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Bisexality, as well as other distinct sexual identities such as queer and transexual, seem to be completely missing from both these articles, why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flufybumblebee ( talk • contribs) 01:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. The 'Unconventional Practices' sections is misleadingly short as well, it mentions BDSM and fetishism as if those are only options. There is a tremendous range of unusual stuff which people get up to. Much unusual sex is lumped in with fetishism - inaccurately since a fetish is a fairly precisely defined thing. 196.209.232.222 ( talk) 19:06, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
“Human sexuality is not simply imposed by instinct or stereotypical conducts, as it happens in animals, but it is influenced both by superior mental activity and by..."
I am sorry, but the idea that human sexuality is governed by instinct is hopelessly outdated. Get your information straight. For instance, it does not need to take one man and one woman. A woman or a man can have sex by themselves. Not everybody in this world defines themselves as man or woman. Two women or two men (or three or four or more) can have sex. But the main thing is that we learn sex, we do not just instinctively do it. If you don't agree, think back to your first time. You will have to admit that you had to learn a great deal and perhaps you have since that time. Can you walk on two feet (a distinctly human trait) without anybody teaching you? Can you speak complex sentences (equally as human, no animal comes close to humans in the use of language) when you do not grow up in a social environment? If you want to compare your sexuality to that of chimps, I suggest you watch chimps copulate (I can't even call it sex). If that compares to your sexuality, you have my sympathy, but I happen to last a bit longer than a few seconds. User:nielsft12 April 2004.
I agree with 200.191.188.xxx, who added the
abortion link back into the article. In fact, I'd put it right under pregnancy. But it's extremely disingenuous to ignore the link between abortion and sexuality. <><
tbc
LOL. That was my opinion. :-) Western society must be the first in history to de-couple sexuality from a link with pregnancy. (I'd put abortion with Birth control/ Contraception on the page, myself, but I think we should leave it as a "see also" for now.)
That's very subjective opinion. Compared to other animals, human sexuality is quite simple. You know - you need just a male and a female and ... done :) Many important aspects of normal animal sexuality like estrus, sexual demonstrations, fighting between males before any copulation, eating partner or partner's previous children don't exist or exist only in very reduced form in humans. -- Taw
The term "instinct" is not very helpful in this discussion. It appears that there are some behaviors that are absolutely "hard-wired", but they are very simple, e.g., all babies react to the feeling of "the bottom dropping out". But many other behaviors may have a hard-wired basis that needs to meet the appropriate imprinting to be activated in a way useful to the individual.
Patrick0Moran 05:41, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)
There have been several changes to the line that currently reads "Historically, wisdom has not been a dominant factor in human sexuality." I don't think the current phrasing is very good. But I think that it should be resolved on the talk page instead of through back-and-forth changes in the article itself. Any suggestions for a good wording?
Acegikmo1 03:06, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
Why is this not merged with Human sexual behaviour? - S V 21:54, 2004 Jul 21 (UTC)
is it okay for this page to be under category:human ?
-- LegCircus 04:22, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)
I have made a minor change in the first paragraph because the article did not properly reflect the difference between sex and gender. Sexual identity is not a matter of socialization. Determining the sexual identity of a person breaks down into several objective questions: What is the chromosomal sex of this person (XX, XY, XXY...)? What is the status of the genitalia (typical female, typical male, XY individual with unmasculinized genitalia, etc.,etc.)? Societies generally insist on a 2-category system, the basic criterion for inclusion in one category or the other is whether the individual has, will have, or once had the capacity to produce ova or to produce spermatazoa. The ways that individuals are taught to represent what they are and what they want to do in a social/sexual/life-task context is called gender. P0M 05:53, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I have never placed an NPOV tag on a page yet, and I'm certainly not going to do so without taking part in a discussion first (unlike others I've encountered). But I think that this whole article both in its structure and content is very biased towards the "Western World" view of human sexuality. Where is the spirituality and the deeper understanding that many (probably the majority) of cultures in this world attempt to attach to this intriguing and fundamental concept?
I am a Westerner myself so I am not saying this out of self-interest, but I think this whole article is a bit one-sided in this respect.
TH 00:09, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
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— Ŭalabio‽ 03:09, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
I put Pedophilia and pederasty into paraphilia, those are not sexual orientations. I would also move Celibacy somewhere else, this is no-way related to sexual orientation but it is a way to live his sexuality.
I would like to thank the wikipedian who wrote "For information about sexual activities and practices (i.e., "doing it"), see the article human sexual behavior." LOL...--
Stupidwhiteman
12:43, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Enjoy it while you can. Anything the least bit humorous is a prime candidate for reversion.— GraemeMcRae talk 05:29, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I typed in "Facts of Life" to go to the entry on the T.V. and it took me here. This redirect needs to be eliminated in favor of a disam page. Pacian 01:08, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
The site of the Society for Human Sexuality probably deserves a link from somewhere (I'm not sure if this article is the place, hence bringing it up on the talk page); the group might even deserve an article. Seattle-based site, an outgrowth of one of the first broadly inclusive sex-positive student organizations. One of very few sites on the web trying to write from a positive but non-sensationalistic point of view about sexuality resources (ranging from pornography—which they prefer to call "erotica"—to web-based matchmaking services). Interesting site, not quite NPOV because systematically sex-positive, but something that seems to me to be a useful resource. Probably also a useful resource for topics worth writing about: my guess is that their relatively short list of erotic films would contain a bunch that deserve articles and don't yet have them. - Jmabel | Talk 06:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I added a new close relationships template to the article. If the consensus is to remove it, due to the other templates already taking up space on the page, I'm okay with that. ( Kelly 05:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC))
This section is just an huge ugly list.It should be reformed in to a template,for all the relevant articles.I would also propose a merge with Human sexual behavior.-- Pixel ;-) 18:27, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
What the hell are you trying to say?
I would rather see "Human sexuality is about fucking" than this piece of meaningless rubbish.
Sexual development redirects here, but it needs its own article, as it extremely varied amongst animals and an interesting topic which does not seem to be covered either by this article or Animal_sexuality. what do people think? Brallan 11:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I've split the list of articles into List of human sexuality topics, which was eating up way too much of the page. It took a while, but it got done.- Wafulz 02:20, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
There is a theory about the rationality of sexuality in the self-published book Work Efficiency and Likings by K. H. Tervola, which is avalilable in the internet for free at stores.lulu.com/khtervola. InsectIntelligence 19:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
The theory says that sexuality is a way to learn about the art of living. When we admire someone, are friends, love and/or feel physical attraction, we get lots of social influence from the other person's way to live and via that, i.e. via learning the dominant mood (consisting of the following: eyes, hearing, memory, thinking, language, social, feelings, atmospheres, the sense of beauty, the body,…), we learn the natural base of the skills of the other one, getting so new strenghts in addition to our old ones. Also the possible offspring would have the strenghts of both… InsectIntelligence 03:28, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
OK. Anyway, just in case that you are interested in the theory, the text of the book is at www.paradisewins.net/WEL.html . InsectIntelligence ( talk) 13:50, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Or just the theory about sexuality at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PbQs-MWnkw InsectIntelligence ( talk) 18:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Merge it. 63.228.107.65 01:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Apart from reproductivity there are two other aspects needed to be thought of. Out of these two one is "health" aspect. Sex is needed for the routine relaxation. For woman also to keep her body functioning-like monthly cycles- in order. The second one is nearness to "trance feelings" after the sex act is over. This feeling means expressing the gratitude to the almighty for allowing the pleasure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.187.218.81 ( talk) 11:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
There was a mini-paragraph near the top that I took out that merely looked like a garbled sentence at first, but proved to have been a deliberate attempt to insert false information. It's been there for some months, and used a fabricated citation (neither book nor author appear to exist). Do watch out in case anybody tries to put it back in. No more bongos 05:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Compare a passing meeting to 30 years of marriage: 30 years of being the closest adult in your life. That is 1 day compared to 30 years which is about 1 : 10 000. No wonder that we react strongly to the possibility of getting a partner that would suit us! InsectIntelligence ( talk) 13:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
It seems very bizarre to me that this page does not mention sexual repression. This subject has been studied extensively in the scholarly literature and there is a great variety of good sources on the topic presenting a number of different viewpoints. It's also a subject that relates very directly to a number of other topics, including, among others, culture, childbirth, birth control, general reproductive health, religion, women's health and other issues of the empowerment of women. In short, I see no reason that wikipedia should not contain an article on this topic. I am posting here because I am planning on recreating the page (I don't see any discussion of why it was deleted) and I would like to recruit thoughtful contributors to it. I also think the topic should be discussed and linked on this page. Cazort ( talk) 13:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Sexual reproduction, including human sexuality, evolved because of its effect on reproductive fitness. No discussion of human (or any other species) sexuality is complete without including reproductive fitness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.0.59.188 ( talk) 02:48, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
I recognize what you said in your edit summary, but there's no way we're going to find a photo that encompasses the history, culture, politics, and ethics of human sexuality. A bar scene does represent an aspect of culture, though, so I believe it's apt for the article. Thoughts? -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 02:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone else think it's a bit excessive to have two paragraphs devoted to Foucault's views in the introduction? Although I realize he holds a lot of influence in the social sciences and academia, many authorities disagree with him and it seems inappropriate to mention him to the exclusion of everyone else. Additionally, I don't see why whoever wrote this couldn't just use plain language and had to resort to postmodernist babble and putting every other word in quotes, when the actual point they are trying to get across is relatively simple. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.147.224 ( talk) 06:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't redirect here. It could refer to any number of things, e.g. sexual reproduction etc. If it is to be kept at all I would suggest it be a disambiguation page, though I wouldn't know exactly what to put in there. Richard001 ( talk) 08:54, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Love is found in someone you trust, that cares for you, someone that is involed in well, your life. If you want love don't go to a online dating place, they don't know your type! Go to a happy place like a walk, maybe... To get a mans attention...
1. Wear fancy make-up NOT TO MUCH!
2. Be you, be yourself
3. Have fun on the first date, say every thing you want to say
4. Don't bring up a person, this is your date
5. Giggle at his jokes
6. If you want to make it a nice fun date go to a park or a fancy restaurant
7. If he likes haunting take him for a walk
To have a fun date with girls...
