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Merge with Fiona Graham. This article reads like a big advertisment for the geisha house, and the subject is not independently notable outside of Graham. The section "Geisha mother" is basically a WP:FORK from Graham's article anyways, and any new information could be put in a concise section at that article. ◢ Ganbaruby! ( Say hi!) 01:49, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
In my opinion, the geisha house article should stay, but the information about the Geisha Mother should be merged into the Fiona Graham article. I have been trying to expand that article with more recent information but cannot get past the edit block and reverting vandals there. Anyway...
A selection of major news outlets from across the world:
Geicraftor ( talk) 07:28, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
It looks like there's a rough consensus in support of merging, so I'd like Geicraftor to identify the information that are missing from Graham's article that should be migrated over. I will say that the "Geisha mother" section is already covered in Graham's article; a lot of the history section belongs at Fukagawa, Tokyo. Other than that, please be specific and include reliable sources for each piece of information; it makes the editor making the merge's life easier. ◢ Ganbaruby! ( Say hi!) 02:20, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
This information should be copied over.
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Sayuki (lit. 'transparent happiness') is a geisha mother currently working as the head of a geisha house in the Fukagawa district of Tokyo. She also lectures at Waseda University in traditional Japanese culture. She also practices several arts, including the transverse flute an shamisen. Sayuki has acquired her permanent residency and finds historical significance in the revival of the dying geisha culture. [1] She holds a psychology degree from Keio University, a PhD and MBA in Social Anthropology from Oxford University, and has been working in Japanese media for several years with Reuters and NHK. She remains active as a lecturer at Waseda and as a visiting lecturer worldwide, and is still contacted by both domestic and foreign media for interviews and media coverage. [2] She came to Japan as an exchange student at the age of 15. She was inspired by the movie "Sayuri" to work as a geisha. Though the American cultural anthropologist Liza Dalby was the first westerner to formally dress as a geisha in the 1970s, she did not undergo formal training, and Sayuki was the first foreigner to undergo a formal training period. [3] She officially made her debut as a geisha in 2007, December, 18 in Asakusa. In 2015, she revived her Hanayanagi with other senior native geisha, and launched the Fukagawa geisha federation in 2020 in order to preserve the geisha tradition. [4] She is one of the few remaining geisha in Fukagawa and lives with her young disciples. She also recently found success with an online tatami room. It is possible for tourists to observe various practices of geisha at her school, such as dancing, shamisen, tea ceremony, or flower arrangement. She also hosts on-site performances of festival music with large drums, flutes and bells. [5] Fiona Graham's primary qualification at university was in social anthropology, and hence she has produced several documentaries for media outlets worldwide. She has produced and directed comparative cultural documentaries and has produced numerous documentaries on NHK, National Geographic Channel (USA), Channel 4 and the BBC (UK). She also directed, hosted, and narrated a program for Japanese viewers on NHK, which is extremely unusual for a foreigner. She mainly produced documentary programs on social phenomena that pursued deep relationships. [6] A property owned by Fiona Graham in New Zealand, Wanaka Gym Ltd, was fined by the Queenstown Lakes District Council in a dispute about whether the accommodation section of the property housing several tenants in a dormitory should be classified under building regulations as a single housing unit or as tourist housing. The dispute was taken to court but thrown-out on a technicality due to the appeal by Graham being too late. She contends that the ruling is unfair. The New Zealand Ombudsman had ruled in favour of her. Graham is frequently invited to present talks around the world as part of her Machizukuri Project to discuss machizukuri or town revitalization and tourism. She also does public talks throughout Japan and the world .for institutions and universities. [7] She also supports the charity HandsOnTokyo. In late 2007 she auctioned off a geisha event with proceeds going to the charity. [8] She has discussed the idea of holding a travelling roadshow in the US. [9] References
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Geicraftor ( talk) 06:35, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
I see a clear consensus to merge on this talk page. I've migrated over a WTHR reference to back up the geisha house sentence. The references for services offered are primary sources, so I don't want to go into too much detail with them. Other than that, I can't find anything else to merge, so I'll redirect the page. Further discussion should be brought up at Talk:Fiona Graham; please let me know if I missed any. ◢ Ganbaruby! ( Say hi!) 02:39, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
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Merge with Fiona Graham. This article reads like a big advertisment for the geisha house, and the subject is not independently notable outside of Graham. The section "Geisha mother" is basically a WP:FORK from Graham's article anyways, and any new information could be put in a concise section at that article. ◢ Ganbaruby! ( Say hi!) 01:49, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
In my opinion, the geisha house article should stay, but the information about the Geisha Mother should be merged into the Fiona Graham article. I have been trying to expand that article with more recent information but cannot get past the edit block and reverting vandals there. Anyway...
