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How do we change the valve covers in these things?
Hahah... You're funny. But in seriosuness, does anybody have any idea what separates the Triton from the MOD? Is it the application (truck vs. car)? I have been making some little additions to both pages trying to keep them separate, based on what I have read...This could be a little better if we have more info on why these are separately named. One problem I have had is with Ford of Australia. They use 5.4 MOD V8s in their cars. Are these MOD or Triton MOD? Same point with the 2000 Cobra R. 70.26.11.45 02:56, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
I can tell you from taking these out, that the 99 Cobra model has an 8 bolt main, not a 6. When you swap bottom ends out, you have to get a different clutch and everything.
Triton is just Ford's marketing term for modular V8s used in truck applications. As for Ford Australia, the way I understand it is that the 5.4 liter Modular V8 used in the Falcon are very similar to the 2000 Cobra R's engine, putting out the same power and torque. I've read that the blocks are made in North America but that heads are locally produced in Australia but I'm not sure if that is the case or not. So to break it down, if it's in a truck, it's a Triton (which is a modular engine) but if a modular engine is in a car, it's refered to as a modular engine.
The heads on the falcons are the same cheads as the 03-04 cobras —Preceding
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17:11, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Cammer was DOMINANT in 2005. The cars using the Cammer won the manufacturer title, and had a podium finish in almost every race of the 2005 season (8 of 10 races?). That counts as dominance in any race mandate, short of winning every race, which nobody has done. The iditoic new rules they brought in resulted in making the M3 too competitive, rather than giving the mustang parity, due to the restrictors and the ridiculously low weight they now allow for the M3. What a joke. Now you see why the GTO is not competitive. They are heavily weighted and restricted. CJ DUB 15:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Anyone have any idea on the HP of the 1994 4.6L DOHC ford engine in a Lincoln TownCar? Answer: 160 hp (112 kW) to 210 hp (157kw)depense on the series: Executive, Cartier, signature
Hey, I'm new to this whole wikipedia thing, I just created the account actually, but I noticed that the article was wrong in stating that the 2003-04 Mustang Cobra (aka Terminator) uses the aluminum DOHC. They actually put a cast iron in to handle the extra power that was added from the supercharger. Someone who is more familiar with the system can change that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ajerman ( talk • contribs) 15:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC).
It would be nice if we had this data for all the Ford engines, since it is an integral part of how they dvelop power, TQ, and their characteristic Ford sound. GMs for example fire quite a bit different. As far as I know 4.6 modular, (all of them) are 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8. 192.197.71.189 18:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
-CJ
The 2-valve 4.6 iron block was also used in the F-Series from 1997-?? I would assume 2004 when they switched the 5.4 to the 3-valve. I'm unsure as to whether they still offer it.
Sorry, I don't have time to do any research right now.
-Kris -- 65.208.138.225 21:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
That engine is called the "Triton" It has its own page for pickup truck apps. They still offer it as the 4.6L 2v option for trucks. I checked the ford website and its the old 4.6L 2v iron block (Al heads). The only other 4.6 in the line-up right now is the aluminum 3v and they are NOT using that for anything but Explorers and Mustangs. 16:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Right now, after a brief glance at the article, it looks like the example cars are all Ford Co products. What about customer cars, such as the Panoz Roadster and the Qvale Mangusta. I know they're not high volume vehicles, but some mention of the Ford engines in non-Ford products should be made. Gentgeen 23:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Well I have read both articles and found that most of the data is duplicated and does not need to occupy 2 different articles. I'm starting a discussion as per Wikipedia code of editing and I want to know what everyone thinks before anything else is done. Please post your comments weather to keep separate (and show good reasoning) or merge together relevant information. Yours 13:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
TheBalance 20:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
BeaverDono 02:39, 15th of November 2007
Articles merged. TheBalance 16:34, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
the article states they started using th aluminum crossover in 2002, when they became standard halfway through all the 2001 year models. Most all Romeo based new edges have the aluminum cross-over on the intake manifold. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MustangAficionado ( talk • contribs) 00:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Saleen Manufactures a 302 CID (5.0L) Modular, 3-Valve SOHC V8 engine, based on the Ford 4.6l 3V modular V8, which is sold both as a crate engine, and installed in various 2008/2009 models of Saleen Mustang. The normally-aspirated version installed in the 2008 H302 is rated at 390 HP/390 lb-ft TQ, while the top end "S302E Extreme" gets a supercharged Saleen 302 rated at 620 HP/600 lb-ft TQ. Bore is 3.554”, stroke is 3.800”. (reference: http://www.saleen.com/2008_h302_3v_specs.asp, http://www.saleen.com/2008_s302_xt_specs.asp)
Chris.
