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Text says he died a day before Benny Hill, but date of death suggests it was a day AFTER.
Expert predicted that Hill died 1 day before Howerd, however, Benny Hill was FOUND DEAD the day after Howerd died
Frankie revisited A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum in the mid 1980s in London's West End. The cast also featured Patrick Cargill. 213.104.164.20 15:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)Graeme
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There is a "Coupling" episode where his voice is discussed, & which I am not familiar with. Are there stories of his voice? Why not in the article?
This could use some grammar:
Throughout his career, Howerd hid his potentially career-destroying homosexuality (which had been illegal in Britain until 1967) from both his audience and his mother. In 1955, Frankie met waiter Dennis Heymer, who later became his manager. Dennis was with Frankie for thirty years, both as lighting operator, manager and partner; until Howerd died.
Dennis was with Frankie for thirty years, as lighting operator, manager and partner, until Howerd died.
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It says some were offended by his inclusion of a few racist jokes in his revived act. Who and when? Can anyone back this up with references? AnthonyEMiller ( talk) 17:34, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I have questioned facts regarding Howerd's education. Can anyone throw more light on this? I am unaware of any connection between Shooters Hill Grammar School and Felsted School. In any case, Felsted School was founded long before Shooters Hill GS; thus the current statement makes no sense. Timothy Titus Talk To TT 11:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
It wouldn't have been Howerd's obituary where he was "quoted" praising the late Benny Hill but Hill's. Even the fact-free tabloids wouldn't be dumb enough to manufacture a quote from Howerd for his own obit. TheOneOnTheLeft ( talk) 12:01, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
"his potentially career-destroying homosexuality (which was illegal in Britain until 1967)" is wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong! So far as I know, homosexuality has never been illegal in Britain. What was illegal were certain acts between males. Can someone good with words please change it? 80.2.201.189 ( talk) 13:45, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Has someone got carried away with these? 6, face, film ... surely no other references are needed to understand these terms. -- John Price ( talk) 15:36, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
He was out of the public eye from about 59-63, I'd say. Rothorpe ( talk) 23:46, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
There is no mention of the Frankie Howerd TV series done for the CBC in the 70s called "ooo Canada". 173.52.14.89 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC).
As I remember, this series was a major comeback for Howerd, and is largely the reason why he is remembered today, yet it barely gets a mention. It deserves a section of its own, since it spawned at least two series and movies, and brought a new audience to Howerd's talents. Rodhull andemu 00:46, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
A long time ago, when I was at secondary school, I remember reading in a magazine about why he changed his name from "Howard" to "Howerd" - it was cunning ploy to get noticed, being a less common spelling. Bear in mind I must have read that in the early 1980s! If any one knows about this, and has good sources - i.e. why he changed his name - it would be nice if such a Wikipedian could add the essential information to the article. ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 00:21, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
I don't think that the film Runaway Bus was low-budget, or could not afford scenery. There is scenery. The fog was an essential feature of the film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 09:23, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
The I reverted had no summary. I reverted with the edit summary "so what's wrong with that source?" This was re-reverted with the summary "Reverted good faith edits by Martinevans123: Perhaps a talk page discussion, rather than edit warring to add the least useful piece of information about Howerd. The poorly formatted cite should also be in the text, not here." So, who's "edit warring" exactly? Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
So should we add Howerd's "resting place", suitably sourced of course, into the text and in the info box? Perhaps other editors have views on this? Martinevans123 ( talk) 21:02, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Since the Scott Wilson's book was not considered a reliable source, I replaced it with the Telegraph's obituary. I added it in the legacy since there was the mention to the burial place. I agree it would be best to have it on the Death section. BTW, the info in the personal life section are wrong: "The two were buried together in a replica Egyptian sarcophagus", is not true. That was their wishes, but they were not married, and Howerd's sister had Howerd buried alone. Heymer later married a younger man who was the protege of Howerd, so that Howerd's inheritance could pass to him without being decurted by taxes. When Heymer died, Chris (the husband) buried Heymer near Howerd, but not together.-- Elisa.rolle ( talk) 21:47, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Back to the reason for the original thread. Should "Resting place", which is now fully sourced in the text, with quite a lot of extra detail as it turns out, also appear in the info box? Martinevans123 ( talk) 08:49, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
The opening paragraph on this page bothers me. Basically this guys career did span sixty years, and he was a popular figure. The Barry Cryer description of his career as ‘a series of comebacks’ is a bit of an insult. Especially given the fact that I suspect Frankie Howerd was/is significantly more well known than Barry Cryer.
Would we allow the opening paragraph of Bruce Forsyth Wikipedia entry to read ‘ had a career spanning seventy years, described by David Wallisms as “a bit mediocre”.’?
Unless anyone disagrees strongly, I’d like to remove this reference from the page.
I suspect Mr Cryer would not mind. Miami Jackson ( talk) 20:22, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
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Text says he died a day before Benny Hill, but date of death suggests it was a day AFTER.
