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I think we should make this a redirect to Kurdistan (or the regional government). We used to have two articles, one for Southern Kurdistan and one for Kurdistan Autonomous Region, and it proved to be unworkable – there was too much overlap. On the other hand, Kurdistan has a lot of material specific to Iraqi Kurdistan. QuartierLatin 1968 18:55, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi QuartierLatin,
Southern Kurdistan is the same
Iraqi Kurdistan and it covers a larger area than
Kurdistan Autonomous Region does. I think it is a good idea to redirect it to
Kurdistan but if it is possible to the part of the article which is about Southern Kurdistan (i.e. middle of the page); is it possible?
Thank You. --
D
iyako
Talk
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19:20, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
This Revolution was the greatest Kurdish revolution and the most conclusive in the history of the Kurds, which ended as a result of the treasonous Algeria’s agreement between Iraq and Iran.
This really needs re-wording, as does a lot of the article, other than that, the article is looking quite nice :) - FrancisTyers 13:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
All, please see the discussion at Category talk:Kurdistan (Which articles should have the tag 'Category:Kurdistan'), and weigh-in if you like. Thanks, -- Moby 14:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Is this article about KRG or Iraqi-Kurdistan? Chaldean 03:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Since this is about the Kurdistan Regional Government it might as well carry that title. Objections? -- Cat chi? 08:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm honestly not sure whether you have paid any attention to what I wrote above, or had a look at the KRG website, so I won't waste my time repeating the same thing. Perhaps, however, if you're a visual learner, an illustrative table might help:
Regions governed | Governments | Areas included within region |
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Wales | Welsh Assembly Government | area of the thirteen traditional counties of Monmouthshire, Glamorgan, Carmarthenshire, Pembrokeshire, Cardiganshire, Brecknockshire, Radnorshire, Montgomeryshire, Denbighshire, Flintshire, Merionethshire, Caernarvonshire, and Anglesey |
Southern Sudan, 'New Sudan' |
Government of Southern Sudan (GoSS) | the territory of the former provinces of Bahr el Ghazal, Equatoria and Upper Nile |
Bavaria | Bavarian State Government (Bayerische Staatsregierung) | the area of the kingdom of Bavaria, less the Rheinpfalz |
Iraqi Kurdistan, 'Kurdistan' |
Kurdistan Regional Government | Iraq north of the Green Line, including all of the governorates of Suleymaniya, Erbil, and Dohuk (de jure and de facto) and sections of Ninawa, Ta'mim, and Diyala (de facto) |
The point being that regions and their governments aren't the same. They're not always even called by the same name.
The Iraqi Kurdistan region does have defined boundaries. In fact, they check your passport when you cross those boundaries, from what I hear. [3] [4]
Comparisons with Turkish and Iranian Kurdistan are completely unhelpful, because Turkish Kurdistan has no legal existence, defined boundaries, or constitutionally recognized autonomy, while the Iranian Kurdistan province is only a (non-autonomous) part of the informal region of 'Kurdistan' in Iran. It's much more fruitful to compare Iraqi Kurdistan with other regions that actually do have autonomy of one form or another.
I'm trying to follow your Anatolia analogy, but it just doesn't make sense to me. History of Turkey is a disambiguation page: it points you to History of the Turkish people, History of the Republic of Turkey, and History of Anatolia, among others. We are, however, in agreement that information concerning the political history of the KRG should be at Kurdistan Regional Government until it grows worthy of a separate history of the Kurdistan Regional Government article.
Your ideas for changing, moving, or reorganizing the articles on
Kurdistan,
Turkish Kurdistan,
Iranian Kurdistan sound fine, but what relevance do they have here?
Quartier
Latin1968
20:27, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I have updated the Infobox, added more information to it and also the coding for this new Infobox is much easier. The old one was just a table made into an Infobox, but this new one is the right Infobox for this article, compare them side by side the old one and my new one. And this new Infobox looks much better than the old one. Comments and suggestions are welcomed. -- D.Kurdistani 03:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Infobox be at the Kurdistan Regional Government page? Chaldean 02:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
What is the new army they are talking about in media: the Armed Forces of Kurdistan? Should this be mentioned in the article? Samrendshere 00:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I read in the article that, official name of Northern Iraq Kurdish federal region is Kurdistan-Iraq not Iraqi Kurdistan, we should also use this name. For example, for Burma article's name is Myanmar, which is the official name of Burma. Ayasi 23:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I found this news story "Iraq protests Turkey's cross-border shelling" from Sunday, June 10, 2007 but I'm not sure what article it should be included in. Seems pretty note-worthy its at http://www.sundaytimes.lk/070610/International/i503.html It begins with "The Iraqi Foreign Ministry today issued a formal protest to Turkey over the cross-border shelling into northern Iraq."
Events that happened prior to regions recognition should go to Kurdistan Autonomous Region, the defacto entity that existed prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. I'll do this myself if no one else volunteers. -- Cat chi? 03:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't know this country! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by StANDby007 ( talk • contribs) 11:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
Or to use more academic language, it's not internally consistent with regard to spelling of place names even within the same paragraph 82.110.248.146 ( talk) 15:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
"Its capital is the city of Arbil derived from the old latin Urbilium"..didnt "Arbil" derive from the ancient aramaic (which predates latin) name for the city "Arbela" (Arba-Elu meaning for Gods) ILLeSt ( talk) 18:05, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Arbil nor Kurds have nothing to with Latin, and yes the region was dominated by the ancient aramaic language, since it was assyria —Preceding unsigned comment added by Annabananahana ( talk • contribs) 15:31, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Kifri is already under KRG, acording to the new konstitution, are KRG claiming the district of Khaniqin and Mandali in the Province of Diyala —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.227.181.127 ( talk) 12:48, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
The demographics of this article are incorrect in my opinion. 95% being Kurdish makes no sense to me. Assyrians and Turkoman make up about 5-7% of Iraq, and majority of the turkoman and especially Assyrians live in Northern Iraq. How can it be possible that they are still only 5% of Iraqi Kurdistan?
from CIA Factbook, Assyrians and Turkomans are 5% or Iraq, that makes their population at about 1.5 million, now lets assume that 500 000 live outside of the borders of Iraqi Kurdistan, that would still leave 1 million Assyrians and Turkomans in Northern Iraq (which is a good estimate in my opinion) and that would make Assyrian/Turkoman population at about 15-20% of Iraqi Kurdistan.
