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The user is removing ronaldo's records based on his own personal view. He is stricly and clearly biased against any real madrid player or record. This website clearly says who had how many appearances and ultimately how many seasons to reach 100 goals: http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/es/Actualidad_Primer_Equipo/1330091624401/noticia/Noticia/Cristiano_Ronaldo_es_el_jugador_que_antes_llega_a_los_100_goles_en_Liga_en_la_historia_del_Real_.htm The closest to ronaldo were langara and puskas both taking over 4 seasons. All of the ones below them have at least 115 appearances meaning more than 3 seasons . This is a fact. HasperHunter ( talk) 00:54, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. It is always good when consensus is reached. Thank you for you part in it.-- Coquidragon ( talk) 02:41, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
This is more an observation than a criticism- but the record for 'Most league opening goals in a season' seems a bit contrived/artificial to me- especially since they all appear to favour Cristiano Ronaldo. But then again- maybe there's nothing wrong with obscure facts like that being put up on these 'Lists of records' pages. Any thoughts? Uranium grenade ( talk) 03:21, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
I researched this subject and I found out that if this is a "record" like the user who initialized wrote. This record would belong to Messi not Ronaldo. He scored 11 opening goals during 2010-11 season and Ronaldo 10 in 2011-12 season. Which 8 of them were away opening goals, another "record" that does not belong to Ronaldo (5 away goals in 2011-12). Also, in my research I found out that the other "record" for home opening goals does not belong to Ronaldo neither. David Villa scored 6 home opening goals during 2008-09 season. Better than Ronaldo 5 home goals in the 2011-12 season. I hope that you put a stop to the user who is posting this false information. It seems like it is a Ronaldo fan who is doing this. Please, stop this. Thank you. 21:05, 24 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gomero12345 ( talk • contribs)
http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/en/05_Mayo_Actualidad_11-12/1330104661891/noticia/Noticia/Cristiano_Ronaldo_becomes_first_player_to_score_against_every_team_in_one_La_Liga_season_with_20.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by DBSSHASPER ( talk • contribs) 12:52, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
This is the reference for the record. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_association_football_club_records#Most_goals_in_a_season Gomero12345 ( talk) 11:51, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
If you are going to make your corrections base on that reason then none of the records should be there. Don't you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3pler24 ( talk • contribs) 04:56, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
This record is needed for people to see who is near Telmo Zarra. Very important informacion. This is the reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_records_in_Spain#Top_ten_goalscorers.2C_still_active_.28Primera_Divisi.C3.B3n_only.29 Gomero12345 ( talk) 11:51, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
This is a record in spain. Read the references before deleting something http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/2292/editorials/2012/03/18/2974491/messi-stars-in-barcelonas-win-at-sevilla-but-the-eyes-of-the#
Marca: http://www.marca.com/2012/03/17/futbol/equipos/barcelona/1332022246.html
Mundodeportivo: http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20120319/fc-barcelona/leo-messi-pichichi-total_54270786397.html
This is included in the source: "It was a goal that saw Leo break another record as he became the youngest player to score 150 La Liga goals at 24 years and 270 days old."
Gomero12345 ( talk) 11:51, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
You have to read better. There are youngest scoring records for every player. 3pler24 ( talk) 20:21, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
The individual subsection of the La Liga section should only and only include players goalscoring history in la liga, because its inside the main section la liga. every other record follows this, except one. Lionel messi's 73 goal record is written by a vandal and barca fan a few weeks ago. This should be removed immediately as no others players info is mentioned for goals scored in all european competitions. this section should only inlcude la ligas information — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.71.197.17 ( talk) 04:35, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
A user has been putting youth info on the team records without WP:Consensus and other frivolous records like individual not losing a game consecutive when these have never been put and its already on the team info. Since it breaks WP:Consensus, it is removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.244.48.66 ( talk) 02:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
A players with most consecutive wins in la Liga & Players with most consecutive games without losing in a league game its different from the team one , and you can see both of them are referenced,Its just similar to player with most consecutive scoring records ??
2nd : for team one ... its not youth stats !! its barca 1st team scorers,also similar to other records included there .
please dont remove anything unless there is a consensus about it
Adnan Talk 7,25 15 November 2012 (UTC)
About consecutive wins in la liga, its the team that wins it and that info abt barca is already in team's record. so its totally not acceptable to add info about player winning consecutive win in la liga, because a player does not win game but a team. Its not similar to player with conescutive scoring because, it is the player who scores so that can be put here. but it is NOT a player who wins, its the team. Please stop reverting as you are about to break WP:3RR and I will have no option than to warn you through and admin. Masterpasa ( talk) 02:28, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Hello , there is a consensus about that at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Football_Records_in_Spain_.
so you please stop reverting as you are breaking a consensus and unless a new consensus about it agreed you dont have the right to change it now . Still, the concept about the team winning the match not the player...its just a record ! like scoring ...and its a national record as the references say so i dont see your point .. and again since a previous consensus agreed you cant change it without discussion it there thank you Adnan Talk 1.9 , 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you all. Adnan Talk 17:18, 10 December 2012 (UTC).
Adnan 20:53, 12 December 2012 (UTC).
I've now protected this page following a request at RPP. Clearly this dispute is not resolved. Ged UK 12:27, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Currently this page is quite heavy loaded with entries, I propose we streamline it a bit. Particularly I propose reducing excessive entries to make way for more interesting ones, right now this page is to cumbersome, there are to many insignificant entries, particularly under individual records.
For example, we could move all entries regarding individual scoring records to a Spanish Football top Scorers page leaving only the 3-4 most significant ones, that way we could reduce the page a lot, leaving space for Cup entries and European records entries, the latter one still missing completely.
We could also create a page for Spanish football individual records and move all entries to that page only leaving the 3-4 most important ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.16.70.181 ( talk) 12:11, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
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messi has not 229 matches 192 goals he has 230 matches 194 goals 85.98.163.65 ( talk) 23:39, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Messi does not have 192 goals in 229 apps for La Liga. Now, he has a record of 195 goals in 231 apps. I would use his Wikipedia profile as a source. Instead, I'll take the Messi's ESPN stats profile as a more reliable source. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/45843/lionel-messi?cc=3888 — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndresSuescun ( talk • contribs) 09:28, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
there are number of records we aren't agreeing about so lets just discuss it here and after that we decide to remove or keep the record..please no one remove the record before discussing it... Thank you :
-Only Spanish team to score in all away games in a La Liga season , its the same record as Most games with three or more goals in a season?? so which one seems more picky trivia ?? it's a season long record and no other team in the history of la liga did it..so why remove it ? the record should be about something no one else could do it! and this case is clear about that ... adding its well sourced also !
--Only team in Spanish League to have won all away games in the first half of the season : It's a winning record for a set games of la liga !
-Most consecutive games scoring: you are saying other teams are holding the record...even the source is clear about who holds the record and you couldn't provide a source stating otherwise but still keep removing it
-Most consecutive away wins in one season : its not about only ongoing records,its a consecutive record for win in one season..like consecutive wins in one season ! but this one its about away wins
-fastest player to score 100 goals by number of seasons !?! there is one for number of games as all other records ...it's for sure a trivia because there is no other records in whole wikipedia like that ! all just put number of games ! which is clearly Ronaldo doesn't have It's not a record then we are gonna talk about who scored 150 goals in number of seasons then 200 in number of seasons or 50 in number of seasons and then we add who scored in number of minutes ! so lets keep it clear number of games Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:481B:B0B1:8EC1:4CB4 ( talk) 23:44, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Well then its the same about deleting whatever I'm adding until i discuss it here to add :) so it goes against WP:BOLD also . for sure . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:E048:8F5A:1A95:BEE3 ( talk) 05:05, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
for the Only Spanish team to score in all away games in a La Liga season:
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??? clear record ?? with a clear reference ?? so why keep removing it ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:E048:8F5A:1A95:BEE3 ( talk) 07:38, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
anyway I'm sure any fair person if he looks at what you are doing he can understand me !, like first team to score 100 3 times on row ?? really ?is that even a record ?? then the ronaldo record about scoring 100 by number of seasons ?? its a trivia at best ! not even a record . finally the heavy win record //?? isn't also a trivia !! and most important point ! : this guy has been removing all the records i added because he is saying the source from the related club website !! but look at those last two records !! he refused to measure them at the same way ! the same reason he is convinced about shouldn't apply for records he wants ! plus he doesn't really communicate here ! he just wants to remove whatever doesn't like ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:ACD7:6FE5:3DBA:365 ( talk) 15:51, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Instead of using individual sources from clubs, why not using http://www.bdfutbol.com/en/ for all statistical data, it is already used for several of the entries on this page and it looks much better (cleaner) and less cluttered in the source list when a common source is used.
http://www.bdfutbol.com/en/ is the best statistical online source regarding la liga, is is directly based of official records and dubblechecked against alternative sources for errors, such as match reports in newspapers and printed sources. You simply will not find a better source for la liga, not even the statistical work by Vicente Martínez Calatrava which is listed on this page can match bdfutbol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.25.47.85 ( talk) 16:16, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
so lets start agree about the records please ... we are in dispute about . we don't want to add just trivial stuff
Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:4DB1:5DCC:61DB:86CC ( talk) 23:25, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
-fastest player to score 100 goals by number of seasons...its a trivia & biased towards Ronaldo...isnt it?? there is no need for such a record..
