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A note on the literature references: Schwabe & Co is a truly massive and comprehensive work in three volumes; the one-volume edition of 2004, whose ISBN is given, has 1005 pages. Different historians cover different periods. Highly recommended. Im Hof is much more concise (about 150 pages) and written by a single author; it is a useful source for a first overview, although the prose is sometimes a bit awkward and it is a bit dated, despite having been revised several times since the first edition in 1974. Lupo 21:01, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
The events in the Valais and the Grisons are a brief overview only. Both History of the Valais and History of the Grisons are on my to-do-list... Lupo 21:01, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Very sexy. great use of the timeline. Better references, please... where did all of this come from? +sj + 23:50, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
An English translation of the saying "Karl der Kühne verlor bei Grandson das Gut, bei Murten den Mut, bei Nancy das Blut"? is (preserving the alliteration (Gut - Mut - Blut, as well as Grandson - Gut, Murten - Mut)): "Charles the Bold lost his goods at Grandson, his manliness at Murten, his blood at Nancy".
I don't think the alliteration is that central (blood and Nancy doesn't alliterate), and after all, if we give the original, the translation is only supposed to convey the meaning, while the rhyme may be admired in the original (hey, and it's just a folk-saying, not world literature or anything) dab 17:55, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
heck, somehow I think if we give the original we might as well give the original original. Let me try inserting that alemannic version (but revert me if you think it's silly, I won't object)
The current title of this article (Old Swiss Confederacy) suggest it is about a former state, but the structure is essentialy history (or rather two specific sections on territorial (which seems to include political among others) and social developments (economy, summary of politics)). At best, the title is confusing, suggesting it is a comprehensive overview of a former country (for good FA examples of this, see Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or Indo-Greek Kingdom, with country-like formatting). Alternative is to rename this series to History of Switzerland (date-date) or (name), as is our naming convention (FAs: History of Poland (1945–1989), History of post-Soviet Russia, History of the Netherlands, History of Russia, History of Scotland) and section headings are adjusted to reflect chronology, and non-history parts can be moved to former country article (consider also an example of History of Poland (1945–1989) vs. People's Republic of Poland, or History of Poland (1569-1795) vs. Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth). One way or another, this needs to decide what it is and adapt, as currently it is a confusing hybrid of history and former state article types. If no changes are made, I am afraid it should be deFAced, as it is substandard comapred to our newer FAs (mentioned above).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 21:18, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, I have moved the article now all the same. The argument is not entirely without merit, but I don't think it was a reason to go for FARC. This article is in and by itself good enough for FA status. There's now a completely new article on the Old Swiss Confederacy. Lupo 21:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Why on earth is this still one? It's B grade at best. It only has 4 footnotes and 2 foreign language references. I see there were even concerns way back in 2006 when standards were no doubt alot more lax. ʄ!• ¿talk? 06:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
idiotic. this is easily FA quality. De-featuring it just goes to show the pathetic state of our "quality control" which is about counting footnotes and quibbling about layout while totally ignoring content. -- dab (𒁳) 11:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
First of all, your breach of
WP:civility has been reported at
Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts#Admin civility issue.
As for your assertion that this article is FA quality; it's not.
Several of the FA criteria aren't met, the prose isn't "engaging, even brilliant, and of a professional standard", and the citations are not consistent or even basically adequate.
The problem with basing article status on content alone(as was done most inappropriately here) is that content is entirely subjective. A few nice pictures and a timeline(which looks pretty awful in
firefox I have to say) does not a FA make.
ʄ!•
¿talk?
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A note on the literature references: Schwabe & Co is a truly massive and comprehensive work in three volumes; the one-volume edition of 2004, whose ISBN is given, has 1005 pages. Different historians cover different periods. Highly recommended. Im Hof is much more concise (about 150 pages) and written by a single author; it is a useful source for a first overview, although the prose is sometimes a bit awkward and it is a bit dated, despite having been revised several times since the first edition in 1974. Lupo 21:01, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
The events in the Valais and the Grisons are a brief overview only. Both History of the Valais and History of the Grisons are on my to-do-list... Lupo 21:01, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Very sexy. great use of the timeline. Better references, please... where did all of this come from? +sj + 23:50, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
An English translation of the saying "Karl der Kühne verlor bei Grandson das Gut, bei Murten den Mut, bei Nancy das Blut"? is (preserving the alliteration (Gut - Mut - Blut, as well as Grandson - Gut, Murten - Mut)): "Charles the Bold lost his goods at Grandson, his manliness at Murten, his blood at Nancy".
I don't think the alliteration is that central (blood and Nancy doesn't alliterate), and after all, if we give the original, the translation is only supposed to convey the meaning, while the rhyme may be admired in the original (hey, and it's just a folk-saying, not world literature or anything) dab 17:55, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
heck, somehow I think if we give the original we might as well give the original original. Let me try inserting that alemannic version (but revert me if you think it's silly, I won't object)
The current title of this article (Old Swiss Confederacy) suggest it is about a former state, but the structure is essentialy history (or rather two specific sections on territorial (which seems to include political among others) and social developments (economy, summary of politics)). At best, the title is confusing, suggesting it is a comprehensive overview of a former country (for good FA examples of this, see Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or Indo-Greek Kingdom, with country-like formatting). Alternative is to rename this series to History of Switzerland (date-date) or (name), as is our naming convention (FAs: History of Poland (1945–1989), History of post-Soviet Russia, History of the Netherlands, History of Russia, History of Scotland) and section headings are adjusted to reflect chronology, and non-history parts can be moved to former country article (consider also an example of History of Poland (1945–1989) vs. People's Republic of Poland, or History of Poland (1569-1795) vs. Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth). One way or another, this needs to decide what it is and adapt, as currently it is a confusing hybrid of history and former state article types. If no changes are made, I am afraid it should be deFAced, as it is substandard comapred to our newer FAs (mentioned above).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 21:18, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, I have moved the article now all the same. The argument is not entirely without merit, but I don't think it was a reason to go for FARC. This article is in and by itself good enough for FA status. There's now a completely new article on the Old Swiss Confederacy. Lupo 21:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Why on earth is this still one? It's B grade at best. It only has 4 footnotes and 2 foreign language references. I see there were even concerns way back in 2006 when standards were no doubt alot more lax. ʄ!• ¿talk? 06:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
idiotic. this is easily FA quality. De-featuring it just goes to show the pathetic state of our "quality control" which is about counting footnotes and quibbling about layout while totally ignoring content. -- dab (𒁳) 11:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
First of all, your breach of
WP:civility has been reported at
Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts#Admin civility issue.
As for your assertion that this article is FA quality; it's not.
Several of the FA criteria aren't met, the prose isn't "engaging, even brilliant, and of a professional standard", and the citations are not consistent or even basically adequate.
The problem with basing article status on content alone(as was done most inappropriately here) is that content is entirely subjective. A few nice pictures and a timeline(which looks pretty awful in
firefox I have to say) does not a FA make.
ʄ!•
¿talk?
10:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
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