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Hindi is not the only Official language of India, but it is one of the official languages of India. 167.107.191.217 ( talk) 16:10, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Hindi is an official language of Fiji and should be added to the "Official language in" section, the Hindi variety of Fiji Hindi is official there. Constitution of Fiji also recognized Hindi as one of its official language and calls it Hindi only. Fiji hindi is close to Awadhi dialect of Hindi which is also counted as Hindi. Dinesh smita ( talk) 05:13, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
In the infobox section of ethnicity, currently "No ethnicity" is given. So I am going to put " Hindustani people (historically)", unless someone objects. As the article Hindustani people clarifies, the word was used more frequently in the previous centuries, hence the addition of "(historically)". Khestwol ( talk) 13:15, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
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The official language of West Bengal is Bengali, not Hindi. An edit is needed in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.5.142.22 ( talk) 11:11, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Hindi is also a language in Fiji. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dheeraj789 ( talk • contribs) 07:14, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Also spoken in Fiji Better Knowledge ( talk) 21:00, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Please, add that urdu is a dialect of hindi, because or belongs to central indo-aryan languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fogstar ( talk • contribs) 12:15, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
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Bookku ( talk) 08:26, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
In the early forms section, it states that Sauraseni Prakrit descended from classical sanskrit. This is wrong. Prakrit came before Sanskrit , not the other way around. This is a bogus classification. Please refer to this wiki article: /info/en/?search=List_of_languages_by_first_written_accounts Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 16:18, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Can you provide the link where it proves that 'Classical sanskrit' came before any Prakrit ? Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 17:45, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Don't you find it odd that a language that was 'synthesised' by Panini for writing down scriptures has a recorded attestation date that is much later than a language like Prakrit that was first spoken and not written ? Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 17:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
So you have no proof that Classical Sanskrit came before Prakrit(Middle Indo Aryan), so is my initial post on this thread, invalid ? Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 22:40, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Are we still going to pretend that Classical Sanskrit came before Sauraseni Prakrit ? It makes no chronological sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bodhiupasaka ( talk • contribs) 15:45, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
I did not say that Vedic Sanskrit came before Prakrit. I said classical sanskrit did not come before Prakrit. It is not a claim, genius. It is a fact . Read the first link I have given in the thread. Think before you type. Panini , the creator of Classical Sanskrit never referred to language of Vedas as vedic Sanskrit. He referred to it in his Ashtadyayi as Chandas or metrical language. Sanskrit means refined language while prakrit means source or old language, and that too ironically in Sanskrit. Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 06:32, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
The terms "Aurat", "Arvad", "Avret", and "Awrath" may refer to: Women of Asian religious or cultural descent and identity.
Self nomination for AFD since article copy pasted to Draft:Aurat for incubation because IMHO current article title Aurat (word) is misleading and confusing leading to western systemic bias and stifling the article growth. Please find Detail reason at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aurat (word)
I invite project members to review current and potential sourcing and weigh in on the AfD discussion. Thanks! Bookku ( talk) 02:57, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
The name "INDIA" was a sign of colonial hangover, and was not authentically reflecting the cultural heritage of the country.
The name "भारत" (BHARAT) would justify the hard fought freedom by our "ancestors".
This name has caused "injury" to the public resulting in "loss of identity and ethos as inheritors of the hard-won freedom from foreign rule".
This name given by west was not authentically reflecting the cultural heritage of the country.But name "India" was not authentically reflecting the cultural heritage of the country.But name "Bharat/भारत" like world use in the past to represent india. And it is name use by some kings in past.
In Indian consitution PART 1(Under The Union and it's territories) state that "Name and territory of the Union.—(1) India, that is Bharat, shall be a Union of States". Nc941998 ( talk) 05:47, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
In english INDIA is also called BHARAT in Indian constitution.
In Indian consitution PART 1(Under The Union and it's territories) state that "Name and territory of the Union.—(1) India, that is Bharat, shall be a Union of States".
On hearing Of petetion SUPREME COURT(High Authorty of India) also said this on petition to change name India .Supreme court say that "India is already called Bharat in the Constitution.”
Nc941998 ( talk) 09:00, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
The heading should be Hindi language instead of Hindi . George Mishra ( talk) 12:05, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
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Requesting your proactive contribution and support in updating Draft:Aurats (word) in relation to the related languages you know well.