-Most games with three or more goals in a season : its just a trivia , because if we are doin that , then next time most games with 4 or more goals in a season or two goalst etc... not needed also ?? what do you think ??
- Only Spanish team to score in all away games in a La Liga season: This record is a La Liga standard not like just who scores more... or making special circumstances for it what do you think ?
-Most consecutive away wins in one season : shouldnt we have something like that..? because most records belong to the season... ?
-Only team in Spanish League to have won all away games in the first half of the season : whats your opinion about that please... ?
any other records you think we need to discuss ?? any other ideas ?? lets agree about the records so we can start working in finding reliable sources for it
Thank you again — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:4DB1:5DCC:61DB:86CC ( talk) 23:53, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
So its up to us to decide ... the record about fastest 100 goals in number in seasons there is nothing at all like it in all records pages !! it's really just making a special rule for ronaldo to go in what do you think ? also he already agreed the put the record 100 goals in 3 seasons just to show he can be more biased , so we don't need to talk about that i guess from the records i added i agree about winning away should be ongoing record...because it seems as that in other record pages.. i didnt find something like biggest win more than 3 in a season also neither about winning all away games in half of the season so we don't need them both
so the only record i think we can add the only team to score in all away seasons because it seems fit that . and it's a season long record as all records seems in other pages. talk)
I agree with Walter. And i clearly dont see why we would agree to cite bdfutbol when it is well known catalonian fan based webpage. The only credible source seems to be ligabbva which is the official la liga website.49.244.146.211 (talk) 02:11, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
On the other hand, the page you mention does list unofficial data for its top scorer list. In fact, it uses Marcas Pichichi list which is based of Marcas editors subjective criteria for who scored. The Pichichi list is not official, not recognized by LFP, and it is not used for the EMS european top scorer award. If you want to use an official web page, then the ONLY official online source is LFP.es. LFP it the orginizing body of the competition, they are the only ones that hold official data. ligabbva is the sponsor of the competition but they are not the ones that organize it, that page is completely worthless for compiling records because they don't use official records but instead personal and subjective records for their list, Top Scorers, Assist, Goalkeepers etc. 88.25.47.85 ( talk) 13:35, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Mr.Walter Görlitz If YOU think all the records are crap !! it doesn't make it crap ! because as what wikipedia says Editors usually reach consensus as a natural product of editing. After someone makes a change or addition to a page, others who read it can choose either to leave the page as it is or to change it. When editors do not reach agreement by editing, discussion on the associated talk pages continues the process toward consensus. which we are doing here ! you are saying its not voting ?? but you voted they are crap ?? so they are crap ? how can we reach consensus then ??
finally how about you bring us what records already existed at the current page and tell us which you think aren't up to the standard ? because all of what left they are good just need to fix the source for them and bring a better source !! i mean look at the premier league record page ! they have even much more records don't exist here as longest goal distance and stuff like that. so other than these record we have here in dispute we need to find better sources only !
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cristiano ronaldo now has 40 goals and is tied to ference puskas for this season. Please add this entry. Also since it is an active streak, the name should be bold. 49.244.170.224 ( talk) 05:27, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
In this section you can list any entry you do not agree with and we will sort it out, IE I don't agree with X entry because whatever is your argument. 88.25.47.85 ( talk) 12:40, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
2602:306:3878:81E0:8829:BAB5:477:A344 ( talk) 16:10, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
I think the following passage has to be revisited regarding the games, because in one case (most away games scored in) there are the actual games listed and in the other cases there are listed the games for the whole seasons, I guess this should be sorted out, one way or the other. THX in advance: Most league home goals in a season (38 games): 35, Lionel Messi (2011–12) Most league home matches scored in a season (38 games): 16, Lionel Messi (2011-12) Most league away goals in a season (38 games): 23, Cristiano Ronaldo (2011–12) Most league away matches scored in a season (19 games): 14, Daniel Güiza (2007-08) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.26.8 ( talk) 23:26, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
however the IP 49.244.84.20 made good point about youngest player to score 100 goals...it seems excessive and not needed . so what do you think remove them ?? I mean its fine to leave the youngest player to score one goal but for ever 50 goals ?? its too much :) 2602:306:3878:81E0:8829:BAB5:477:A344 ( talk) 10:26, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
My intend was to equal the standards for the amount of games. They all should have the same basis. That´s why I highlighted the games. In the case of Guizas record you refered to the actual amount of home games with 19, in the other cases you used the total amount of games in a season with 38. In my opinion you should refer to either one. I would prefer the actual games played and that would be 19 in all of those cases I wrote down. I meant anything but to remove those records. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.26.8 ( talk) 16:15, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
which is basically so far..to remove the youngest player to score 100 goals ? plus just actual games of 38 ?? and no record to add to the individual section for the ones already existed ?? also we need to find better reliable sources for them . Finally... about the team records ...it seems a mess ...I think many of these articles should be figured out properly and many other to remove...as example the section about Most effective team in a La Liga season at least 3 goals per game it seems not needed? what do you think... ??
2602:306:3878:81E0:FC0A:5A0D:FA15:29EF ( talk) 04:01, 26 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:84BD:E893:3AC4:50B5 ( talk)
If I was to opine, I would say remove all those personal records. None of the other league articles have records like most away, most consecutive etc etc etc. This will just create a quarrel between RM and Barca or Messi and Ronaldo fans and vice versa. 49.244.162.228 ( talk) 07:44, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes, but the other leagues don´t have Messi (Cristiano soon will be for forgotten, once he retires). By the way the "most consecutive goals scored in" section needs an update, he is already at 15. And I´m not sure, but shouldn´t he scored against every opposition by know. Sorry haven´t looked it up, but if he scored against 15 in a row in a league with 19 opponents that is likely to be, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.26.8 ( talk) 12:47, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
2602:306:3878:81E0:8829:BAB5:477:A344 ( talk) 15:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:E14D:F730:3FE7:E01C ( talk)
I´m absolut aware of what the number of games mean, but thanks for clarification anyway, but my point was the following one: In the section, wich I pasted a bit further up, regarding most away goals etc., there is once the actual number of away games (Guizas record) with 19 while all the other records refer to 38 games. I didn´t mean the actual games played by a certain player, but you should stick to one logic. It´s either the whole season (38 games) or the actual games (19) wich is of course the number you get when dividing 38 through 2. For me personally, it makes more sense to write down 19 in any of those cases, but anyway they should follow the same logic; either whole season or actual home/away games. Thanks for your work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.26.8 ( talk) 15:35, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Ok looked it up. Messi has only scored against 18 teams so far this season, he has to score against Celta de Vigo in about 3 Weeks time to complete sharing the record for "most teams scored against in one season" with the both Ronaldos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.26.8 ( talk) 15:51, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League_records_and_statistics they have the same kind of records about away goals , home goals etc... so what do you all think ? probably removing the fastest and youngest x goals should be removed because its not really important agree ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:84BD:E893:3AC4:50B5 ( talk) 17:56, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Never said it was, sorry mate. If you refering to the "...don´t have Messi..." line, that wasn´t too serious, thought you would get it, but I know, these kind of little jokes never work on the internet, sorry for misguiding, Anyway the page still isn´t up to date regarding Messi´s run of consecutive games scored in and obviously no descision has been made for the number of games or does it just stay in the current form? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.26.8 ( talk) 22:07, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
I say remove it ! you all ?
