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This needs a better name. Cultural influences in alchemy, perhaps?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 00:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Removed from the article:
"Marik Alu-Kurard" doesn't look like a genuine ancient Egyptian name. Possibly Arabic -- but Arabic wasn't spoken in King Tut's time. And if Marik Alu-Kurard's had been found in Tut's tomb, it would have been mentioned in one of the standard histories on Egypt. I smell a hoax. -- llywrch 01:50, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
The whole Ancient Egyptian section needs to be strickedn--it takes the hermetica as pre-Greek compositions! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.0.49.132 ( talk) 00:15, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
I wholeheartedly agree. See Terence McKenna's "Hermeticism and Alchemy" lecture : this misconception about hermetica has endured until the birth of modern philology. -- 187.4.91.42 ( talk) 17:40, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Completely agree, I just read the article and was shocked at its inclusion. 72.89.142.185 ( talk) 18:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
This article is in a very bad condition. It was using a strange mix of obsolete old-style Harvard references and normal cite.php references. I have converted everything into cite.php footnote references. I have removed the following references which are not explicitly used:
If any of them is actually used, it should be returned to the article in a footnote. Hans Adler 23:26, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
I just removed a sentence linking herbal medicine with spagyric. While some individual herbalists may link alchemy into their practice, herbal medicine is a specific discipline (not just herbalism) that has little, if anything, to do with alchemy. See, for example, here for an explanation of herbal medicine. Fuzzypeg ★ 04:32, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
I removed some old quotes from Durant and Briffault which are misleading because they are outdated scholarship—they say that the "Arabs" or "Saracens" invented the alembic, distillation, or sublimation at this time, but these things are now believed to have been invented earlier. Spacepotato ( talk) 02:33, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
The page says, "According to legend, he wrote what were called the forty-two Books of Knowledge, covering all fields of knowledge—including alchemy." This is Clement's list of the 42 Hermetic books:
Alchemy is not explicitly listed here. Kramden ( talk) 17:35, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
I added a new section on Alchemy from the seventeenth to twentieth centuries. Every statement has citation. I will attempt to find citation for the rest of the article, in which I would appreciate some help. Statements which have no support from reliable sources will be removed or changed. Will Timony, Ph.D ( talk • contribs) 06:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Merging from Alchemy-> History of Alchemy complete. Next I'll probably rearrange all the info in chronological order and redo the headings, so everything is in the proper place. Then I'll work on the citations. Will Timony, Ph.D ( talk • contribs) 02:41, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Done ordering. Had a weird problem with getting accused of vandalism in the couple of seconds in between pressing the submit button when moving from one section to another.
I'm having problems with the citation sourcing. Problem is that it's difficult to find sources when I have no idea where the information originally came from. I've tried searching on Google Books, but I'm getting a hundreds of good books on the history just looking for a citation for one statement, and not finding the source of the statement. It would be easier to actually rewrite the entire article than it would find citation for all these statements. What to do about this? And who wrote all that stuff without citation anyway? Will Timony, Ph.D ( talk • contribs) 09:47, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
I've mostly worked through the entire Western alchemy section. I rearranged, added citation where I could find it (not an easy job when the original sources are not cited!) A few bold statements I could not find citation for, I marked. I also checked a lot of the sources which were already on there to make sure the statements made existed therein. In some cases it did not. Citation needed marks have been added where citation needs to be found and I could not find it. These statements should be removed if the citation cannot be found by anyone else after a reasonable amount of time. Will Timony, Ph.D ( talk • contribs) 11:02, 6 June 2011 (UTC) Since a lot of the current sources are not peer-reviewed, I will attempt to find better sources for the statements that are already cited at some point in the future. A lot of them cite this one source "The Dark Side of History", which only has snippet view on Google Books, so I can't verify what it says. But it's not peer-reviewed anyway. Will Timony, Ph.D ( talk • contribs) 11:45, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Merge into Alchemy. Seems to be the general agreement. Any objections? Will Timony, Ph.D ( talk • contribs) 23:30, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
There's agreement on this and I've gone ahead and closed this discussion. Merge is a go. Car Henkel ( talk) 16:20, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