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The user “Keep your city clean” made some edits in the history section. I did a general cleanup of the edits but wanted to discuss if the statement “Modern High Hindi was developed from Urdu”, which that user inserted into the history section, should be retained. It’s from an old source (1996) and the statement seems to be an oversimplification of the history. Although modern Urdu did come before modern Hindi and influenced its development, it doesn’t take into account newer research such as Nagari Rekhta and other aspects of the Hindi-Urdu continuum discussed by scholars like Imre Bangha that led to modern Hindi. I also noticed most of the edits that user has made in other articles have gotten reverted so he/she might be a sock puppet. What is your view on this @ Austronesier, Kautilya3, Uanfala, and Gotitbro:? Foreverknowledge ( talk) 16:25, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
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Some links are dead and are not working anymore and these are needed to be removed immediately. Jayantjain001 ( talk) 21:52, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
The map mentioned in infobox represent a very partial picture of the country. Majority in states like Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand, etc. don't have Standard Hindi as their first language. They are of languages which are wrongly classified as dialects of Hindi (in term s of linguistics). Most of these languages are under consideration to be declared under Eight Schedule of the Constitution. You can yourself check the census data as well as proposed lanaguges for eight schedule under MHA. Kindly remove that map and stop its usage altogether. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nik9hil ( talk • contribs) 20:37, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
ping Uanfala , why do we have this map in infobox? As per you, this shouldn't have been here at all! Hindi is not the language of Himachal or Uttarakhand & yet that wrong map is used. It creates a very wrong impression, don't you think?
Extremely disappointed by the unresponsive people here. You are simply Hindi bigots!
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I THINK THE PAGE Should change the derivation of hindi to the roots of sanskrit, giving ti similar ties to the german language. Misrap354 ( talk) 04:56, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure why someone deleted the previous thread with the same topic which also went properly unanswered, so I'll try to present the concern again. How can a language such as Classical Sanskrit that itself was synthesized from Vedic and restricted to use by the priestly class end up becoming the ancestor of Hindi when there was no probability of Classical Sanskrit changing to Hindi given the fact that it was a language that was largely used by the priestly class and other religious clergy and was mostly unknown to the ordinary masses and it was never spoken by them in order for the same language to evolve to Hindi ? Even there is no guarantee that Hindi Or any prakritic language descended from vedic, since it is greatly contested by scholars.
And what exactly is vedic 'sanskrit' ? Sanskrit(classical sanskrit) is the language that was refined by Panini from Vedic(thats why its called Sanskrit which means 'refined' in the same language), which he referred to as Chandas(Vedic) in his ashtadhyayi and the same name for the vedic language is attested even in Non brahmanical texts such as the Tipitaka(Cullavagga). There is no mention of 'vedic sanskrit' in any historical manuscript. By stating the existence of a language such as 'Vedic sanskrit', does that mean that there was an even older language that is not even mentioned in the wiki article from which vedic sanskrit was synthesized or refined ? Why else would it be called a form of sanskrit other than the fact that it was 'refined' from an older preexisting language? Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 06:37, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Exactly, you're right, I'm not sure why someone deleted the previous thread of mine that was trying to highlight the same concern. Even it is questionable to say that Hindi descended from Vedic as well since there are scholars who do not agree that Vedic is an ancestor of Prakrit, "It follows that Vedic and Prakrit are sister dialects instead
of being related as mother to daughter. " Source:
https://archive.org/details/jstor-3087594
That infobox is a reflection religio-linguistic centrism that will only serve to mislead readers.
Bodhiupasaka ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:21, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I'm aware the article is from 1912, but question is , has there been any recent paper that has completely refuted the 1912 article and indisputably proved that 'all prakrits' are 'definitely' 'descendants of 'vedic' ? Yes , I am aware that vedic is one of the oldest documented old Indo aryan languages, can't say the same for sanskrit (it's written attestation date supercedes that of Prakrit(there's a wiki article on languages by first attested/written accounts). Regardless, the fact many languages died out before they even had a written script, shows that the first written dates of a language cannot necessarily determine that language to be older than another language that has no script. Speaking of scripts, is there any vedic language scripture that was written in Brahmi, the ancestor of all Indian scripts ? Why is it mostly written in Devanagari that is a late descendant of Brahmi ? Even many prakrits were written in Brahmi, before vedic was written down in any script. This, of course calls to question whether vedic is really one of the oldest documented indo aryan languages. Anyway thank you for your timely response and action. Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 06:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
And are you sure that classical sanskrit represents old indo aryan ?, especially since it was the brainchild of a grammarian named Panini who lived in the same period when Middle indo aryan languages were spoken ? Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 06:48, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
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The language "X" in general should never be described as "more precisely Modern Standard X".
The article should not exclude the language as spoken or written in ancient or classical times, or as spoken colloquially by people who do not adhere so closely to school-book rules of grammar, or to an arbitrary modern standardized dialect of it.
