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So what was the flag before 1999 then? Thanks. PizzaMargherita 10:17, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
hi i am martina thank you for letting me use this information for my project i have put your website address so more people can visit this site many thanks martina (Moved from main article). NawlinWiki 11:20, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I have a ww2 flag from the battle of Okinawa. It is red base with a white rising sun thick fabric. I have yet to see another like it. Does anyone have info on it? August 7, 2006
Perhaps,but the quality seems better than something homeade. I thought that maybe the white on red (rather than the opposite) may have been designated for a certain division of the military. 0955 hrs. August 19, 2006
I have added an 'be careful' note under the Military session.
Do not delete the note since some designers often misuse the flag or use the flag as a base of design and got their products banned in China and Korea.
The note is not judging the rightfulness of the 'offensive feeling' or the banning. It's pure NPOV and informational.
I live in Taiwan. I personally don't find that flag offensive but some of us do. timdream 16:12, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Is it true that the current national flag of Japan is somehow or in some way influenced by the battle flag of the Tokugawa clan during the Battle of Sekigahara? Just curious to know... --Shenshuai (not logged).
For now, the first adopted date is described as 27 Jan 1870 in the article. It is wrong. 27 Feb 1870 is correct because that "27 Jan Meiji 3" is date of the luner calender. In Japan, the Solar calender started on Meiji 4 (1871). This point in JAWP has already been corrected. -- 125.0.91.246 12:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
This article has no mention of the numerous legal cases regarding teachers who refused to sing the anthem or fly the flag etc. this is a major ellision of information. Ling.Nut 12:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I think I and Zscout370 have different priorities in mind. To be honest, I have zero interest in whether this article has GA status or not. All I care is to expand the article (in particular in terms of breath). On the other hand, I can tell he cares a lot about the status. I really don't think this rather philosophical conflict can be reconciled. Thoughts? -- Taku ( talk) 09:13, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Do we think we can include a list of days the flag is requested to be flown? I am not sure if the list at this government file corresponds with what I have on a flag I was mailed from Tokyo-Prefecture. The first two Kanji are hard to read, but from what I can tell, it is the Emperor's Birthday and Labor Thanksgiving. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:37, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
I agree that it would be nice if we can just tell "here are some holidays that the flag is flown". The problem is it's not that simplistic, as far as I know. I tried to add this (the use of flag) to the article, basically by translating stuff in the corresponding Japan article, but couldn't find sources online. (We need to be careful with FUTON bias; for example, the ja article says that there was a flag-burning incident in 1971 in uk, but couldn't find any news story on it.). I think there are some other incidents of flag burning. Also, we should expand on the references to the flag in literature such as movies. Things of this sort should add much more depth to the article than simply the list of days. (Of course, it's very time-consuming work, though) -- Taku ( talk) 06:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Right. It's no-brainer, but the article should mention the protesters burn hinomaru on occasions; the 1987 one in the article is probably the best known in Japan. (I just can't find much reference to it, maybe because of the age.) By cultural impact, I meant, the hinomaru has the important symbolic meaning, i.e., rising sun, as the article notes, and this point in the article can be expanded, as the corresponding ja article has some on this. So, you know, I (or we) have good ideas for the expansion of the article. I, for one, just don't have time. Finding sources just takes so much time. -- Taku ( talk) 11:54, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Oh, about the protocol section. Not only it is too detailed, I find it not much relevant, either, because I don't think many Japanese people know it, and so it feels so arcane. Maybe it's written in some law or ordinals and so is official, but if it's not practiced actually, then well it doesn't belong to the article. -- Taku ( talk) 12:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
These three sentences are not clear:
The Hinomaru was legally the national flag from 1870 until 1885.[6] After the Meiji Restoration, the use of the Daimyo flags were discontinued and the flags of the modern Japanese state were used.[7] The Hinomaru was the de facto national flag, although there was no law to that effect.[8]
When did the Hinomaru become the legal flag? Should "flags of the modern Japanese state" read flag?
Also, I question whether the use of the Z signal flag is really relevant here.