1. Make sure you have cool, chillin' out clothes 2. Make her laugh 3. Don't make out on the first date only when you drop her off at her house [after your first date kiss as much as you want] 4. Make moves at the movies 5. Pop a mint before the date or on the way home to her house to give her the kiss 6. Make it the best night of her life 7. Take her to a fancy restaurant, amussment park, a walk, or something fun [movies] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.2.40.115 ( talk) 14:03, 6 February 2009 (UTC) lame —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.12.209 ( talk) 07:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
All those of you watching this page, please come and have a look at linguistics. There is a gross misrepresentation and censorship taking place there. Post-structural linguistics has been deleted and censored by the community there, and I urge you to participate in the discussion to restore a balanced view for the article. Supriya 07:22, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Over the past few days I have done a fair amount of editing on this article. The problem now is to decide when to stop. It would, for example, be possible to include sections on the role of sexuality in art, literature and music, its influence on fashion (e.g. clothing), its place in the theater, TV and cinema, and in advertising. Last but not least, we could include a section on sexuality and the internet. Any opinions on this? The article is important as it is a Level 2 core topic.- Ipigott ( talk) 15:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
How "unconventional" are the "Unconventional Practices"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.159.123.0 ( talk) 01:17, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone object to me setting up automatic archiving for this page using MiszaBot? Unless otherwise agreed, I would set it to archive threads that have been inactive for 30 days and keep the last ten threads.-- Oneiros ( talk) 22:06, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
As given in the article, the definition is this: Intercourse: the act, sometimes referred to as penetration, in which the male reproductive organ enters the female reproductive tract with a view to achieving orgasm.
This seems to me to be absurdly restrictive. Anal intercourse, then, is not intercourse? Penetrative sex between two people of the same sex is not intercourse? Penetration with a prosthesis is not intercourse? Oral sex is ... what, exactly? No, no, I cannot agree that intercourse is limited to vaginal sex between man and woman, necessarily focussed on orgasm as a goal.
I'm tempted to just edit this absurdity out of hand, but frankly I'd like to hear some consensus on what the essential core of intercourse is. I'm inclined to centre it in penetration; that is, intercourse occurs when one person's bodily member -- tongue, fingers, penis, or a substitute such as a dildo -- enters another's bodily orifice, for the purpose of sexual gratification (which may or may not entail or result in orgasm for either partner). Others may disagree. But I cannot accept that such a limited definition as the article carries now can or should stand. -- Getheren ( talk) 23:30, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I would concur, even the wikipedia article on sexual intercourse appears to coincide with your statements. Maybe that section of the article should be edited more. Seeing that the "Creating a partnership" section does not appear to be taken from an single source and appears more to be a amalgam of several other wikipedia articles. At the very least it should be more representative of the wikipedia article it links to. That section also appears to be linked to the "Human Sexual Behavior" article, but that article has nothing on courting, nor flirting, nor seduction. We might want to source this section a lot better, or possibly take it down as a whole. ZgokE ( talk) 23:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
The article Homosexuality is undergoing revision. The revised version is available in the Sandbox and the project documentation and coordination is taking place in the Sandbox's talk page.
I would appreciate if people joined in. I'm currently looking towards forming a team for the revision and future maintenance of this article.
Thank you,
Pdorion (
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08:18, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Human_sexuality
That link has a much better article on human sexuality than this wikipedia. You may want to take some notes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheThomas ( talk • contribs) 20:05, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
That is some stupid crap that is currently quoted in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheThomas ( talk • contribs) 20:08, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
And unless I'm mistaken, the whole "second born more likely to be homosexual or bisexual due to in-utero chemicals" pretty clearly seems to be an argument for nature. Not only that, it's an unsupported claim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.140.157.69 ( talk) 05:41, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
To claim the fact that some twins share similar sexual orientations because of genetics, as an argument for "nature," discounts how having similar upbringings can affect sexual orientation. Like most things, evidence usually indicates a combination of environment and genetics. For example, in Greek and Roman culture it was considered normal to have homosexual relationships with other males. In modern American culture, this is largely considered taboo. People cannot simply be defined as gay or straight based on a genetic makeup. They may be more or less inclined to have homosexual attractions due to genetics, but especially since sexuality develops over time, I'd say there is plenty of room to argue either side. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeraldojuice ( talk • contribs) 21:10, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Firstly, making statements like "this is some stupid crap", arent really relevant or appropriate. The idea of Human Sexuality is a subjective concept and product of the psyche just as is the concept that Nature Versus Nurture. I would suggest that ALL who take interest in the subject of Human Sexuality and it's correlation with the concept, not fact (as it may be considered that nothing is absolute fact, only considered accurate based on testing, perception, experience and other subjective and variable factors) that Nature versus Nurture, bear in mind, that;
1. We "assume" that Nature versus Nurture 2. Nurture, or the conditioning, influences, environmental factors and external stimuli that affect human behaviour do so for a reason and can be considered to do this because it is a "natural" developmental and innate characteristic of mankind in ensuring,fundamentally, survival, and continued growth, psychologically and/or physically. 3. What is defined as Nature often entails characteristics that have been direclty affected or modified by some form of Nurture, no matter how small. 4. We "assume" that Nature can only relate to Physically or Biologically defined characteristics of Human Behaviour forgetting sometimes Nurture can override this. i.e. suicide, which can be a result of Nurture and Nature depending on circumstance. 5. We "assume" that Nurture can only relate to Psychologically or cognitive defined characteristics of Human Behaviour forgetting sometimes Nature can override this, i.e. cannibalism which can be a result of Nurture and Nature depending on circumstance. 6. We ignor the possibility that infact both are a product of one another and indeed share a co-dependancy and direct correlation with one another and human development.
Naturally the above is based on my own experience and interpretation of the concept and of course I am open to criticism. I aim simply to stress the importance of a broad and perhaps mildly philosophical perspective when considering such subjective ideas for the benefit of an encyclopedia and in turn, others seeking understanding and development of their own perception of such subjects and concepts.
AndrewAird ( talk) 23:25, 30 January 2012 (UTC)Andrew Aird, UK, 23:23GMT 30/01/2012 AndrewAird ( talk) 23:25, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
To me that says that there needs to be an outpouring of information onto this page. Once the basic facts are down, more focus need be given to editorializing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheThomas ( talk • contribs) 20:22, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of there being people who are polysexual, this article presupposes the idea that sex is binary and doesn't allow for intersexuals to be a part of sexuality (that is, if we accept that narrow concepts in it). For more information on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polysexual http://frank.mtsu.edu/~phollowa/5sexes.html
Even if you don't agree that there are more than two sexes (according to the current classifications of what is is to be a man or a woman) it ought to be included in the article as this is about a belief system. The belief that there are 2 sexes vs the belief that there are more than 2 sexes within the human species. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.86.111.140 ( talk) 00:00, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
I can agree it has a place in the article, but I think you're confusing sex and gender. Aside from rare cases of true hermaphroditism, the sexual binary stands, a given individual is going to genetically be a man or a woman. Gender is what one views themselves as and expects society to, and many cultures have over 2 genders. This being an article about human sexuality, your point still stands and I think it is a valid addition. Just as homosexuality is a valid topic.
Atombomb93 (
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18:25, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
So, aside from legitimate (if rare) examples of the third case, let's just go on talking as if there are only two sexes? And the adjective "true" in front of hermaphroditism also clearly hides perhaps further categories. In point of fact, what precisely should be taken as the biological determination for "man" or "woman". The chromosomes? And the fact that there are a range of variations (not merely idiosyncratic expressions, but classes of variation found in more than one person) within those chromosomes shall be ignored for the sake of shoe-horning everyone into "male" or "female"? The article could simply acknowledge what the standard definitions are for these things, so long as the wider range of expression is also acknowledged. Lastly, since human sexual expression is prior to language (and thus categories like "man" or "woman"), then one can see it's not too irrational to suggest that people who today we would call homosexual could not have been seen as another sex (and I do mean "sex" not "gender"). In any case, the fact of hermaphroditism necessitates not insisting on the binary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Talastra ( talk • contribs) 22:42, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
I think that the possibility of asexuality should be included in this article, perhaps in the sexual attraction section. The way the article is written, it doesn't seem to allow for the possibility of no sexual attraction to naturally occur in humans. One possible link on the subject is AVEN, the Asexual Visibility and Education Network ( http://www.asexuality.org/home/). Alternately, a link to ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality) could be included. 128.211.192.105 ( talk) 02:35, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Here are relevant resources that I will be using when revamping this article.
1) “Sex Matters: The Sexuality and Society Reader” by Mindy Stombler, Dawn M. Baunach, Elisabeth O. Burgess, Denise Donnelly, and Wendy Simonds. 2) “Human Sexuality Today” by Bruce M. King 3) “Effecting Science, Affecting Medicine: Homosexuality, The Kinsey Reports, and The Contested Boundaries of Psychopathology in the United States, 1948-1965” by Howard Hsueh-Hao Chiang. 4) “Sexes: Masters and Johnson on Homosexuality” by Time Magazine 5) The Kinsey Institute Online Website 6) "Major Patterns of Change and Continuity: World History in Brief" by Peter N. Stearns 7) PBS Documentary "Kinsey" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aprilmehta ( talk • contribs) 06:21, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Aprilmehta ( talk) 16:21, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
We revised the introduction to better explain the new format and topics discussed in the article. The sections edited include the introduction, Nature vs. Nurture debate, biology and physiology. In the bio section anatomy, sexual response and sexual dysfunction were added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briannaorozco ( talk • contribs) 16:45, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
RE: History section
I decided that this section fits perfect in sociocultural aspects because human history has major influences on how society views sexuality. Aprilmehta ( talk) 08:53, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Our total renovations first draft is complete...Please allow us at least 24 hours to complete this renovation. Aprilmehta ( talk) 09:39, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
This section needs major work. All of this information is ridiculous.
Aprilmehta ( talk) 17:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Sexual Response Cycle, paragraph 2 states, "The third stage, orgasm, during which rhythmic contractions occur every eighth of a second, consist ..."
First off, minor grammar issue, that should be consistS.
More importantly, "every eighth of a second," means it happens eight times a second, which is clearly wrong. I believe the figure is once every 0.8 seconds, but have not the time today to locate a proper authority for that. — Preceding
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Hilde27 (
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13:32, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
While it is perfectly acceptable to include an image of female genitals close up in a factual article, together with a diagram, it is noticeable that there is no comparable image of male genitals, though there is a diagram for this. There are two alternative ways to solve this problem: one is to remove the photo of female genitals. The other is to add a photo of male genitals. Failing to do that, one cannot take this page seriously as a factual site - it is clearly affected by some kind of prejudice which does not do justice to the apparently documentary style of the page and site. I have read the whole page but this flaw undermines its credibility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elijahswatch ( talk • contribs) 11:40, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
The two paragraphs dealing with Christian and Catholic views of sexuality are puerile and unsubstantiated.
Stating that "St. Paul regarded the body as evil" is a hopeless generalization of a very complex view that includes statements such as "your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God?" (I Cor 6:19) I have deleted the reference to the missionary position as a runoff of St. Paul's teaching because it has no source and is not relevant. The statement that "Saint Augustine believed that sex was sinful" is patently false and has no source, so I have revised those as well. I find it humorous that the writer of this section gratuitously includes a statement that Augustine's "assumptions are contradicted" by the Bible, when in fact Augustine's knowledge of Scripture was unparalleled.