Also, please explain the distinction between "Hindi" and "Hindu" when referring to the people(s), language(s), and/or religion(s) of India. justinacolmena ( talk) 22:38, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Hindi was officially formed around 1960. You can’t say that modern day Hindi comes from devangiri or sanskirat or pratrik. It uses some devangiri words but mostly it’s Urdu. Urdu has been around from centuries. It used to be called Hindustani, the word Hindu has Persian origins. The Islamic conquerors looked at Indian people and named them Hindu. They created/Hindustani which was later named Urdu in 18th century. It’s not factual to completely undermine Urdu and instead torque around to pretend Hindi is more ancient and has sanskirat origins when it sounds nothing like sanskirat. It’s also wrong to say Urdu was derived from Hindi. HistoricScientificJournal ( talk) 04:02, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
If the article does indeed claim that Urdu is derived from Hindi, then it must rectified. Neither is urdu derived from Hindi nor the other way around. Both are derived from Hindustani which is an Indo aryan language and its ancestors existed in the Indian subcontinent much before the Islamic invasion. Hindi 'sounds like Urdu' because both languages are from the same lexical and grammatical base. The only difference is the script and loan words used.
And no doubt that Hindu is of Persian origin. But that word was first used by Zoroastrians in Persia to refer to a geographical entity(Sindhu).
I don't think the article claims Hindi is derived from sanskrit, if it does, then that must be rectified as well. "The Islamic conquerors", only named the non muslims living by the banks of the Sindhu River as Hindus. There was no India or Indians at that time. And you claim Hindi 'officially' formed in 1960 ? Where did you get this information ? , given the fact the first agitation against Hindi imposition took place in Tamil Nadu in 1937 ! Hindi pretty much existed before Indian independence. Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 09:11, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
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In the "Internet" subsection of the "media" subsection, could someone link the word "film" to "Hindi film" (which redirects to Bollywood) instead of just the generic film article? Kokopelli7309 ( talk) 14:18, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
The history section of the wiki article reads: "Like other Indo-Aryan languages, Hindi is a direct descendant of an early form of Vedic Sanskrit, through Sauraseni Prakrit and Śauraseni Apabhraṃśa (from Sanskrit apabhraṃśa "corrupt"), which emerged in the 7th century CE". The reference for it has been archived and not properly functioning while there is scholarly evidence that suggests the opposite to the mentioned statements, which is why these statements also do not agree with what is written in the infoboxes and such . Please rectify this. Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 10:07, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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Add the following at the end of 2nd para of lede:
World Hindi Secretariat (WHS) is an international organisation of countries and regions where Hindi is first language. 58.182.176.169 ( talk) 12:04, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
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Add the following at the end of 1st para in lede
India has been trying to get 129 votes at UN to make Hindi an official language of UN. [1] 58.182.176.169 ( talk) 12:38, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
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Hindi is not the official language of India 49.207.203.61 ( talk) 04:19, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
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Please add another language ‘pahari’ 2409:4054:105:EAF:54B8:D2FC:42F4:5A21 ( talk) 06:30, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
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Hi all,
in the main section/lead, can the sentence "is an Indo-Aryan language spoken chiefly in the North and Central India." be changed to "is an Indo-Aryan language spoken chiefly in North and Central India." (without the "the") - since there is no need for "the" here.
Thank you, 98.179.127.59 ( talk) 20:23, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
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Respected Sir, I recently edited a few Indo-Aryan pages, in which I added "Vedic Sanskrit" as the ancestor of all Indo-Aryan languages. So I want to do the same with Hindi, kindly accept my request, very pleased. Thank you! Arkam Knight ( talk) 20:18, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
I want to add "Vedic Sanskrit" as the ancestor of Hindi. Thank you! Arkam Knight ( talk) 20:20, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
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https://www.inhindi.co.in https://www.inhindi.co.in 2409:4052:982:D371:0:0:475:60A0 ( talk) 10:39, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
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Sarangbsr ( talk) 14:45, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Hindi is not a direct descendant of Sanskrit or any Indian Language. Instead, it is a dialect of Hindustani Language, which itself is direct descendant of Persian Language. Therefore it is requested to not to create false belief of Hindi being a direct descendent of Sanskrit and of even, being a full fledged language Sarangbsr ( talk) 14:47, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Hindi is a direct descendant of Persian Language Sarangbsr ( talk) 15:09, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Hindi is not a direct descendant of Sanskrit. There is no relation between Sanskrit and Hindi/Urdu(Collectively Hindustani Language). Sarangbsr ( talk) 15:10, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Hindi/Urdu (Collectively One and only language called Hindustani) didn't used to exist 200 years ago. Also, Hindi contains only 20% of Sanskrit Vocabulary. Also It is requested to watch the Video on Hindustani Language from the YouTube Channel named LangFocus. Sarangbsr ( talk) 15:14, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
youtu.be/vxSd7p1i_TA Sarangbsr ( talk) 15:15, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Hindi and Sanskrit have nothing to do with morality or origin. Hindi did not originate from Sanskrit. Khariboli dialect of Hindustani language has been given the name Hindi , which was influenced by Sanskrit language but not was a direct descendent of Sanskrit Language Sarangbsr ( talk) 15:21, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Please give us 10 words where Manak Hindi has Persian/Arabic words exclusively. Otherwise please remove the Persian influence. @ Foreverknowledge: Yeshehat ( talk) 19:16, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
The article says:
"As a linguistic variety, Hindi is the fourth most-spoken first language in the world, after Mandarin, Spanish and English. Hindi alongside Urdu as Hindustani is the third most-spoken language in the world, after Mandarin and English."