I say keep them. Let those others league pages follow. Sooner or later they will. Why take steps back, it´s completly against the spirit of Wikipedia. For me, it´s very understandable how these records are structured. If they are accurate and confirmed, they should stay. Who are we to decide, which part of this page is interesting for whomever with whatever reasons? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.26.8 ( talk) 19:09, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
""" Ok..So most of us are saying remove them...or think they are not needed records...(even if its not a matter of voting ) ... Do we move on and just remove them...?? what is next ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:68D4:96B9:34FF:D41E ( talk) 18:48, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
So the following records are present on the Football_records_in_England page, do we agree with keeping these and removing the rest (they can always be moved to the individual players page)
Any additions? I propose also keeping Most clean sheets as I think it is a significant record. 88.3.145.47 ( talk) 11:43, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
check it here ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:1587:C2E1:A335:C0AE ( talk) 20:38, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Individual :
So my removed Records from the current existed one in this page :
--Also at Most goals in a La Liga season (at least 100 goals) :
remove : First team to score at least X goals in a season
we already have the list of teams scored more than 100 goals which is good so we X goals thing is excessive .
-- the same for Most goals in a season – all competitions (at least 140 goals)
only leave the list and remove all the rest .. stuff suggested to be removed :
It should be noted though that a number of teams managed to score over 100 goals in a season during the 1930s when the national league and cup were played alongside the regional leagues. Most prolific among those was the Athletic Bilbao team of the early 1930s scoring 126 goals in 1929-30, 137 in 1930-31, 127 in 1931-32, 127 in 1932-33 and 115 in 1933-34, others include Real Oviedo scoring 114 in 1933-34 and 110 in 1935-36.
-- the list Most effective team in a La Liga season (at least 3 goals per game) I suggest its not needed...
final thing.. at Cup section then Individual
Remove :
that is my list... any consensus so we can move on and working into finding the sources !! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:3CB0:CB6E:6CB:E072 ( talk) 21:12, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
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The last updated information about Most league away matches scored in a season (38 games): 15, Lionel Messi (2012–13) is updated wrongly...Messi doesnt hold the record...Barca already just played 28 games (14 home + 14 away ) only ! http://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/first-team/calendar and messi scored in 13 games of them since he didn't score in away match to Seville ...So the last record by Guiza still stand by 14 . 2602:306:3878:81E0:85CF:6250:B208:ED78 ( talk) 15:12, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
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Update required on the Most goals in a season — all competitions (at least 40 goals) in the subsection individual records. Messi's 2012-13 has 57 goals but the apperances in 47 now. please change it from 45 to 47 and the ratio too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.244.27.109 ( talk) 07:59, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Messi's consecutive goals run hasn't ended just yet, because he didn't participate in the games of Barcelona from matchday 30 to 32 due to injury, logically he wasn't able to score. At his return for Barca he scored (matchday 33 in Bilbao), so he should stand at 20 cons. games in total and 13 at the away games. Thanks.
Don't know, if anyone is reading this, but here's a source that sees it the way I do, so maybe somebody would change it, if agreed. Thanks, again. Messi's streak at 20
Thanks for adjusting. But there is still the matchday wich needs fixing. Sorry, if I am to demaning. Regarding Forlan, there has been a change of the numbers on his Wiki-page, but the new ones still add up to 133, so he also should be included on the list. Like always, thanks in advance
One more update to "Most consecutive league matches scored in". Messi scored two goals on matchday 34 against Real Betis, so "Most consecutive league matches scored in" should be changed to 21 for him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.210.147.223 ( talk) 21:32, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
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The source given above is wrong (or to be more precise - a journalist was wrong) !! This streak is not for Messi`s league matches that he scored in but for consecutive matches (without any break) that Messi (or any other player) was able to score in. It`s visible in paper version of Guia Marca de la Liga (and I believe pretty soon will be updated in
http://www.rsssf.com/players/scoringstreaks.html) Messi`s streak has ended when he didn`t come on the pitch. It cannot be otherwise because there`s no data available for players in past 80 years who had similar breaks in such streaks (e.g injuries).
Would You also consider a streak for the hypothetical player who would move from Spain to another league and came back after a season or two ? If he would be scoring again his streak wouldn`t be ended also ? ;)
Changed back to previous stats.....
Another request: Shouldn't Diego Forlán be included on the 30 highest goalscorer list, because on my count he has scored 155 goals in spain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.44.247 ( talk) 16:54, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Alright, then the stats on his Wiki-page are still wrong:
2004–2007 Villarreal 106 (59) 2007–2011 Atlético Madrid 134 (74)
The page was previously changed from (96) to (74), so I changed the request from 155 to 133. But regarding to your 128 goals it has to be changed once more.
By the way: The total goals for teams has to be changed as well, because Barcelona has reached 105 in scored goals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.44.247 ( talk) 20:11, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
The user SupernovaeIAlkeep removing The biggest points difference between the first- and second-placed team at the end of the season , saying it's not needed even though its just the same as any other info included there about points .... If any of you guys agree with him just mention it so we remove it ! otherwise we are going to leave it
Thank you
Adnan_n2 ( talk) 03:13, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
http://www.totalbarca.com/2013/statistics/22nd-la-liga-in-numbers/ [User:Adnan_n2|Adnan_n2]] ( talk) 20:20, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Anyone oppose to change the formatting to bold as is used on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_records_in_England, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_records_in_France, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_records_in_Germany, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_records_in_Scotland, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_records_in_Sweden ? I think it is easier to distinguish individual records when they are displayed in bold font.
And also should we ad the spanish super cup records in the way FA Charity / Community Shield records are displayed on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_records_in_England page ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.27.194.86 ( talk) 10:21, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
This has been talked before: Talk:Football_records_in_Spain/Archive_2#Youngest_player_to_score_150_league_goals. Last time the argument in favor to remove these records were "This is not a Leo messi fan page." As seen in earlier discussion, both "youngest to score 150" and "200" were in the media [3] [4]. Also, EPL youngest to score 150 was in news: [5]. If you want to remove these stats, please give better reason. Kahkonen ( talk) 21:07, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
We're back to meaningless "records" and they don't have references. I'm also seeing that people are updating totals without references. This has got to stop. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 02:53, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
And the restoration of material as "vandalism" has begun again. A discussion would sure be nice and name calling and mischaracterization should be avoided. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 00:59, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
How is the trophy table not sourced? It is. So are the vast majority of the records mentioned. 99% of the data is from the Spanish Wikipedia version which uses Spanish sources and they cannot be used on the English version of Wikipedia if I am not mistaken.
Deleting all of the very useful material that has been updated regularly is wrong IMHO.
-- Suitcivil133 ( talk) 01:17, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Since some editors don't seem to get it and have been edit warring, I will suggest a different approach, I will mark the material as requiring references and do so in this manner:
Dubious material that has a reference somewhere, but not here. citation needed.
I plan to do this within two days unless references appear before that. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 16:36, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Let's debate here what are valid sources because since the data on this page is constantly being updated, there are no static data sources that are useful. Since this page has a source problem and no one here can agree on what are valid sources, the editors of this page can propose their own solution here. My proposition is that LFP.es is approved as a valid source, it contains the only official data on la liga and has in its database every result of every match ever played in la liga including full match data going back to the very first round played on the 10th of February 1929, it is also constantly updated to the latest match played. If LFP.es is approved, it can be used as a source for pretty much every statistic displayed on this page regarding wins, draws, losses, goals, games played, on both team and individual level, at least it contain all that data. Printed news media in Spain is extremely unreliable, they get everything wrong all the time, they can't even get the numbers for Ronaldo and Messi right even though they write about them every single day. I'd say, AS, Marca, MD, Sport, El País, El Mundo, or any other Spanish news media should not be used as a source, they are always full of errors. 88.9.45.26 ( talk) 16:42, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
[6] May 1, 2014 by 85.221.166.252
I don't understand this section. It only contains Madrid and Barcelona players and there is no clue how do you read 'all cometitions'. Is it all cups, all lower leagues while paying in Spain? Is it all club goals while playing in la liga? Why there is no Guillermo Gorostiza if he scored 290. Or Villa who scored 300 in Spain. -- SojerPL ( talk) 07:00, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
It would be nice to have all-time leaders in assists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.139.94.140 ( talk) 15:23, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
The user "Imperial HRH2" is removing the last (the one won during the 1952-1953 season) of the 3 Copa Eva Duarte trophies that FC Barcelona has won in total on the FC Barcelona page, this page and the Football records in Spain Wikipedia page.