Hope this helps. Awien ( talk) 12:27, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
The reference to the e-flag ensign strikes me as being a bit off-topic here given that it was never the national flag. Awien ( talk) 00:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone please clarify the following:
People who don't know the history of Japan well - like myself - are confused by this. Is it supposed to be "former colonies of Japan and of Okinawa" or "former colonies of Japan and in Okinawa"?
Also, who was that supermarket owner? Japanese? Okinawan? Did he protest against Japan or the USA? The "national athletic competition" - of what nation?
Thanks in advance for clarification. -- Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 11:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I can see the flag of Bangladesh looks like the Japanese flag. Was it influenced by the design or are we just making it up (original research). Is there a citation? A 3rd possibility is that the designer was influenced by it but even that should be documented, if possible. It may not be possible. Suomi Finland 2009 ( talk) 20:36, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I would like to begin a discussion about removing the section on related flags:subnational. The other related flags look like the flag of Japan. The subnational flags are not related. That would be similar to having a provincial flag section on the flag of Canada article. Suomi Finland 2009 ( talk) 16:09, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Hello. I've taken on the task of copyediting this article. There are two concerns I have in the section "Before 1990":
1. "The sun, however, has historically had a religious connotation in Japan, and the rising sun has important symbolic meaning."
This article doesn't describe what this meaning is. There are examples that follow this text, but they don't illustrate the sun's meaning. Rather, they list that the sun has been used in stories and texts. If there is meaning in these examples specifically relating to the sun, perhaps the common theme can be found and identified in the paragraph.
2. "…the mon of the Daimyo."
From what I have gained in the mon article, these people were either aristocrats or commoners, but that is not yet clear in this article. "Artistocratic mon" or "common mon" would suffice to fix this.
Thank you for addressing these concerns. mheart ( talk) 18:54, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
This article is about the flag of Japan, so I think 'how non-Japanese flags were treated / regarded' is not necessarily notable; to me the two quoted below sound not. -- Dumpty-Humpty ( talk) 14:19, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
“ | Japanese propaganda film in 1934 portrayed the European and American flags as incomplete or defective with their designs, while the Japan flag is perfect in all forms. | ” |
It's dubious whether this film can represent 'how the flag was used during this period' as a whole. Maybe a large number of similar films were commonly played, but emphasizing supremacy of the national song, flag or so is one of usual tricks to enhance national prestige, not unique to Japan. -- Dumpty-Humpty ( talk) 14:19, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
“ | European flags were removed and local flags were allowed for some areas such as the Philippines, Indonesia and Manchukuo. | ” |
"European" is too ambiguous. One reason why non-Asian flags had been used there is that some Southeast Asian countries had been under control of U.K., France or U.S.A. It's not surprising that flags of these suzerains were removed and replaced by the flag of Japan, because Japanese Army occupied the countries and these suzerains were then Japan's enemies. -- Dumpty-Humpty ( talk) 14:19, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
"Additionally, the ministry's commentary on the 1999 curriculum guideline for elementary schools note that 'given the advance of internalization, along with fostering patriotism and awareness of being Japanese, it is important to nurture school children's respectful attitude toward the flag of Japan and Kimigayo as they grow up to be respected Japanese citizens in an internationalized society.'"