The second sentence contradicts the first one. If Hindustani is the third most-spoken first language, it comes after Mandarin and Spanish according to the first sentence.
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After reading the sentences a few more times, the source of confusion becomes clear. The first sentence is about L1 speakers. The second sentence is about L1 + L2 speakers. Please reformulate the sentences to make them understandable at first reading (by a layman).
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User:PadFoot2008 has removed the number of Hindi speakers from the infobox and has been reverted per WP:BRD. He still obstinately continues to revert despite being warned. Even A Geolinguistic Handbook, published in 1985, recorded the number of Hindi speakers as being over 220 million at that time. User:PadFoot2008's edits constitute original research in subtracting figures he found in order to make a conclusion he desires. I am pinging linguist User:Austronesier to this discussion in order to monitor these problematic edits. Thanks, Anupam Talk 01:07, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Can we please accept that Bhojpuri is NOT a Hindi language, it's an Eastern Indo-Aryan language that belongs to the Bihari family? There's not even a debate on this. It's simply lumped in with "Hindi" for the sake of convenience. As an encyclopaedia, I don't understand why it's listed as a "dialect" of Hindi in the opening of the article! Theudariks 2.0 ( talk) 16:41, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. The general consensus appears to be against moving these pages ( closed by non-admin page mover) The Night Watch (talk) 18:31, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
– The current article name is an ambiguous one, with the word Hindi referring to both the standard register of Hindustani and the group of languages in Central Indo-Aryan languages. In addition, Hindi could also refer to the languages of the Hindi belt. The new article name would be less confusing and more WP:PRECISE. PadFoot2008 ( talk) 12:29, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
Hindi, the official language, is a standardized form of language that is also referred to as Modern Standard Hindi...
— Kachru (2006), Hindi
...the official and general written language [...] is Hindi, sometimes called Modern Standard Hindi...
— Masica (1991), The Indo-Aryan languages
According to The Hindu, Hindi was declared as the third court language in the UAE – is there a more reliable source, as I couldn't find anything in International English Media, or Arabic Media. نعم البدل ( talk) 17:07, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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Please add this citation in the /info/en/?search=Hindi#Independent_India section, where the book "A Basic Grammar of Modern Hindi" is mentioned, as it shows the first edition being published in 1958: https://archive.org/details/page1-converted-compressed/page/n1/mode/2up
@ Word0151 for further reading on this topic: https://www.iranchamber.com/literature/articles/persian_language.php
— Rolando 1208 ( talk) 20:33, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
There's two things I don't get. Why would you add a table for Arabic loanwords without having one for borrowings from Persian? And how can we mention Arabic and Chagatai in one breath as ultimate sources of Hindi–Urdu words? I have tried a tweak that might be acceptable for both of you. – Austronesier ( talk) 17:09, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Isn't the movement to depersianize and de-arabize Hindustani/Urdu to standardize present-day Hindi a recent one 2 centuries ago in the modern era? https://jsis.washington.edu/southasia/publication/a-primer-of-modern-standard-hindi/
Before this attempt, Hindi colloquially referred to local languages of the northern subcontinent, as opposed to Hindustani/Urdu, the main widely adopted variety originating from Delhi's Khariboli. 115.97.61.20 ( talk) 06:20, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
I've never heard or seen: Modern Standard English, Modern Standard German, Modern Standard Thai, Modern Standard Tagalog.Whereas as multiple reliable sources (including gold standard sources for Indo-Aryan linguistics such as Masica or Cardona) do use "Modern Standard Hindi". Note also that there were earlier literary languages in the gamut of Indo-Aryan varieties commonly called "Hindi", albeit not Khariboli-based. – Austronesier ( talk) 11:53, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
a veritable who's who of modern Hindi authors Maithilisharan Gupta, Nirala
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Hindi is not the only Official language of India, but it is one of the official languages of India. 167.107.191.217 ( talk) 16:10, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Hindi is an official language of Fiji and should be added to the "Official language in" section, the Hindi variety of Fiji Hindi is official there. Constitution of Fiji also recognized Hindi as one of its official language and calls it Hindi only. Fiji hindi is close to Awadhi dialect of Hindi which is also counted as Hindi. Dinesh smita ( talk) 05:13, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
In the infobox section of ethnicity, currently "No ethnicity" is given. So I am going to put " Hindustani people (historically)", unless someone objects. As the article Hindustani people clarifies, the word was used more frequently in the previous centuries, hence the addition of "(historically)". Khestwol ( talk) 13:15, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
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The official language of West Bengal is Bengali, not Hindi. An edit is needed in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.5.142.22 ( talk) 11:11, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Hindi is also a language in Fiji. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dheeraj789 ( talk • contribs) 07:14, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Also spoken in Fiji Better Knowledge ( talk) 21:00, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Please, add that urdu is a dialect of hindi, because or belongs to central indo-aryan languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fogstar ( talk • contribs) 12:15, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
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I felt article Islamic_literature is in bit of neglect so I added my note on talk page there, requesting to take note of Talk:Islamic_literature#Article_review. If possible requesting copy edit support. Suggestions for suitable reference sources at Talk:Islamic_literature is also welcome.