Please provide a source of the 95% claim of this article or remove it -- Malik Danno ( talk) 16:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
1- Population is estimated 7 million on the side bar but is said to be 5-6 million in the Demographics section. 2- There is no mention of Feyli Kurds who are Shia and are estimated to be 2-3 millions. 88.97.164.254 ( talk) 07:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
90% is correct in my opinion but that Assyrian and turkmans make up 15 to 20% is to mouch —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.227.181.127 ( talk) 12:51, 18 July 2009 (UTC) 85.227.181.127 ( talk) 12:56, 18 July 2009 (UTC)shnoy xhoshewist
Iraqi Kurdistan refers to that part of northern Iraq where ethnic Kurds predominate. The Kurdistan Region refers to that part of Iraqi Kurdistan that is administered by the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG). The problem is located in the dispute over the official boundary of the Kurdistan Region that was to be determined in accordance with Article 140 of the Constitution of Iraq by the end of 2007.
The so-called 'green line' was actually the 'Saddam Line' that cut Iraqi Kurdistan almost in half. It was established in the dark of night in October 1991 by the Iraqi military erecting dirt barriers. Checkpoints that acted like border control stations were also constructed. It was not mandated by the UN as some in the mainstream press have reported. This line ceased to exist with the overthrow of the regime of Saddam Hussein in April 2003.
The Saddam Line is not to be confused with the no-fly zone that was established earlier in 1991 by US-led coalition forces. Contrary to some news reports, it was not established by the UN. The no-fly zone did not cover all predominately Kurdish areas. Many were south of the line. Strangely, the no-fly zone included Mosul but not Suleimaniyah.
The so-called "safe haven" was actually only a part of Duhok governorate (province) from where most of some 500,000 Kurdish refugees in Turkey had fled from. Though double this number had fled to Iran - some one million, no safe haven was specifically established for them. They returned anyway.
All this leaves open the question of what is a Kurd in an area where Kurds predominate. The word "Kurd" refers to ethnicity and is not to be confused with religion. It denotes the primary culture of an area. There are Muslim Kurds, Christian Kurds, Jewish Kurds, Yezidi Kurds, Shabak Kurds, and Kakayee Kurds, etc., all in Iraqi Kurdistan.
Some Christians do not like being called Christian Kurds; some assert the are ethnically Assyrian and some go so far as to say the area is Assyria and not Kurdistan. Christians in Kurdistan have a hard time deciding what to call themselves. Some say "Asyrian", others ChaldoAssyrian, others AssyroChaldean, others Assyrians Chaldeans Syriacs, others Syriani, others Ashuri. Most Christians in Kurdistan speak Syriac, a derivative of Aramaic spoken by Jesus Christ.
There are also Armenians in Iraqi Kurdistan who certainly are not Kurds. And they are not Assyrians, Chaldeans, or Syriacs. They are Armenian by ethnicity and by religion, the first (only?) ethnic group to become a religion.
Yezidis and Shabaks speak Kurdish, their mother language and the language they use to pray. Same with the Kakayee who are a very small group. Some Yezidis and Shabaks assert, however, that they are not Kurds, perhaps because they are trying to avoid be drowned among the Muslim Kurds and prefer to maintain a separate identity.
All Jewish Kurds migrated to Israel by the 1950s. Some have come to visit their ancestral homes. Jews, and Christians, in Kurdistan had virtually no problem with Muslim Kurds. Kurdistan is one of the few places in the world where there were rural Jewish villages living peacefully among Muslim villages. A former Israeli defense minister is a Jewish Kurd from Iraqi Kurdistan.
There are also ethnic Arabs and Turkmens in Kurdistan; they certainly are not Kurds.
Instead of calling the people of Kurdistan "Kurds", perhaps it would be more acceptable to all concerned to call them "Kurdistanis" - people of Kurdistan - regardless of their ethnicity or religion. The name of the area is unlikely to change, but the people may differ in their backgrounds or whatever they prefer to call themselves.
I served with the UN in Iraqi Kurdistan in 1991 and personally witnessed the establishment, or separation, of the Kurdistan Region by the regime of Saddam Hussein. I am personally familiar with the no-fly zone and the specificity of the "safe haven". I was there in May 1992 when regional elections were held and when the Iraqi Kurdistan Parliament (IKP, what it is called today) and the Kurdistan Regional Governt (KRG) were formed during the summer of 1992. Clarrysf ( talk) 23:20, 25 July 2009 (UTC)Hewleri
Monarchy?! someone's been screwing with this 86.14.106.237 ( talk) 05:34, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
It currently states that "Most Kurds live in the large cities such as Arbil and Sulaymania". But if you add up the population of all 8 cities listed in the previous table, it is much less than half of the claimed total population. And it's hard to argue that all of those 8 cities are "large cities" given than some of them have less than 1/10th the population of Arbil and Sulaymania. Given the information about total population and city populations in this section, this sentence seems both incorrect and unnecessary. So I am going to remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Douglaswyatt ( talk • contribs) 03:23, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Apparently "it is the most stable and secure region of Iraq where not a single coalition soldier or foreigner has been killed, wounded or kidnapped since the 2003 invasion of Iraq" - but the government website can hardly be considered a fair source, especially in the light of reports that the kurdistan government may be attacking and killing journalists, attacks on whom have risen sharply since the election of the new regime.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YThjZjBiNmIzZmJmYmJiNzcxM2RlZTg5MzVlM2VlOTg=
Perhaps because the victims are not foreigners but local journalists the statement might hold true, but it is nevertheless incredibly POV and does not represent the reality of Kurdistan as a very corrupt, unstable place. Does this deserve its own section in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.23.57.168 ( talk) 21:27, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
I see how confusing this can be having so many terms about Kurdistan and its different part and having several articles about it and its several parts whit its several names.
Kurdistan is a geographical area in Middle East. It is in SE Anatolia, NW part of Zagros Mountains and N Mesopotamia. In Southern Kurdistan there is a Kurdish Autonomous Region with its own regional government. Terms like Iraqi Kurdistan, Turkish Kurdistan, Iranian Kurdistan etc. doesn't sound good. Better to only call it "Southern Kurdistan", "Northern Kurdistan", "Eastern Kurdistan" etc. And it would be better if Kurdistan Regional Government called it self "Regional Government of Southern Kurdistan". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahatma2008 ( talk • contribs) 23:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I would love it if we called it south Kurdistan. I just don't think turkey Iran and Syria would be too happy about it. 188.221.24.172 ( talk) 01:43, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
SInce this is not a nation how can it have either an anthem or capital? -- Cat chi? 02:06, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Also don't forget that outside powers such as the USA and Britian have used these peoples ideals as tools of manipulation on the world scene.