Expert predicted that Hill died 1 day before Howerd, however, Benny Hill was FOUND DEAD the day after Howerd died
Frankie revisited A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum in the mid 1980s in London's West End. The cast also featured Patrick Cargill. 213.104.164.20 15:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)Graeme
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There is a "Coupling" episode where his voice is discussed, & which I am not familiar with. Are there stories of his voice? Why not in the article?
This could use some grammar:
Throughout his career, Howerd hid his potentially career-destroying homosexuality (which had been illegal in Britain until 1967) from both his audience and his mother. In 1955, Frankie met waiter Dennis Heymer, who later became his manager. Dennis was with Frankie for thirty years, both as lighting operator, manager and partner; until Howerd died.
Dennis was with Frankie for thirty years, as lighting operator, manager and partner, until Howerd died.
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It says some were offended by his inclusion of a few racist jokes in his revived act. Who and when? Can anyone back this up with references? AnthonyEMiller ( talk) 17:34, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I have questioned facts regarding Howerd's education. Can anyone throw more light on this? I am unaware of any connection between Shooters Hill Grammar School and Felsted School. In any case, Felsted School was founded long before Shooters Hill GS; thus the current statement makes no sense. Timothy Titus Talk To TT 11:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
It wouldn't have been Howerd's obituary where he was "quoted" praising the late Benny Hill but Hill's. Even the fact-free tabloids wouldn't be dumb enough to manufacture a quote from Howerd for his own obit. TheOneOnTheLeft ( talk) 12:01, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
"his potentially career-destroying homosexuality (which was illegal in Britain until 1967)" is wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong! So far as I know, homosexuality has never been illegal in Britain. What was illegal were certain acts between males. Can someone good with words please change it? 80.2.201.189 ( talk) 13:45, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Has someone got carried away with these? 6, face, film ... surely no other references are needed to understand these terms. -- John Price ( talk) 15:36, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
He was out of the public eye from about 59-63, I'd say. Rothorpe ( talk) 23:46, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
There is no mention of the Frankie Howerd TV series done for the CBC in the 70s called "ooo Canada". 173.52.14.89 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC).
As I remember, this series was a major comeback for Howerd, and is largely the reason why he is remembered today, yet it barely gets a mention. It deserves a section of its own, since it spawned at least two series and movies, and brought a new audience to Howerd's talents. Rodhull andemu 00:46, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
A long time ago, when I was at secondary school, I remember reading in a magazine about why he changed his name from "Howard" to "Howerd" - it was cunning ploy to get noticed, being a less common spelling. Bear in mind I must have read that in the early 1980s! If any one knows about this, and has good sources - i.e. why he changed his name - it would be nice if such a Wikipedian could add the essential information to the article. ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 00:21, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
I don't think that the film Runaway Bus was low-budget, or could not afford scenery. There is scenery. The fog was an essential feature of the film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 09:23, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
The I reverted had no summary. I reverted with the edit summary "so what's wrong with that source?" This was re-reverted with the summary "Reverted good faith edits by Martinevans123: Perhaps a talk page discussion, rather than edit warring to add the least useful piece of information about Howerd. The poorly formatted cite should also be in the text, not here." So, who's "edit warring" exactly? Martinevans123 ( talk) 20:19, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
So should we add Howerd's "resting place", suitably sourced of course, into the text and in the info box? Perhaps other editors have views on this? Martinevans123 ( talk) 21:02, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Since the Scott Wilson's book was not considered a reliable source, I replaced it with the Telegraph's obituary. I added it in the legacy since there was the mention to the burial place. I agree it would be best to have it on the Death section. BTW, the info in the personal life section are wrong: "The two were buried together in a replica Egyptian sarcophagus", is not true. That was their wishes, but they were not married, and Howerd's sister had Howerd buried alone. Heymer later married a younger man who was the protege of Howerd, so that Howerd's inheritance could pass to him without being decurted by taxes. When Heymer died, Chris (the husband) buried Heymer near Howerd, but not together.-- Elisa.rolle ( talk) 21:47, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
Back to the reason for the original thread. Should "Resting place", which is now fully sourced in the text, with quite a lot of extra detail as it turns out, also appear in the info box? Martinevans123 ( talk) 08:49, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
The opening paragraph on this page bothers me. Basically this guys career did span sixty years, and he was a popular figure. The Barry Cryer description of his career as ‘a series of comebacks’ is a bit of an insult. Especially given the fact that I suspect Frankie Howerd was/is significantly more well known than Barry Cryer.
Would we allow the opening paragraph of Bruce Forsyth Wikipedia entry to read ‘ had a career spanning seventy years, described by David Wallisms as “a bit mediocre”.’?
Unless anyone disagrees strongly, I’d like to remove this reference from the page.
I suspect Mr Cryer would not mind. Miami Jackson ( talk) 20:22, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Frankie Howard (footballer) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 00:07, 17 October 2020 (UTC)