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Bookku ( talk) 08:26, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
In the early forms section, it states that Sauraseni Prakrit descended from classical sanskrit. This is wrong. Prakrit came before Sanskrit , not the other way around. This is a bogus classification. Please refer to this wiki article: /info/en/?search=List_of_languages_by_first_written_accounts Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 16:18, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Can you provide the link where it proves that 'Classical sanskrit' came before any Prakrit ? Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 17:45, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Don't you find it odd that a language that was 'synthesised' by Panini for writing down scriptures has a recorded attestation date that is much later than a language like Prakrit that was first spoken and not written ? Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 17:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
So you have no proof that Classical Sanskrit came before Prakrit(Middle Indo Aryan), so is my initial post on this thread, invalid ? Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 22:40, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
Are we still going to pretend that Classical Sanskrit came before Sauraseni Prakrit ? It makes no chronological sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bodhiupasaka ( talk • contribs) 15:45, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
I did not say that Vedic Sanskrit came before Prakrit. I said classical sanskrit did not come before Prakrit. It is not a claim, genius. It is a fact . Read the first link I have given in the thread. Think before you type. Panini , the creator of Classical Sanskrit never referred to language of Vedas as vedic Sanskrit. He referred to it in his Ashtadyayi as Chandas or metrical language. Sanskrit means refined language while prakrit means source or old language, and that too ironically in Sanskrit. Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 06:32, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
The terms "Aurat", "Arvad", "Avret", and "Awrath" may refer to: Women of Asian religious or cultural descent and identity.
Self nomination for AFD since article copy pasted to Draft:Aurat for incubation because IMHO current article title Aurat (word) is misleading and confusing leading to western systemic bias and stifling the article growth. Please find Detail reason at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aurat (word)
I invite project members to review current and potential sourcing and weigh in on the AfD discussion. Thanks! Bookku ( talk) 02:57, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
The name "INDIA" was a sign of colonial hangover, and was not authentically reflecting the cultural heritage of the country.
The name "भारत" (BHARAT) would justify the hard fought freedom by our "ancestors".
This name has caused "injury" to the public resulting in "loss of identity and ethos as inheritors of the hard-won freedom from foreign rule".
This name given by west was not authentically reflecting the cultural heritage of the country.But name "India" was not authentically reflecting the cultural heritage of the country.But name "Bharat/भारत" like world use in the past to represent india. And it is name use by some kings in past.
In Indian consitution PART 1(Under The Union and it's territories) state that "Name and territory of the Union.—(1) India, that is Bharat, shall be a Union of States". Nc941998 ( talk) 05:47, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
In english INDIA is also called BHARAT in Indian constitution.
In Indian consitution PART 1(Under The Union and it's territories) state that "Name and territory of the Union.—(1) India, that is Bharat, shall be a Union of States".
On hearing Of petetion SUPREME COURT(High Authorty of India) also said this on petition to change name India .Supreme court say that "India is already called Bharat in the Constitution.”
Nc941998 ( talk) 09:00, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
The heading should be Hindi language instead of Hindi . George Mishra ( talk) 12:05, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
Hello many greetings,
Requesting your proactive contribution and support in updating Draft:Aurats (word) in relation to the related languages you know well.