Should this be "given the advance of internationalization" rather than "internalization"? mheart ( talk) 19:09, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
I was asked to look into the slow page-load times for this article. Switching from {{ cite book}} etc. (in this version) to {{ vcite book}} (in this updated version) decreased the average page-generation time from 12.73 seconds to 8.58 seconds, a 48% performance improvement. If there's consensus to switch to the faster vcite templates (which generate Vancouver system citations instead of the more-common APA-ish style), I suggest installing this change to switch from the old to the new version. Eubulides ( talk) 08:37, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
I think that is a bit odd to say. Did people get strangled with it or were people suffocated by it? I think it is a propaganda tool but to say it is a weapon is ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.106.145.194 ( talk) 14:55, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
I believe this sentence in the introduction is unsourced: "For nations occupied by Japan, the flag is a symbol of aggression and imperialism." Undoubtedly there are some people in formerly occupied nations who think this way. Yet this sentence makes it seem that it is the majority view in those countries. I do not think this can be properly sourced. The majority view in those countries is probably rather ambivalent toward the Hinomaru. For example, do Chinese people today consider the Union Jack as a symbol of aggression and imperialism because of the Opium Wars? Watching the Beijing Olympics, I did not get this impression. This article belittles the ability of nations to let bygones be bygones with regard to national flags. It is quite shameful that this unsourced statement made it onto the Wikipedia main page today. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 06:30, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
It is sad that this article is so POV and anti-Japanese with regard to current foreign perceptions of the hinomaru. The statements in the Wikipedia article are grossly out of proportion to the sources that they reference. Read http://www.jpri.org/publications/workingpapers/wp79.html, and you will see that there are at best conflicting views in Asian nations. The main problem here is conflation of protests against the actions and policies of Japan with antipathy toward the flag per se. There is valid evidence of the former (Yasukuni, textbooks, etc), but scant evidence of the latter. As with all protests, the flag of a nation is used as a symbol of that nation. But the people do not hate the flag per se; they hate the country which it represents. Why doesn't the article on the US flag contain statements like "The Stars and Stripes was used as a tool against the Philippines for purposes of intimidation or subjugation", or "For Iranians and Venezuelans, the US flag is a symbol of aggression and imperialism." This article has an anti-Japanese double standard. The real issues that Asian nations are complaining about are the official prime minister visits to Yasukuni and the re-writing of textbooks to downplay Japanese aggression. The hinomaru in and of itself is nothing compared to these issues. When the hinomaru is burned today, it is because of issues like Yasukuni and textbooks, not because of the flag itself. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 04:43, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
The main problem is that the statements in the article are significantly stronger than the statements in the source material. The article says: "For some nations occupied by Japan, the flag is a symbol of aggression and imperialism. The Hinomaru was used as a tool against occupied nations for purposes of intimidation or subjugation. In the People's Republic of China and South Korea, both of which had been occupied by the Empire of Japan, the 1999 formal adoption of the Hinomaru was met with reactions of Japan moving towards the right and also a step towards remilitarization." The source material says: "Along with the enactment of new laws concerning U.S.-Japan defense cooperation, the U.S. plan to create a Theater Missile Defense, and the move to change the status of Yasukuni Shrine, China considers this legislation [the 1999 Law] to be a step toward Japan's remilitarization. Although in June 1999, a Chinese foreign ministry official said that the bill was a matter of Japan's internal affairs, another ministry spokesman noted opposition to the bill within Japan and hoped the issue would be solved in a manner that would contribute to Japan's peaceful development. South Korea is also wary of this legislation and the review of Yasukuni's status, and it deems the sum of these actions to constitute a serious move to the right." Where does the "tool of intimidation or subjugation" come from? Also, note that the protests from China and South Korea are not about the flag itself, or that Japan should change its flag. China and Korea are only commenting that, in the context of other issues (Yasukuni, the US-Japan alliance), the timing of making the de facto national flag the de jure national flag is objectionable. They are protesting the 1999 Law, not the flag itself. Neither China nor Korea is asking Japan to change its flag to something else. Honestly, I think this is such a minor and subtle point that it is hardly worth mentioning in the Wikipedia article. I think the sentences from the article that I quoted above should be deleted. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 05:19, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Let me add that I agree that the hinomaru has been controversial within Japan. For decades now, left-leaning public school teachers have come into conflict with the Ministry of Education regarding use of hinomaru and kimigayo at school functions. There is a domestic issue. China was in fact commenting more on this, than on their own feelings toward the flag. The truth of the matter is that the average Chinese or Korean person today has no particularly bad feelings against the hinomaru. They know it as the flag of Japan, and if you asked them whether they knew about any controversy regarding the flag, their reaction would be "I don't know." -- Westwind273 ( talk) 05:37, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
I have heard many times and seen that when the Hinomaru is displayed on a pole, the tip is not a spearhead or sharp point but rather a flattened brass bulb to indicate the nation's non-aggression towards others. If this is true, I think it should be included in the article. I don't have a citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.60.39.27 ( talk) 14:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
It has been discovered that this book:
Contains significant amounts of material plagiarized from Wikipedia articles. (Some other books from the same publisher also have this problem). There is no practical way of determining which material came from Wikipedia, and which came from other sources. Further, widespread plagiarism is an indication of poor scholarship. For those reasons, and according to Wikipedia policy, WP:CIRCULAR, I will deleting all citations to the book. However I will not delete the material that cites it, as there's no indication that the material is inaccurate. For more background, see WP:RSN#Circular references: Gyan Publishing and ISHA Books, or the archive after it goes there. Will Beback talk 22:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
...and if you look in the "Miscellaneous, etc." section you'll find "FLAG, NATIONAL, JAPAN" containing links to two relevant documents:
After the end of WWII, the Allies imposed a new flag of Japan -
, the Ryukyu Islands had a separate flag
. I'm not 100% sure how long these flags were in use for, but think it was 1945-48. No mention is made in the article about these flags.