The result of the debate was move. — Nightstallion (?) 10:31, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Of course Kurdistan IS a nation and HAS a capital as well as a heart and a long memory! Kurds in Iran and elsewhere look to Iraqi Kurdistan as a great role model and stonghold of the culture and language. It is time some from other nearby nations accepted this and treat the Kurdish people with respect as they will try to treat others. This is hard for a people with few friends, long forgotten and let down back in the first part of the 20th century! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.182.70 ( talk) 17:07, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
It should be Kurdistan Region or Iraqi Kurdistan. It is mentioned as Kurdistan Region in the Iraqi Constitution, not Kurdish Autonomous Region. The latter was only used during the Ba'ath regime in the 70's and 80's. Here is the reference to the name of the region in the new constitution of Iraq:
CHAPTER ONE: REGIONS
Article 113:
First: This Constitution shall approbate the region of Kurdistan and its existing regional and federal authorities, at the time this constitution comes into force.
Article 137:
Legislation enacted in the region of Kurdistan since 1992 shall remain in force, and decisions issued by the government of the region of Kurdistan - including court decisions and agreements - shall be considered valid unless it is amended or annulled pursuant to the laws of the region of Kurdistan by the competent entity in the region, provided that they do not contradict with the constitution.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/12/AR2005101201450.html
Please kindly restore the page Iraqi Kurdistan. Heja Helweda 23:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I suggest to REDIRECT this article to Iraqi Kurdistan, since according to the consititution there is not such a thing as Kurdish Autonomous Region anymore. In Iraq they use Iraqi Kurdistan Region instead. Also in the dismbiguation at the top of the Kurdish Autonomous Region the REDIRECT of Southern (or Iraqi) Kurdistan to Kurdistan is also wrong, it should be to Iraqi Kurdistan. Heja Helweda 00:02, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
IT IS NOT "IRAQI KURDISTAN" but AUTONOMOUS REGION OF KURDISTAN! PLEASE CHANGE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.53.190.161 ( talk) 07:20, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
What I like to point out about new kurdish loby in europe and america .
As recorded on library archives points out real kurdish population was born in iraq .Nothing to do with turkish clans who were stated in turkei for centuries .lately kurdish groups reported kurdistan lands covers eastern turkish lands even they have gone further then expected in the turkish parlemant they wanted to be counted as part of turkish politicians .since from 1990s there is many kurdish immigrants was given entry visa to stay in the turkei .since then crime levels were rising terror attacks started .taking to many political refuges wasnt ; such a good idea last 5 years terror attacks gone worst and many soldiers were killed unnecasserly while they were serving their army on iraq borders....
what I like to point out about that matter turkish government must bring taugh laws to stop
that political refugees coming to turkei and european countries .. strick rules and changes in the governmant legislations needed . turkish authorities shouldnt be used as channel by those only lives on terrorism act this isnt a place or land for any PKK terrorist groups I hope they solve that crises on the iraqy borderline most of the terrorist breeding etnic groups landed on turkish iraqy side ./ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.245.243.152 ( talk) 19:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Wow, I really shocked by this edit! Does this man think he is keeping it correct? http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Iraqi_Kurdistan&diff=next&oldid=64875634
Chaldean's edits in question were completely legitimate. -- 334 22:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I want to know why you put first language in list as Arabic? Should be Kurdish, Assyrian and then Arabic in THAT order!!! Lots of Kurds have next to no knowledge of Arabic now. Too busy learning English and making sure their children do the same. Many speak and understand good Farsi too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.181.235 ( talk) 14:27, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Population is not right, in kurdistan live min.8mil people, please make it right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.178.78.171 ( talk) 17:33, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
the population of the kurdish is 4,864 millions at the end of 2010
oplease change the iraqi fiogure as it is only a biased estimate by the iraqi central government who has no authority to conduct a survey in the kurdish region
http://www.kurdishglobe.net/get-pdf-file/KurdishGlobe-2011-54-16.pdf?ID=286
According to the Kurdist
tan Regional Government,
1 million and 300,000
people in Kurdistan are
government employees,
while the population of
Kurdistan Region is 4 mill
lion and 864,000. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
88.77.112.85 (
talk)
17:00, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
again http://www.kurdishglobe.net/display-article.html?id=C3671E729D6BEAF68BD67183604D4A00 According to the Kurdistan Regional Government, 1 million and 300,000 people in Kurdistan are government employees, while the population of Kurdistan Region is 4 million and 864,000. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.77.112.85 ( talk) 17:14, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
wrong area !
here true:
Kurdistan covers 50,000Km2 – four times the area of Lebanon and larger than the Netherlands.
UNDER HELLO ERBIL-ABOUTH KRUDISTAN PAGE http://www.erbilairport.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.53.190.120 ( talk) 11:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Actually the total are of iraqi kurdistan is 80,000 km square 40,000 of it is disrupted between central and regional governments
There are someone that keep changing demonym to "Iraqi Kurd". There's no such thing as "Iraqi kurd" or "Iraqi Arab" or "Iraqi Turkmen" its only "Iraqi". These terms are only used in news to be more specific. Please check your passport and discuss it here before you change it. Sherzad ( talk) 10:52, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Is there some source which shows official map of Iraqi Kurdistan? I saw several maps that showing different borders of the region. There must be some source with map that shows official borders of the region as recognized by Iraqi and Kurdistani governments. Does somebody have such source? I can draw a new map for Wikipedia in accordance with that source if it is provided. PANONIAN 19:33, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
According to the latest statistics from the census offices in Erbil, Sulaimani and Duhok, the population of Kurdistan has reached 5,299,304.