A selection of major news outlets from across the world:
Geicraftor ( talk) 07:28, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
It looks like there's a rough consensus in support of merging, so I'd like Geicraftor to identify the information that are missing from Graham's article that should be migrated over. I will say that the "Geisha mother" section is already covered in Graham's article; a lot of the history section belongs at Fukagawa, Tokyo. Other than that, please be specific and include reliable sources for each piece of information; it makes the editor making the merge's life easier. ◢ Ganbaruby! ( Say hi!) 02:20, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
This information should be copied over.
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Sayuki (lit. 'transparent happiness') is a geisha mother currently working as the head of a geisha house in the Fukagawa district of Tokyo. She also lectures at Waseda University in traditional Japanese culture. She also practices several arts, including the transverse flute an shamisen. Sayuki has acquired her permanent residency and finds historical significance in the revival of the dying geisha culture. [1] She holds a psychology degree from Keio University, a PhD and MBA in Social Anthropology from Oxford University, and has been working in Japanese media for several years with Reuters and NHK. She remains active as a lecturer at Waseda and as a visiting lecturer worldwide, and is still contacted by both domestic and foreign media for interviews and media coverage. [2] She came to Japan as an exchange student at the age of 15. She was inspired by the movie "Sayuri" to work as a geisha. Though the American cultural anthropologist Liza Dalby was the first westerner to formally dress as a geisha in the 1970s, she did not undergo formal training, and Sayuki was the first foreigner to undergo a formal training period. [3] She officially made her debut as a geisha in 2007, December, 18 in Asakusa. In 2015, she revived her Hanayanagi with other senior native geisha, and launched the Fukagawa geisha federation in 2020 in order to preserve the geisha tradition. [4] She is one of the few remaining geisha in Fukagawa and lives with her young disciples. She also recently found success with an online tatami room. It is possible for tourists to observe various practices of geisha at her school, such as dancing, shamisen, tea ceremony, or flower arrangement. She also hosts on-site performances of festival music with large drums, flutes and bells. [5] Fiona Graham's primary qualification at university was in social anthropology, and hence she has produced several documentaries for media outlets worldwide. She has produced and directed comparative cultural documentaries and has produced numerous documentaries on NHK, National Geographic Channel (USA), Channel 4 and the BBC (UK). She also directed, hosted, and narrated a program for Japanese viewers on NHK, which is extremely unusual for a foreigner. She mainly produced documentary programs on social phenomena that pursued deep relationships. [6] A property owned by Fiona Graham in New Zealand, Wanaka Gym Ltd, was fined by the Queenstown Lakes District Council in a dispute about whether the accommodation section of the property housing several tenants in a dormitory should be classified under building regulations as a single housing unit or as tourist housing. The dispute was taken to court but thrown-out on a technicality due to the appeal by Graham being too late. She contends that the ruling is unfair. The New Zealand Ombudsman had ruled in favour of her. Graham is frequently invited to present talks around the world as part of her Machizukuri Project to discuss machizukuri or town revitalization and tourism. She also does public talks throughout Japan and the world .for institutions and universities. [7] She also supports the charity HandsOnTokyo. In late 2007 she auctioned off a geisha event with proceeds going to the charity. [8] She has discussed the idea of holding a travelling roadshow in the US. [9] References
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Geicraftor ( talk) 06:35, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
I see a clear consensus to merge on this talk page. I've migrated over a WTHR reference to back up the geisha house sentence. The references for services offered are primary sources, so I don't want to go into too much detail with them. Other than that, I can't find anything else to merge, so I'll redirect the page. Further discussion should be brought up at Talk:Fiona Graham; please let me know if I missed any. ◢ Ganbaruby! ( Say hi!) 02:39, 8 March 2021 (UTC)