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku ( talk) 03:16, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
The user “Keep your city clean” made some edits in the history section. I did a general cleanup of the edits but wanted to discuss if the statement “Modern High Hindi was developed from Urdu”, which that user inserted into the history section, should be retained. It’s from an old source (1996) and the statement seems to be an oversimplification of the history. Although modern Urdu did come before modern Hindi and influenced its development, it doesn’t take into account newer research such as Nagari Rekhta and other aspects of the Hindi-Urdu continuum discussed by scholars like Imre Bangha that led to modern Hindi. I also noticed most of the edits that user has made in other articles have gotten reverted so he/she might be a sock puppet. What is your view on this @ Austronesier, Kautilya3, Uanfala, and Gotitbro:? Foreverknowledge ( talk) 16:25, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
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Some links are dead and are not working anymore and these are needed to be removed immediately. Jayantjain001 ( talk) 21:52, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
The map mentioned in infobox represent a very partial picture of the country. Majority in states like Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand, etc. don't have Standard Hindi as their first language. They are of languages which are wrongly classified as dialects of Hindi (in term s of linguistics). Most of these languages are under consideration to be declared under Eight Schedule of the Constitution. You can yourself check the census data as well as proposed lanaguges for eight schedule under MHA. Kindly remove that map and stop its usage altogether. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nik9hil ( talk • contribs) 20:37, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
ping Uanfala , why do we have this map in infobox? As per you, this shouldn't have been here at all! Hindi is not the language of Himachal or Uttarakhand & yet that wrong map is used. It creates a very wrong impression, don't you think?
Extremely disappointed by the unresponsive people here. You are simply Hindi bigots!
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I THINK THE PAGE Should change the derivation of hindi to the roots of sanskrit, giving ti similar ties to the german language. Misrap354 ( talk) 04:56, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure why someone deleted the previous thread with the same topic which also went properly unanswered, so I'll try to present the concern again. How can a language such as Classical Sanskrit that itself was synthesized from Vedic and restricted to use by the priestly class end up becoming the ancestor of Hindi when there was no probability of Classical Sanskrit changing to Hindi given the fact that it was a language that was largely used by the priestly class and other religious clergy and was mostly unknown to the ordinary masses and it was never spoken by them in order for the same language to evolve to Hindi ? Even there is no guarantee that Hindi Or any prakritic language descended from vedic, since it is greatly contested by scholars.
And what exactly is vedic 'sanskrit' ? Sanskrit(classical sanskrit) is the language that was refined by Panini from Vedic(thats why its called Sanskrit which means 'refined' in the same language), which he referred to as Chandas(Vedic) in his ashtadhyayi and the same name for the vedic language is attested even in Non brahmanical texts such as the Tipitaka(Cullavagga). There is no mention of 'vedic sanskrit' in any historical manuscript. By stating the existence of a language such as 'Vedic sanskrit', does that mean that there was an even older language that is not even mentioned in the wiki article from which vedic sanskrit was synthesized or refined ? Why else would it be called a form of sanskrit other than the fact that it was 'refined' from an older preexisting language? Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 06:37, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Exactly, you're right, I'm not sure why someone deleted the previous thread of mine that was trying to highlight the same concern. Even it is questionable to say that Hindi descended from Vedic as well since there are scholars who do not agree that Vedic is an ancestor of Prakrit, "It follows that Vedic and Prakrit are sister dialects instead
of being related as mother to daughter. " Source:
https://archive.org/details/jstor-3087594
That infobox is a reflection religio-linguistic centrism that will only serve to mislead readers.
Bodhiupasaka ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:21, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I'm aware the article is from 1912, but question is , has there been any recent paper that has completely refuted the 1912 article and indisputably proved that 'all prakrits' are 'definitely' 'descendants of 'vedic' ? Yes , I am aware that vedic is one of the oldest documented old Indo aryan languages, can't say the same for sanskrit (it's written attestation date supercedes that of Prakrit(there's a wiki article on languages by first attested/written accounts). Regardless, the fact many languages died out before they even had a written script, shows that the first written dates of a language cannot necessarily determine that language to be older than another language that has no script. Speaking of scripts, is there any vedic language scripture that was written in Brahmi, the ancestor of all Indian scripts ? Why is it mostly written in Devanagari that is a late descendant of Brahmi ? Even many prakrits were written in Brahmi, before vedic was written down in any script. This, of course calls to question whether vedic is really one of the oldest documented indo aryan languages. Anyway thank you for your timely response and action. Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 06:45, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
And are you sure that classical sanskrit represents old indo aryan ?, especially since it was the brainchild of a grammarian named Panini who lived in the same period when Middle indo aryan languages were spoken ? Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 06:48, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
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The language "X" in general should never be described as "more precisely Modern Standard X".
The article should not exclude the language as spoken or written in ancient or classical times, or as spoken colloquially by people who do not adhere so closely to school-book rules of grammar, or to an arbitrary modern standardized dialect of it.