http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurds/5342.html-- Alan Genco ( talk) 20:43, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Population is not right, in Kurdistan live 7 million people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.68.40.87 ( talk) 15:55, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Please update informations regarding the population it has changed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alan khalil ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
The map is very false. Iraqi Kurdistan does not include Mosul. It only has a 15-20% Kurdish population. Chaldean 12:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
The first map yes it is not accurate: The population of Mosul is principally Kurdish, but with a large minority of Arab-speaking Christian Assyrians although resettlement plan instituted by the Ba'th Party government beginning in the 1970s tried to increase the presence of Arabs in the city but after the fall of the Baath regime many (muslim) Arab families left Mosul and returned to their cities and many Kurds who had left Mosul came back to the city. Now it is safe to say that the population of Mosul is mainly Kurdish and Christian. The problem with first map is that it confuses Kirkuk and Mosul. Now in 2006 Kirkuk has a strong majority Kurdish population more than it is in Mosul (more Arabs left Kirkuk and more Kurds returned back to the city in comparison to Mosul) but you see Kirkuk is shown half Kurdish but Mosul totally Kurdish. So I agree with you and think we should replace the first map with the old one. Jalalarbil 14:37, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
No it is not, all you gotta do is look at the election results, where in Mosul Sunni arabs got 75% of the votes. Chaldean 00:18, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
nearly half of mosul population is kurdish and 60% of the population of kerkuk is kurdish
the arabs in mosul attacked kurds on several occasions
arab election workers have manipulated kurdish votes all over the arab parts of town
and a lot of yezidis votes for allawi and a lot of shabak kurds voted for the shia alliance ,
the sunni arab got votes from the turkmen , some 50.000 turkmen voted for the sunni parties
Mousl was never part of Kurdistan and its population was mostly arabs,could you please provide more evidence that Mosul was kurdish?? stats?? documents.. anything but grannie's "stories"
note for kurdsish government : greed leaves the person with nothing.. — Preceding
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94.200.24.14 (
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Mosul is not Kurdish. —Preceding
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Annabananahana (
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15:27, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Is there some reason for the Background and History sections to be separate? History of the United States isn't split up into a Background section from before the formation of the United States and a "History" section afterwards. Neither is History of Mexico, History of Israel, History of Brazil etc. Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 17:47, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
"However, relations have been improved since then, and Turkey now has the largest share of foreign investment in Kurdistan." There is no citation or source for this sentence. Can we remove this sentence until the one who wrote that can cite a source for it, with actual NUMBERS? 188.22.179.154 ( talk) 08:44, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
I disagree with this. Neither the Kurdish leaders nor any other country recognises Iraqi Kurdistan as an independent country. This cat was not even applied to de facto independent countries like Nagorno Karabakh and Abkhazia.-- Kathovo talk 15:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
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Recently working on template:Asia topic, i've become convinced that Iraqi Kurdistan should be added to "Dependencies and other territories" in the table and treated accordingly as an autonomy with an exceptional level of self-rule (similar to Hong-Kong and Macau). The Kurdistan region of Iraq is a case of high degree of autonomy in Asia, with all national symbols and independent government and military forces. GreyShark ( dibra) 14:10, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
please change this page to South Kurdistan because Kurdistan is not Iraq. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hereshsniper ( talk • contribs) 21:04, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
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Result: No consensus. Iraqi Kurdistan should not be included in the template.
Two editors supported the proposal and three were opposed.
In support of inclusion, it was argued by the proposer that Kurdistan is an autonomous state within Iraq. As was pointed out in the discussion, though, this on its own is not necessarily enough, since other autonomous territories are not included in template:Asia topic or similar templates. It was also argued that not being afforded a place in the template puts IK in the unique position of having its diplomacy-related articles orphaned from any navbox template. This is a reasonable argument, but I'm not sure it makes IK unique ( Tibet might be another example). A further argument was made that Kurdistan is not taken seriously enough on WP. This argument is difficult to assess but, even if it is true, it is not clear to me why this means it should be included in this template in particular, unless the idea is a sort of consolation prize.
Against inclusion, it was argued that IK is not a "dependent territory". As was pointed out in the RfC, this does not mean it cannot be included as an "other territory", though. It was also argued that Kurdistan is not a unique case and that no strong reason has been given for it to be treated differently from other entities with devolved or autonomous governments. I think this is fair.
Overall, I don't think either side presented anything decisive. Given that voting was close, I think the only thing I can do is to close as "no consensus".
Considering developments in Iraq over the past months, I would herewith like to make this RfC regarding adding Iraqi Kurdistan to template:Asia topic under the section of "other Dependent territories". This is the second RFC on this topic, with first RfC issued on 20 October and closed 26 November 2013 with a "no consensus" outcome, see discussion from 2013. In the meanwhile, i would like to point out that Iraqi Kurdistan came into media attention and is referred as a notable case of exceptional autonomy, with high level of self-rule bound in Iraqi constitution, and hence is somewhat similar to Hong-Kong and Macau - Special Administrative Regions of China. Here are my reasonings:
I welcome other users to comment and emphasize that we are not talking about any form of independence of the Kurdish region in Iraq at this point (there is no independence), but about a case of exceptional autonomy. GreyShark ( dibra) 17:59, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
{{
Asia topic|List of diplomatic missions of}}
You can go to all (Asian) articles "List of diplomatic missions of". But ONLY article
List of diplomatic missions of Iraqi Kurdistan is not linked by template. Article
List of diplomatic missions in Iraqi Kurdistan has the some problem. Etc. Only
Iraqi Kurdistan has specific articles like this, which can be linked by Asia templates. It has sense to give Iraqi Kurdistan to this template. My response: support.
Jan CZ (
talk)
13:01, 3 July 2014 (UTC)Just a note regarding: "This is the second RFC on this topic, with first RfC issued on 20 October and closed 26 November 2013 with a "no consensus" outcome, see discussion from 2013."
Ignoring the broken link you provided, it was not a "no concensus" outcome. The outcome was: "There is a clear consensus that Iraqi Kurdistan shouldn't be added to the {{ Asia topic}} navbox." Comment is free, but facts are sacred. ;) -- G E Enn ( talk) 18:27, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Turkmen language is not a official language of the KRG, I corrected it.
Turkmen language is just allowed to be used officially in some areas where Turkmens live. But it is not constitutional the official language of Kurdistan.