The most egregious misinformation, which I have revised, states that "traditional Catholic views on sexuality place sexuality to be sinful": a statement which, besides improper grammar, has no foundation in any Catholic thinkers, past or present. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.83.37.7 ( talk) 17:03, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
An editor, Edgth has now twice removed a cited passage about pansexuality, asserting that it is "fringe". I do not believe this to be the case; the cited passage is from a reference text. If there is a dispute about weight, that is something that can be discussed, but that is a different matter. Further, this editor cites the number of page watchers and the length of time since the edit was made as evidence that it is uncontroversial, and I believe this to be inappropriate.
Will cross-post to WP:FRINGE/N, as this talk page does not seem to be very active. -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/ talk ]# ▄ 08:46, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Wayne R. Dynes, who wrote a short article in Cato Institute's The Encyclopedia of Libertarianism is a long respected scholar on the subject, and has useful things to say. The article itself covers a wide variety of aspects concerning sexuality, including philosophical, legal, historical, religion, philosophical. etc. The particular article is in the further reading section and complies with WP:FURTHER. So why shouldn't it be included? – S. Rich ( talk) 03:28, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
I removed a source in the lead that is not RS or an acceptable tertiary source as it is strictly user generated content.-- Maleko Mela ( talk) 12:09, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
"The ways in which people experience and express themselves as sexual beings; the awareness of themselves as males or females; the capacity they have for erotic experiences and responses." I think the second part of the definition is confusing. Sexual identity or sexual self-identification is our awareness as males, females or third sex etc... Այնշախոր ( talk) 06:08, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
Note: This discussion is continued below in the #Male/Female/Man/Woman/sex/sexes and equivalent are absent from opening paragraphs section below. Flyer22 ( talk) 02:17, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
There is no mention of these words until outline. They should be mentioned prior to that as they play a defining role in human sexuality. According to the intersex article they cover 99.5% of sex. If we were talking about otters, wouldnt the first thing we want to know is that there are male and female otters? Mrdthree ( talk) 23:44, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the entire issue. Most of the bold words you made refer to sex in the "sexual intercourse" sense, not the biological sex sense. You do not need male/female (as in biological sex) to have sexuality or sexual intercourse. Trans people, eunuchs, intersex, and all other sorts of people that do not fit the male/female dichotomy are able to be sexual. Moreover, they are able to be sexual in relation to non-male/female things. People can orgasm without sex organs. Having a penis/vulva or certain chromosomes is not necessary for sexuality in humans. Moreover, your understanding of biological sex itself is incorrect as there are not just two sexes and not all sexual behavior is a consequence of it. EvergreenFir ( talk) 02:44, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
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Mrdthree (
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Please read WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. You are attempting to force your own understanding of human sexuality without citing sources specifically on the topic. This article is much broader than human reproduction and is not limited to issues biological sex. This article is about erotic feeling and expression in humans. It includes sections on reproduction and biological basis of sexual drives. However it would be WP:UNDUE to force that issue in the lead as you are trying to. Someone call the glue factory. EvergreenFir ( talk) 16:43, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
In general, I am at this point open to suggestions. How can we incorporate a discussion/summary of the sexes (male female, intersex) into the lead paragraph? How can we make a reasonable sentence somewhere in the lead paragraph that mentions the sexes? Some of you think I am in the wrong place, but this is the disambiguation note to this page: This article is about human sexual anatomy, sexuality and perceptions. For information specifically about sexual activities, see Human sexual activity. "Sexuality" redirects here. For sexual behavior among other animals, see Animal sexuality. For other uses, see Sexuality (disambiguation). Mrdthree ( talk) 01:31, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
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I read this montrosity of an article and it does not address human sexuality from a science based prospective but from individual beliefs (opinions). Is this the goal of wikipedia to have articles written from a I believe this or someone else believes that standpoint. This article is substantially worthless, confusing, poorly wriiten, off topic (opinion piece), and hardly to the point. Rewrite with different unbiased editors is my opinion as it is largely agenda propaganda. No one cares what you or some agenda oriented site thinks. What does scientific research say? 208.54.40.228 ( talk) 20:22, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
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I have no longstanding or longterm interest in contributing to the quality of the article, but have a strong interest in seeing broad, general improvements in the sourcing of scientific articles—including those in the common space between social and biological sciences. And I have an interest in seeing IP editors treated well, by the majority of us, not the few.
The recent visiting IP editor was so set upon by more experienced editors that I thought I would perform a first-pass (rough draft) evaluation of this article, strictly from the perspective of evaluating its sources.
The goals in doing this are three:
In doing this, I am applying the same academic standards as I might have in reviewing a paper submission from a sixth form or older student, on into university. This is the sort of thing that, while scholarly (so we might each might differ on the details of the analysis), all might agree to the trends represented (and all might have arrived at the same perception within minutes reviewing the article references, and have accomplished a full first-pass evaluation in an hour or so.) That is, we can see for ourselves, instead of taking the a priori position that all is fine enough to remain, or insisting a new editor argue her or his case, thoroughly and decisively, to more seasoned Wikipedia hands.
After having done this evaluation, I have come to the conclusion that the article weaknesses referred to by the IP editor appear to be substantiated. From the persecutive of reliability of information, based on expectation of high quality and verifiable secondary sources suited to the content, I conclude that the article is in very poor condition.
After reviewing this summary of the state of this article's sources, see if you might not agree.
Here, in bullet form, are cogent observations from the evaluation of the article's sourcing:
The following list provides some particularly questionable examples of sources (omitting entirely the many incomplete book and journal references that are unverifiable for their incompleteness) —
A further alternative plan to maintaining most text and working over time to improve the article, and perhaps a desirable course to make rapid improvements, would be to redact weak sections / parts in toto, esp. where the material is unverifiable, e.g.,
How to proceed on these fronts is up to the regular committed editors here (much, much less up to me, or any that are just vulturing/fly-bys).
Regardless of the course pursued, please, take visiting IP editors seriously. They may not have the time or the markup experience to assist us in the ways we wish. But they may nevertheless be correct in their intuitions or assessments, and may be potential valued contributors in future. And bias against them is simply against WP policy. Le Prof Leprof 7272 ( talk) 19:35, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
There is a strange circularity for these pages. On the eroticism page, erotic is defined pointing to the human sexuality article-- Eroticism (from the Greek ἔρως, eros—"desire") is a quality that causes " sexual" feelings. Meanwhile the human sexuality article points to the Eroticism page. Human sexuality is the capacity to have erotic experiences and responses. Put them together and you get Human sexuality is the capacity to have " sexual" feelings. Mrdthree ( talk) 06:18, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Time waited was about the standard required 30 days. (If you planned a response tomorrow or Friday, apologies.) The broader WIkipedia community perhaps can now have a look. Please do not remove the tags until the issues are dealt with, systematically. (Here is the list, from above, again. See Citation analysis section from second week of May, above). Note, the "single source" tag refers to the 47 inline references to the King text editions (refs. 2 and 53 as of this date), all without page numbers.
Here, in bullet form, is a cogent summary of the earlier evaluation of the article's sourcing. There were observed:
The following list provides some particularly questionable examples of sources (omitting entirely the many incomplete book and journal references that are unverifiable for their incompleteness) — *Particularly dubious web sources:
Le Prof Leprof 7272 ( talk) 02:35, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
According to the lede "Human sexuality is the capacity to have erotic experiences and responses." Some of what is in this article seems to belong more in the sexual behavior article. Also, why are the opinions of Thomas Aquinas, Sigmund Freud and John Locke given such a disproportionate importance? 188.27.68.165 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:56, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
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The section titled "Sexuality in late Adulthood" has citation issues. Also, the section titled "Creating a Relationship" has citation issues as well This article could also use a reference page. It could use more secondary sources, because it relies too much on the primary source. It also needs page numbers for some of the books referenced. My plans are to add secondary sources to the article, create a reference page, and make sure are the sources are cited properly, with page numbers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbbyNewell ( talk • contribs) 17:14, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
@ AbbyNewell:@ Noyster:@ Flyer22:
The citation issues—the earlier repeated calling attention to tens of citations of books not giving page numbers, web sources that are ridiculous in an encyclopedia, etc.—have not, at first glance, been addressed in any substantial, comprehensive way. The article, as a whole, remains far outside of compliance with WP:VERIFY. Unfortunately, there is an enormous amount of hard, slogging, editing yet to be done.
But first, something more critical is required. Whatever bit by bit has been done is meaningless until the cadre of devoted, experienced editors here take a stand, and allow no further addition of:
This article's subject is a principle, critically important topic in the social sciences, for goodness sake. There are reviews and other good secondary sources abounding. Why not scrutinize every addition, for full adherence to WP:VERIFY, given past loose sourcing? (Not whether it sounds plausible, or is a seeming addition, but is it drawn from a good secondary source, or is it WP:OR?) If a patient is bleeding, and the first course of emergency care is not to staunch the flow of blood, the patient will bleed out before other issues can be addressed. And so here; addition of new material that is not encyclopedic to a high standard only propagates the notion that it is acceptable to use of this article as a dumping ground for any statement or opinion oncoming individuals reading through might wish to make. This flow in the direction of article death must be staunched. A firm position, "No new material without good secondary sourcing." needs be taken.
Then, the same group of devoted editors must begin the arduous process, section by section, paragraph by paragraph, of checking the veracity of existing text. (For this reason, I applaud the initiative suggested by AbbyN, though would suggest working alongside an experienced editor to make sure the WP procedures and styles are learned and used.) I argue the ¶-by-¶, §-by-§ approach for three reasons.
Finally, material citing books that lack the page numbers required by WP:VER—and in this case, this is the second and third strikes against the King undergraduate textbooks that are repeatedly cited, see Footnotes 3 and 53 (cited about 40 times)—are, as has been noted above, essentially unverifiable. Who can have the time to look for key words from hundreds of sentences in many tens of paragraphs, to see if a book cited sans page numbers does indeed say what the editor suggests? The fact that the original editor could not be bothered to provide page number, and that no one has in the years since, makes such material suspicious. I will go on record as being one that challenges the lot of these King-footnoted sentences; if another one or two joins me in challenging, unless there is a similar well-spring in support of any unsourced of these many statements, they can simply can be removed, per WP:VER.
Finally, in dealing with the book issue, look at the page number improve tag that WP provides (I am elevating it today)—it states 1-2 page range for books. Because such is universally absent, you may as well start over with those paragraphs and sections: Find your own good reviews or graduate school text books, and pull each paragraph, one by one, and replace it with a verifiable new paragraph of content.
All the best. [A scholar in other areas.] 50.179.252.14 ( talk) 18:43, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
title=Human_sexuality&diff=706522665&oldid=706522236 here.] Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 20:16, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Snow close, for reasons recommended above.