Also, please explain the distinction between "Hindi" and "Hindu" when referring to the people(s), language(s), and/or religion(s) of India. justinacolmena ( talk) 22:38, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Hindi was officially formed around 1960. You can’t say that modern day Hindi comes from devangiri or sanskirat or pratrik. It uses some devangiri words but mostly it’s Urdu. Urdu has been around from centuries. It used to be called Hindustani, the word Hindu has Persian origins. The Islamic conquerors looked at Indian people and named them Hindu. They created/Hindustani which was later named Urdu in 18th century. It’s not factual to completely undermine Urdu and instead torque around to pretend Hindi is more ancient and has sanskirat origins when it sounds nothing like sanskirat. It’s also wrong to say Urdu was derived from Hindi. HistoricScientificJournal ( talk) 04:02, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
If the article does indeed claim that Urdu is derived from Hindi, then it must rectified. Neither is urdu derived from Hindi nor the other way around. Both are derived from Hindustani which is an Indo aryan language and its ancestors existed in the Indian subcontinent much before the Islamic invasion. Hindi 'sounds like Urdu' because both languages are from the same lexical and grammatical base. The only difference is the script and loan words used.
And no doubt that Hindu is of Persian origin. But that word was first used by Zoroastrians in Persia to refer to a geographical entity(Sindhu).
I don't think the article claims Hindi is derived from sanskrit, if it does, then that must be rectified as well. "The Islamic conquerors", only named the non muslims living by the banks of the Sindhu River as Hindus. There was no India or Indians at that time. And you claim Hindi 'officially' formed in 1960 ? Where did you get this information ? , given the fact the first agitation against Hindi imposition took place in Tamil Nadu in 1937 ! Hindi pretty much existed before Indian independence. Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 09:11, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
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In the "Internet" subsection of the "media" subsection, could someone link the word "film" to "Hindi film" (which redirects to Bollywood) instead of just the generic film article? Kokopelli7309 ( talk) 14:18, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
The history section of the wiki article reads: "Like other Indo-Aryan languages, Hindi is a direct descendant of an early form of Vedic Sanskrit, through Sauraseni Prakrit and Śauraseni Apabhraṃśa (from Sanskrit apabhraṃśa "corrupt"), which emerged in the 7th century CE". The reference for it has been archived and not properly functioning while there is scholarly evidence that suggests the opposite to the mentioned statements, which is why these statements also do not agree with what is written in the infoboxes and such . Please rectify this. Bodhiupasaka ( talk) 10:07, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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Add the following at the end of 2nd para of lede:
World Hindi Secretariat (WHS) is an international organisation of countries and regions where Hindi is first language. 58.182.176.169 ( talk) 12:04, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
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Add the following at the end of 1st para in lede
India has been trying to get 129 votes at UN to make Hindi an official language of UN. [1] 58.182.176.169 ( talk) 12:38, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
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Hindi is not the official language of India 49.207.203.61 ( talk) 04:19, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
Change the think Vivek dixit bina ( talk) 20:11, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
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Please add another language ‘pahari’ 2409:4054:105:EAF:54B8:D2FC:42F4:5A21 ( talk) 06:30, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
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Hi all,
in the main section/lead, can the sentence "is an Indo-Aryan language spoken chiefly in the North and Central India." be changed to "is an Indo-Aryan language spoken chiefly in North and Central India." (without the "the") - since there is no need for "the" here.
Thank you, 98.179.127.59 ( talk) 20:23, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
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Respected Sir, I recently edited a few Indo-Aryan pages, in which I added "Vedic Sanskrit" as the ancestor of all Indo-Aryan languages. So I want to do the same with Hindi, kindly accept my request, very pleased. Thank you! Arkam Knight ( talk) 20:18, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
I want to add "Vedic Sanskrit" as the ancestor of Hindi. Thank you! Arkam Knight ( talk) 20:20, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
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https://www.inhindi.co.in https://www.inhindi.co.in 2409:4052:982:D371:0:0:475:60A0 ( talk) 10:39, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
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Sarangbsr ( talk) 14:45, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Hindi is not a direct descendant of Sanskrit or any Indian Language. Instead, it is a dialect of Hindustani Language, which itself is direct descendant of Persian Language. Therefore it is requested to not to create false belief of Hindi being a direct descendent of Sanskrit and of even, being a full fledged language Sarangbsr ( talk) 14:47, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Hindi is a direct descendant of Persian Language Sarangbsr ( talk) 15:09, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Hindi is not a direct descendant of Sanskrit. There is no relation between Sanskrit and Hindi/Urdu(Collectively Hindustani Language). Sarangbsr ( talk) 15:10, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Hindi/Urdu (Collectively One and only language called Hindustani) didn't used to exist 200 years ago. Also, Hindi contains only 20% of Sanskrit Vocabulary. Also It is requested to watch the Video on Hindustani Language from the YouTube Channel named LangFocus. Sarangbsr ( talk) 15:14, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
youtu.be/vxSd7p1i_TA Sarangbsr ( talk) 15:15, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Hindi and Sanskrit have nothing to do with morality or origin. Hindi did not originate from Sanskrit. Khariboli dialect of Hindustani language has been given the name Hindi , which was influenced by Sanskrit language but not was a direct descendent of Sanskrit Language Sarangbsr ( talk) 15:21, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Please give us 10 words where Manak Hindi has Persian/Arabic words exclusively. Otherwise please remove the Persian influence. @ Foreverknowledge: Yeshehat ( talk) 19:16, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
The article says:
"As a linguistic variety, Hindi is the fourth most-spoken first language in the world, after Mandarin, Spanish and English. Hindi alongside Urdu as Hindustani is the third most-spoken language in the world, after Mandarin and English."