According to the Kurdish constitution Kurdish and Arabic are the official languages of Kurdistan and the constitution was not changed.-- Alan Genco ( talk) 22:39, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
The historical section does not give info on how Assyria evolves or transitions to modern Kurdistan. That crucial part of history needs to be filled... ܐܵܬܘܿܪܵܝܵܐ 22:37, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
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I think we should make this a redirect to Kurdistan (or the regional government). We used to have two articles, one for Southern Kurdistan and one for Kurdistan Autonomous Region, and it proved to be unworkable – there was too much overlap. On the other hand, Kurdistan has a lot of material specific to Iraqi Kurdistan. QuartierLatin 1968 18:55, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi QuartierLatin,
Southern Kurdistan is the same
Iraqi Kurdistan and it covers a larger area than
Kurdistan Autonomous Region does. I think it is a good idea to redirect it to
Kurdistan but if it is possible to the part of the article which is about Southern Kurdistan (i.e. middle of the page); is it possible?
Thank You. --
D
iyako
Talk
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19:20, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
This Revolution was the greatest Kurdish revolution and the most conclusive in the history of the Kurds, which ended as a result of the treasonous Algeria’s agreement between Iraq and Iran.
This really needs re-wording, as does a lot of the article, other than that, the article is looking quite nice :) - FrancisTyers 13:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
All, please see the discussion at Category talk:Kurdistan (Which articles should have the tag 'Category:Kurdistan'), and weigh-in if you like. Thanks, -- Moby 14:05, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Is this article about KRG or Iraqi-Kurdistan? Chaldean 03:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Since this is about the Kurdistan Regional Government it might as well carry that title. Objections? -- Cat chi? 08:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm honestly not sure whether you have paid any attention to what I wrote above, or had a look at the KRG website, so I won't waste my time repeating the same thing. Perhaps, however, if you're a visual learner, an illustrative table might help:
Regions governed | Governments | Areas included within region |
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Wales | Welsh Assembly Government | area of the thirteen traditional counties of Monmouthshire, Glamorgan, Carmarthenshire, Pembrokeshire, Cardiganshire, Brecknockshire, Radnorshire, Montgomeryshire, Denbighshire, Flintshire, Merionethshire, Caernarvonshire, and Anglesey |
Southern Sudan, 'New Sudan' |
Government of Southern Sudan (GoSS) | the territory of the former provinces of Bahr el Ghazal, Equatoria and Upper Nile |
Bavaria | Bavarian State Government (Bayerische Staatsregierung) | the area of the kingdom of Bavaria, less the Rheinpfalz |
Iraqi Kurdistan, 'Kurdistan' |
Kurdistan Regional Government | Iraq north of the Green Line, including all of the governorates of Suleymaniya, Erbil, and Dohuk (de jure and de facto) and sections of Ninawa, Ta'mim, and Diyala (de facto) |
The point being that regions and their governments aren't the same. They're not always even called by the same name.
The Iraqi Kurdistan region does have defined boundaries. In fact, they check your passport when you cross those boundaries, from what I hear. [3] [4]
Comparisons with Turkish and Iranian Kurdistan are completely unhelpful, because Turkish Kurdistan has no legal existence, defined boundaries, or constitutionally recognized autonomy, while the Iranian Kurdistan province is only a (non-autonomous) part of the informal region of 'Kurdistan' in Iran. It's much more fruitful to compare Iraqi Kurdistan with other regions that actually do have autonomy of one form or another.
I'm trying to follow your Anatolia analogy, but it just doesn't make sense to me. History of Turkey is a disambiguation page: it points you to History of the Turkish people, History of the Republic of Turkey, and History of Anatolia, among others. We are, however, in agreement that information concerning the political history of the KRG should be at Kurdistan Regional Government until it grows worthy of a separate history of the Kurdistan Regional Government article.
Your ideas for changing, moving, or reorganizing the articles on
Kurdistan,
Turkish Kurdistan,
Iranian Kurdistan sound fine, but what relevance do they have here?
Quartier
Latin1968
20:27, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
I have updated the Infobox, added more information to it and also the coding for this new Infobox is much easier. The old one was just a table made into an Infobox, but this new one is the right Infobox for this article, compare them side by side the old one and my new one. And this new Infobox looks much better than the old one. Comments and suggestions are welcomed. -- D.Kurdistani 03:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Infobox be at the Kurdistan Regional Government page? Chaldean 02:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
What is the new army they are talking about in media: the Armed Forces of Kurdistan? Should this be mentioned in the article? Samrendshere 00:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I read in the article that, official name of Northern Iraq Kurdish federal region is Kurdistan-Iraq not Iraqi Kurdistan, we should also use this name. For example, for Burma article's name is Myanmar, which is the official name of Burma. Ayasi 23:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I found this news story "Iraq protests Turkey's cross-border shelling" from Sunday, June 10, 2007 but I'm not sure what article it should be included in. Seems pretty note-worthy its at http://www.sundaytimes.lk/070610/International/i503.html It begins with "The Iraqi Foreign Ministry today issued a formal protest to Turkey over the cross-border shelling into northern Iraq."
Events that happened prior to regions recognition should go to Kurdistan Autonomous Region, the defacto entity that existed prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. I'll do this myself if no one else volunteers. -- Cat chi? 03:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't know this country! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by StANDby007 ( talk • contribs) 11:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
Or to use more academic language, it's not internally consistent with regard to spelling of place names even within the same paragraph 82.110.248.146 ( talk) 15:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
"Its capital is the city of Arbil derived from the old latin Urbilium"..didnt "Arbil" derive from the ancient aramaic (which predates latin) name for the city "Arbela" (Arba-Elu meaning for Gods) ILLeSt ( talk) 18:05, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Arbil nor Kurds have nothing to with Latin, and yes the region was dominated by the ancient aramaic language, since it was assyria —Preceding unsigned comment added by Annabananahana ( talk • contribs) 15:31, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Kifri is already under KRG, acording to the new konstitution, are KRG claiming the district of Khaniqin and Mandali in the Province of Diyala —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.227.181.127 ( talk) 12:48, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
The demographics of this article are incorrect in my opinion. 95% being Kurdish makes no sense to me. Assyrians and Turkoman make up about 5-7% of Iraq, and majority of the turkoman and especially Assyrians live in Northern Iraq. How can it be possible that they are still only 5% of Iraqi Kurdistan?
from CIA Factbook, Assyrians and Turkomans are 5% or Iraq, that makes their population at about 1.5 million, now lets assume that 500 000 live outside of the borders of Iraqi Kurdistan, that would still leave 1 million Assyrians and Turkomans in Northern Iraq (which is a good estimate in my opinion) and that would make Assyrian/Turkoman population at about 15-20% of Iraqi Kurdistan.