Conclusion: the images do not need references. Maproom ( talk) 11:19, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
As seen with this and this link, there is a difference of opinion regarding whether or not the images in the article should have references. For those seeing this RfC from the RfC page or your user talk page (via an RfC alert), the matter is discussed above on the talk page at Talk:Human sexuality#Citation issues imply content issues, and still remain. I will alert WP:Anatomy and WP:Med to this RfC. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 22:37, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Alerted here and here. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 22:54, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
I have just received an RFC to this page. The only discussion I see was closed a week ago. If there is anything that I am required to do, please ping me. If not, please don't bother. JonRichfield ( talk) 05:21, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
There is a {{ Cn}} template on the claim that in Judaism celibacy is considered sinful. The claim and {{ Cn}} can be read two ways. It should be clarified whether the {{ Cn}} is for a claim that celibacy per se is sinful, or only for a claim that celibacy within marriage is sinful. In general, celibacy by a single man is considered normal, but a married man has three duties to his wife, one of which is her sexual enjoyment.
Judaism has a niche for a man who wishes be a nazir (ascetic), but that niche does not encompass marriage. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 19:53, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
…@ Flyer22 Reborn:, @ Maproom:, @ Nigelj:, @ WhatamIdoing:, @ Doc James:, @ LT910001:, @ JonRichfield:, @ WhatamIdoing:, @ Snow Rise:, @ Alsee:, I would say, as I already have, that images are a form of content, and contain intellectual assertions which may or may not have authority. Moreover, they are increasingly being used, especially in scientific articles, as policy-end-arounds, to circumvent WP:VERIFY. [In reading the following, in referring to WP:VERIFY and WP:OR, and am not referring to how they are most often applied and interpreted, I am referring to what they state, in their texts, and what they indicate, on most straight-forward reading, is their aim. That is, I am aiming for what those developing the policies and guidelines were aiming for (to a degree, informed by various JW comments and interpretations), and not, a decade later, how they have evolved in application.]
The very fact that Doc can say, "if I take a picture of a strep throat"—as unregistered editors Londoner500 and Coastone did with the appearing selfless of their privates—makes the very point I wish to make. Forget that Doc is an expert, with credentials. Imagine all editors having this freedom, and you have the morass I already see, in place after place in this encyclopedia. That is, we can either restrict the placement of images to the final authority of those experts such as we have in the Doc's of this place, or we can adhere to a policy that will safeguard content edits (image additions) made by "the least of these," our fellow editors.
This is, in fact, in part, informed by a history with, e.g., particular untrained editors running a personal science museum out their garage at home in the EU, who routinely take pictures of their glassware, and place them, with authority, into chemistry articles. Think the same, from laypersons, regarding Doc's medical malady. Shall I, a chemist, take a picture of my DVT-impacted leg, and place it at that article, as an illustration of a limb impacted by a DVT? (Someone has in fact already done this, and we take on faith, and only on faith, that their presentation is an accurate portrayal of medical information. I for one say it is not.) As for me presenting mine—though PhD-trained, and pharma and uni-faculty vetted, I say "No, a thousand times no." I am just an editor. My interpretation of data has no standing. And this is true, whether the data are from primary text sources, or the data are visual/graphic, and my original research (selfie-taking) is the primary source.
I argued all of this, earlier; and despite massive and earnest review and voting, time does not appear to have been taken to address much of my foregoing substance. (Who above, addressed the fact that one of the image sources is luckymojo.com? Please search above.)
The bottom line is that good scientific and medical publishing practice should obtain. Simply put, every journal recognizes images as equally data-rich as text, and therefore as equally intellectual content-containing. An image would never be allowed in Britannica, or a major text, without it being anchored, somehow to authority (the authors credentials being the authority most frequently used). But we do not recognize editorial authority or credentials. Our authority derives from traceability to source. Hence, we should likewise honor the importance and (potential) content-richness of images, as other scientific publishers do, and demand that our image content be authoritative. As authority at WP begins and ends with our stating the authority (source) on which the information is based, I can see no conclusion that image content must be tied to a source.
Hence, if an image is redrawn from another, it should bear "Redrawn from…" and the source (original) should be stated. If an image is based on another, and/or additional sources, it should bear "Based on…" and all contributing sources should be cited. That is to say, the authority on which we conclude, "These are the correct parts of the anatomy, here" (or whatever judgment we make as editors about the image) needs to be provided, otherwise the content of the image is based on WP editor expertise and authority. And that, I think we can all agree is a fundamental no-no. [Consider this as my response to the accusation that I misinterpret WP:OR as it applies to images; you say "if they are correctly labeled". I say, what is your authority for making this call? And why is the case of this intellectual content different from the same judgement of the factual accuracy of a paragraph of text (which does require that we state the source of our confident assertion of content accuracy)?]
Otherwise, image selection and placement is, potentially, all just an end-around, a way to sneak in non-authoritative, or authoritatively suspect material that—simply put—is just a manifestation of WP:OR.
As for the contention that we need worry about sourcing in general, "only when an [editor] believes that it may not be possible for an interested person to find a source" is to relegate this encyclopedia to the rubbish heap, by applying the lowest interpretation of guidelines to all practice. I utterly reject this, and believe those reading, if they give it a moment of thought—high school readers, of whom we demand the ability to verify our content for us?—also will reject this passive, non-authoritative "may not be possible" passage as governing the need for citations in science and medical articles.
Finally, as I have said, I don't care a whit how often this is already being done, or that this is "highly impractical (and would necessitate a project-wide shift in approach that cannot be mandated in this space)"—that is, I don't care how many such WP:OR and WP:VERIFY-violating instances are already in the encyclopedia. With every decision, and every article, we can decide to staunch the bleeding. Here, above we choose to not do so.
So be it. Thus, absent an effort at Wikimedia Commons, to impose uniform sourcing standards for images, the derivative information, in image form, in the encyclopedia, moves WP to becoming more like a "just trust us" blogpost, as it fails to take the substantive intellectual content in images seriously, by taking the extra time of stating sources (if known) and not using images without clear intellectual origin.
What is most galling, is that the self portraits remain, without statement of authority as to the textbook origin of the labels. (No, as a chemist, this sky is not blue—all of these labels are not common knowledge, to the young people who read this article.) In addition, cases where sources were found, initially, as an editorial response, they were removed. (Why? Why must examples of extra care in sourcing be removed?) They've now been returned, as URL-only citations. Help us all. Then, attention was called to other images culled from non-authoritative sources (luckymojo.com). In that case, the response seems to be—whatever the source is/was, I as an editor, can, on my authority, affirm the content, and as I do, no better source than me confirming the content is needed." This, rather than just telling us, how is it that you know, with authority, that the image is what it says it is, and that the labels are correct. I find this rejection of an obvious QC standard, appearing in all other authoritative online educational venues to be simply incomprehensible, and intellectually inconsistent as an approach.
All from me. Cheers. Le Prof 50.129.227.141 ( talk) 05:09, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
…because it was removed, with no effort having been made to solve the problem, which remains egregious. Contrary to @ Doc James: assertion, many tens of examples of books completely without page numbers remain—see refs 3, 8, 18, 20, 57, 77, 87. And the matter has gotten worse, since Doc's tag removal. (Another book was added, again with no page numbers.) There are clear policies about removing tags. Click on the link appearing in the tag, to see when it is appropriate to remove this tag. Le Prof 50.129.227.141 ( talk) 06:56, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
The start of the second paragraph reads: "Sexual activity is a vital principle of human living that connects the desires, pleasures, and energy of the body with a knowledge of human intimacy." Should this sentence really be here? It seems profoundly unscientific / waffly. Does it have a purpose? What does it even mean? CheCheDaWaff ( talk) 08:53, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
Freud made his career on sexuality. John Locke never wrote a single thing on human sexuality. Linking him to the subject is original research, (WP:OR). The history of Nature versus nurture arguments is another topic. Mrdthree ( talk) 22:16, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
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Miesianiacal changed the wording of "Heterosexual people are attracted to the members of the opposite sex. Homosexual people are attracted to people of the same sex. Those who are bisexual are attracted to both men and women." to "Heterosexual people are predominantly attracted to members of the opposite sex; homosexual people are primarily attracted to people of the same sex; and those who are more widely attracted to both men and women are considered bisexual."
I objected by reverting because Miesianiacal's wording implies that everyone is bisexual or sexually fluid. While there are researchers who believe this, wording the text that way is non-neutral because there are many more researchers who don't believe that everyone is bisexual or sexually fluid. And it's not the case that every researcher who studies sexuality subscribes to the Kinsey scale. The literature on sexual orientation does not usually indicate that heterosexual and gay and lesbian people have somewhat of a desire for the sex/gender they do not favor, unless talking about a sexual identity that does not match sexual attraction and/or sexual behavior. Yes, regarding sexual orientation, there are people who identify one way but feel and act another. That's not what the wording is about, though. The wording I reverted to is the most neutral wording. It does not state "exclusively" or "primarily." After reverting Miesianiacal, per WP:Due weight and the fact that Miesianiacal's wording can make people think it's stating that everyone is bisexual or sexually fluid, I added a source from the American Psychological Association and further tweaked some wording.
Miesianiacal came back, this time using the word "tendency" and a dictionary source, and stating, "absolutism of wording leads to conflict; definitions provided put bisexuals as both 'heterosexual' and 'gay' / much literature explains sexuality spectrum, not polarity / terminology inconsistently uses casual and technical language." I reverted again. The dictionary source doesn't even begin with "tendency." It is used after the primary wording, which is like the wording I reverted to for the article. Furthermore, a dictionary source does not trump the American Psychological Association source. For sexual orientation topics, we should be relying on authoritative organizations and scholarly sources. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 15:31, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Note: I queried WP:LGBT about this case. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 17:37, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Heterosexual people identify as being attracted to members of the opposite sex... etc.In this sense, if I identify as hetero, I identify as attracted to opposite. If I identify as gay; I identify as attracted to same. This is all regardless of whether some fancy lab test, by their particular standards, would say I'm only actually 92% straight, or only actually 87% gay. TimothyJosephWood 17:46, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Same topic. KATMAKROFAN ( talk) 04:22, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: No move. Cúchullain t/ c 14:57, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Human sexuality →
Sexuality – I don't think we need the human disambig in the title. The main category for this is
Category:Sexuality. What non-human sexuality is there?
Animal sexuality redirects to
Animal sexual behaviour. Unless someone thinks sexuality should be a disambig (and even so,
sexuality (disambiguation) already exists...)?
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
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What non-human sexuality is there?Simple answer: all sexuality that isn't human. TimothyJosephWood 13:55, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
In the the third paragraph of the introduction, there is a section which states:
" In the study of human chromosomes in human sexuality, research has shown that 'ten percent of the population has chromosomal variations that do not fit neatly into the XX-female and XY-male set of categories'.[7]"
The source comes from "Butler, Judith. Gender Trouble: Feminism and the Subversion of Identity. New York City: Routledge, 1990. 107". I cannot verify whether or not this claim is substantiated by available data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:BD2F:9330:24E3:690E:99C8:3CF2 ( talk) 23:52, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
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Bisexality, as well as other distinct sexual identities such as queer and transexual, seem to be completely missing from both these articles, why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flufybumblebee ( talk • contribs) 01:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. The 'Unconventional Practices' sections is misleadingly short as well, it mentions BDSM and fetishism as if those are only options. There is a tremendous range of unusual stuff which people get up to. Much unusual sex is lumped in with fetishism - inaccurately since a fetish is a fairly precisely defined thing. 196.209.232.222 ( talk) 19:06, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
“Human sexuality is not simply imposed by instinct or stereotypical conducts, as it happens in animals, but it is influenced both by superior mental activity and by..."
