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A new page with this title has just been created by User:172.203.147.132 . I'm not sure whether its separate existence is valuable. Contributers here may have their own thoughts. Aryan language (small L) already redirects to Indo-European languages. Perhaps that should become a disambiguation page. Paul B 09:39, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
CiteCop 23:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Dardic and Nuristani are different languages, I do not know about Nuristani languages but Dardic languages were firstly considered as distinct branch of indo-iranian family but now because of the new research it is believed that Dardic languages are abberant form of Indo-aryan or indic group, the speciality of Dardic languages is that dardic languages still posess the archaic vocabulary of vedic sanskrit which shows that dardic languages are descended directly from proto-vedic sanskrit thus different in this case from modern indic languages which are descended from the middle prakrit form of sanskrit. Nuristiani languages , however are still considered a distinct branch of indo-iranin though they are also more drifted towards indo-aryan rather than iranian brach.
The article on Grammatical gender says that most Indo-European languages have grammatical gender, but it has just occurred to me that some Iranian languages do not. Is this a widespread trait in the Indo-Iranian branch? FilipeS 16:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for replying, but what about Persian?... FilipeS 01:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I think hilighting that a minority group exists in a country which speaks an Indo-Iranian language is completely unnecessary. Since that would cover nearly every country in the world. But someone just wanted to highlight United States? I suggest someone just stick with "official language". 66.171.76.138 21:39, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Sorry the merger is for the templates only. Enlil Ninlil 05:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Grouping Iranian and Indic together is based on solid grounds. The affiliation between Iranian and Indic is not a solid one. It is as strong as each are with Slavic and Baltic. (All are Satem languages, and honestly Baltic shows strong resemblance with Sanskrit). The only fact which led the linguist to construct the Indo-Iranian (hypo)thesis was the fact that vestan and Sanskrit were similar, but that was not surprising because we did not have as ancient languages in either Baltic or Slavic. Moreover It is funny to speak of Indo-Aryan for Indic, when one avoids the usage of Aryan (proper) for Iranian --Babakexorramdin (talk) 14:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)-- Babakexorramdin ( talk) 22:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello, in my opinion is the term "Iranian" absolutely false, it goes to Middle Iranian "Êran" and was in Old Iranian "ârîânam", so the pure and right word is "Arian" in English transcribed.
We must to call this language-group "Indo-Arianian", and the iranic language group to "Arianian languages". -- Meyman ( talk) 19:22, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
What does this section refer to?
The oldest attested Indo-Iranian languages are Vedic Sanskrit (ancient Indian), Avestan and Old Persian (two ancient Iranian languages). But there are written instances of a fourth language in Northern Mesopotamia which is considered to be Indo-Aryan. They are attested in documents from the ancient empire of Mitanni and the Hittites of Anatolia.
Indo-Aryan superstrate in Mitanni? 惑乱 Wakuran ( talk) 00:23, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Could someone please make a map of Indo-Iranian language spread in the region? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anooshahpour ( talk • contribs) 20:04, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
http://www.iranica.com/articles/eastern-iranian-languages In Encyclopaedia Iranica, Online Edition, 2010. "The Modern Eastern Iranian languages are even more numerous and varied. Most of them are classified as North-Eastern: Ossetic; Yaghnobi (which derives from a dialect closely related to Sogdian); the Shughni group (Shughni, Roshani, Khufi, Bartangi, Roshorvi, Sarikoli), with which Yaz-1ghulami (Sokolova 1967) and the now extinct Wanji (J. Payne in Schmitt, p. 420) are closely linked; Ishkashmi, Sanglichi, and Zebaki; Wakhi; Munji and Yidgha; and Pashto." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scythian Saka ( talk • contribs) 17:49, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
bengali about 215 mil - persian about 70 - pashtu about 55 mil and so on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callofworld ( talk • contribs) 18:26, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
see it : https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Aryanic_languages&redirect=no
Indo-Iranian consists of three groups:
Indo-Aryan (Indic) Iranian (Iranic) Nuristani
Most of the largest languages (in terms of native speakers) are a part of the Indo-Aryan group: Hindustani (Hindi–Urdu, ~590 million[5]), Bengali (205 million[6]), Punjabi (100 million), Marathi (75 million), Gujarati (50 million), Bhojpuri (40 million), Awadhi (40 million), Maithili (35 million), Odia (35 million), Marwari (30 million), Sindhi (25 million), Rajasthani (20 million), Chhattisgarhi (18 million), Assamese (15 million), Sinhalese (16 million), Nepali (17 million), and Rangpuri (rajbanshi) (15 million). Among the Iranian branch, major languages are Persian (60 million), Pashto (ca. 50 million), Kurdish (35 million),[7] and Balochi (8 million), with a total number of native speakers of more than 1471 million. Numerous smaller languages exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callofworld ( talk • contribs) 19:46, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
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why delete ? why ridiculous ?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Callofworld ( talk • contribs) 08:18, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
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I'm proposing to split Template:Indo-Iranian languages into Template:Iranian languages and Template:Indo-Aryan languages. If anyone has any thoughts, you're welcome to share them at Template Talk:Indo-Iranian languages#Split template. Thanks! – Uanfala 23:23, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
I want to reinforce renaming this article.