/info/en/?search=Football_records_in_Spain
He is using the official webpage of FC Barcelona (the English version) as a source here but that webpage has no authority when it comes to official trophies won. It's the Spanish Football Federation (RFEF) that decides who won which trophy and when as they are the founders of those tournaments in place. In this case the Copa Eva Duarte trophy. In other words they are the highest authority.
The Spanish and Catalan Wikipedia versions of the Copa Eva Duarte trophy agree with that opinion and so do the Spanish and Catalan versions of the FC Barcelona page here on Wikipedia.
Most importantly RFEF itself recognizes it on their official webpage which must be regarded as a bigger authority on this matter than FC Barcelona's English webpage. To me it seems that they have just forgot to include the last Copa Eva Duarte triumph. If somebody contacts them to make them aware of this omission they would probably correct it the day after. Yet he bases it solely on what the FC Barcelona webpage says on their "trophy honors" list.
Here is the link to the official RFEF website.
http://www.rfef.es/noticias/supercopa/conoce-antecedentes-supercopa
In fact every source that I could find says that the Copa Eva Duarte was abolished in 1953 and that FC Barcelona won it in 1953 as they won the double that season (La Liga and Copa del Rey) just like they did the previous season where they were also awarded the Copa Eva Duarte trophy.
Please take a look at those 3 pages that I have linked to and give your opinion of this current dispute if you have the time.
Regards,
-- Suitcivil133 ( talk) 17:43, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
No opinion is required. This matter was solved months ago. No where in your rfef reference it says that copa argentina or any other preceding cups are considered official. Period! Stop reverting. SupernovaeIA ( talk) 18:07, 20 December 2014 (UTC) This is the official source for Barcelona's cups.. its own official website! http://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/detail/card/honours-football SupernovaeIA ( talk) 18:23, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
You are no authority on that. Let's get that straight first. Besides you are obviously a sockpuppet which is illegal on Wikipedia. Otherwise explain to me why 3 "different" Wikipedia users are discussing this with me on my talk page and why they all use the same ridiculous "argument" and all have reappeared in the past 2-3 days.
This discussion has not been discussed anywhere. At least not on this talk page which is where disputes are supposed to be discussed and solved!
FCB won the CED on 3 occasions (1948, 1952 and 1953). Those triumphs have nothing to do with the Copa de Oro Argentina which was only held for one season (1945). Please don't spread more nonsense then necessary!
The conclusion is that you did obviously not read my message. My references/sources are not Wikipedia. I just merely stated that the Spanish and Catalan versions on this regard agree with my view and present sources for that view.
My primary reference is the RFEF which is the Spanish Football Federation and the football organization that organized the Copa Eva Duarte trophy.
http://www.rfef.es/noticias/supercopa/conoce-antecedentes-supercopa
Let me quote that article;
"Con la Supercopa de España nacida en el 82, la RFEF recuperaba el precedente oficial inmediato conocido como la Copa Eva Duarte que no se disputaba desde el 53."
"La temporada 1952/1953 fue la última en la que se disputó esta competición como consecuencia del fallecimiento de Eva Duarte de Perón."
The Copa Eva Duarte became a official trophy organized by RFEF in 1947. In 1948 FCB won their first Copa Eva Duarte trophy defeating Sevilla in the final. In the 1951-1952 season FC Barcelona won the domestic double (La Liga trophy and Copa del Rey trophy) which meant that they were handed the trophy. They repeated the same the season after (1952-1953) where they won the domestic double and were awarded the Copa Eva Duarte trophy. This was the last edition of the Copa Eva Duarte. In 1982 the RFEF founded the current Spanish Super Cup.
Read the link I provided from the official webpage of RFEF and if you do not understand Spanish make a senior Spanish moderator or admin confirm what I have written.
Moreover I provided this page as well which also confirms that FCB won the Copa Eva Duarte trophy in the 1952-1953 for the reasons that I explained.
http://www.rsssf.com/tabless/spansupcuphist.html
FC Barcelona's English webpage obviously forgot the last trophy won by the club. If somebody contacted them and told them that they forgot the CDE won during the 1952-1953 season they would have corrected it. Why? Because the RFEF already recognizes them as winners during that season and every other source that I can find.
-- Suitcivil133 ( talk) 20:23, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Someone please solve this. Barcelona's official page disagrees [1]. And on your link from RFEF, it simply says that the last one was held in 53, thats all. Imperial HRH2 ( talk) 22:22, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Another issue, should this even be considered an official trophy? I cannot find "official" in any sources and FIFA [2] doesn't recognise it as a major honour, neither does another source. [3] Should this just be removed from both the FC Barcelona and Real Madrid trophy count to prevent pro Barca vandals and other from switching the count from 2 to 3 and vice versa? Imperial HRH2 ( talk) 07:58, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
So, based on the discussion from FCB's talk page, can we go ahead and add Eva Duarte back to the list?-- Coquidragon ( talk) 18:32, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
You could, be our guest. But this is not a semi-protected page and I'm pretty sure you are going to be involved in a few edit wars. Good luck.
P.S. - Just add the two for now, so its 80 trophies each and thus reflects the Barcelona and Real Madrid page (until we figure out the last Eva Duarte). Imperial HRH2 ( talk) 18:47, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
This is the exchange that I had with Dantetheperuvian ( talk) about the UIC record.-- Coquidragon ( talk) 00:33, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Greetings, I saw the two changes you did for Atlético and Deportivo for 2007 and 2008 respectively. Although you are right, they were not outright champions of UIC those two years, there was actually none. They were regional competitions and each Atlético and Deportivo each became the champions for their respective regions, earning this way each a spot in the UEFA Championship. Later, based on averages, an "titular" champions was calculated. Yet, from 2006 to 2008, those 3 years, there were 11 Regional UIC champions each, Atlético and Deportivo being two of the 33 Regional champions. Thanks for your regard on this matter.-- Coquidragon ( talk) 04:37, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
This article has a history of being tampered by several fan sections. So it was decided years ago, that any new content has to be first fully agreed upon talk and then put in the article. If there are new sections to be made, please state what and why here: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:240:FE3D:4:D071:9CBB:6752:EA8E ( talk) 22:47, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
I cannot edit the article. what's going on? Կարեն Վարդանյան ( talk) 22:29, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
I do not know how to do it. The games of the day had been finished and I want to change data. Կարեն Վարդանյան ( talk) 22:48, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
This is the second round impossible to edit. Do something, please!!! Կարեն Վարդանյան ( talk) 22:33, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
Ok, this has been discussed a million times before and the consensus was not to put ICFC in the Spanish club records and trophy tally. I have reopened this topic with this new section explaining WHY ICFC is neither official nor can be kept in the trophy count list.
1) First and foremost being, ICFC was NOT organized by neither UEFA NOR FIFA. It was solely created by non UEFA/FIFA representatives, (in general words: civil society) for the mere purpose of promoting trade fairs. This single reference is good enough to explain what ICFC reaaly was: http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/history/index.html It is crystal clear written that some guys created this tournament for representative sides from European cities that regularly held trade fairs. (examples are London XI, Basel XI, Lausanne etc which are not even a UEFA or FIFA affiliate club). For second ICFC fairs friendly tournament, teams still had to come from cities staging trade fairs. This means this is NOT an open to all tournament (to more than 95% of clubs here and of RFEF Spanish clubs, they never participated in this friendly trade city football)
2) UEFA cup is a completely different thing, and if you go to the section called UEFA cup in the article, it mentions why UEFA is an official title as it was no longer related to trade fairs cities. So, ICFC was a tournament held before UEFA cup but has absolutely NO official relations with ICFC. ICFC is not an official compeition. Again, neither organized by UEFA nor by FIFA.