I am sorry, but the idea that human sexuality is governed by instinct is hopelessly outdated. Get your information straight. For instance, it does not need to take one man and one woman. A woman or a man can have sex by themselves. Not everybody in this world defines themselves as man or woman. Two women or two men (or three or four or more) can have sex. But the main thing is that we learn sex, we do not just instinctively do it. If you don't agree, think back to your first time. You will have to admit that you had to learn a great deal and perhaps you have since that time. Can you walk on two feet (a distinctly human trait) without anybody teaching you? Can you speak complex sentences (equally as human, no animal comes close to humans in the use of language) when you do not grow up in a social environment? If you want to compare your sexuality to that of chimps, I suggest you watch chimps copulate (I can't even call it sex). If that compares to your sexuality, you have my sympathy, but I happen to last a bit longer than a few seconds. User:nielsft12 April 2004.
I agree with 200.191.188.xxx, who added the
abortion link back into the article. In fact, I'd put it right under pregnancy. But it's extremely disingenuous to ignore the link between abortion and sexuality. <><
tbc
LOL. That was my opinion. :-) Western society must be the first in history to de-couple sexuality from a link with pregnancy. (I'd put abortion with Birth control/ Contraception on the page, myself, but I think we should leave it as a "see also" for now.)
That's very subjective opinion. Compared to other animals, human sexuality is quite simple. You know - you need just a male and a female and ... done :) Many important aspects of normal animal sexuality like estrus, sexual demonstrations, fighting between males before any copulation, eating partner or partner's previous children don't exist or exist only in very reduced form in humans. -- Taw
The term "instinct" is not very helpful in this discussion. It appears that there are some behaviors that are absolutely "hard-wired", but they are very simple, e.g., all babies react to the feeling of "the bottom dropping out". But many other behaviors may have a hard-wired basis that needs to meet the appropriate imprinting to be activated in a way useful to the individual.
Patrick0Moran 05:41, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)
There have been several changes to the line that currently reads "Historically, wisdom has not been a dominant factor in human sexuality." I don't think the current phrasing is very good. But I think that it should be resolved on the talk page instead of through back-and-forth changes in the article itself. Any suggestions for a good wording?
Acegikmo1 03:06, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
Why is this not merged with Human sexual behaviour? - S V 21:54, 2004 Jul 21 (UTC)
is it okay for this page to be under category:human ?
-- LegCircus 04:22, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)
I have made a minor change in the first paragraph because the article did not properly reflect the difference between sex and gender. Sexual identity is not a matter of socialization. Determining the sexual identity of a person breaks down into several objective questions: What is the chromosomal sex of this person (XX, XY, XXY...)? What is the status of the genitalia (typical female, typical male, XY individual with unmasculinized genitalia, etc.,etc.)? Societies generally insist on a 2-category system, the basic criterion for inclusion in one category or the other is whether the individual has, will have, or once had the capacity to produce ova or to produce spermatazoa. The ways that individuals are taught to represent what they are and what they want to do in a social/sexual/life-task context is called gender. P0M 05:53, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I have never placed an NPOV tag on a page yet, and I'm certainly not going to do so without taking part in a discussion first (unlike others I've encountered). But I think that this whole article both in its structure and content is very biased towards the "Western World" view of human sexuality. Where is the spirituality and the deeper understanding that many (probably the majority) of cultures in this world attempt to attach to this intriguing and fundamental concept?
I am a Westerner myself so I am not saying this out of self-interest, but I think this whole article is a bit one-sided in this respect.
TH 00:09, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
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— Ŭalabio‽ 03:09, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
I put Pedophilia and pederasty into paraphilia, those are not sexual orientations. I would also move Celibacy somewhere else, this is no-way related to sexual orientation but it is a way to live his sexuality.
I would like to thank the wikipedian who wrote "For information about sexual activities and practices (i.e., "doing it"), see the article human sexual behavior." LOL...--
Stupidwhiteman
12:43, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Enjoy it while you can. Anything the least bit humorous is a prime candidate for reversion.— GraemeMcRae talk 05:29, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I typed in "Facts of Life" to go to the entry on the T.V. and it took me here. This redirect needs to be eliminated in favor of a disam page. Pacian 01:08, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
The site of the Society for Human Sexuality probably deserves a link from somewhere (I'm not sure if this article is the place, hence bringing it up on the talk page); the group might even deserve an article. Seattle-based site, an outgrowth of one of the first broadly inclusive sex-positive student organizations. One of very few sites on the web trying to write from a positive but non-sensationalistic point of view about sexuality resources (ranging from pornography—which they prefer to call "erotica"—to web-based matchmaking services). Interesting site, not quite NPOV because systematically sex-positive, but something that seems to me to be a useful resource. Probably also a useful resource for topics worth writing about: my guess is that their relatively short list of erotic films would contain a bunch that deserve articles and don't yet have them. - Jmabel | Talk 06:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I added a new close relationships template to the article. If the consensus is to remove it, due to the other templates already taking up space on the page, I'm okay with that. ( Kelly 05:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC))
This section is just an huge ugly list.It should be reformed in to a template,for all the relevant articles.I would also propose a merge with Human sexual behavior.-- Pixel ;-) 18:27, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
What the hell are you trying to say?
I would rather see "Human sexuality is about fucking" than this piece of meaningless rubbish.
Sexual development redirects here, but it needs its own article, as it extremely varied amongst animals and an interesting topic which does not seem to be covered either by this article or Animal_sexuality. what do people think? Brallan 11:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I've split the list of articles into List of human sexuality topics, which was eating up way too much of the page. It took a while, but it got done.- Wafulz 02:20, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
There is a theory about the rationality of sexuality in the self-published book Work Efficiency and Likings by K. H. Tervola, which is avalilable in the internet for free at stores.lulu.com/khtervola. InsectIntelligence 19:21, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
The theory says that sexuality is a way to learn about the art of living. When we admire someone, are friends, love and/or feel physical attraction, we get lots of social influence from the other person's way to live and via that, i.e. via learning the dominant mood (consisting of the following: eyes, hearing, memory, thinking, language, social, feelings, atmospheres, the sense of beauty, the body,…), we learn the natural base of the skills of the other one, getting so new strenghts in addition to our old ones. Also the possible offspring would have the strenghts of both… InsectIntelligence 03:28, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
OK. Anyway, just in case that you are interested in the theory, the text of the book is at www.paradisewins.net/WEL.html . InsectIntelligence ( talk) 13:50, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Or just the theory about sexuality at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PbQs-MWnkw InsectIntelligence ( talk) 18:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Merge it. 63.228.107.65 01:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Apart from reproductivity there are two other aspects needed to be thought of. Out of these two one is "health" aspect. Sex is needed for the routine relaxation. For woman also to keep her body functioning-like monthly cycles- in order. The second one is nearness to "trance feelings" after the sex act is over. This feeling means expressing the gratitude to the almighty for allowing the pleasure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.187.218.81 ( talk) 11:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
There was a mini-paragraph near the top that I took out that merely looked like a garbled sentence at first, but proved to have been a deliberate attempt to insert false information. It's been there for some months, and used a fabricated citation (neither book nor author appear to exist). Do watch out in case anybody tries to put it back in. No more bongos 05:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Compare a passing meeting to 30 years of marriage: 30 years of being the closest adult in your life. That is 1 day compared to 30 years which is about 1 : 10 000. No wonder that we react strongly to the possibility of getting a partner that would suit us! InsectIntelligence ( talk) 13:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
It seems very bizarre to me that this page does not mention sexual repression. This subject has been studied extensively in the scholarly literature and there is a great variety of good sources on the topic presenting a number of different viewpoints. It's also a subject that relates very directly to a number of other topics, including, among others, culture, childbirth, birth control, general reproductive health, religion, women's health and other issues of the empowerment of women. In short, I see no reason that wikipedia should not contain an article on this topic. I am posting here because I am planning on recreating the page (I don't see any discussion of why it was deleted) and I would like to recruit thoughtful contributors to it. I also think the topic should be discussed and linked on this page. Cazort ( talk) 13:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Sexual reproduction, including human sexuality, evolved because of its effect on reproductive fitness. No discussion of human (or any other species) sexuality is complete without including reproductive fitness. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.0.59.188 ( talk) 02:48, August 30, 2007 (UTC)
I recognize what you said in your edit summary, but there's no way we're going to find a photo that encompasses the history, culture, politics, and ethics of human sexuality. A bar scene does represent an aspect of culture, though, so I believe it's apt for the article. Thoughts? -- SatyrTN ( talk / contribs) 02:00, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone else think it's a bit excessive to have two paragraphs devoted to Foucault's views in the introduction? Although I realize he holds a lot of influence in the social sciences and academia, many authorities disagree with him and it seems inappropriate to mention him to the exclusion of everyone else. Additionally, I don't see why whoever wrote this couldn't just use plain language and had to resort to postmodernist babble and putting every other word in quotes, when the actual point they are trying to get across is relatively simple. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.30.147.224 ( talk) 06:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't redirect here. It could refer to any number of things, e.g. sexual reproduction etc. If it is to be kept at all I would suggest it be a disambiguation page, though I wouldn't know exactly what to put in there. Richard001 ( talk) 08:54, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Love is found in someone you trust, that cares for you, someone that is involed in well, your life. If you want love don't go to a online dating place, they don't know your type! Go to a happy place like a walk, maybe... To get a mans attention...
1. Wear fancy make-up NOT TO MUCH!
2. Be you, be yourself
3. Have fun on the first date, say every thing you want to say
4. Don't bring up a person, this is your date
5. Giggle at his jokes
6. If you want to make it a nice fun date go to a park or a fancy restaurant
7. If he likes haunting take him for a walk
To have a fun date with girls...
