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Should it be mentioned that, based entirely on the trailer, since that's all we have now, that the intent of moving away from the "games as art" moniker and refusing "any fake philosophy", he's actually failed at both? Making a balck and white game, but colouring in the fire and blood creates what's essentially a commentary on the glorification of violence in games, thereby making an artistic game, as well as having a "fake philosophy"? Or am I the only one to notice this? Should this be mentioned at all? Heck, depending on its price upon launch and the actual length of the title, as well as what you can actually end up doing throughout (it looks like a decade old Newgrounds flash game with better graphics, at least as far as what was shown in the trailer), I suspect he'll end up inadvertently making a statement about game value, ie. paying 60 or more for a our hour game with little to no replay value. So, in at least these sences (we'll have to wait for the price bit)should it be mentioned that the intent has already failed? 24.57.123.249 ( talk) 17:24, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Can this be confirmed by anyone? http://fucknovideogames.tumblr.com/post/100204212288/hatred-is-a-genocide-simulator-developed-by-neo-nazis Because if this turns out to be true (which shoudl really surprise no one, if it did)then mayhap the "reasons" for this game can be changed to be what they are? Hm? If it turns out to be true. I'm the guy who posted about the fails in meaning, by the way. 24.57.123.249 ( talk) 02:12, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Comparing neo-nazis to a Polish gamedev who's family suffered under Nazi rule is shameful, and you should feel ashamed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.77.53 ( talk) 12:08, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
This is the second time @ Tutelary has removed the Slipknot image/caption (last time was October). The summary was "undue weight", so let's discuss that. Kuchera and Polygon were among the most prominent critics of the game and Kuchera wrote a summative assessment of the criticism of the game. The use of his metaphor is equally weighted to the use of his quote in the article, which is analogous to other articles that use a support or comparative image in their Reception sections, such as the shot of Hundreds in Blek's or Trey Parker in EarthBound's. It fits within our appropriate use of free use illustrations, especially in the absence of free use images from the game itself. czar ⨹ 18:02, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
I got a few things in mind, that would push this article to a better level. First of all, we need some pictures of the game, maybe from the trailer, ask the devs, or simply find some from Google. Second of all, it would be nice, if you could reach out and find more sources for reception. Surely Polygon isn't the ultimate source. Lastly, why is there a quote instead of a screencap or the actual trailer on the place of "Hatred announcement trailer, October 2014"? I don't understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eebros ( talk • contribs) 21:00, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Czar, I don't think it was necessary for you reverted all my edits wholesale without discussing this matter first, especially since some of the changes you reverted were not included in your objection. You may have not intended it, but your subsequent edit has made undoing your reversion impossible. Now, I'll need to manually edit them back in. In the future, I recommend only reverting the changes you think are inappropriate while keeping the other changes. If you are unsure as to how to do this, you could simply let me know and I could have done it myself. I apologize for not splitting up my edits, but I didn't think my changes would be challenged.
Having said that, what issues do you have with my edits? On the Steam Store page, it clearly states that the name or title of the main character is "The Antagonist"—at least, that is what the character is known as at this time, unless you count "Not Important" (which is what he is also referred to as). Since this is published by the developers themselves, I'd like to think this is a reliable enough source to use as verification of this. As for the spacing, they are unnecessary and don't change how the article is displayed. They simply add bytes, so why not remove them? I'll await your response before I edit my changes back in. ― Nøkkenbuer ( talk • contribs) 21:41, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
The article makes reference to the use of Human Shields in the game. I believe there has been a misunderstanding: The Antagonist refers to police as "human shields" because they "shield" his victims. There has been no indication that NPCs in the game will actually be able to be used as shields. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.102.168.139 ( talk) 21:44, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Is that his name? The Steam page refers to him as The Antagonist and its capitalized like a proper noun. "Hatred is a violent twin-stick shooter, in which you take the role of The Antagonist fighting against all of humanity." Is this a discrepancy somewhere or? Zero Serenity ( talk - contributions) 17:14, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
VM has
challenged this content on the basis of "passing mention, not an expert on video games, WP:UNDUE"
. The source in question is
Hatred, free speech and one developer's connections with Poland's far right, Polygon, Charlie Hall, 18 December 2014, published in
Polygon (website) which is a specialist news source for gaming. Lets begin this the obvious here - this is not a "passing mention" - the whole 3,439 word piece is devoted to
Rafał Pankowski, an academic expert on Poland's far right,
[1]
[2]
[3] who heads the anti-racist
"Never Again" Association. As we have a reliable source for gaming deeming fit to devote 3,439 words to describing what a reliable and expert authority on the Polish far-right says of the game and the development team, this is quite clearly
WP:DUE here.