The Boss replaces the V10. The 6.2 is optional in the Raptor, and the base SD engine. Yes, the base engine is the current SD is the 5.4 3V, but look at it like the Expedition in which the optional 5.4 eventually became the only engine offering, they simply phased out the 4.6 in that application. Similar is happening with the SD, in which the V10 successor becomes the base engine. The Modular lives on in v2.0 as the Coyote, which is the 4.6/5.4 replacement. 6.2 fuel economy and HP goals were based on besting the V10, the 5.4 never factored into the equation because the 6.2 isn't intended as the 5.4 replacement...the Coyote fills those shoes. TheBalance ( talk) 04:44, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
don't confuse "modular" with overhead cam engine design. the coyote is NOT part of the modular engine family, otherwise Ford would have just done some adjustments to the modular engine lines to build this new engine. coyote v8 needs to have its own page. -- 72.85.10.69 ( talk) 18:25, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
The performance parts aftermarket is slowly warming up to the "modular" engine. Trick Flow Specialties now makes a splayed valve 2V replacement head for the 4.6 PI. The stock heads have both valves tilted towards the outside, resulting in a restricting kink in the intake airflow. The TFS heads tilt the intake valves towards the inside. The stock camshafts, gears, chains, cam followers- every part aside from the heads, valves, springs, guides and retainers can be re-used from the original engine. I don't know if the heads will fit both the Windows and Romeo built 4.6 PI. According to the magazine article I read on these, simply changing to these TFS heads almost doubles the horsepower. They tested the stock and TFS heads with an aftermarket intake fitted with a 4V carburetor (a carb?! in 2010?!) and an aftermarket electronic ignition controller. Bizzybody ( talk) 06:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
These engines don't use camshaft bearings. The shafts run directly in bare aluminum saddles machined into the heads. Have there been any issues with failures? Keeping the oil clean would be extremely vital as getting something in there which scores the bearing surface means the head is ruined, rather than being able to replace a bearing insert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizzybody ( talk • contribs) 06:30, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
That lack of cam cap bearing inserts is not an issue as failures are virtually nonexistent barring mistreatment (i.e. being run out of oil). If the cam journals are scored they can be line honed and fitted with bearing inserts. TheBalance ( talk) 23:16, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
When the "modular" engine was first announced, I had visions of an engine line assembled from V-twin sections or modules so that (in theory) they could be bolted together as anything from a V-2 to V-10, or longer if the crankshaft and camshafts could be made. Imagine such with special intermediate sections for extra timing drives to reduce twist on the longer shafts. Would've been great for pulling competitions and land speed record vehicles.
But instead Ford misused the word modular to refer to I-4, V-6 and V-8 engines all having the same bore spacing and deck height, then only made V-8 versions, completely eliminating any link to "modular" design, yet still used the word. Modular became a marketing word with no engineering reality to back it up. Bizzybody ( talk) 06:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Actually, the V10 Triton fits your bill. As so many mfg. do, the difference between V8 & V10 is often the subtraction of or addition of an extra pair of cylinders. BMW's Motorsport Division did it as well with the S85 V10 (2006-2010 M5, M6) and the S65 (2008-2012 M3). I don't know how to sign this, so I hope the program does it for me here on 3 Sep 2011 Rtelkin ( talk) 22:01, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
The spark plug thread problem is much more serious than stated in the article. The affected engines only have four thread engagement of the spark plugs. In aluminum that is very weak. When the threads let go the plug is ejected rather violently, usually destroying the coil. Ford's authorized repair procedure for pickup trucks involves unbolting and lifting the cab off the frame so mechanics can gain easier access to the spark plug holes. Other companies have designed special repair tools and thread repair inserts which can be installed without lifting up the cab. Some "smart" person or persons at Ford @#Q#%ed up big time. What kind of brain failure ever thought four threads would hold in aluminum? Bizzybody ( talk) 08:42, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Hey guys, wiki usually scoops everybody...where is the 5.8L information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.156.209 ( talk) 14:22, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
I see someone listed the 5.8's bore size at 3.66 inches. What is the source of this info? I haven't seen anything definitive on the 5.8's bore diameter yet. TheBalance ( talk) 18:46, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
I notice that the article says the redline has been verified up to 8400 RPM and has a citation, but I could not find that information anywhere within the link. Any thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.222.220.21 ( talk) 04:19, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
I was wondering where I could find a comprehensive list of differences in 2v 4.6s by year and model. I tried googling these things and couldn't find it, I think it would make a great addition to this article. I understand some info may be difficult to source but I believe bored people on forums may have already done this work and I was hoping someone may bring it to this Wikipedia article since I read about the modular and the f150 several times and couldn't find this info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.136.53 ( talk) 23:08, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
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How do we change the valve covers in these things?