Please provide a source of the 95% claim of this article or remove it -- Malik Danno ( talk) 16:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
1- Population is estimated 7 million on the side bar but is said to be 5-6 million in the Demographics section. 2- There is no mention of Feyli Kurds who are Shia and are estimated to be 2-3 millions. 88.97.164.254 ( talk) 07:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
90% is correct in my opinion but that Assyrian and turkmans make up 15 to 20% is to mouch —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.227.181.127 ( talk) 12:51, 18 July 2009 (UTC) 85.227.181.127 ( talk) 12:56, 18 July 2009 (UTC)shnoy xhoshewist
Iraqi Kurdistan refers to that part of northern Iraq where ethnic Kurds predominate. The Kurdistan Region refers to that part of Iraqi Kurdistan that is administered by the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG). The problem is located in the dispute over the official boundary of the Kurdistan Region that was to be determined in accordance with Article 140 of the Constitution of Iraq by the end of 2007.
The so-called 'green line' was actually the 'Saddam Line' that cut Iraqi Kurdistan almost in half. It was established in the dark of night in October 1991 by the Iraqi military erecting dirt barriers. Checkpoints that acted like border control stations were also constructed. It was not mandated by the UN as some in the mainstream press have reported. This line ceased to exist with the overthrow of the regime of Saddam Hussein in April 2003.
The Saddam Line is not to be confused with the no-fly zone that was established earlier in 1991 by US-led coalition forces. Contrary to some news reports, it was not established by the UN. The no-fly zone did not cover all predominately Kurdish areas. Many were south of the line. Strangely, the no-fly zone included Mosul but not Suleimaniyah.
The so-called "safe haven" was actually only a part of Duhok governorate (province) from where most of some 500,000 Kurdish refugees in Turkey had fled from. Though double this number had fled to Iran - some one million, no safe haven was specifically established for them. They returned anyway.
All this leaves open the question of what is a Kurd in an area where Kurds predominate. The word "Kurd" refers to ethnicity and is not to be confused with religion. It denotes the primary culture of an area. There are Muslim Kurds, Christian Kurds, Jewish Kurds, Yezidi Kurds, Shabak Kurds, and Kakayee Kurds, etc., all in Iraqi Kurdistan.
Some Christians do not like being called Christian Kurds; some assert the are ethnically Assyrian and some go so far as to say the area is Assyria and not Kurdistan. Christians in Kurdistan have a hard time deciding what to call themselves. Some say "Asyrian", others ChaldoAssyrian, others AssyroChaldean, others Assyrians Chaldeans Syriacs, others Syriani, others Ashuri. Most Christians in Kurdistan speak Syriac, a derivative of Aramaic spoken by Jesus Christ.
There are also Armenians in Iraqi Kurdistan who certainly are not Kurds. And they are not Assyrians, Chaldeans, or Syriacs. They are Armenian by ethnicity and by religion, the first (only?) ethnic group to become a religion.
Yezidis and Shabaks speak Kurdish, their mother language and the language they use to pray. Same with the Kakayee who are a very small group. Some Yezidis and Shabaks assert, however, that they are not Kurds, perhaps because they are trying to avoid be drowned among the Muslim Kurds and prefer to maintain a separate identity.
All Jewish Kurds migrated to Israel by the 1950s. Some have come to visit their ancestral homes. Jews, and Christians, in Kurdistan had virtually no problem with Muslim Kurds. Kurdistan is one of the few places in the world where there were rural Jewish villages living peacefully among Muslim villages. A former Israeli defense minister is a Jewish Kurd from Iraqi Kurdistan.
There are also ethnic Arabs and Turkmens in Kurdistan; they certainly are not Kurds.
Instead of calling the people of Kurdistan "Kurds", perhaps it would be more acceptable to all concerned to call them "Kurdistanis" - people of Kurdistan - regardless of their ethnicity or religion. The name of the area is unlikely to change, but the people may differ in their backgrounds or whatever they prefer to call themselves.
I served with the UN in Iraqi Kurdistan in 1991 and personally witnessed the establishment, or separation, of the Kurdistan Region by the regime of Saddam Hussein. I am personally familiar with the no-fly zone and the specificity of the "safe haven". I was there in May 1992 when regional elections were held and when the Iraqi Kurdistan Parliament (IKP, what it is called today) and the Kurdistan Regional Governt (KRG) were formed during the summer of 1992. Clarrysf ( talk) 23:20, 25 July 2009 (UTC)Hewleri
Monarchy?! someone's been screwing with this 86.14.106.237 ( talk) 05:34, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
It currently states that "Most Kurds live in the large cities such as Arbil and Sulaymania". But if you add up the population of all 8 cities listed in the previous table, it is much less than half of the claimed total population. And it's hard to argue that all of those 8 cities are "large cities" given than some of them have less than 1/10th the population of Arbil and Sulaymania. Given the information about total population and city populations in this section, this sentence seems both incorrect and unnecessary. So I am going to remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Douglaswyatt ( talk • contribs) 03:23, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Apparently "it is the most stable and secure region of Iraq where not a single coalition soldier or foreigner has been killed, wounded or kidnapped since the 2003 invasion of Iraq" - but the government website can hardly be considered a fair source, especially in the light of reports that the kurdistan government may be attacking and killing journalists, attacks on whom have risen sharply since the election of the new regime.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YThjZjBiNmIzZmJmYmJiNzcxM2RlZTg5MzVlM2VlOTg=
Perhaps because the victims are not foreigners but local journalists the statement might hold true, but it is nevertheless incredibly POV and does not represent the reality of Kurdistan as a very corrupt, unstable place. Does this deserve its own section in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.23.57.168 ( talk) 21:27, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
I see how confusing this can be having so many terms about Kurdistan and its different part and having several articles about it and its several parts whit its several names.
Kurdistan is a geographical area in Middle East. It is in SE Anatolia, NW part of Zagros Mountains and N Mesopotamia. In Southern Kurdistan there is a Kurdish Autonomous Region with its own regional government. Terms like Iraqi Kurdistan, Turkish Kurdistan, Iranian Kurdistan etc. doesn't sound good. Better to only call it "Southern Kurdistan", "Northern Kurdistan", "Eastern Kurdistan" etc. And it would be better if Kurdistan Regional Government called it self "Regional Government of Southern Kurdistan". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahatma2008 ( talk • contribs) 23:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
I would love it if we called it south Kurdistan. I just don't think turkey Iran and Syria would be too happy about it. 188.221.24.172 ( talk) 01:43, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
SInce this is not a nation how can it have either an anthem or capital? -- Cat chi? 02:06, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Also don't forget that outside powers such as the USA and Britian have used these peoples ideals as tools of manipulation on the world scene.