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08:20, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
1. It would be useful if the "Variant flag of Japan" in the main infobox at top right of article also mentioned the name " Rising Sun Flag" and had a link to that article. (Based on the Rising Sun Flag article name, I'm assuming that "Rising Sun Flag" is the preferred name, but the lead text in this article calls it "Rising Sun Ensign". Ideally a consistent name should be used.)
2. I was aware that there is sensitivity surrounding the use of the "Rising Sun" flag (with the rays), but not the other flag (without the rays). I'm a bit confused whether the mentions of controversy in the lead section are referring to just the former or to both versions. I feel this should be clarified.
86.160.212.235 ( talk) 13:10, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
I find overall description to be somewhat obsolete. It reads as if it was written 20 years ago. Hinomaru is nowadayas not a big taboo in Japan as it used to be before , especially after football became popular in japan. I also do not agree that the flag is considered as a symbol of aggression and imperialism in former colonies with the exception of PR China and Korea. If there is no reliable source that the MAJOR people from other asian countries link Hinomaru to "aggression and imperialism", it should be explicitly written as "PR CHina and Korea". In general, it is unfair to put such statement only to Japanese flag, and not to the aricles of Frence, UK, Dutch, Spanish, and Portguese flags. -- 79.244.29.9 ( talk) 22:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
"Because of the association of the Hinomaru with uyoku dantai (right wing) activists, reactionary politics, or hooliganism, some homes and businesses do not fly the flag."
This makes it sound as if all homes and businesses would normally be expected to fly the flag. I don't see any reason for that expectation. In most countries, as far as I can think, most homes and businesses do not routinely fly the national flag, or necessarily even possess one. 86.128.3.108 ( talk) 02:59, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
This article and that on the Japanese Communist Party mention that the Communists oppose the use of the Hinomaru. Do they propose an alternative national flag? If so, I wonder if it should be mentioned here? Q·L· 1968 ☿ 18:29, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
a name — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.204.81.122 ( talk) 17:09, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Is the national flag of Japan the national flag in current use with the most percentage of its area being white? 122.213.236.124 ( talk) 11:16, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
日本で鉢巻をこの記事に書いてあるように使うことは第二次世界大戦以降ほとんどありません。 運動会にて小学生、中学生が赤色の鉢巻と白色の鉢巻をつかうことがありますが、それは旭日旗ではなく源平合戦という1180年頃の戦いをイメージしています。
日本の鉢巻の用途は他人と競う運動、受験に合格するための祈願、応援ぐらいですし、その状況でも鉢巻を使用することは滅多にありません。
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Hachimaki in Japan have rarely been used as described in this article since World War II.
At athletic events, elementary and junior high school students sometimes use red and white Hachimaki, which is not a symbol of the Rising Sun, but of the battle of Genpei, which took place around 1180.
In Japan, the use of Hachimaki is limited to athletic competitions, prayers for success in entrance examinations, and cheering, and even in these situations, Hachimaki is rarely used.