The terminology used is simply racist (as can be seen by the complaints of several natives for this article and others). "Iranian" is a denonym of the country "Iran"; not a language family nor an ethno-linguistical group. "Iranian" was used because the country was called Persia, making it impossible for misconception to arise. But now the country is called "Iran" not Persia. It's literally the same as saying "calling a black "Negro" in 2017 is ok because it was ok 50 ago years", and yes that was specifically targeted towards most non-German scientific literature nowdays, mostly (but not only) relating to this topic seeing the arguments used.
There literally is no reason to use "Indo-Iranian", if the article itself states that "Aryan" is a correct terminology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farraf123 ( talk • contribs) 04:21, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
Does this 60 million also include Dari and Tajik? It's highly unlikely. Seems to only include Farsi, but not the other two dialects.-- NadirAli نادر علی ( talk) 20:46, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
"Aryan" is the endonym of the Indo-Iranians for describing their own ethnolinguistic group; given this information, would it be suitable to redirect "Aryan languages" to this page? Praxeria ( talk) 21:28, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi I understand the point about how people may inflate the number of native speakers of each language however i think it's more beneficial to have it rather than not have it. And then we can focus on making sure the numbers are correct afterwards or just simply remove the numbers altogether? Anyhow the main focus of the text is to highlight the indo-iranian language list, the numbers are irrelevant here Academic10 ( talk) 16:57, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
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A new page with this title has just been created by User:172.203.147.132 . I'm not sure whether its separate existence is valuable. Contributers here may have their own thoughts. Aryan language (small L) already redirects to Indo-European languages. Perhaps that should become a disambiguation page. Paul B 09:39, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
CiteCop 23:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Dardic and Nuristani are different languages, I do not know about Nuristani languages but Dardic languages were firstly considered as distinct branch of indo-iranian family but now because of the new research it is believed that Dardic languages are abberant form of Indo-aryan or indic group, the speciality of Dardic languages is that dardic languages still posess the archaic vocabulary of vedic sanskrit which shows that dardic languages are descended directly from proto-vedic sanskrit thus different in this case from modern indic languages which are descended from the middle prakrit form of sanskrit. Nuristiani languages , however are still considered a distinct branch of indo-iranin though they are also more drifted towards indo-aryan rather than iranian brach.
The article on Grammatical gender says that most Indo-European languages have grammatical gender, but it has just occurred to me that some Iranian languages do not. Is this a widespread trait in the Indo-Iranian branch? FilipeS 16:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for replying, but what about Persian?... FilipeS 01:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I think hilighting that a minority group exists in a country which speaks an Indo-Iranian language is completely unnecessary. Since that would cover nearly every country in the world. But someone just wanted to highlight United States? I suggest someone just stick with "official language". 66.171.76.138 21:39, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Sorry the merger is for the templates only. Enlil Ninlil 05:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Grouping Iranian and Indic together is based on solid grounds. The affiliation between Iranian and Indic is not a solid one. It is as strong as each are with Slavic and Baltic. (All are Satem languages, and honestly Baltic shows strong resemblance with Sanskrit). The only fact which led the linguist to construct the Indo-Iranian (hypo)thesis was the fact that vestan and Sanskrit were similar, but that was not surprising because we did not have as ancient languages in either Baltic or Slavic. Moreover It is funny to speak of Indo-Aryan for Indic, when one avoids the usage of Aryan (proper) for Iranian --Babakexorramdin (talk) 14:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)-- Babakexorramdin ( talk) 22:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello, in my opinion is the term "Iranian" absolutely false, it goes to Middle Iranian "Êran" and was in Old Iranian "ârîânam", so the pure and right word is "Arian" in English transcribed.