3) This article has been vandalized by pro-barca fans and clearly to skew the clubs trophy count as it has won this friendly compeition more. This is not a valid reason to keep ICFC(not organized by RFEF, UEFA or FIFA) in the trophy tally which includes official open-to-all club compeitions organized by those three bodies. Please do not vandalize until we reach consensus (again!). SupernovaeIA ( talk) 18:31, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
I cannot edit again. Կարեն Վարդանյան ( talk) 09:34, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
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The user is removing ronaldo's records based on his own personal view. He is stricly and clearly biased against any real madrid player or record. This website clearly says who had how many appearances and ultimately how many seasons to reach 100 goals: http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/es/Actualidad_Primer_Equipo/1330091624401/noticia/Noticia/Cristiano_Ronaldo_es_el_jugador_que_antes_llega_a_los_100_goles_en_Liga_en_la_historia_del_Real_.htm The closest to ronaldo were langara and puskas both taking over 4 seasons. All of the ones below them have at least 115 appearances meaning more than 3 seasons . This is a fact. HasperHunter ( talk) 00:54, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. It is always good when consensus is reached. Thank you for you part in it.-- Coquidragon ( talk) 02:41, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
This is more an observation than a criticism- but the record for 'Most league opening goals in a season' seems a bit contrived/artificial to me- especially since they all appear to favour Cristiano Ronaldo. But then again- maybe there's nothing wrong with obscure facts like that being put up on these 'Lists of records' pages. Any thoughts? Uranium grenade ( talk) 03:21, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
I researched this subject and I found out that if this is a "record" like the user who initialized wrote. This record would belong to Messi not Ronaldo. He scored 11 opening goals during 2010-11 season and Ronaldo 10 in 2011-12 season. Which 8 of them were away opening goals, another "record" that does not belong to Ronaldo (5 away goals in 2011-12). Also, in my research I found out that the other "record" for home opening goals does not belong to Ronaldo neither. David Villa scored 6 home opening goals during 2008-09 season. Better than Ronaldo 5 home goals in the 2011-12 season. I hope that you put a stop to the user who is posting this false information. It seems like it is a Ronaldo fan who is doing this. Please, stop this. Thank you. 21:05, 24 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gomero12345 ( talk • contribs)
http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/en/05_Mayo_Actualidad_11-12/1330104661891/noticia/Noticia/Cristiano_Ronaldo_becomes_first_player_to_score_against_every_team_in_one_La_Liga_season_with_20.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by DBSSHASPER ( talk • contribs) 12:52, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
This is the reference for the record. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_association_football_club_records#Most_goals_in_a_season Gomero12345 ( talk) 11:51, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
If you are going to make your corrections base on that reason then none of the records should be there. Don't you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3pler24 ( talk • contribs) 04:56, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
This record is needed for people to see who is near Telmo Zarra. Very important informacion. This is the reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_records_in_Spain#Top_ten_goalscorers.2C_still_active_.28Primera_Divisi.C3.B3n_only.29 Gomero12345 ( talk) 11:51, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
This is a record in spain. Read the references before deleting something http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/2292/editorials/2012/03/18/2974491/messi-stars-in-barcelonas-win-at-sevilla-but-the-eyes-of-the#
Marca: http://www.marca.com/2012/03/17/futbol/equipos/barcelona/1332022246.html
Mundodeportivo: http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20120319/fc-barcelona/leo-messi-pichichi-total_54270786397.html
This is included in the source: "It was a goal that saw Leo break another record as he became the youngest player to score 150 La Liga goals at 24 years and 270 days old."
Gomero12345 ( talk) 11:51, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
You have to read better. There are youngest scoring records for every player. 3pler24 ( talk) 20:21, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
The individual subsection of the La Liga section should only and only include players goalscoring history in la liga, because its inside the main section la liga. every other record follows this, except one. Lionel messi's 73 goal record is written by a vandal and barca fan a few weeks ago. This should be removed immediately as no others players info is mentioned for goals scored in all european competitions. this section should only inlcude la ligas information — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.71.197.17 ( talk) 04:35, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
A user has been putting youth info on the team records without WP:Consensus and other frivolous records like individual not losing a game consecutive when these have never been put and its already on the team info. Since it breaks WP:Consensus, it is removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.244.48.66 ( talk) 02:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
A players with most consecutive wins in la Liga & Players with most consecutive games without losing in a league game its different from the team one , and you can see both of them are referenced,Its just similar to player with most consecutive scoring records ??
2nd : for team one ... its not youth stats !! its barca 1st team scorers,also similar to other records included there .
please dont remove anything unless there is a consensus about it
Adnan Talk 7,25 15 November 2012 (UTC)
About consecutive wins in la liga, its the team that wins it and that info abt barca is already in team's record. so its totally not acceptable to add info about player winning consecutive win in la liga, because a player does not win game but a team. Its not similar to player with conescutive scoring because, it is the player who scores so that can be put here. but it is NOT a player who wins, its the team. Please stop reverting as you are about to break WP:3RR and I will have no option than to warn you through and admin. Masterpasa ( talk) 02:28, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Hello , there is a consensus about that at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Football_Records_in_Spain_.
so you please stop reverting as you are breaking a consensus and unless a new consensus about it agreed you dont have the right to change it now . Still, the concept about the team winning the match not the player...its just a record ! like scoring ...and its a national record as the references say so i dont see your point .. and again since a previous consensus agreed you cant change it without discussion it there thank you Adnan Talk 1.9 , 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you all. Adnan Talk 17:18, 10 December 2012 (UTC).
Adnan 20:53, 12 December 2012 (UTC).
I've now protected this page following a request at RPP. Clearly this dispute is not resolved. Ged UK 12:27, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Currently this page is quite heavy loaded with entries, I propose we streamline it a bit. Particularly I propose reducing excessive entries to make way for more interesting ones, right now this page is to cumbersome, there are to many insignificant entries, particularly under individual records.
For example, we could move all entries regarding individual scoring records to a Spanish Football top Scorers page leaving only the 3-4 most significant ones, that way we could reduce the page a lot, leaving space for Cup entries and European records entries, the latter one still missing completely.
We could also create a page for Spanish football individual records and move all entries to that page only leaving the 3-4 most important ones. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.16.70.181 ( talk) 12:11, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
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messi has not 229 matches 192 goals he has 230 matches 194 goals 85.98.163.65 ( talk) 23:39, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Messi does not have 192 goals in 229 apps for La Liga. Now, he has a record of 195 goals in 231 apps. I would use his Wikipedia profile as a source. Instead, I'll take the Messi's ESPN stats profile as a more reliable source. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/45843/lionel-messi?cc=3888 — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndresSuescun ( talk • contribs) 09:28, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
there are number of records we aren't agreeing about so lets just discuss it here and after that we decide to remove or keep the record..please no one remove the record before discussing it... Thank you :
-Only Spanish team to score in all away games in a La Liga season , its the same record as Most games with three or more goals in a season?? so which one seems more picky trivia ?? it's a season long record and no other team in the history of la liga did it..so why remove it ? the record should be about something no one else could do it! and this case is clear about that ... adding its well sourced also !
--Only team in Spanish League to have won all away games in the first half of the season : It's a winning record for a set games of la liga !
-Most consecutive games scoring: you are saying other teams are holding the record...even the source is clear about who holds the record and you couldn't provide a source stating otherwise but still keep removing it
-Most consecutive away wins in one season : its not about only ongoing records,its a consecutive record for win in one season..like consecutive wins in one season ! but this one its about away wins
-fastest player to score 100 goals by number of seasons !?! there is one for number of games as all other records ...it's for sure a trivia because there is no other records in whole wikipedia like that ! all just put number of games ! which is clearly Ronaldo doesn't have It's not a record then we are gonna talk about who scored 150 goals in number of seasons then 200 in number of seasons or 50 in number of seasons and then we add who scored in number of minutes ! so lets keep it clear number of games Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:481B:B0B1:8EC1:4CB4 ( talk) 23:44, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Well then its the same about deleting whatever I'm adding until i discuss it here to add :) so it goes against WP:BOLD also . for sure . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:E048:8F5A:1A95:BEE3 ( talk) 05:05, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
for the Only Spanish team to score in all away games in a La Liga season:
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??? clear record ?? with a clear reference ?? so why keep removing it ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:E048:8F5A:1A95:BEE3 ( talk) 07:38, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
anyway I'm sure any fair person if he looks at what you are doing he can understand me !, like first team to score 100 3 times on row ?? really ?is that even a record ?? then the ronaldo record about scoring 100 by number of seasons ?? its a trivia at best ! not even a record . finally the heavy win record //?? isn't also a trivia !! and most important point ! : this guy has been removing all the records i added because he is saying the source from the related club website !! but look at those last two records !! he refused to measure them at the same way ! the same reason he is convinced about shouldn't apply for records he wants ! plus he doesn't really communicate here ! he just wants to remove whatever doesn't like ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:ACD7:6FE5:3DBA:365 ( talk) 15:51, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Instead of using individual sources from clubs, why not using http://www.bdfutbol.com/en/ for all statistical data, it is already used for several of the entries on this page and it looks much better (cleaner) and less cluttered in the source list when a common source is used.
http://www.bdfutbol.com/en/ is the best statistical online source regarding la liga, is is directly based of official records and dubblechecked against alternative sources for errors, such as match reports in newspapers and printed sources. You simply will not find a better source for la liga, not even the statistical work by Vicente Martínez Calatrava which is listed on this page can match bdfutbol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.25.47.85 ( talk) 16:16, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
so lets start agree about the records please ... we are in dispute about . we don't want to add just trivial stuff
Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:4DB1:5DCC:61DB:86CC ( talk) 23:25, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
-fastest player to score 100 goals by number of seasons...its a trivia & biased towards Ronaldo...isnt it?? there is no need for such a record..