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狐月狼陽 (
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04:08, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
The link given in the Mourning section for the mourning flag only has the Japanese Wikipedia Entry ( ja:弔旗), however in that article, there is an English version given which redirects to Black ribbon. Should the link in the article be changed from ja:弔旗 to Black ribbon for the English version of this article? Or should a different English translation be given to ja:弔旗 which is separate from Black ribbon as it appears that the two articles do contain slightly different content? 亞頭回不 ( talk) 19:03, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
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So what was the flag before 1999 then? Thanks. PizzaMargherita 10:17, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
hi i am martina thank you for letting me use this information for my project i have put your website address so more people can visit this site many thanks martina (Moved from main article). NawlinWiki 11:20, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I have a ww2 flag from the battle of Okinawa. It is red base with a white rising sun thick fabric. I have yet to see another like it. Does anyone have info on it? August 7, 2006
Perhaps,but the quality seems better than something homeade. I thought that maybe the white on red (rather than the opposite) may have been designated for a certain division of the military. 0955 hrs. August 19, 2006
I have added an 'be careful' note under the Military session.
Do not delete the note since some designers often misuse the flag or use the flag as a base of design and got their products banned in China and Korea.
The note is not judging the rightfulness of the 'offensive feeling' or the banning. It's pure NPOV and informational.
I live in Taiwan. I personally don't find that flag offensive but some of us do. timdream 16:12, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Is it true that the current national flag of Japan is somehow or in some way influenced by the battle flag of the Tokugawa clan during the Battle of Sekigahara? Just curious to know... --Shenshuai (not logged).
For now, the first adopted date is described as 27 Jan 1870 in the article. It is wrong. 27 Feb 1870 is correct because that "27 Jan Meiji 3" is date of the luner calender. In Japan, the Solar calender started on Meiji 4 (1871). This point in JAWP has already been corrected. -- 125.0.91.246 12:36, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
This article has no mention of the numerous legal cases regarding teachers who refused to sing the anthem or fly the flag etc. this is a major ellision of information. Ling.Nut 12:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
I think I and Zscout370 have different priorities in mind. To be honest, I have zero interest in whether this article has GA status or not. All I care is to expand the article (in particular in terms of breath). On the other hand, I can tell he cares a lot about the status. I really don't think this rather philosophical conflict can be reconciled. Thoughts? -- Taku ( talk) 09:13, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Do we think we can include a list of days the flag is requested to be flown? I am not sure if the list at this government file corresponds with what I have on a flag I was mailed from Tokyo-Prefecture. The first two Kanji are hard to read, but from what I can tell, it is the Emperor's Birthday and Labor Thanksgiving. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:37, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
I agree that it would be nice if we can just tell "here are some holidays that the flag is flown". The problem is it's not that simplistic, as far as I know. I tried to add this (the use of flag) to the article, basically by translating stuff in the corresponding Japan article, but couldn't find sources online. (We need to be careful with FUTON bias; for example, the ja article says that there was a flag-burning incident in 1971 in uk, but couldn't find any news story on it.). I think there are some other incidents of flag burning. Also, we should expand on the references to the flag in literature such as movies. Things of this sort should add much more depth to the article than simply the list of days. (Of course, it's very time-consuming work, though) -- Taku ( talk) 06:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Right. It's no-brainer, but the article should mention the protesters burn hinomaru on occasions; the 1987 one in the article is probably the best known in Japan. (I just can't find much reference to it, maybe because of the age.) By cultural impact, I meant, the hinomaru has the important symbolic meaning, i.e., rising sun, as the article notes, and this point in the article can be expanded, as the corresponding ja article has some on this. So, you know, I (or we) have good ideas for the expansion of the article. I, for one, just don't have time. Finding sources just takes so much time. -- Taku ( talk) 11:54, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Oh, about the protocol section. Not only it is too detailed, I find it not much relevant, either, because I don't think many Japanese people know it, and so it feels so arcane. Maybe it's written in some law or ordinals and so is official, but if it's not practiced actually, then well it doesn't belong to the article. -- Taku ( talk) 12:01, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
These three sentences are not clear:
The Hinomaru was legally the national flag from 1870 until 1885.[6] After the Meiji Restoration, the use of the Daimyo flags were discontinued and the flags of the modern Japanese state were used.[7] The Hinomaru was the de facto national flag, although there was no law to that effect.[8]
When did the Hinomaru become the legal flag? Should "flags of the modern Japanese state" read flag?