The result of the debate was move. — Nightstallion (?) 10:31, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Of course Kurdistan IS a nation and HAS a capital as well as a heart and a long memory! Kurds in Iran and elsewhere look to Iraqi Kurdistan as a great role model and stonghold of the culture and language. It is time some from other nearby nations accepted this and treat the Kurdish people with respect as they will try to treat others. This is hard for a people with few friends, long forgotten and let down back in the first part of the 20th century! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.182.70 ( talk) 17:07, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
It should be Kurdistan Region or Iraqi Kurdistan. It is mentioned as Kurdistan Region in the Iraqi Constitution, not Kurdish Autonomous Region. The latter was only used during the Ba'ath regime in the 70's and 80's. Here is the reference to the name of the region in the new constitution of Iraq:
CHAPTER ONE: REGIONS
Article 113:
First: This Constitution shall approbate the region of Kurdistan and its existing regional and federal authorities, at the time this constitution comes into force.
Article 137:
Legislation enacted in the region of Kurdistan since 1992 shall remain in force, and decisions issued by the government of the region of Kurdistan - including court decisions and agreements - shall be considered valid unless it is amended or annulled pursuant to the laws of the region of Kurdistan by the competent entity in the region, provided that they do not contradict with the constitution.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/12/AR2005101201450.html
Please kindly restore the page Iraqi Kurdistan. Heja Helweda 23:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I suggest to REDIRECT this article to Iraqi Kurdistan, since according to the consititution there is not such a thing as Kurdish Autonomous Region anymore. In Iraq they use Iraqi Kurdistan Region instead. Also in the dismbiguation at the top of the Kurdish Autonomous Region the REDIRECT of Southern (or Iraqi) Kurdistan to Kurdistan is also wrong, it should be to Iraqi Kurdistan. Heja Helweda 00:02, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
IT IS NOT "IRAQI KURDISTAN" but AUTONOMOUS REGION OF KURDISTAN! PLEASE CHANGE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.53.190.161 ( talk) 07:20, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
What I like to point out about new kurdish loby in europe and america .
As recorded on library archives points out real kurdish population was born in iraq .Nothing to do with turkish clans who were stated in turkei for centuries .lately kurdish groups reported kurdistan lands covers eastern turkish lands even they have gone further then expected in the turkish parlemant they wanted to be counted as part of turkish politicians .since from 1990s there is many kurdish immigrants was given entry visa to stay in the turkei .since then crime levels were rising terror attacks started .taking to many political refuges wasnt ; such a good idea last 5 years terror attacks gone worst and many soldiers were killed unnecasserly while they were serving their army on iraq borders....
what I like to point out about that matter turkish government must bring taugh laws to stop
that political refugees coming to turkei and european countries .. strick rules and changes in the governmant legislations needed . turkish authorities shouldnt be used as channel by those only lives on terrorism act this isnt a place or land for any PKK terrorist groups I hope they solve that crises on the iraqy borderline most of the terrorist breeding etnic groups landed on turkish iraqy side ./ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.245.243.152 ( talk) 19:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Wow, I really shocked by this edit! Does this man think he is keeping it correct? http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Iraqi_Kurdistan&diff=next&oldid=64875634
Chaldean's edits in question were completely legitimate. -- 334 22:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I want to know why you put first language in list as Arabic? Should be Kurdish, Assyrian and then Arabic in THAT order!!! Lots of Kurds have next to no knowledge of Arabic now. Too busy learning English and making sure their children do the same. Many speak and understand good Farsi too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.181.235 ( talk) 14:27, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Population is not right, in kurdistan live min.8mil people, please make it right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.178.78.171 ( talk) 17:33, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
the population of the kurdish is 4,864 millions at the end of 2010
oplease change the iraqi fiogure as it is only a biased estimate by the iraqi central government who has no authority to conduct a survey in the kurdish region
http://www.kurdishglobe.net/get-pdf-file/KurdishGlobe-2011-54-16.pdf?ID=286
According to the Kurdist
tan Regional Government,
1 million and 300,000
people in Kurdistan are
government employees,
while the population of
Kurdistan Region is 4 mill
lion and 864,000. —Preceding
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88.77.112.85 (
talk)
17:00, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
again http://www.kurdishglobe.net/display-article.html?id=C3671E729D6BEAF68BD67183604D4A00 According to the Kurdistan Regional Government, 1 million and 300,000 people in Kurdistan are government employees, while the population of Kurdistan Region is 4 million and 864,000. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.77.112.85 ( talk) 17:14, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
wrong area !
here true:
Kurdistan covers 50,000Km2 – four times the area of Lebanon and larger than the Netherlands.
UNDER HELLO ERBIL-ABOUTH KRUDISTAN PAGE http://www.erbilairport.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.53.190.120 ( talk) 11:51, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Actually the total are of iraqi kurdistan is 80,000 km square 40,000 of it is disrupted between central and regional governments
There are someone that keep changing demonym to "Iraqi Kurd". There's no such thing as "Iraqi kurd" or "Iraqi Arab" or "Iraqi Turkmen" its only "Iraqi". These terms are only used in news to be more specific. Please check your passport and discuss it here before you change it. Sherzad ( talk) 10:52, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Is there some source which shows official map of Iraqi Kurdistan? I saw several maps that showing different borders of the region. There must be some source with map that shows official borders of the region as recognized by Iraqi and Kurdistani governments. Does somebody have such source? I can draw a new map for Wikipedia in accordance with that source if it is provided. PANONIAN 19:33, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
According to the latest statistics from the census offices in Erbil, Sulaimani and Duhok, the population of Kurdistan has reached 5,299,304.