-Most games with three or more goals in a season : its just a trivia , because if we are doin that , then next time most games with 4 or more goals in a season or two goalst etc... not needed also ?? what do you think ??
- Only Spanish team to score in all away games in a La Liga season: This record is a La Liga standard not like just who scores more... or making special circumstances for it what do you think ?
-Most consecutive away wins in one season : shouldnt we have something like that..? because most records belong to the season... ?
-Only team in Spanish League to have won all away games in the first half of the season : whats your opinion about that please... ?
any other records you think we need to discuss ?? any other ideas ?? lets agree about the records so we can start working in finding reliable sources for it
Thank you again — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:4DB1:5DCC:61DB:86CC ( talk) 23:53, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
So its up to us to decide ... the record about fastest 100 goals in number in seasons there is nothing at all like it in all records pages !! it's really just making a special rule for ronaldo to go in what do you think ? also he already agreed the put the record 100 goals in 3 seasons just to show he can be more biased , so we don't need to talk about that i guess from the records i added i agree about winning away should be ongoing record...because it seems as that in other record pages.. i didnt find something like biggest win more than 3 in a season also neither about winning all away games in half of the season so we don't need them both
so the only record i think we can add the only team to score in all away seasons because it seems fit that . and it's a season long record as all records seems in other pages. talk)
I agree with Walter. And i clearly dont see why we would agree to cite bdfutbol when it is well known catalonian fan based webpage. The only credible source seems to be ligabbva which is the official la liga website.49.244.146.211 (talk) 02:11, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
On the other hand, the page you mention does list unofficial data for its top scorer list. In fact, it uses Marcas Pichichi list which is based of Marcas editors subjective criteria for who scored. The Pichichi list is not official, not recognized by LFP, and it is not used for the EMS european top scorer award. If you want to use an official web page, then the ONLY official online source is LFP.es. LFP it the orginizing body of the competition, they are the only ones that hold official data. ligabbva is the sponsor of the competition but they are not the ones that organize it, that page is completely worthless for compiling records because they don't use official records but instead personal and subjective records for their list, Top Scorers, Assist, Goalkeepers etc. 88.25.47.85 ( talk) 13:35, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
Mr.Walter Görlitz If YOU think all the records are crap !! it doesn't make it crap ! because as what wikipedia says Editors usually reach consensus as a natural product of editing. After someone makes a change or addition to a page, others who read it can choose either to leave the page as it is or to change it. When editors do not reach agreement by editing, discussion on the associated talk pages continues the process toward consensus. which we are doing here ! you are saying its not voting ?? but you voted they are crap ?? so they are crap ? how can we reach consensus then ??
finally how about you bring us what records already existed at the current page and tell us which you think aren't up to the standard ? because all of what left they are good just need to fix the source for them and bring a better source !! i mean look at the premier league record page ! they have even much more records don't exist here as longest goal distance and stuff like that. so other than these record we have here in dispute we need to find better sources only !
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cristiano ronaldo now has 40 goals and is tied to ference puskas for this season. Please add this entry. Also since it is an active streak, the name should be bold. 49.244.170.224 ( talk) 05:27, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
In this section you can list any entry you do not agree with and we will sort it out, IE I don't agree with X entry because whatever is your argument. 88.25.47.85 ( talk) 12:40, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
2602:306:3878:81E0:8829:BAB5:477:A344 ( talk) 16:10, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
I think the following passage has to be revisited regarding the games, because in one case (most away games scored in) there are the actual games listed and in the other cases there are listed the games for the whole seasons, I guess this should be sorted out, one way or the other. THX in advance: Most league home goals in a season (38 games): 35, Lionel Messi (2011–12) Most league home matches scored in a season (38 games): 16, Lionel Messi (2011-12) Most league away goals in a season (38 games): 23, Cristiano Ronaldo (2011–12) Most league away matches scored in a season (19 games): 14, Daniel Güiza (2007-08) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.26.8 ( talk) 23:26, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
however the IP 49.244.84.20 made good point about youngest player to score 100 goals...it seems excessive and not needed . so what do you think remove them ?? I mean its fine to leave the youngest player to score one goal but for ever 50 goals ?? its too much :) 2602:306:3878:81E0:8829:BAB5:477:A344 ( talk) 10:26, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
My intend was to equal the standards for the amount of games. They all should have the same basis. That´s why I highlighted the games. In the case of Guizas record you refered to the actual amount of home games with 19, in the other cases you used the total amount of games in a season with 38. In my opinion you should refer to either one. I would prefer the actual games played and that would be 19 in all of those cases I wrote down. I meant anything but to remove those records. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.26.8 ( talk) 16:15, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
which is basically so far..to remove the youngest player to score 100 goals ? plus just actual games of 38 ?? and no record to add to the individual section for the ones already existed ?? also we need to find better reliable sources for them . Finally... about the team records ...it seems a mess ...I think many of these articles should be figured out properly and many other to remove...as example the section about Most effective team in a La Liga season at least 3 goals per game it seems not needed? what do you think... ??
2602:306:3878:81E0:FC0A:5A0D:FA15:29EF ( talk) 04:01, 26 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:84BD:E893:3AC4:50B5 ( talk)
If I was to opine, I would say remove all those personal records. None of the other league articles have records like most away, most consecutive etc etc etc. This will just create a quarrel between RM and Barca or Messi and Ronaldo fans and vice versa. 49.244.162.228 ( talk) 07:44, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes, but the other leagues don´t have Messi (Cristiano soon will be for forgotten, once he retires). By the way the "most consecutive goals scored in" section needs an update, he is already at 15. And I´m not sure, but shouldn´t he scored against every opposition by know. Sorry haven´t looked it up, but if he scored against 15 in a row in a league with 19 opponents that is likely to be, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.26.8 ( talk) 12:47, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
2602:306:3878:81E0:8829:BAB5:477:A344 ( talk) 15:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:E14D:F730:3FE7:E01C ( talk)
I´m absolut aware of what the number of games mean, but thanks for clarification anyway, but my point was the following one: In the section, wich I pasted a bit further up, regarding most away goals etc., there is once the actual number of away games (Guizas record) with 19 while all the other records refer to 38 games. I didn´t mean the actual games played by a certain player, but you should stick to one logic. It´s either the whole season (38 games) or the actual games (19) wich is of course the number you get when dividing 38 through 2. For me personally, it makes more sense to write down 19 in any of those cases, but anyway they should follow the same logic; either whole season or actual home/away games. Thanks for your work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.26.8 ( talk) 15:35, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Ok looked it up. Messi has only scored against 18 teams so far this season, he has to score against Celta de Vigo in about 3 Weeks time to complete sharing the record for "most teams scored against in one season" with the both Ronaldos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.26.8 ( talk) 15:51, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League_records_and_statistics they have the same kind of records about away goals , home goals etc... so what do you all think ? probably removing the fastest and youngest x goals should be removed because its not really important agree ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:84BD:E893:3AC4:50B5 ( talk) 17:56, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Never said it was, sorry mate. If you refering to the "...don´t have Messi..." line, that wasn´t too serious, thought you would get it, but I know, these kind of little jokes never work on the internet, sorry for misguiding, Anyway the page still isn´t up to date regarding Messi´s run of consecutive games scored in and obviously no descision has been made for the number of games or does it just stay in the current form? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.26.8 ( talk) 22:07, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
I say remove it ! you all ?