The second sentence contradicts the first one. If Hindustani is the third most-spoken first language, it comes after Mandarin and Spanish according to the first sentence.
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After reading the sentences a few more times, the source of confusion becomes clear. The first sentence is about L1 speakers. The second sentence is about L1 + L2 speakers. Please reformulate the sentences to make them understandable at first reading (by a layman).
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User:PadFoot2008 has removed the number of Hindi speakers from the infobox and has been reverted per WP:BRD. He still obstinately continues to revert despite being warned. Even A Geolinguistic Handbook, published in 1985, recorded the number of Hindi speakers as being over 220 million at that time. User:PadFoot2008's edits constitute original research in subtracting figures he found in order to make a conclusion he desires. I am pinging linguist User:Austronesier to this discussion in order to monitor these problematic edits. Thanks, Anupam Talk 01:07, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Can we please accept that Bhojpuri is NOT a Hindi language, it's an Eastern Indo-Aryan language that belongs to the Bihari family? There's not even a debate on this. It's simply lumped in with "Hindi" for the sake of convenience. As an encyclopaedia, I don't understand why it's listed as a "dialect" of Hindi in the opening of the article! Theudariks 2.0 ( talk) 16:41, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. The general consensus appears to be against moving these pages ( closed by non-admin page mover) The Night Watch (talk) 18:31, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
– The current article name is an ambiguous one, with the word Hindi referring to both the standard register of Hindustani and the group of languages in Central Indo-Aryan languages. In addition, Hindi could also refer to the languages of the Hindi belt. The new article name would be less confusing and more WP:PRECISE. PadFoot2008 ( talk) 12:29, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
Hindi, the official language, is a standardized form of language that is also referred to as Modern Standard Hindi...
— Kachru (2006), Hindi
...the official and general written language [...] is Hindi, sometimes called Modern Standard Hindi...
— Masica (1991), The Indo-Aryan languages
According to The Hindu, Hindi was declared as the third court language in the UAE – is there a more reliable source, as I couldn't find anything in International English Media, or Arabic Media. نعم البدل ( talk) 17:07, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
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Please add this citation in the /info/en/?search=Hindi#Independent_India section, where the book "A Basic Grammar of Modern Hindi" is mentioned, as it shows the first edition being published in 1958: https://archive.org/details/page1-converted-compressed/page/n1/mode/2up
@ Word0151 for further reading on this topic: https://www.iranchamber.com/literature/articles/persian_language.php
— Rolando 1208 ( talk) 20:33, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
There's two things I don't get. Why would you add a table for Arabic loanwords without having one for borrowings from Persian? And how can we mention Arabic and Chagatai in one breath as ultimate sources of Hindi–Urdu words? I have tried a tweak that might be acceptable for both of you. – Austronesier ( talk) 17:09, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Isn't the movement to depersianize and de-arabize Hindustani/Urdu to standardize present-day Hindi a recent one 2 centuries ago in the modern era? https://jsis.washington.edu/southasia/publication/a-primer-of-modern-standard-hindi/
Before this attempt, Hindi colloquially referred to local languages of the northern subcontinent, as opposed to Hindustani/Urdu, the main widely adopted variety originating from Delhi's Khariboli. 115.97.61.20 ( talk) 06:20, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
I've never heard or seen: Modern Standard English, Modern Standard German, Modern Standard Thai, Modern Standard Tagalog.Whereas as multiple reliable sources (including gold standard sources for Indo-Aryan linguistics such as Masica or Cardona) do use "Modern Standard Hindi". Note also that there were earlier literary languages in the gamut of Indo-Aryan varieties commonly called "Hindi", albeit not Khariboli-based. – Austronesier ( talk) 11:53, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
a veritable who's who of modern Hindi authors Maithilisharan Gupta, Nirala