Icewhiz (
talk)
06:19, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Metacritic user score is 4.6/10. This is not a game that is well received by its users... -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:22, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
The pages says the voice actor who's uses the Clint Westwood pseudonym in the end credits wished to remain anonymous. I found that some websites like IMDb claim that a man named Tom Clarke Hill voiced The Antagonist, as well as the Steam forums, and used said pseudonym, but I can't find any reliable sources to conform this. I think we should find a reliable source to back this claim up before adding it to the page. HaveYouHeardAboutTheBird ( talk) 05:53, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
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Should it be mentioned that, based entirely on the trailer, since that's all we have now, that the intent of moving away from the "games as art" moniker and refusing "any fake philosophy", he's actually failed at both? Making a balck and white game, but colouring in the fire and blood creates what's essentially a commentary on the glorification of violence in games, thereby making an artistic game, as well as having a "fake philosophy"? Or am I the only one to notice this? Should this be mentioned at all? Heck, depending on its price upon launch and the actual length of the title, as well as what you can actually end up doing throughout (it looks like a decade old Newgrounds flash game with better graphics, at least as far as what was shown in the trailer), I suspect he'll end up inadvertently making a statement about game value, ie. paying 60 or more for a our hour game with little to no replay value. So, in at least these sences (we'll have to wait for the price bit)should it be mentioned that the intent has already failed? 24.57.123.249 ( talk) 17:24, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Can this be confirmed by anyone? http://fucknovideogames.tumblr.com/post/100204212288/hatred-is-a-genocide-simulator-developed-by-neo-nazis Because if this turns out to be true (which shoudl really surprise no one, if it did)then mayhap the "reasons" for this game can be changed to be what they are? Hm? If it turns out to be true. I'm the guy who posted about the fails in meaning, by the way. 24.57.123.249 ( talk) 02:12, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Comparing neo-nazis to a Polish gamedev who's family suffered under Nazi rule is shameful, and you should feel ashamed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.77.53 ( talk) 12:08, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
This is the second time @ Tutelary has removed the Slipknot image/caption (last time was October). The summary was "undue weight", so let's discuss that. Kuchera and Polygon were among the most prominent critics of the game and Kuchera wrote a summative assessment of the criticism of the game. The use of his metaphor is equally weighted to the use of his quote in the article, which is analogous to other articles that use a support or comparative image in their Reception sections, such as the shot of Hundreds in Blek's or Trey Parker in EarthBound's. It fits within our appropriate use of free use illustrations, especially in the absence of free use images from the game itself. czar ⨹ 18:02, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
I got a few things in mind, that would push this article to a better level. First of all, we need some pictures of the game, maybe from the trailer, ask the devs, or simply find some from Google. Second of all, it would be nice, if you could reach out and find more sources for reception. Surely Polygon isn't the ultimate source. Lastly, why is there a quote instead of a screencap or the actual trailer on the place of "Hatred announcement trailer, October 2014"? I don't understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eebros ( talk • contribs) 21:00, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Czar, I don't think it was necessary for you reverted all my edits wholesale without discussing this matter first, especially since some of the changes you reverted were not included in your objection. You may have not intended it, but your subsequent edit has made undoing your reversion impossible. Now, I'll need to manually edit them back in. In the future, I recommend only reverting the changes you think are inappropriate while keeping the other changes. If you are unsure as to how to do this, you could simply let me know and I could have done it myself. I apologize for not splitting up my edits, but I didn't think my changes would be challenged.
Having said that, what issues do you have with my edits? On the Steam Store page, it clearly states that the name or title of the main character is "The Antagonist"—at least, that is what the character is known as at this time, unless you count "Not Important" (which is what he is also referred to as). Since this is published by the developers themselves, I'd like to think this is a reliable enough source to use as verification of this. As for the spacing, they are unnecessary and don't change how the article is displayed. They simply add bytes, so why not remove them? I'll await your response before I edit my changes back in. ― Nøkkenbuer ( talk • contribs) 21:41, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
The article makes reference to the use of Human Shields in the game. I believe there has been a misunderstanding: The Antagonist refers to police as "human shields" because they "shield" his victims. There has been no indication that NPCs in the game will actually be able to be used as shields. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.102.168.139 ( talk) 21:44, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Is that his name? The Steam page refers to him as The Antagonist and its capitalized like a proper noun. "Hatred is a violent twin-stick shooter, in which you take the role of The Antagonist fighting against all of humanity." Is this a discrepancy somewhere or? Zero Serenity ( talk - contributions) 17:14, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
VM has
challenged this content on the basis of "passing mention, not an expert on video games, WP:UNDUE"
. The source in question is
Hatred, free speech and one developer's connections with Poland's far right, Polygon, Charlie Hall, 18 December 2014, published in
Polygon (website) which is a specialist news source for gaming. Lets begin this the obvious here - this is not a "passing mention" - the whole 3,439 word piece is devoted to
Rafał Pankowski, an academic expert on Poland's far right,
[1]
[2]
[3] who heads the anti-racist
"Never Again" Association. As we have a reliable source for gaming deeming fit to devote 3,439 words to describing what a reliable and expert authority on the Polish far-right says of the game and the development team, this is quite clearly
WP:DUE here.
Icewhiz (
talk)
06:19, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Metacritic user score is 4.6/10. This is not a game that is well received by its users... -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:22, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
The pages says the voice actor who's uses the Clint Westwood pseudonym in the end credits wished to remain anonymous. I found that some websites like IMDb claim that a man named Tom Clarke Hill voiced The Antagonist, as well as the Steam forums, and used said pseudonym, but I can't find any reliable sources to conform this. I think we should find a reliable source to back this claim up before adding it to the page. HaveYouHeardAboutTheBird ( talk) 05:53, 24 December 2023 (UTC)