I say keep them. Let those others league pages follow. Sooner or later they will. Why take steps back, it´s completly against the spirit of Wikipedia. For me, it´s very understandable how these records are structured. If they are accurate and confirmed, they should stay. Who are we to decide, which part of this page is interesting for whomever with whatever reasons? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.26.8 ( talk) 19:09, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
""" Ok..So most of us are saying remove them...or think they are not needed records...(even if its not a matter of voting ) ... Do we move on and just remove them...?? what is next ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:68D4:96B9:34FF:D41E ( talk) 18:48, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
So the following records are present on the Football_records_in_England page, do we agree with keeping these and removing the rest (they can always be moved to the individual players page)
Any additions? I propose also keeping Most clean sheets as I think it is a significant record. 88.3.145.47 ( talk) 11:43, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
check it here ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:1587:C2E1:A335:C0AE ( talk) 20:38, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Individual :
So my removed Records from the current existed one in this page :
--Also at Most goals in a La Liga season (at least 100 goals) :
remove : First team to score at least X goals in a season
we already have the list of teams scored more than 100 goals which is good so we X goals thing is excessive .
-- the same for Most goals in a season – all competitions (at least 140 goals)
only leave the list and remove all the rest .. stuff suggested to be removed :
It should be noted though that a number of teams managed to score over 100 goals in a season during the 1930s when the national league and cup were played alongside the regional leagues. Most prolific among those was the Athletic Bilbao team of the early 1930s scoring 126 goals in 1929-30, 137 in 1930-31, 127 in 1931-32, 127 in 1932-33 and 115 in 1933-34, others include Real Oviedo scoring 114 in 1933-34 and 110 in 1935-36.
-- the list Most effective team in a La Liga season (at least 3 goals per game) I suggest its not needed...
final thing.. at Cup section then Individual
Remove :
that is my list... any consensus so we can move on and working into finding the sources !! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3878:81E0:3CB0:CB6E:6CB:E072 ( talk) 21:12, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
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The last updated information about Most league away matches scored in a season (38 games): 15, Lionel Messi (2012–13) is updated wrongly...Messi doesnt hold the record...Barca already just played 28 games (14 home + 14 away ) only ! http://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/first-team/calendar and messi scored in 13 games of them since he didn't score in away match to Seville ...So the last record by Guiza still stand by 14 . 2602:306:3878:81E0:85CF:6250:B208:ED78 ( talk) 15:12, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
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Update required on the Most goals in a season — all competitions (at least 40 goals) in the subsection individual records. Messi's 2012-13 has 57 goals but the apperances in 47 now. please change it from 45 to 47 and the ratio too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.244.27.109 ( talk) 07:59, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Messi's consecutive goals run hasn't ended just yet, because he didn't participate in the games of Barcelona from matchday 30 to 32 due to injury, logically he wasn't able to score. At his return for Barca he scored (matchday 33 in Bilbao), so he should stand at 20 cons. games in total and 13 at the away games. Thanks.
Don't know, if anyone is reading this, but here's a source that sees it the way I do, so maybe somebody would change it, if agreed. Thanks, again. Messi's streak at 20
Thanks for adjusting. But there is still the matchday wich needs fixing. Sorry, if I am to demaning. Regarding Forlan, there has been a change of the numbers on his Wiki-page, but the new ones still add up to 133, so he also should be included on the list. Like always, thanks in advance
One more update to "Most consecutive league matches scored in". Messi scored two goals on matchday 34 against Real Betis, so "Most consecutive league matches scored in" should be changed to 21 for him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.210.147.223 ( talk) 21:32, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
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The source given above is wrong (or to be more precise - a journalist was wrong) !! This streak is not for Messi`s league matches that he scored in but for consecutive matches (without any break) that Messi (or any other player) was able to score in. It`s visible in paper version of Guia Marca de la Liga (and I believe pretty soon will be updated in
http://www.rsssf.com/players/scoringstreaks.html) Messi`s streak has ended when he didn`t come on the pitch. It cannot be otherwise because there`s no data available for players in past 80 years who had similar breaks in such streaks (e.g injuries).
Would You also consider a streak for the hypothetical player who would move from Spain to another league and came back after a season or two ? If he would be scoring again his streak wouldn`t be ended also ? ;)
Changed back to previous stats.....
Another request: Shouldn't Diego Forlán be included on the 30 highest goalscorer list, because on my count he has scored 155 goals in spain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.44.247 ( talk) 16:54, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Alright, then the stats on his Wiki-page are still wrong:
2004–2007 Villarreal 106 (59) 2007–2011 Atlético Madrid 134 (74)
The page was previously changed from (96) to (74), so I changed the request from 155 to 133. But regarding to your 128 goals it has to be changed once more.
By the way: The total goals for teams has to be changed as well, because Barcelona has reached 105 in scored goals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.44.247 ( talk) 20:11, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
The user SupernovaeIAlkeep removing The biggest points difference between the first- and second-placed team at the end of the season , saying it's not needed even though its just the same as any other info included there about points .... If any of you guys agree with him just mention it so we remove it ! otherwise we are going to leave it
Thank you
Adnan_n2 ( talk) 03:13, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
http://www.totalbarca.com/2013/statistics/22nd-la-liga-in-numbers/ [User:Adnan_n2|Adnan_n2]] ( talk) 20:20, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Anyone oppose to change the formatting to bold as is used on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_records_in_England, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_records_in_France, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_records_in_Germany, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_records_in_Scotland, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_records_in_Sweden ? I think it is easier to distinguish individual records when they are displayed in bold font.
And also should we ad the spanish super cup records in the way FA Charity / Community Shield records are displayed on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_records_in_England page ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.27.194.86 ( talk) 10:21, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
This has been talked before: Talk:Football_records_in_Spain/Archive_2#Youngest_player_to_score_150_league_goals. Last time the argument in favor to remove these records were "This is not a Leo messi fan page." As seen in earlier discussion, both "youngest to score 150" and "200" were in the media [3] [4]. Also, EPL youngest to score 150 was in news: [5]. If you want to remove these stats, please give better reason. Kahkonen ( talk) 21:07, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
We're back to meaningless "records" and they don't have references. I'm also seeing that people are updating totals without references. This has got to stop. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 02:53, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
And the restoration of material as "vandalism" has begun again. A discussion would sure be nice and name calling and mischaracterization should be avoided. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 00:59, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
How is the trophy table not sourced? It is. So are the vast majority of the records mentioned. 99% of the data is from the Spanish Wikipedia version which uses Spanish sources and they cannot be used on the English version of Wikipedia if I am not mistaken.
Deleting all of the very useful material that has been updated regularly is wrong IMHO.
-- Suitcivil133 ( talk) 01:17, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Since some editors don't seem to get it and have been edit warring, I will suggest a different approach, I will mark the material as requiring references and do so in this manner:
Dubious material that has a reference somewhere, but not here. citation needed.
I plan to do this within two days unless references appear before that. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 16:36, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Let's debate here what are valid sources because since the data on this page is constantly being updated, there are no static data sources that are useful. Since this page has a source problem and no one here can agree on what are valid sources, the editors of this page can propose their own solution here. My proposition is that LFP.es is approved as a valid source, it contains the only official data on la liga and has in its database every result of every match ever played in la liga including full match data going back to the very first round played on the 10th of February 1929, it is also constantly updated to the latest match played. If LFP.es is approved, it can be used as a source for pretty much every statistic displayed on this page regarding wins, draws, losses, goals, games played, on both team and individual level, at least it contain all that data. Printed news media in Spain is extremely unreliable, they get everything wrong all the time, they can't even get the numbers for Ronaldo and Messi right even though they write about them every single day. I'd say, AS, Marca, MD, Sport, El País, El Mundo, or any other Spanish news media should not be used as a source, they are always full of errors. 88.9.45.26 ( talk) 16:42, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
[6] May 1, 2014 by 85.221.166.252
I don't understand this section. It only contains Madrid and Barcelona players and there is no clue how do you read 'all cometitions'. Is it all cups, all lower leagues while paying in Spain? Is it all club goals while playing in la liga? Why there is no Guillermo Gorostiza if he scored 290. Or Villa who scored 300 in Spain. -- SojerPL ( talk) 07:00, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
It would be nice to have all-time leaders in assists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.139.94.140 ( talk) 15:23, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
The user "Imperial HRH2" is removing the last (the one won during the 1952-1953 season) of the 3 Copa Eva Duarte trophies that FC Barcelona has won in total on the FC Barcelona page, this page and the Football records in Spain Wikipedia page.
