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Honestly, Molobo, those edits are in striking contrast to the recent sarcasm. It is simply blatant POV pushing. Sciurinæ 11:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
As you know media reports are pefectly accepted on Wikipedia which is not a paper. Also personal opinions on quality of debate in Polish Parliament are of no relevance on notablity.So if several media have reported disturbing activity by German minority and it was subject of debates in Parliament, I think it is notable enough to be put in the article. -- Molobo 17:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
The article I gave and which you brought up is from German minority, it served as a proof for statements of the leader of German Minority who stated that they "Don't care about Republic of Poland". -- Molobo 18:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
How could u Molobo try to frame Fritz Haber as a sadistic murderer? he invented fertilizers and won a Nobel Prize for his research. Simply because chemical weapons were developed from his research doesnt make him a horrible murderer. If that were true then Einstein and everyone else who worked on nuclear development is a mass murderer because the Nuclear bomb was developed from it. Fritz Haber is not "infamous" as u stated, but rather a famous and respected man whose research was used to do wrong. Jadger 03:37, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Fritz Haber is not "infamous" as u stated, but rather a famous and respected man whose research was used to do wrong. Not in Poland as it seems.By the way his wife comitted suicide as a protest against his actions. -- Molobo 12:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC) From Fritz Haber:
In his studies of the effects of poison gas, Haber noted that exposure to a low concentration of a poisonous gas for a long time often had the same effect (death) as exposure to a high concentration for a short time. He formulated a simple mathematical relationship between the gas concentration and the necessary exposure time. This relationship became known as Haber's rule. Haber defended gas warfare -- Molobo 12:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC) Truly famous and respected man by Sciurinæ and Jadger. Not really surprising is it ? -- Molobo 12:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Neverthless it does not matter what I or Sciurinæ or Jadger think about him. What matters is the reaction of Polish society since that is the issue of the part of the article. -- Molobo 14:08, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
it does not matter what the Polish ppl thought about it, as that can be seen in the newspaper article which u should link if we are to keep this, what matters is that we try not to paint Haber as a sadistic mass-murderer as u had it stated. Jadger 16:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Several Polish contributors to Wikipedia consistently remove facts from Wikipedia articles. This same attitude and behavior happens in daily life in Poland as reported by citizen of (former Germany, now) Poland
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Germans in Poland have minority rights, Poles in Germany don't. So save me the "daily life in Poland as reported by citizen...". Space Cadet 15:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Text of removed statement( [2], [3]) about the 'creation of facts - Polish style'
The result of the move request was: Not moved, consensus is against moving the article — James ( Talk • Contribs) • 3:20pm • 05:20, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
German minority in Poland → Germans of Poland — As Germans of Hungary, Germans of Romania Germans of Serbia Germans of Kazakhstan etc. Alphasinus ( talk) 05:49, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
I thought the Germans in present day Poland were expelled from the former eastern territories of Germany?! 84.210.127.117 ( talk) 21:10, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Examples: "flight and expulsion of Germans from Poland" referring to the flight of Germans must be called "flight of Germans from former eastern territories", since Poland's borders were shifted. It seems a must to refer to the fact that a third of present Poland had a German majority. Example: "instead, the Soviets expelled Germans from the areas of Lower Silesia, Upper Silesia, Pommerania, East Brandenburg, and East Prussia and replaced them with Poles, most of whom were expelled from Soviet-occupied areas that were previously part of Poland." makes the Polish authorities seem completely noninvolved in the expulsions which seems highly unlikely — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.104.118.172 ( talk) 09:14, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
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The coverage here jumps from some vague 1934 renouncement following September 1933 LoN withdrawal to a September 1939 invasion. Shouldn't there be some discussion of what was happening to the GMIP during this interim, after they lost right to appeal and preceding invasion? Particularly since Bloody Sunday (1939) asserts:
Even if there wasn't ethnic cleansing, if there were actually accusations of it being made as a pretext to invasion, that should be mentioned and then contrasted with what was actually happening and possibly being misinterpreted. ScratchMarshall ( talk) 17:40, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