Also, I question whether the use of the Z signal flag is really relevant here.
Hope this helps. Awien ( talk) 12:27, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
The reference to the e-flag ensign strikes me as being a bit off-topic here given that it was never the national flag. Awien ( talk) 00:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone please clarify the following:
People who don't know the history of Japan well - like myself - are confused by this. Is it supposed to be "former colonies of Japan and of Okinawa" or "former colonies of Japan and in Okinawa"?
Also, who was that supermarket owner? Japanese? Okinawan? Did he protest against Japan or the USA? The "national athletic competition" - of what nation?
Thanks in advance for clarification. -- Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 11:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I can see the flag of Bangladesh looks like the Japanese flag. Was it influenced by the design or are we just making it up (original research). Is there a citation? A 3rd possibility is that the designer was influenced by it but even that should be documented, if possible. It may not be possible. Suomi Finland 2009 ( talk) 20:36, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I would like to begin a discussion about removing the section on related flags:subnational. The other related flags look like the flag of Japan. The subnational flags are not related. That would be similar to having a provincial flag section on the flag of Canada article. Suomi Finland 2009 ( talk) 16:09, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Hello. I've taken on the task of copyediting this article. There are two concerns I have in the section "Before 1990":
1. "The sun, however, has historically had a religious connotation in Japan, and the rising sun has important symbolic meaning."
This article doesn't describe what this meaning is. There are examples that follow this text, but they don't illustrate the sun's meaning. Rather, they list that the sun has been used in stories and texts. If there is meaning in these examples specifically relating to the sun, perhaps the common theme can be found and identified in the paragraph.
2. "…the mon of the Daimyo."
From what I have gained in the mon article, these people were either aristocrats or commoners, but that is not yet clear in this article. "Artistocratic mon" or "common mon" would suffice to fix this.
Thank you for addressing these concerns. mheart ( talk) 18:54, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
This article is about the flag of Japan, so I think 'how non-Japanese flags were treated / regarded' is not necessarily notable; to me the two quoted below sound not. -- Dumpty-Humpty ( talk) 14:19, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
“ | Japanese propaganda film in 1934 portrayed the European and American flags as incomplete or defective with their designs, while the Japan flag is perfect in all forms. | ” |
It's dubious whether this film can represent 'how the flag was used during this period' as a whole. Maybe a large number of similar films were commonly played, but emphasizing supremacy of the national song, flag or so is one of usual tricks to enhance national prestige, not unique to Japan. -- Dumpty-Humpty ( talk) 14:19, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
“ | European flags were removed and local flags were allowed for some areas such as the Philippines, Indonesia and Manchukuo. | ” |
"European" is too ambiguous. One reason why non-Asian flags had been used there is that some Southeast Asian countries had been under control of U.K., France or U.S.A. It's not surprising that flags of these suzerains were removed and replaced by the flag of Japan, because Japanese Army occupied the countries and these suzerains were then Japan's enemies. -- Dumpty-Humpty ( talk) 14:19, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
"Additionally, the ministry's commentary on the 1999 curriculum guideline for elementary schools note that 'given the advance of internalization, along with fostering patriotism and awareness of being Japanese, it is important to nurture school children's respectful attitude toward the flag of Japan and Kimigayo as they grow up to be respected Japanese citizens in an internationalized society.'"