1. Make sure you have cool, chillin' out clothes 2. Make her laugh 3. Don't make out on the first date only when you drop her off at her house [after your first date kiss as much as you want] 4. Make moves at the movies 5. Pop a mint before the date or on the way home to her house to give her the kiss 6. Make it the best night of her life 7. Take her to a fancy restaurant, amussment park, a walk, or something fun [movies] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.2.40.115 ( talk) 14:03, 6 February 2009 (UTC) lame —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.186.12.209 ( talk) 07:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
All those of you watching this page, please come and have a look at linguistics. There is a gross misrepresentation and censorship taking place there. Post-structural linguistics has been deleted and censored by the community there, and I urge you to participate in the discussion to restore a balanced view for the article. Supriya 07:22, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Over the past few days I have done a fair amount of editing on this article. The problem now is to decide when to stop. It would, for example, be possible to include sections on the role of sexuality in art, literature and music, its influence on fashion (e.g. clothing), its place in the theater, TV and cinema, and in advertising. Last but not least, we could include a section on sexuality and the internet. Any opinions on this? The article is important as it is a Level 2 core topic.- Ipigott ( talk) 15:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
How "unconventional" are the "Unconventional Practices"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.159.123.0 ( talk) 01:17, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone object to me setting up automatic archiving for this page using MiszaBot? Unless otherwise agreed, I would set it to archive threads that have been inactive for 30 days and keep the last ten threads.-- Oneiros ( talk) 22:06, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
As given in the article, the definition is this: Intercourse: the act, sometimes referred to as penetration, in which the male reproductive organ enters the female reproductive tract with a view to achieving orgasm.
This seems to me to be absurdly restrictive. Anal intercourse, then, is not intercourse? Penetrative sex between two people of the same sex is not intercourse? Penetration with a prosthesis is not intercourse? Oral sex is ... what, exactly? No, no, I cannot agree that intercourse is limited to vaginal sex between man and woman, necessarily focussed on orgasm as a goal.
I'm tempted to just edit this absurdity out of hand, but frankly I'd like to hear some consensus on what the essential core of intercourse is. I'm inclined to centre it in penetration; that is, intercourse occurs when one person's bodily member -- tongue, fingers, penis, or a substitute such as a dildo -- enters another's bodily orifice, for the purpose of sexual gratification (which may or may not entail or result in orgasm for either partner). Others may disagree. But I cannot accept that such a limited definition as the article carries now can or should stand. -- Getheren ( talk) 23:30, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I would concur, even the wikipedia article on sexual intercourse appears to coincide with your statements. Maybe that section of the article should be edited more. Seeing that the "Creating a partnership" section does not appear to be taken from an single source and appears more to be a amalgam of several other wikipedia articles. At the very least it should be more representative of the wikipedia article it links to. That section also appears to be linked to the "Human Sexual Behavior" article, but that article has nothing on courting, nor flirting, nor seduction. We might want to source this section a lot better, or possibly take it down as a whole. ZgokE ( talk) 23:24, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
The article Homosexuality is undergoing revision. The revised version is available in the Sandbox and the project documentation and coordination is taking place in the Sandbox's talk page.
I would appreciate if people joined in. I'm currently looking towards forming a team for the revision and future maintenance of this article.
Thank you,
Pdorion (
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08:18, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Human_sexuality
That link has a much better article on human sexuality than this wikipedia. You may want to take some notes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheThomas ( talk • contribs) 20:05, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
That is some stupid crap that is currently quoted in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheThomas ( talk • contribs) 20:08, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
And unless I'm mistaken, the whole "second born more likely to be homosexual or bisexual due to in-utero chemicals" pretty clearly seems to be an argument for nature. Not only that, it's an unsupported claim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.140.157.69 ( talk) 05:41, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
To claim the fact that some twins share similar sexual orientations because of genetics, as an argument for "nature," discounts how having similar upbringings can affect sexual orientation. Like most things, evidence usually indicates a combination of environment and genetics. For example, in Greek and Roman culture it was considered normal to have homosexual relationships with other males. In modern American culture, this is largely considered taboo. People cannot simply be defined as gay or straight based on a genetic makeup. They may be more or less inclined to have homosexual attractions due to genetics, but especially since sexuality develops over time, I'd say there is plenty of room to argue either side. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeraldojuice ( talk • contribs) 21:10, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Firstly, making statements like "this is some stupid crap", arent really relevant or appropriate. The idea of Human Sexuality is a subjective concept and product of the psyche just as is the concept that Nature Versus Nurture. I would suggest that ALL who take interest in the subject of Human Sexuality and it's correlation with the concept, not fact (as it may be considered that nothing is absolute fact, only considered accurate based on testing, perception, experience and other subjective and variable factors) that Nature versus Nurture, bear in mind, that;
1. We "assume" that Nature versus Nurture 2. Nurture, or the conditioning, influences, environmental factors and external stimuli that affect human behaviour do so for a reason and can be considered to do this because it is a "natural" developmental and innate characteristic of mankind in ensuring,fundamentally, survival, and continued growth, psychologically and/or physically. 3. What is defined as Nature often entails characteristics that have been direclty affected or modified by some form of Nurture, no matter how small. 4. We "assume" that Nature can only relate to Physically or Biologically defined characteristics of Human Behaviour forgetting sometimes Nurture can override this. i.e. suicide, which can be a result of Nurture and Nature depending on circumstance. 5. We "assume" that Nurture can only relate to Psychologically or cognitive defined characteristics of Human Behaviour forgetting sometimes Nature can override this, i.e. cannibalism which can be a result of Nurture and Nature depending on circumstance. 6. We ignor the possibility that infact both are a product of one another and indeed share a co-dependancy and direct correlation with one another and human development.
Naturally the above is based on my own experience and interpretation of the concept and of course I am open to criticism. I aim simply to stress the importance of a broad and perhaps mildly philosophical perspective when considering such subjective ideas for the benefit of an encyclopedia and in turn, others seeking understanding and development of their own perception of such subjects and concepts.
AndrewAird ( talk) 23:25, 30 January 2012 (UTC)Andrew Aird, UK, 23:23GMT 30/01/2012 AndrewAird ( talk) 23:25, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
To me that says that there needs to be an outpouring of information onto this page. Once the basic facts are down, more focus need be given to editorializing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheThomas ( talk • contribs) 20:22, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of there being people who are polysexual, this article presupposes the idea that sex is binary and doesn't allow for intersexuals to be a part of sexuality (that is, if we accept that narrow concepts in it). For more information on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polysexual http://frank.mtsu.edu/~phollowa/5sexes.html
Even if you don't agree that there are more than two sexes (according to the current classifications of what is is to be a man or a woman) it ought to be included in the article as this is about a belief system. The belief that there are 2 sexes vs the belief that there are more than 2 sexes within the human species. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.86.111.140 ( talk) 00:00, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
I can agree it has a place in the article, but I think you're confusing sex and gender. Aside from rare cases of true hermaphroditism, the sexual binary stands, a given individual is going to genetically be a man or a woman. Gender is what one views themselves as and expects society to, and many cultures have over 2 genders. This being an article about human sexuality, your point still stands and I think it is a valid addition. Just as homosexuality is a valid topic.
Atombomb93 (
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18:25, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
So, aside from legitimate (if rare) examples of the third case, let's just go on talking as if there are only two sexes? And the adjective "true" in front of hermaphroditism also clearly hides perhaps further categories. In point of fact, what precisely should be taken as the biological determination for "man" or "woman". The chromosomes? And the fact that there are a range of variations (not merely idiosyncratic expressions, but classes of variation found in more than one person) within those chromosomes shall be ignored for the sake of shoe-horning everyone into "male" or "female"? The article could simply acknowledge what the standard definitions are for these things, so long as the wider range of expression is also acknowledged. Lastly, since human sexual expression is prior to language (and thus categories like "man" or "woman"), then one can see it's not too irrational to suggest that people who today we would call homosexual could not have been seen as another sex (and I do mean "sex" not "gender"). In any case, the fact of hermaphroditism necessitates not insisting on the binary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Talastra ( talk • contribs) 22:42, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
I think that the possibility of asexuality should be included in this article, perhaps in the sexual attraction section. The way the article is written, it doesn't seem to allow for the possibility of no sexual attraction to naturally occur in humans. One possible link on the subject is AVEN, the Asexual Visibility and Education Network ( http://www.asexuality.org/home/). Alternately, a link to ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality) could be included. 128.211.192.105 ( talk) 02:35, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Here are relevant resources that I will be using when revamping this article.
1) “Sex Matters: The Sexuality and Society Reader” by Mindy Stombler, Dawn M. Baunach, Elisabeth O. Burgess, Denise Donnelly, and Wendy Simonds. 2) “Human Sexuality Today” by Bruce M. King 3) “Effecting Science, Affecting Medicine: Homosexuality, The Kinsey Reports, and The Contested Boundaries of Psychopathology in the United States, 1948-1965” by Howard Hsueh-Hao Chiang. 4) “Sexes: Masters and Johnson on Homosexuality” by Time Magazine 5) The Kinsey Institute Online Website 6) "Major Patterns of Change and Continuity: World History in Brief" by Peter N. Stearns 7) PBS Documentary "Kinsey" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aprilmehta ( talk • contribs) 06:21, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Aprilmehta ( talk) 16:21, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
We revised the introduction to better explain the new format and topics discussed in the article. The sections edited include the introduction, Nature vs. Nurture debate, biology and physiology. In the bio section anatomy, sexual response and sexual dysfunction were added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briannaorozco ( talk • contribs) 16:45, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
RE: History section
I decided that this section fits perfect in sociocultural aspects because human history has major influences on how society views sexuality. Aprilmehta ( talk) 08:53, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Our total renovations first draft is complete...Please allow us at least 24 hours to complete this renovation. Aprilmehta ( talk) 09:39, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
This section needs major work. All of this information is ridiculous.
Aprilmehta ( talk) 17:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Sexual Response Cycle, paragraph 2 states, "The third stage, orgasm, during which rhythmic contractions occur every eighth of a second, consist ..."
First off, minor grammar issue, that should be consistS.
More importantly, "every eighth of a second," means it happens eight times a second, which is clearly wrong. I believe the figure is once every 0.8 seconds, but have not the time today to locate a proper authority for that. — Preceding
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While it is perfectly acceptable to include an image of female genitals close up in a factual article, together with a diagram, it is noticeable that there is no comparable image of male genitals, though there is a diagram for this. There are two alternative ways to solve this problem: one is to remove the photo of female genitals. The other is to add a photo of male genitals. Failing to do that, one cannot take this page seriously as a factual site - it is clearly affected by some kind of prejudice which does not do justice to the apparently documentary style of the page and site. I have read the whole page but this flaw undermines its credibility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elijahswatch ( talk • contribs) 11:40, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
The two paragraphs dealing with Christian and Catholic views of sexuality are puerile and unsubstantiated.
Stating that "St. Paul regarded the body as evil" is a hopeless generalization of a very complex view that includes statements such as "your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God?" (I Cor 6:19) I have deleted the reference to the missionary position as a runoff of St. Paul's teaching because it has no source and is not relevant. The statement that "Saint Augustine believed that sex was sinful" is patently false and has no source, so I have revised those as well. I find it humorous that the writer of this section gratuitously includes a statement that Augustine's "assumptions are contradicted" by the Bible, when in fact Augustine's knowledge of Scripture was unparalleled.