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Honestly, Molobo, those edits are in striking contrast to the recent sarcasm. It is simply blatant POV pushing. Sciurinæ 11:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
As you know media reports are pefectly accepted on Wikipedia which is not a paper. Also personal opinions on quality of debate in Polish Parliament are of no relevance on notablity.So if several media have reported disturbing activity by German minority and it was subject of debates in Parliament, I think it is notable enough to be put in the article. -- Molobo 17:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
The article I gave and which you brought up is from German minority, it served as a proof for statements of the leader of German Minority who stated that they "Don't care about Republic of Poland". -- Molobo 18:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
How could u Molobo try to frame Fritz Haber as a sadistic murderer? he invented fertilizers and won a Nobel Prize for his research. Simply because chemical weapons were developed from his research doesnt make him a horrible murderer. If that were true then Einstein and everyone else who worked on nuclear development is a mass murderer because the Nuclear bomb was developed from it. Fritz Haber is not "infamous" as u stated, but rather a famous and respected man whose research was used to do wrong. Jadger 03:37, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Fritz Haber is not "infamous" as u stated, but rather a famous and respected man whose research was used to do wrong. Not in Poland as it seems.By the way his wife comitted suicide as a protest against his actions. -- Molobo 12:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC) From Fritz Haber:
In his studies of the effects of poison gas, Haber noted that exposure to a low concentration of a poisonous gas for a long time often had the same effect (death) as exposure to a high concentration for a short time. He formulated a simple mathematical relationship between the gas concentration and the necessary exposure time. This relationship became known as Haber's rule. Haber defended gas warfare -- Molobo 12:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC) Truly famous and respected man by Sciurinæ and Jadger. Not really surprising is it ? -- Molobo 12:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Neverthless it does not matter what I or Sciurinæ or Jadger think about him. What matters is the reaction of Polish society since that is the issue of the part of the article. -- Molobo 14:08, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
it does not matter what the Polish ppl thought about it, as that can be seen in the newspaper article which u should link if we are to keep this, what matters is that we try not to paint Haber as a sadistic mass-murderer as u had it stated. Jadger 16:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Several Polish contributors to Wikipedia consistently remove facts from Wikipedia articles. This same attitude and behavior happens in daily life in Poland as reported by citizen of (former Germany, now) Poland
[1]
(The preceeding
unsigned comment was added by
User:87.187.147.113 as of 09:29, 2 May 2007)
Germans in Poland have minority rights, Poles in Germany don't. So save me the "daily life in Poland as reported by citizen...". Space Cadet 15:19, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Text of removed statement( [2], [3]) about the 'creation of facts - Polish style'
The result of the move request was: Not moved, consensus is against moving the article — James ( Talk • Contribs) • 3:20pm • 05:20, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
German minority in Poland → Germans of Poland — As Germans of Hungary, Germans of Romania Germans of Serbia Germans of Kazakhstan etc. Alphasinus ( talk) 05:49, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
I thought the Germans in present day Poland were expelled from the former eastern territories of Germany?! 84.210.127.117 ( talk) 21:10, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Examples: "flight and expulsion of Germans from Poland" referring to the flight of Germans must be called "flight of Germans from former eastern territories", since Poland's borders were shifted. It seems a must to refer to the fact that a third of present Poland had a German majority. Example: "instead, the Soviets expelled Germans from the areas of Lower Silesia, Upper Silesia, Pommerania, East Brandenburg, and East Prussia and replaced them with Poles, most of whom were expelled from Soviet-occupied areas that were previously part of Poland." makes the Polish authorities seem completely noninvolved in the expulsions which seems highly unlikely — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.104.118.172 ( talk) 09:14, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
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The coverage here jumps from some vague 1934 renouncement following September 1933 LoN withdrawal to a September 1939 invasion. Shouldn't there be some discussion of what was happening to the GMIP during this interim, after they lost right to appeal and preceding invasion? Particularly since Bloody Sunday (1939) asserts:
Even if there wasn't ethnic cleansing, if there were actually accusations of it being made as a pretext to invasion, that should be mentioned and then contrasted with what was actually happening and possibly being misinterpreted. ScratchMarshall ( talk) 17:40, 20 June 2018 (UTC)