Hahah... You're funny. But in seriosuness, does anybody have any idea what separates the Triton from the MOD? Is it the application (truck vs. car)? I have been making some little additions to both pages trying to keep them separate, based on what I have read...This could be a little better if we have more info on why these are separately named. One problem I have had is with Ford of Australia. They use 5.4 MOD V8s in their cars. Are these MOD or Triton MOD? Same point with the 2000 Cobra R. 70.26.11.45 02:56, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
I can tell you from taking these out, that the 99 Cobra model has an 8 bolt main, not a 6. When you swap bottom ends out, you have to get a different clutch and everything.
Triton is just Ford's marketing term for modular V8s used in truck applications. As for Ford Australia, the way I understand it is that the 5.4 liter Modular V8 used in the Falcon are very similar to the 2000 Cobra R's engine, putting out the same power and torque. I've read that the blocks are made in North America but that heads are locally produced in Australia but I'm not sure if that is the case or not. So to break it down, if it's in a truck, it's a Triton (which is a modular engine) but if a modular engine is in a car, it's refered to as a modular engine.
The heads on the falcons are the same cheads as the 03-04 cobras —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
98.197.193.249 (
talk)
17:11, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Cammer was DOMINANT in 2005. The cars using the Cammer won the manufacturer title, and had a podium finish in almost every race of the 2005 season (8 of 10 races?). That counts as dominance in any race mandate, short of winning every race, which nobody has done. The iditoic new rules they brought in resulted in making the M3 too competitive, rather than giving the mustang parity, due to the restrictors and the ridiculously low weight they now allow for the M3. What a joke. Now you see why the GTO is not competitive. They are heavily weighted and restricted. CJ DUB 15:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Anyone have any idea on the HP of the 1994 4.6L DOHC ford engine in a Lincoln TownCar? Answer: 160 hp (112 kW) to 210 hp (157kw)depense on the series: Executive, Cartier, signature
Hey, I'm new to this whole wikipedia thing, I just created the account actually, but I noticed that the article was wrong in stating that the 2003-04 Mustang Cobra (aka Terminator) uses the aluminum DOHC. They actually put a cast iron in to handle the extra power that was added from the supercharger. Someone who is more familiar with the system can change that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ajerman ( talk • contribs) 15:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC).
It would be nice if we had this data for all the Ford engines, since it is an integral part of how they dvelop power, TQ, and their characteristic Ford sound. GMs for example fire quite a bit different. As far as I know 4.6 modular, (all of them) are 1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8. 192.197.71.189 18:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
-CJ
The 2-valve 4.6 iron block was also used in the F-Series from 1997-?? I would assume 2004 when they switched the 5.4 to the 3-valve. I'm unsure as to whether they still offer it.
Sorry, I don't have time to do any research right now.
-Kris -- 65.208.138.225 21:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
That engine is called the "Triton" It has its own page for pickup truck apps. They still offer it as the 4.6L 2v option for trucks. I checked the ford website and its the old 4.6L 2v iron block (Al heads). The only other 4.6 in the line-up right now is the aluminum 3v and they are NOT using that for anything but Explorers and Mustangs. 16:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Right now, after a brief glance at the article, it looks like the example cars are all Ford Co products. What about customer cars, such as the Panoz Roadster and the Qvale Mangusta. I know they're not high volume vehicles, but some mention of the Ford engines in non-Ford products should be made. Gentgeen 23:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Well I have read both articles and found that most of the data is duplicated and does not need to occupy 2 different articles. I'm starting a discussion as per Wikipedia code of editing and I want to know what everyone thinks before anything else is done. Please post your comments weather to keep separate (and show good reasoning) or merge together relevant information. Yours 13:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
TheBalance 20:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
BeaverDono 02:39, 15th of November 2007
Articles merged. TheBalance 16:34, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
the article states they started using th aluminum crossover in 2002, when they became standard halfway through all the 2001 year models. Most all Romeo based new edges have the aluminum cross-over on the intake manifold. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MustangAficionado ( talk • contribs) 00:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Saleen Manufactures a 302 CID (5.0L) Modular, 3-Valve SOHC V8 engine, based on the Ford 4.6l 3V modular V8, which is sold both as a crate engine, and installed in various 2008/2009 models of Saleen Mustang. The normally-aspirated version installed in the 2008 H302 is rated at 390 HP/390 lb-ft TQ, while the top end "S302E Extreme" gets a supercharged Saleen 302 rated at 620 HP/600 lb-ft TQ. Bore is 3.554”, stroke is 3.800”. (reference: http://www.saleen.com/2008_h302_3v_specs.asp, http://www.saleen.com/2008_s302_xt_specs.asp)
Chris.