The most egregious misinformation, which I have revised, states that "traditional Catholic views on sexuality place sexuality to be sinful": a statement which, besides improper grammar, has no foundation in any Catholic thinkers, past or present. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.83.37.7 ( talk) 17:03, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
An editor, Edgth has now twice removed a cited passage about pansexuality, asserting that it is "fringe". I do not believe this to be the case; the cited passage is from a reference text. If there is a dispute about weight, that is something that can be discussed, but that is a different matter. Further, this editor cites the number of page watchers and the length of time since the edit was made as evidence that it is uncontroversial, and I believe this to be inappropriate.
Will cross-post to WP:FRINGE/N, as this talk page does not seem to be very active. -- [ UseTheCommandLine ~/ talk ]# ▄ 08:46, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Wayne R. Dynes, who wrote a short article in Cato Institute's The Encyclopedia of Libertarianism is a long respected scholar on the subject, and has useful things to say. The article itself covers a wide variety of aspects concerning sexuality, including philosophical, legal, historical, religion, philosophical. etc. The particular article is in the further reading section and complies with WP:FURTHER. So why shouldn't it be included? – S. Rich ( talk) 03:28, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
I removed a source in the lead that is not RS or an acceptable tertiary source as it is strictly user generated content.-- Maleko Mela ( talk) 12:09, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
"The ways in which people experience and express themselves as sexual beings; the awareness of themselves as males or females; the capacity they have for erotic experiences and responses." I think the second part of the definition is confusing. Sexual identity or sexual self-identification is our awareness as males, females or third sex etc... Այնշախոր ( talk) 06:08, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
Note: This discussion is continued below in the #Male/Female/Man/Woman/sex/sexes and equivalent are absent from opening paragraphs section below. Flyer22 ( talk) 02:17, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
There is no mention of these words until outline. They should be mentioned prior to that as they play a defining role in human sexuality. According to the intersex article they cover 99.5% of sex. If we were talking about otters, wouldnt the first thing we want to know is that there are male and female otters? Mrdthree ( talk) 23:44, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the entire issue. Most of the bold words you made refer to sex in the "sexual intercourse" sense, not the biological sex sense. You do not need male/female (as in biological sex) to have sexuality or sexual intercourse. Trans people, eunuchs, intersex, and all other sorts of people that do not fit the male/female dichotomy are able to be sexual. Moreover, they are able to be sexual in relation to non-male/female things. People can orgasm without sex organs. Having a penis/vulva or certain chromosomes is not necessary for sexuality in humans. Moreover, your understanding of biological sex itself is incorrect as there are not just two sexes and not all sexual behavior is a consequence of it. EvergreenFir ( talk) 02:44, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
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Mrdthree (
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Please read WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. You are attempting to force your own understanding of human sexuality without citing sources specifically on the topic. This article is much broader than human reproduction and is not limited to issues biological sex. This article is about erotic feeling and expression in humans. It includes sections on reproduction and biological basis of sexual drives. However it would be WP:UNDUE to force that issue in the lead as you are trying to. Someone call the glue factory. EvergreenFir ( talk) 16:43, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
In general, I am at this point open to suggestions. How can we incorporate a discussion/summary of the sexes (male female, intersex) into the lead paragraph? How can we make a reasonable sentence somewhere in the lead paragraph that mentions the sexes? Some of you think I am in the wrong place, but this is the disambiguation note to this page: This article is about human sexual anatomy, sexuality and perceptions. For information specifically about sexual activities, see Human sexual activity. "Sexuality" redirects here. For sexual behavior among other animals, see Animal sexuality. For other uses, see Sexuality (disambiguation). Mrdthree ( talk) 01:31, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
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I read this montrosity of an article and it does not address human sexuality from a science based prospective but from individual beliefs (opinions). Is this the goal of wikipedia to have articles written from a I believe this or someone else believes that standpoint. This article is substantially worthless, confusing, poorly wriiten, off topic (opinion piece), and hardly to the point. Rewrite with different unbiased editors is my opinion as it is largely agenda propaganda. No one cares what you or some agenda oriented site thinks. What does scientific research say? 208.54.40.228 ( talk) 20:22, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
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I have no longstanding or longterm interest in contributing to the quality of the article, but have a strong interest in seeing broad, general improvements in the sourcing of scientific articles—including those in the common space between social and biological sciences. And I have an interest in seeing IP editors treated well, by the majority of us, not the few.
The recent visiting IP editor was so set upon by more experienced editors that I thought I would perform a first-pass (rough draft) evaluation of this article, strictly from the perspective of evaluating its sources.
The goals in doing this are three:
In doing this, I am applying the same academic standards as I might have in reviewing a paper submission from a sixth form or older student, on into university. This is the sort of thing that, while scholarly (so we might each might differ on the details of the analysis), all might agree to the trends represented (and all might have arrived at the same perception within minutes reviewing the article references, and have accomplished a full first-pass evaluation in an hour or so.) That is, we can see for ourselves, instead of taking the a priori position that all is fine enough to remain, or insisting a new editor argue her or his case, thoroughly and decisively, to more seasoned Wikipedia hands.
After having done this evaluation, I have come to the conclusion that the article weaknesses referred to by the IP editor appear to be substantiated. From the persecutive of reliability of information, based on expectation of high quality and verifiable secondary sources suited to the content, I conclude that the article is in very poor condition.
After reviewing this summary of the state of this article's sources, see if you might not agree.
Here, in bullet form, are cogent observations from the evaluation of the article's sourcing:
The following list provides some particularly questionable examples of sources (omitting entirely the many incomplete book and journal references that are unverifiable for their incompleteness) —
A further alternative plan to maintaining most text and working over time to improve the article, and perhaps a desirable course to make rapid improvements, would be to redact weak sections / parts in toto, esp. where the material is unverifiable, e.g.,
How to proceed on these fronts is up to the regular committed editors here (much, much less up to me, or any that are just vulturing/fly-bys).
Regardless of the course pursued, please, take visiting IP editors seriously. They may not have the time or the markup experience to assist us in the ways we wish. But they may nevertheless be correct in their intuitions or assessments, and may be potential valued contributors in future. And bias against them is simply against WP policy. Le Prof Leprof 7272 ( talk) 19:35, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
There is a strange circularity for these pages. On the eroticism page, erotic is defined pointing to the human sexuality article-- Eroticism (from the Greek ἔρως, eros—"desire") is a quality that causes " sexual" feelings. Meanwhile the human sexuality article points to the Eroticism page. Human sexuality is the capacity to have erotic experiences and responses. Put them together and you get Human sexuality is the capacity to have " sexual" feelings. Mrdthree ( talk) 06:18, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Time waited was about the standard required 30 days. (If you planned a response tomorrow or Friday, apologies.) The broader WIkipedia community perhaps can now have a look. Please do not remove the tags until the issues are dealt with, systematically. (Here is the list, from above, again. See Citation analysis section from second week of May, above). Note, the "single source" tag refers to the 47 inline references to the King text editions (refs. 2 and 53 as of this date), all without page numbers.
Here, in bullet form, is a cogent summary of the earlier evaluation of the article's sourcing. There were observed:
The following list provides some particularly questionable examples of sources (omitting entirely the many incomplete book and journal references that are unverifiable for their incompleteness) — *Particularly dubious web sources:
Le Prof Leprof 7272 ( talk) 02:35, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
According to the lede "Human sexuality is the capacity to have erotic experiences and responses." Some of what is in this article seems to belong more in the sexual behavior article. Also, why are the opinions of Thomas Aquinas, Sigmund Freud and John Locke given such a disproportionate importance? 188.27.68.165 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 16:56, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
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The section titled "Sexuality in late Adulthood" has citation issues. Also, the section titled "Creating a Relationship" has citation issues as well This article could also use a reference page. It could use more secondary sources, because it relies too much on the primary source. It also needs page numbers for some of the books referenced. My plans are to add secondary sources to the article, create a reference page, and make sure are the sources are cited properly, with page numbers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AbbyNewell ( talk • contribs) 17:14, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
@ AbbyNewell:@ Noyster:@ Flyer22:
The citation issues—the earlier repeated calling attention to tens of citations of books not giving page numbers, web sources that are ridiculous in an encyclopedia, etc.—have not, at first glance, been addressed in any substantial, comprehensive way. The article, as a whole, remains far outside of compliance with WP:VERIFY. Unfortunately, there is an enormous amount of hard, slogging, editing yet to be done.
But first, something more critical is required. Whatever bit by bit has been done is meaningless until the cadre of devoted, experienced editors here take a stand, and allow no further addition of:
This article's subject is a principle, critically important topic in the social sciences, for goodness sake. There are reviews and other good secondary sources abounding. Why not scrutinize every addition, for full adherence to WP:VERIFY, given past loose sourcing? (Not whether it sounds plausible, or is a seeming addition, but is it drawn from a good secondary source, or is it WP:OR?) If a patient is bleeding, and the first course of emergency care is not to staunch the flow of blood, the patient will bleed out before other issues can be addressed. And so here; addition of new material that is not encyclopedic to a high standard only propagates the notion that it is acceptable to use of this article as a dumping ground for any statement or opinion oncoming individuals reading through might wish to make. This flow in the direction of article death must be staunched. A firm position, "No new material without good secondary sourcing." needs be taken.
Then, the same group of devoted editors must begin the arduous process, section by section, paragraph by paragraph, of checking the veracity of existing text. (For this reason, I applaud the initiative suggested by AbbyN, though would suggest working alongside an experienced editor to make sure the WP procedures and styles are learned and used.) I argue the ¶-by-¶, §-by-§ approach for three reasons.
Finally, material citing books that lack the page numbers required by WP:VER—and in this case, this is the second and third strikes against the King undergraduate textbooks that are repeatedly cited, see Footnotes 3 and 53 (cited about 40 times)—are, as has been noted above, essentially unverifiable. Who can have the time to look for key words from hundreds of sentences in many tens of paragraphs, to see if a book cited sans page numbers does indeed say what the editor suggests? The fact that the original editor could not be bothered to provide page number, and that no one has in the years since, makes such material suspicious. I will go on record as being one that challenges the lot of these King-footnoted sentences; if another one or two joins me in challenging, unless there is a similar well-spring in support of any unsourced of these many statements, they can simply can be removed, per WP:VER.
Finally, in dealing with the book issue, look at the page number improve tag that WP provides (I am elevating it today)—it states 1-2 page range for books. Because such is universally absent, you may as well start over with those paragraphs and sections: Find your own good reviews or graduate school text books, and pull each paragraph, one by one, and replace it with a verifiable new paragraph of content.
All the best. [A scholar in other areas.] 50.179.252.14 ( talk) 18:43, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
title=Human_sexuality&diff=706522665&oldid=706522236 here.] Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 20:16, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Snow close, for reasons recommended above.
