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Right now just on pl wiki: pl:Kategoria:Zbrodnie oddziałów Wehrmachtu na polskich jeńcach wojennych Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:54, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
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Minor comment: since the article was nominated, it has been expanded by User:Dreamcatcher25, who should be seen as co-author at this point and get DYK credit too, if possible. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:42, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
I am a bit surprised that the article doesn't mention that the treatment of Polish prisoners (with some exceptions) generally was in line with the Geneva Convention and their death rate was similar to that prisoners of war from Western Allied countries. [1] The Italian military internees encountered more atrocities and had a higher death rate but their article doesn't get an "atrocities" in the title.
Judging from the article title one might get the impression that the treatment of Polish POWs was comparable to that of Soviet POWs, which is not accurate. It seems like bias could be avoided by renaming and rewriting to cover the entire experience of Polish POWs in German captivity.
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the German military again treated prisoners, except those from the USSR, largely according to the international laws of war... Mortality rates were low: 2–4% for Poles, 1–2.8% for French, about 1% for British and US prisoners, 2–2.5% for Belgians , 2–3% for Dutch and 3–6% for Yugoslavs. [his source for these figures seems to be Overmans , Rüdiger , 2005 . " Die Kriegsgefangenenpolitik des Deutschen Reiches 1939 bis 1945 ," DRZW , 9/2 ( Munich : dva ), pp. 729 – 875 .]
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IMHO, the title of the article speaks for itself, focusing on the atrocities rather than describing the overall situation of Polish POWs in German captivity. Whether this article should be expanded and renamend or a separate article about the overall situation of Polish POWs should be created is, of course, open to discussion. WP:BOLD is should be applied here. Dreamcatcher25 ( talk) 08:44, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
For the POWs from the occupied states captivity was made more onerous by the fact that, while their captors were still in theory regarding them as subject to the terms of the convention just like British and American POWs, the absence of the threat of retaliation meant that in practice their treatment deteriorated. The living conditions of the remaining Polish prisoners, for example, were noted by the Swiss to be often considerably below those granted captured British servicemen... The differences in the treatment accorded Anglo-American and other POWs became even more stark in March 1944, when OKW issued instructions that all escaped prisoners would in future be secretly handed over to the SS Security Service (SD) and sent to the concentration camp at Mauthausen to be executed: "except," the order cautioned, "British and American prisoners of war". In [12] the author writes (p.160):
Although never reaching the same defree of targeted mass killing of Polish prisoners at Katyn, Nazi occupiers followed a similar territorial pattern of committing very high levels of abuse against Polish prisoners... Since Poland was one of the eventual central sites for the Final Solution, German conduct toward prisoners remained extremely harsh...@ Dreamcatcher25 may have better sources on this (Datner?). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
@ Piotrus I am sorry to say that but after this edit this article indeed may be partially misleading. Now the reader without the deepen knowledge about Warsaw Uprising may think that Polish POWs vere executed without exeption, while according to the capitulation Act from October 3, 1944, Home Army soldiers who surrendered in the last days of uprising were supposed to be treated as regular prisoners of war. This should be taken into consideration to ensure a more accurate understanding of the situation. Dreamcatcher25 ( talk) 07:34, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
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Right now just on pl wiki: pl:Kategoria:Zbrodnie oddziałów Wehrmachtu na polskich jeńcach wojennych Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:54, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
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Created by Piotrus ( talk). Self-nominated at 05:47, 2 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/German atrocities committed against Polish prisoners of war; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Good article.
Onegreatjoke (
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20:30, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
Minor comment: since the article was nominated, it has been expanded by User:Dreamcatcher25, who should be seen as co-author at this point and get DYK credit too, if possible. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:42, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
I am a bit surprised that the article doesn't mention that the treatment of Polish prisoners (with some exceptions) generally was in line with the Geneva Convention and their death rate was similar to that prisoners of war from Western Allied countries. [1] The Italian military internees encountered more atrocities and had a higher death rate but their article doesn't get an "atrocities" in the title.
Judging from the article title one might get the impression that the treatment of Polish POWs was comparable to that of Soviet POWs, which is not accurate. It seems like bias could be avoided by renaming and rewriting to cover the entire experience of Polish POWs in German captivity.
References
the German military again treated prisoners, except those from the USSR, largely according to the international laws of war... Mortality rates were low: 2–4% for Poles, 1–2.8% for French, about 1% for British and US prisoners, 2–2.5% for Belgians , 2–3% for Dutch and 3–6% for Yugoslavs. [his source for these figures seems to be Overmans , Rüdiger , 2005 . " Die Kriegsgefangenenpolitik des Deutschen Reiches 1939 bis 1945 ," DRZW , 9/2 ( Munich : dva ), pp. 729 – 875 .]
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IMHO, the title of the article speaks for itself, focusing on the atrocities rather than describing the overall situation of Polish POWs in German captivity. Whether this article should be expanded and renamend or a separate article about the overall situation of Polish POWs should be created is, of course, open to discussion. WP:BOLD is should be applied here. Dreamcatcher25 ( talk) 08:44, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
For the POWs from the occupied states captivity was made more onerous by the fact that, while their captors were still in theory regarding them as subject to the terms of the convention just like British and American POWs, the absence of the threat of retaliation meant that in practice their treatment deteriorated. The living conditions of the remaining Polish prisoners, for example, were noted by the Swiss to be often considerably below those granted captured British servicemen... The differences in the treatment accorded Anglo-American and other POWs became even more stark in March 1944, when OKW issued instructions that all escaped prisoners would in future be secretly handed over to the SS Security Service (SD) and sent to the concentration camp at Mauthausen to be executed: "except," the order cautioned, "British and American prisoners of war". In [12] the author writes (p.160):
Although never reaching the same defree of targeted mass killing of Polish prisoners at Katyn, Nazi occupiers followed a similar territorial pattern of committing very high levels of abuse against Polish prisoners... Since Poland was one of the eventual central sites for the Final Solution, German conduct toward prisoners remained extremely harsh...@ Dreamcatcher25 may have better sources on this (Datner?). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
@ Piotrus I am sorry to say that but after this edit this article indeed may be partially misleading. Now the reader without the deepen knowledge about Warsaw Uprising may think that Polish POWs vere executed without exeption, while according to the capitulation Act from October 3, 1944, Home Army soldiers who surrendered in the last days of uprising were supposed to be treated as regular prisoners of war. This should be taken into consideration to ensure a more accurate understanding of the situation. Dreamcatcher25 ( talk) 07:34, 26 June 2023 (UTC)