/info/en/?search=Football_records_in_Spain
He is using the official webpage of FC Barcelona (the English version) as a source here but that webpage has no authority when it comes to official trophies won. It's the Spanish Football Federation (RFEF) that decides who won which trophy and when as they are the founders of those tournaments in place. In this case the Copa Eva Duarte trophy. In other words they are the highest authority.
The Spanish and Catalan Wikipedia versions of the Copa Eva Duarte trophy agree with that opinion and so do the Spanish and Catalan versions of the FC Barcelona page here on Wikipedia.
Most importantly RFEF itself recognizes it on their official webpage which must be regarded as a bigger authority on this matter than FC Barcelona's English webpage. To me it seems that they have just forgot to include the last Copa Eva Duarte triumph. If somebody contacts them to make them aware of this omission they would probably correct it the day after. Yet he bases it solely on what the FC Barcelona webpage says on their "trophy honors" list.
Here is the link to the official RFEF website.
http://www.rfef.es/noticias/supercopa/conoce-antecedentes-supercopa
In fact every source that I could find says that the Copa Eva Duarte was abolished in 1953 and that FC Barcelona won it in 1953 as they won the double that season (La Liga and Copa del Rey) just like they did the previous season where they were also awarded the Copa Eva Duarte trophy.
Please take a look at those 3 pages that I have linked to and give your opinion of this current dispute if you have the time.
Regards,
-- Suitcivil133 ( talk) 17:43, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
No opinion is required. This matter was solved months ago. No where in your rfef reference it says that copa argentina or any other preceding cups are considered official. Period! Stop reverting. SupernovaeIA ( talk) 18:07, 20 December 2014 (UTC) This is the official source for Barcelona's cups.. its own official website! http://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/detail/card/honours-football SupernovaeIA ( talk) 18:23, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
You are no authority on that. Let's get that straight first. Besides you are obviously a sockpuppet which is illegal on Wikipedia. Otherwise explain to me why 3 "different" Wikipedia users are discussing this with me on my talk page and why they all use the same ridiculous "argument" and all have reappeared in the past 2-3 days.
This discussion has not been discussed anywhere. At least not on this talk page which is where disputes are supposed to be discussed and solved!
FCB won the CED on 3 occasions (1948, 1952 and 1953). Those triumphs have nothing to do with the Copa de Oro Argentina which was only held for one season (1945). Please don't spread more nonsense then necessary!
The conclusion is that you did obviously not read my message. My references/sources are not Wikipedia. I just merely stated that the Spanish and Catalan versions on this regard agree with my view and present sources for that view.
My primary reference is the RFEF which is the Spanish Football Federation and the football organization that organized the Copa Eva Duarte trophy.
http://www.rfef.es/noticias/supercopa/conoce-antecedentes-supercopa
Let me quote that article;
"Con la Supercopa de España nacida en el 82, la RFEF recuperaba el precedente oficial inmediato conocido como la Copa Eva Duarte que no se disputaba desde el 53."
"La temporada 1952/1953 fue la última en la que se disputó esta competición como consecuencia del fallecimiento de Eva Duarte de Perón."
The Copa Eva Duarte became a official trophy organized by RFEF in 1947. In 1948 FCB won their first Copa Eva Duarte trophy defeating Sevilla in the final. In the 1951-1952 season FC Barcelona won the domestic double (La Liga trophy and Copa del Rey trophy) which meant that they were handed the trophy. They repeated the same the season after (1952-1953) where they won the domestic double and were awarded the Copa Eva Duarte trophy. This was the last edition of the Copa Eva Duarte. In 1982 the RFEF founded the current Spanish Super Cup.
Read the link I provided from the official webpage of RFEF and if you do not understand Spanish make a senior Spanish moderator or admin confirm what I have written.
Moreover I provided this page as well which also confirms that FCB won the Copa Eva Duarte trophy in the 1952-1953 for the reasons that I explained.
http://www.rsssf.com/tabless/spansupcuphist.html
FC Barcelona's English webpage obviously forgot the last trophy won by the club. If somebody contacted them and told them that they forgot the CDE won during the 1952-1953 season they would have corrected it. Why? Because the RFEF already recognizes them as winners during that season and every other source that I can find.
-- Suitcivil133 ( talk) 20:23, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Someone please solve this. Barcelona's official page disagrees [1]. And on your link from RFEF, it simply says that the last one was held in 53, thats all. Imperial HRH2 ( talk) 22:22, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Another issue, should this even be considered an official trophy? I cannot find "official" in any sources and FIFA [2] doesn't recognise it as a major honour, neither does another source. [3] Should this just be removed from both the FC Barcelona and Real Madrid trophy count to prevent pro Barca vandals and other from switching the count from 2 to 3 and vice versa? Imperial HRH2 ( talk) 07:58, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
So, based on the discussion from FCB's talk page, can we go ahead and add Eva Duarte back to the list?-- Coquidragon ( talk) 18:32, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
You could, be our guest. But this is not a semi-protected page and I'm pretty sure you are going to be involved in a few edit wars. Good luck.
P.S. - Just add the two for now, so its 80 trophies each and thus reflects the Barcelona and Real Madrid page (until we figure out the last Eva Duarte). Imperial HRH2 ( talk) 18:47, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
This is the exchange that I had with Dantetheperuvian ( talk) about the UIC record.-- Coquidragon ( talk) 00:33, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Greetings, I saw the two changes you did for Atlético and Deportivo for 2007 and 2008 respectively. Although you are right, they were not outright champions of UIC those two years, there was actually none. They were regional competitions and each Atlético and Deportivo each became the champions for their respective regions, earning this way each a spot in the UEFA Championship. Later, based on averages, an "titular" champions was calculated. Yet, from 2006 to 2008, those 3 years, there were 11 Regional UIC champions each, Atlético and Deportivo being two of the 33 Regional champions. Thanks for your regard on this matter.-- Coquidragon ( talk) 04:37, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
This article has a history of being tampered by several fan sections. So it was decided years ago, that any new content has to be first fully agreed upon talk and then put in the article. If there are new sections to be made, please state what and why here: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:240:FE3D:4:D071:9CBB:6752:EA8E ( talk) 22:47, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
I cannot edit the article. what's going on? Կարեն Վարդանյան ( talk) 22:29, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
I do not know how to do it. The games of the day had been finished and I want to change data. Կարեն Վարդանյան ( talk) 22:48, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
This is the second round impossible to edit. Do something, please!!! Կարեն Վարդանյան ( talk) 22:33, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
Ok, this has been discussed a million times before and the consensus was not to put ICFC in the Spanish club records and trophy tally. I have reopened this topic with this new section explaining WHY ICFC is neither official nor can be kept in the trophy count list.
1) First and foremost being, ICFC was NOT organized by neither UEFA NOR FIFA. It was solely created by non UEFA/FIFA representatives, (in general words: civil society) for the mere purpose of promoting trade fairs. This single reference is good enough to explain what ICFC reaaly was: http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/history/index.html It is crystal clear written that some guys created this tournament for representative sides from European cities that regularly held trade fairs. (examples are London XI, Basel XI, Lausanne etc which are not even a UEFA or FIFA affiliate club). For second ICFC fairs friendly tournament, teams still had to come from cities staging trade fairs. This means this is NOT an open to all tournament (to more than 95% of clubs here and of RFEF Spanish clubs, they never participated in this friendly trade city football)
2) UEFA cup is a completely different thing, and if you go to the section called UEFA cup in the article, it mentions why UEFA is an official title as it was no longer related to trade fairs cities. So, ICFC was a tournament held before UEFA cup but has absolutely NO official relations with ICFC. ICFC is not an official compeition. Again, neither organized by UEFA nor by FIFA.
3) This article has been vandalized by pro-barca fans and clearly to skew the clubs trophy count as it has won this friendly compeition more. This is not a valid reason to keep ICFC(not organized by RFEF, UEFA or FIFA) in the trophy tally which includes official open-to-all club compeitions organized by those three bodies. Please do not vandalize until we reach consensus (again!). SupernovaeIA ( talk) 18:31, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
I cannot edit again. Կարեն Վարդանյան ( talk) 09:34, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
You protected it, now keep it up to date, will ya. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.94.42.98 ( talk) 12:45, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
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