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This needs a better name. Cultural influences in alchemy, perhaps?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 00:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
Removed from the article:
"Marik Alu-Kurard" doesn't look like a genuine ancient Egyptian name. Possibly Arabic -- but Arabic wasn't spoken in King Tut's time. And if Marik Alu-Kurard's had been found in Tut's tomb, it would have been mentioned in one of the standard histories on Egypt. I smell a hoax. -- llywrch 01:50, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
The whole Ancient Egyptian section needs to be strickedn--it takes the hermetica as pre-Greek compositions! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.0.49.132 ( talk) 00:15, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
I wholeheartedly agree. See Terence McKenna's "Hermeticism and Alchemy" lecture : this misconception about hermetica has endured until the birth of modern philology. -- 187.4.91.42 ( talk) 17:40, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Completely agree, I just read the article and was shocked at its inclusion. 72.89.142.185 ( talk) 18:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
This article is in a very bad condition. It was using a strange mix of obsolete old-style Harvard references and normal cite.php references. I have converted everything into cite.php footnote references. I have removed the following references which are not explicitly used:
If any of them is actually used, it should be returned to the article in a footnote. Hans Adler 23:26, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
I just removed a sentence linking herbal medicine with spagyric. While some individual herbalists may link alchemy into their practice, herbal medicine is a specific discipline (not just herbalism) that has little, if anything, to do with alchemy. See, for example, here for an explanation of herbal medicine. Fuzzypeg ★ 04:32, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
I removed some old quotes from Durant and Briffault which are misleading because they are outdated scholarship—they say that the "Arabs" or "Saracens" invented the alembic, distillation, or sublimation at this time, but these things are now believed to have been invented earlier. Spacepotato ( talk) 02:33, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
The page says, "According to legend, he wrote what were called the forty-two Books of Knowledge, covering all fields of knowledge—including alchemy." This is Clement's list of the 42 Hermetic books:
Alchemy is not explicitly listed here. Kramden ( talk) 17:35, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
I added a new section on Alchemy from the seventeenth to twentieth centuries. Every statement has citation. I will attempt to find citation for the rest of the article, in which I would appreciate some help. Statements which have no support from reliable sources will be removed or changed. Will Timony, Ph.D ( talk • contribs) 06:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Merging from Alchemy-> History of Alchemy complete. Next I'll probably rearrange all the info in chronological order and redo the headings, so everything is in the proper place. Then I'll work on the citations. Will Timony, Ph.D ( talk • contribs) 02:41, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
Done ordering. Had a weird problem with getting accused of vandalism in the couple of seconds in between pressing the submit button when moving from one section to another.
I'm having problems with the citation sourcing. Problem is that it's difficult to find sources when I have no idea where the information originally came from. I've tried searching on Google Books, but I'm getting a hundreds of good books on the history just looking for a citation for one statement, and not finding the source of the statement. It would be easier to actually rewrite the entire article than it would find citation for all these statements. What to do about this? And who wrote all that stuff without citation anyway? Will Timony, Ph.D ( talk • contribs) 09:47, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
I've mostly worked through the entire Western alchemy section. I rearranged, added citation where I could find it (not an easy job when the original sources are not cited!) A few bold statements I could not find citation for, I marked. I also checked a lot of the sources which were already on there to make sure the statements made existed therein. In some cases it did not. Citation needed marks have been added where citation needs to be found and I could not find it. These statements should be removed if the citation cannot be found by anyone else after a reasonable amount of time. Will Timony, Ph.D ( talk • contribs) 11:02, 6 June 2011 (UTC) Since a lot of the current sources are not peer-reviewed, I will attempt to find better sources for the statements that are already cited at some point in the future. A lot of them cite this one source "The Dark Side of History", which only has snippet view on Google Books, so I can't verify what it says. But it's not peer-reviewed anyway. Will Timony, Ph.D ( talk • contribs) 11:45, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Merge into Alchemy. Seems to be the general agreement. Any objections? Will Timony, Ph.D ( talk • contribs) 23:30, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
There's agreement on this and I've gone ahead and closed this discussion. Merge is a go. Car Henkel ( talk) 16:20, 13 July 2011 (UTC)