist called McKeon arguing that Puigmoltó was away on maneuvers at the relevant time. That's not a good enough source in itself but does any serious history address the possibility? SoulRebel56 ( talk) 14:50, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Was there ever a discussion to change the name to Isabel II? Nothing is changed since the page move.-- The Emperor's New Spy ( talk) 03:01, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. There is a strong English-commonname argument here, supported by many. A few opposers mention that "Isabel" was her real name, but that's overwhelmed by those pointing out that she is more commonly called Isabella. ( non-admin closure) Dicklyon ( talk) 03:07, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Isabel II of Spain →
Isabella II of Spain – I'm unsure about this. But I feel it should be Isabella based on consistency with
Isabella, Princess of Asturias (1851–1931) and
Isabella I of Castile and
Isabella Clara Eugenia, If there is an agreement that Isabel should be used instead for more contemporary Spanish royals it should still be decided based on a request move. --
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Since when is the age of two considered "infancy"? 23.121.160.252 ( talk) 23:02, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
I notice that the "three famous nevers of Marshall Prim" are so famous they don't even appear in the Wikipedia biography article on Marshall Prim. RichardBond ( talk) 05:04, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Opening discussion about whether Isabella II is the only queen regnant in the history of Spain and if so, since when, and how to phrase it. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 05:07, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
Isabella I was Queen regnant of only Castile (and Leon), from 1474 to 1504. While her daughter Joana, was separately Queen regnant of Castile (and Leon) from 1504 to 1555 & Aragon from 1516 to 1555, fwiw. GoodDay ( talk) 23:03, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
@Johnbod I am having trouble finding better sources than Britannica. Thinker78 (talk) 23:48, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
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Isabella II of Spain → Isabella II – Consistent with all of her successors (save for Amadeo I) and her predecessors Ferdinands VI and VII. Already a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Isabella II of Jerusalem is linked via hatnote. estar8806 ( talk) ★ 22:33, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) — Compassionate727 ( T· C) 01:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Isabella II → Isabel II – Per WP:PRECISE and WP:COMMONNAME. The Spanish version of her name is both unambiguous and more commonly used in reliable sources. Ngrams shows Isabel II is more commonly used than Isabella II, and "Isabella II" is ambiguous with Isabella II of Jerusalem. UmbrellaTheLeef ( talk) 15:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. 🌺 Cremastra ( talk) 18:44, 28 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BD2412 T 17:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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