http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurds/5342.html-- Alan Genco ( talk) 20:43, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Population is not right, in Kurdistan live 7 million people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.68.40.87 ( talk) 15:55, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Please update informations regarding the population it has changed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alan khalil ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
The map is very false. Iraqi Kurdistan does not include Mosul. It only has a 15-20% Kurdish population. Chaldean 12:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
The first map yes it is not accurate: The population of Mosul is principally Kurdish, but with a large minority of Arab-speaking Christian Assyrians although resettlement plan instituted by the Ba'th Party government beginning in the 1970s tried to increase the presence of Arabs in the city but after the fall of the Baath regime many (muslim) Arab families left Mosul and returned to their cities and many Kurds who had left Mosul came back to the city. Now it is safe to say that the population of Mosul is mainly Kurdish and Christian. The problem with first map is that it confuses Kirkuk and Mosul. Now in 2006 Kirkuk has a strong majority Kurdish population more than it is in Mosul (more Arabs left Kirkuk and more Kurds returned back to the city in comparison to Mosul) but you see Kirkuk is shown half Kurdish but Mosul totally Kurdish. So I agree with you and think we should replace the first map with the old one. Jalalarbil 14:37, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
No it is not, all you gotta do is look at the election results, where in Mosul Sunni arabs got 75% of the votes. Chaldean 00:18, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
nearly half of mosul population is kurdish and 60% of the population of kerkuk is kurdish
the arabs in mosul attacked kurds on several occasions
arab election workers have manipulated kurdish votes all over the arab parts of town
and a lot of yezidis votes for allawi and a lot of shabak kurds voted for the shia alliance ,
the sunni arab got votes from the turkmen , some 50.000 turkmen voted for the sunni parties
Mousl was never part of Kurdistan and its population was mostly arabs,could you please provide more evidence that Mosul was kurdish?? stats?? documents.. anything but grannie's "stories"
note for kurdsish government : greed leaves the person with nothing.. — Preceding
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94.200.24.14 (
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Mosul is not Kurdish. —Preceding
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Annabananahana (
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15:27, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Is there some reason for the Background and History sections to be separate? History of the United States isn't split up into a Background section from before the formation of the United States and a "History" section afterwards. Neither is History of Mexico, History of Israel, History of Brazil etc. Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 17:47, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
"However, relations have been improved since then, and Turkey now has the largest share of foreign investment in Kurdistan." There is no citation or source for this sentence. Can we remove this sentence until the one who wrote that can cite a source for it, with actual NUMBERS? 188.22.179.154 ( talk) 08:44, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
I disagree with this. Neither the Kurdish leaders nor any other country recognises Iraqi Kurdistan as an independent country. This cat was not even applied to de facto independent countries like Nagorno Karabakh and Abkhazia.-- Kathovo talk 15:43, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Recently working on template:Asia topic, i've become convinced that Iraqi Kurdistan should be added to "Dependencies and other territories" in the table and treated accordingly as an autonomy with an exceptional level of self-rule (similar to Hong-Kong and Macau). The Kurdistan region of Iraq is a case of high degree of autonomy in Asia, with all national symbols and independent government and military forces. GreyShark ( dibra) 14:10, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
please change this page to South Kurdistan because Kurdistan is not Iraq. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hereshsniper ( talk • contribs) 21:04, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Result: No consensus. Iraqi Kurdistan should not be included in the template.
Two editors supported the proposal and three were opposed.
In support of inclusion, it was argued by the proposer that Kurdistan is an autonomous state within Iraq. As was pointed out in the discussion, though, this on its own is not necessarily enough, since other autonomous territories are not included in template:Asia topic or similar templates. It was also argued that not being afforded a place in the template puts IK in the unique position of having its diplomacy-related articles orphaned from any navbox template. This is a reasonable argument, but I'm not sure it makes IK unique ( Tibet might be another example). A further argument was made that Kurdistan is not taken seriously enough on WP. This argument is difficult to assess but, even if it is true, it is not clear to me why this means it should be included in this template in particular, unless the idea is a sort of consolation prize.
Against inclusion, it was argued that IK is not a "dependent territory". As was pointed out in the RfC, this does not mean it cannot be included as an "other territory", though. It was also argued that Kurdistan is not a unique case and that no strong reason has been given for it to be treated differently from other entities with devolved or autonomous governments. I think this is fair.
Overall, I don't think either side presented anything decisive. Given that voting was close, I think the only thing I can do is to close as "no consensus".
Considering developments in Iraq over the past months, I would herewith like to make this RfC regarding adding Iraqi Kurdistan to template:Asia topic under the section of "other Dependent territories". This is the second RFC on this topic, with first RfC issued on 20 October and closed 26 November 2013 with a "no consensus" outcome, see discussion from 2013. In the meanwhile, i would like to point out that Iraqi Kurdistan came into media attention and is referred as a notable case of exceptional autonomy, with high level of self-rule bound in Iraqi constitution, and hence is somewhat similar to Hong-Kong and Macau - Special Administrative Regions of China. Here are my reasonings:
I welcome other users to comment and emphasize that we are not talking about any form of independence of the Kurdish region in Iraq at this point (there is no independence), but about a case of exceptional autonomy. GreyShark ( dibra) 17:59, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
{{
Asia topic|List of diplomatic missions of}}
You can go to all (Asian) articles "List of diplomatic missions of". But ONLY article
List of diplomatic missions of Iraqi Kurdistan is not linked by template. Article
List of diplomatic missions in Iraqi Kurdistan has the some problem. Etc. Only
Iraqi Kurdistan has specific articles like this, which can be linked by Asia templates. It has sense to give Iraqi Kurdistan to this template. My response: support.
Jan CZ (
talk)
13:01, 3 July 2014 (UTC)Just a note regarding: "This is the second RFC on this topic, with first RfC issued on 20 October and closed 26 November 2013 with a "no consensus" outcome, see discussion from 2013."
Ignoring the broken link you provided, it was not a "no concensus" outcome. The outcome was: "There is a clear consensus that Iraqi Kurdistan shouldn't be added to the {{ Asia topic}} navbox." Comment is free, but facts are sacred. ;) -- G E Enn ( talk) 18:27, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Turkmen language is not a official language of the KRG, I corrected it.
Turkmen language is just allowed to be used officially in some areas where Turkmens live. But it is not constitutional the official language of Kurdistan.
According to the Kurdish constitution Kurdish and Arabic are the official languages of Kurdistan and the constitution was not changed.-- Alan Genco ( talk) 22:39, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
The historical section does not give info on how Assyria evolves or transitions to modern Kurdistan. That crucial part of history needs to be filled... ܐܵܬܘܿܪܵܝܵܐ 22:37, 19 January 2015 (UTC)