We must to call this language-group "Indo-Arianian", and the iranic language group to "Arianian languages". -- Meyman ( talk) 19:22, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
What does this section refer to?
The oldest attested Indo-Iranian languages are Vedic Sanskrit (ancient Indian), Avestan and Old Persian (two ancient Iranian languages). But there are written instances of a fourth language in Northern Mesopotamia which is considered to be Indo-Aryan. They are attested in documents from the ancient empire of Mitanni and the Hittites of Anatolia.
Indo-Aryan superstrate in Mitanni? 惑乱 Wakuran ( talk) 00:23, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Could someone please make a map of Indo-Iranian language spread in the region? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anooshahpour ( talk • contribs) 20:04, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
http://www.iranica.com/articles/eastern-iranian-languages In Encyclopaedia Iranica, Online Edition, 2010. "The Modern Eastern Iranian languages are even more numerous and varied. Most of them are classified as North-Eastern: Ossetic; Yaghnobi (which derives from a dialect closely related to Sogdian); the Shughni group (Shughni, Roshani, Khufi, Bartangi, Roshorvi, Sarikoli), with which Yaz-1ghulami (Sokolova 1967) and the now extinct Wanji (J. Payne in Schmitt, p. 420) are closely linked; Ishkashmi, Sanglichi, and Zebaki; Wakhi; Munji and Yidgha; and Pashto." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scythian Saka ( talk • contribs) 17:49, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
bengali about 215 mil - persian about 70 - pashtu about 55 mil and so on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callofworld ( talk • contribs) 18:26, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
see it : https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Aryanic_languages&redirect=no
Indo-Iranian consists of three groups:
Indo-Aryan (Indic) Iranian (Iranic) Nuristani
Most of the largest languages (in terms of native speakers) are a part of the Indo-Aryan group: Hindustani (Hindi–Urdu, ~590 million[5]), Bengali (205 million[6]), Punjabi (100 million), Marathi (75 million), Gujarati (50 million), Bhojpuri (40 million), Awadhi (40 million), Maithili (35 million), Odia (35 million), Marwari (30 million), Sindhi (25 million), Rajasthani (20 million), Chhattisgarhi (18 million), Assamese (15 million), Sinhalese (16 million), Nepali (17 million), and Rangpuri (rajbanshi) (15 million). Among the Iranian branch, major languages are Persian (60 million), Pashto (ca. 50 million), Kurdish (35 million),[7] and Balochi (8 million), with a total number of native speakers of more than 1471 million. Numerous smaller languages exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callofworld ( talk • contribs) 19:46, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
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why delete ? why ridiculous ?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Callofworld ( talk • contribs) 08:18, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
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I'm proposing to split Template:Indo-Iranian languages into Template:Iranian languages and Template:Indo-Aryan languages. If anyone has any thoughts, you're welcome to share them at Template Talk:Indo-Iranian languages#Split template. Thanks! – Uanfala 23:23, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
I want to reinforce renaming this article.
The terminology used is simply racist (as can be seen by the complaints of several natives for this article and others). "Iranian" is a denonym of the country "Iran"; not a language family nor an ethno-linguistical group. "Iranian" was used because the country was called Persia, making it impossible for misconception to arise. But now the country is called "Iran" not Persia. It's literally the same as saying "calling a black "Negro" in 2017 is ok because it was ok 50 ago years", and yes that was specifically targeted towards most non-German scientific literature nowdays, mostly (but not only) relating to this topic seeing the arguments used.
There literally is no reason to use "Indo-Iranian", if the article itself states that "Aryan" is a correct terminology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farraf123 ( talk • contribs) 04:21, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
Does this 60 million also include Dari and Tajik? It's highly unlikely. Seems to only include Farsi, but not the other two dialects.-- NadirAli نادر علی ( talk) 20:46, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
"Aryan" is the endonym of the Indo-Iranians for describing their own ethnolinguistic group; given this information, would it be suitable to redirect "Aryan languages" to this page? Praxeria ( talk) 21:28, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi I understand the point about how people may inflate the number of native speakers of each language however i think it's more beneficial to have it rather than not have it. And then we can focus on making sure the numbers are correct afterwards or just simply remove the numbers altogether? Anyhow the main focus of the text is to highlight the indo-iranian language list, the numbers are irrelevant here Academic10 ( talk) 16:57, 15 March 2023 (UTC)