Conclusion: the images do not need references. Maproom ( talk) 11:19, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
As seen with this and this link, there is a difference of opinion regarding whether or not the images in the article should have references. For those seeing this RfC from the RfC page or your user talk page (via an RfC alert), the matter is discussed above on the talk page at Talk:Human sexuality#Citation issues imply content issues, and still remain. I will alert WP:Anatomy and WP:Med to this RfC. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 22:37, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Alerted here and here. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 22:54, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
I have just received an RFC to this page. The only discussion I see was closed a week ago. If there is anything that I am required to do, please ping me. If not, please don't bother. JonRichfield ( talk) 05:21, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
There is a {{ Cn}} template on the claim that in Judaism celibacy is considered sinful. The claim and {{ Cn}} can be read two ways. It should be clarified whether the {{ Cn}} is for a claim that celibacy per se is sinful, or only for a claim that celibacy within marriage is sinful. In general, celibacy by a single man is considered normal, but a married man has three duties to his wife, one of which is her sexual enjoyment.
Judaism has a niche for a man who wishes be a nazir (ascetic), but that niche does not encompass marriage. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 19:53, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
…@ Flyer22 Reborn:, @ Maproom:, @ Nigelj:, @ WhatamIdoing:, @ Doc James:, @ LT910001:, @ JonRichfield:, @ WhatamIdoing:, @ Snow Rise:, @ Alsee:, I would say, as I already have, that images are a form of content, and contain intellectual assertions which may or may not have authority. Moreover, they are increasingly being used, especially in scientific articles, as policy-end-arounds, to circumvent WP:VERIFY. [In reading the following, in referring to WP:VERIFY and WP:OR, and am not referring to how they are most often applied and interpreted, I am referring to what they state, in their texts, and what they indicate, on most straight-forward reading, is their aim. That is, I am aiming for what those developing the policies and guidelines were aiming for (to a degree, informed by various JW comments and interpretations), and not, a decade later, how they have evolved in application.]
The very fact that Doc can say, "if I take a picture of a strep throat"—as unregistered editors Londoner500 and Coastone did with the appearing selfless of their privates—makes the very point I wish to make. Forget that Doc is an expert, with credentials. Imagine all editors having this freedom, and you have the morass I already see, in place after place in this encyclopedia. That is, we can either restrict the placement of images to the final authority of those experts such as we have in the Doc's of this place, or we can adhere to a policy that will safeguard content edits (image additions) made by "the least of these," our fellow editors.
This is, in fact, in part, informed by a history with, e.g., particular untrained editors running a personal science museum out their garage at home in the EU, who routinely take pictures of their glassware, and place them, with authority, into chemistry articles. Think the same, from laypersons, regarding Doc's medical malady. Shall I, a chemist, take a picture of my DVT-impacted leg, and place it at that article, as an illustration of a limb impacted by a DVT? (Someone has in fact already done this, and we take on faith, and only on faith, that their presentation is an accurate portrayal of medical information. I for one say it is not.) As for me presenting mine—though PhD-trained, and pharma and uni-faculty vetted, I say "No, a thousand times no." I am just an editor. My interpretation of data has no standing. And this is true, whether the data are from primary text sources, or the data are visual/graphic, and my original research (selfie-taking) is the primary source.
I argued all of this, earlier; and despite massive and earnest review and voting, time does not appear to have been taken to address much of my foregoing substance. (Who above, addressed the fact that one of the image sources is luckymojo.com? Please search above.)
The bottom line is that good scientific and medical publishing practice should obtain. Simply put, every journal recognizes images as equally data-rich as text, and therefore as equally intellectual content-containing. An image would never be allowed in Britannica, or a major text, without it being anchored, somehow to authority (the authors credentials being the authority most frequently used). But we do not recognize editorial authority or credentials. Our authority derives from traceability to source. Hence, we should likewise honor the importance and (potential) content-richness of images, as other scientific publishers do, and demand that our image content be authoritative. As authority at WP begins and ends with our stating the authority (source) on which the information is based, I can see no conclusion that image content must be tied to a source.
Hence, if an image is redrawn from another, it should bear "Redrawn from…" and the source (original) should be stated. If an image is based on another, and/or additional sources, it should bear "Based on…" and all contributing sources should be cited. That is to say, the authority on which we conclude, "These are the correct parts of the anatomy, here" (or whatever judgment we make as editors about the image) needs to be provided, otherwise the content of the image is based on WP editor expertise and authority. And that, I think we can all agree is a fundamental no-no. [Consider this as my response to the accusation that I misinterpret WP:OR as it applies to images; you say "if they are correctly labeled". I say, what is your authority for making this call? And why is the case of this intellectual content different from the same judgement of the factual accuracy of a paragraph of text (which does require that we state the source of our confident assertion of content accuracy)?]
Otherwise, image selection and placement is, potentially, all just an end-around, a way to sneak in non-authoritative, or authoritatively suspect material that—simply put—is just a manifestation of WP:OR.
As for the contention that we need worry about sourcing in general, "only when an [editor] believes that it may not be possible for an interested person to find a source" is to relegate this encyclopedia to the rubbish heap, by applying the lowest interpretation of guidelines to all practice. I utterly reject this, and believe those reading, if they give it a moment of thought—high school readers, of whom we demand the ability to verify our content for us?—also will reject this passive, non-authoritative "may not be possible" passage as governing the need for citations in science and medical articles.
Finally, as I have said, I don't care a whit how often this is already being done, or that this is "highly impractical (and would necessitate a project-wide shift in approach that cannot be mandated in this space)"—that is, I don't care how many such WP:OR and WP:VERIFY-violating instances are already in the encyclopedia. With every decision, and every article, we can decide to staunch the bleeding. Here, above we choose to not do so.
So be it. Thus, absent an effort at Wikimedia Commons, to impose uniform sourcing standards for images, the derivative information, in image form, in the encyclopedia, moves WP to becoming more like a "just trust us" blogpost, as it fails to take the substantive intellectual content in images seriously, by taking the extra time of stating sources (if known) and not using images without clear intellectual origin.
What is most galling, is that the self portraits remain, without statement of authority as to the textbook origin of the labels. (No, as a chemist, this sky is not blue—all of these labels are not common knowledge, to the young people who read this article.) In addition, cases where sources were found, initially, as an editorial response, they were removed. (Why? Why must examples of extra care in sourcing be removed?) They've now been returned, as URL-only citations. Help us all. Then, attention was called to other images culled from non-authoritative sources (luckymojo.com). In that case, the response seems to be—whatever the source is/was, I as an editor, can, on my authority, affirm the content, and as I do, no better source than me confirming the content is needed." This, rather than just telling us, how is it that you know, with authority, that the image is what it says it is, and that the labels are correct. I find this rejection of an obvious QC standard, appearing in all other authoritative online educational venues to be simply incomprehensible, and intellectually inconsistent as an approach.
All from me. Cheers. Le Prof 50.129.227.141 ( talk) 05:09, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
…because it was removed, with no effort having been made to solve the problem, which remains egregious. Contrary to @ Doc James: assertion, many tens of examples of books completely without page numbers remain—see refs 3, 8, 18, 20, 57, 77, 87. And the matter has gotten worse, since Doc's tag removal. (Another book was added, again with no page numbers.) There are clear policies about removing tags. Click on the link appearing in the tag, to see when it is appropriate to remove this tag. Le Prof 50.129.227.141 ( talk) 06:56, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
The start of the second paragraph reads: "Sexual activity is a vital principle of human living that connects the desires, pleasures, and energy of the body with a knowledge of human intimacy." Should this sentence really be here? It seems profoundly unscientific / waffly. Does it have a purpose? What does it even mean? CheCheDaWaff ( talk) 08:53, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
Freud made his career on sexuality. John Locke never wrote a single thing on human sexuality. Linking him to the subject is original research, (WP:OR). The history of Nature versus nurture arguments is another topic. Mrdthree ( talk) 22:16, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
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Miesianiacal changed the wording of "Heterosexual people are attracted to the members of the opposite sex. Homosexual people are attracted to people of the same sex. Those who are bisexual are attracted to both men and women." to "Heterosexual people are predominantly attracted to members of the opposite sex; homosexual people are primarily attracted to people of the same sex; and those who are more widely attracted to both men and women are considered bisexual."
I objected by reverting because Miesianiacal's wording implies that everyone is bisexual or sexually fluid. While there are researchers who believe this, wording the text that way is non-neutral because there are many more researchers who don't believe that everyone is bisexual or sexually fluid. And it's not the case that every researcher who studies sexuality subscribes to the Kinsey scale. The literature on sexual orientation does not usually indicate that heterosexual and gay and lesbian people have somewhat of a desire for the sex/gender they do not favor, unless talking about a sexual identity that does not match sexual attraction and/or sexual behavior. Yes, regarding sexual orientation, there are people who identify one way but feel and act another. That's not what the wording is about, though. The wording I reverted to is the most neutral wording. It does not state "exclusively" or "primarily." After reverting Miesianiacal, per WP:Due weight and the fact that Miesianiacal's wording can make people think it's stating that everyone is bisexual or sexually fluid, I added a source from the American Psychological Association and further tweaked some wording.
Miesianiacal came back, this time using the word "tendency" and a dictionary source, and stating, "absolutism of wording leads to conflict; definitions provided put bisexuals as both 'heterosexual' and 'gay' / much literature explains sexuality spectrum, not polarity / terminology inconsistently uses casual and technical language." I reverted again. The dictionary source doesn't even begin with "tendency." It is used after the primary wording, which is like the wording I reverted to for the article. Furthermore, a dictionary source does not trump the American Psychological Association source. For sexual orientation topics, we should be relying on authoritative organizations and scholarly sources. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 15:31, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Note: I queried WP:LGBT about this case. Flyer22 Reborn ( talk) 17:37, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Heterosexual people identify as being attracted to members of the opposite sex... etc.In this sense, if I identify as hetero, I identify as attracted to opposite. If I identify as gay; I identify as attracted to same. This is all regardless of whether some fancy lab test, by their particular standards, would say I'm only actually 92% straight, or only actually 87% gay. TimothyJosephWood 17:46, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Same topic. KATMAKROFAN ( talk) 04:22, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: No move. Cúchullain t/ c 14:57, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Human sexuality →
Sexuality – I don't think we need the human disambig in the title. The main category for this is
Category:Sexuality. What non-human sexuality is there?
Animal sexuality redirects to
Animal sexual behaviour. Unless someone thinks sexuality should be a disambig (and even so,
sexuality (disambiguation) already exists...)?
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here
13:08, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
What non-human sexuality is there?Simple answer: all sexuality that isn't human. TimothyJosephWood 13:55, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
In the the third paragraph of the introduction, there is a section which states:
" In the study of human chromosomes in human sexuality, research has shown that 'ten percent of the population has chromosomal variations that do not fit neatly into the XX-female and XY-male set of categories'.[7]"
The source comes from "Butler, Judith. Gender Trouble: Feminism and the Subversion of Identity. New York City: Routledge, 1990. 107". I cannot verify whether or not this claim is substantiated by available data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:BD2F:9330:24E3:690E:99C8:3CF2 ( talk) 23:52, 12 March 2017 (UTC)