The Boss replaces the V10. The 6.2 is optional in the Raptor, and the base SD engine. Yes, the base engine is the current SD is the 5.4 3V, but look at it like the Expedition in which the optional 5.4 eventually became the only engine offering, they simply phased out the 4.6 in that application. Similar is happening with the SD, in which the V10 successor becomes the base engine. The Modular lives on in v2.0 as the Coyote, which is the 4.6/5.4 replacement. 6.2 fuel economy and HP goals were based on besting the V10, the 5.4 never factored into the equation because the 6.2 isn't intended as the 5.4 replacement...the Coyote fills those shoes. TheBalance ( talk) 04:44, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
don't confuse "modular" with overhead cam engine design. the coyote is NOT part of the modular engine family, otherwise Ford would have just done some adjustments to the modular engine lines to build this new engine. coyote v8 needs to have its own page. -- 72.85.10.69 ( talk) 18:25, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
The performance parts aftermarket is slowly warming up to the "modular" engine. Trick Flow Specialties now makes a splayed valve 2V replacement head for the 4.6 PI. The stock heads have both valves tilted towards the outside, resulting in a restricting kink in the intake airflow. The TFS heads tilt the intake valves towards the inside. The stock camshafts, gears, chains, cam followers- every part aside from the heads, valves, springs, guides and retainers can be re-used from the original engine. I don't know if the heads will fit both the Windows and Romeo built 4.6 PI. According to the magazine article I read on these, simply changing to these TFS heads almost doubles the horsepower. They tested the stock and TFS heads with an aftermarket intake fitted with a 4V carburetor (a carb?! in 2010?!) and an aftermarket electronic ignition controller. Bizzybody ( talk) 06:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
These engines don't use camshaft bearings. The shafts run directly in bare aluminum saddles machined into the heads. Have there been any issues with failures? Keeping the oil clean would be extremely vital as getting something in there which scores the bearing surface means the head is ruined, rather than being able to replace a bearing insert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizzybody ( talk • contribs) 06:30, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
That lack of cam cap bearing inserts is not an issue as failures are virtually nonexistent barring mistreatment (i.e. being run out of oil). If the cam journals are scored they can be line honed and fitted with bearing inserts. TheBalance ( talk) 23:16, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
When the "modular" engine was first announced, I had visions of an engine line assembled from V-twin sections or modules so that (in theory) they could be bolted together as anything from a V-2 to V-10, or longer if the crankshaft and camshafts could be made. Imagine such with special intermediate sections for extra timing drives to reduce twist on the longer shafts. Would've been great for pulling competitions and land speed record vehicles.
But instead Ford misused the word modular to refer to I-4, V-6 and V-8 engines all having the same bore spacing and deck height, then only made V-8 versions, completely eliminating any link to "modular" design, yet still used the word. Modular became a marketing word with no engineering reality to back it up. Bizzybody ( talk) 06:37, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Actually, the V10 Triton fits your bill. As so many mfg. do, the difference between V8 & V10 is often the subtraction of or addition of an extra pair of cylinders. BMW's Motorsport Division did it as well with the S85 V10 (2006-2010 M5, M6) and the S65 (2008-2012 M3). I don't know how to sign this, so I hope the program does it for me here on 3 Sep 2011 Rtelkin ( talk) 22:01, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
The spark plug thread problem is much more serious than stated in the article. The affected engines only have four thread engagement of the spark plugs. In aluminum that is very weak. When the threads let go the plug is ejected rather violently, usually destroying the coil. Ford's authorized repair procedure for pickup trucks involves unbolting and lifting the cab off the frame so mechanics can gain easier access to the spark plug holes. Other companies have designed special repair tools and thread repair inserts which can be installed without lifting up the cab. Some "smart" person or persons at Ford @#Q#%ed up big time. What kind of brain failure ever thought four threads would hold in aluminum? Bizzybody ( talk) 08:42, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
Hey guys, wiki usually scoops everybody...where is the 5.8L information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.156.209 ( talk) 14:22, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
I see someone listed the 5.8's bore size at 3.66 inches. What is the source of this info? I haven't seen anything definitive on the 5.8's bore diameter yet. TheBalance ( talk) 18:46, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
I notice that the article says the redline has been verified up to 8400 RPM and has a citation, but I could not find that information anywhere within the link. Any thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.222.220.21 ( talk) 04:19, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
I was wondering where I could find a comprehensive list of differences in 2v 4.6s by year and model. I tried googling these things and couldn't find it, I think it would make a great addition to this article. I understand some info may be difficult to source but I believe bored people on forums may have already done this work and I was hoping someone may bring it to this Wikipedia article since I read about the modular and the f150 several times and couldn't find this info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.136.53 ( talk) 23:08, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
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