Should this be "given the advance of internationalization" rather than "internalization"? mheart ( talk) 19:09, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
I was asked to look into the slow page-load times for this article. Switching from {{ cite book}} etc. (in this version) to {{ vcite book}} (in this updated version) decreased the average page-generation time from 12.73 seconds to 8.58 seconds, a 48% performance improvement. If there's consensus to switch to the faster vcite templates (which generate Vancouver system citations instead of the more-common APA-ish style), I suggest installing this change to switch from the old to the new version. Eubulides ( talk) 08:37, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
I think that is a bit odd to say. Did people get strangled with it or were people suffocated by it? I think it is a propaganda tool but to say it is a weapon is ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.106.145.194 ( talk) 14:55, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
I believe this sentence in the introduction is unsourced: "For nations occupied by Japan, the flag is a symbol of aggression and imperialism." Undoubtedly there are some people in formerly occupied nations who think this way. Yet this sentence makes it seem that it is the majority view in those countries. I do not think this can be properly sourced. The majority view in those countries is probably rather ambivalent toward the Hinomaru. For example, do Chinese people today consider the Union Jack as a symbol of aggression and imperialism because of the Opium Wars? Watching the Beijing Olympics, I did not get this impression. This article belittles the ability of nations to let bygones be bygones with regard to national flags. It is quite shameful that this unsourced statement made it onto the Wikipedia main page today. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 06:30, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
It is sad that this article is so POV and anti-Japanese with regard to current foreign perceptions of the hinomaru. The statements in the Wikipedia article are grossly out of proportion to the sources that they reference. Read http://www.jpri.org/publications/workingpapers/wp79.html, and you will see that there are at best conflicting views in Asian nations. The main problem here is conflation of protests against the actions and policies of Japan with antipathy toward the flag per se. There is valid evidence of the former (Yasukuni, textbooks, etc), but scant evidence of the latter. As with all protests, the flag of a nation is used as a symbol of that nation. But the people do not hate the flag per se; they hate the country which it represents. Why doesn't the article on the US flag contain statements like "The Stars and Stripes was used as a tool against the Philippines for purposes of intimidation or subjugation", or "For Iranians and Venezuelans, the US flag is a symbol of aggression and imperialism." This article has an anti-Japanese double standard. The real issues that Asian nations are complaining about are the official prime minister visits to Yasukuni and the re-writing of textbooks to downplay Japanese aggression. The hinomaru in and of itself is nothing compared to these issues. When the hinomaru is burned today, it is because of issues like Yasukuni and textbooks, not because of the flag itself. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 04:43, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
The main problem is that the statements in the article are significantly stronger than the statements in the source material. The article says: "For some nations occupied by Japan, the flag is a symbol of aggression and imperialism. The Hinomaru was used as a tool against occupied nations for purposes of intimidation or subjugation. In the People's Republic of China and South Korea, both of which had been occupied by the Empire of Japan, the 1999 formal adoption of the Hinomaru was met with reactions of Japan moving towards the right and also a step towards remilitarization." The source material says: "Along with the enactment of new laws concerning U.S.-Japan defense cooperation, the U.S. plan to create a Theater Missile Defense, and the move to change the status of Yasukuni Shrine, China considers this legislation [the 1999 Law] to be a step toward Japan's remilitarization. Although in June 1999, a Chinese foreign ministry official said that the bill was a matter of Japan's internal affairs, another ministry spokesman noted opposition to the bill within Japan and hoped the issue would be solved in a manner that would contribute to Japan's peaceful development. South Korea is also wary of this legislation and the review of Yasukuni's status, and it deems the sum of these actions to constitute a serious move to the right." Where does the "tool of intimidation or subjugation" come from? Also, note that the protests from China and South Korea are not about the flag itself, or that Japan should change its flag. China and Korea are only commenting that, in the context of other issues (Yasukuni, the US-Japan alliance), the timing of making the de facto national flag the de jure national flag is objectionable. They are protesting the 1999 Law, not the flag itself. Neither China nor Korea is asking Japan to change its flag to something else. Honestly, I think this is such a minor and subtle point that it is hardly worth mentioning in the Wikipedia article. I think the sentences from the article that I quoted above should be deleted. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 05:19, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Let me add that I agree that the hinomaru has been controversial within Japan. For decades now, left-leaning public school teachers have come into conflict with the Ministry of Education regarding use of hinomaru and kimigayo at school functions. There is a domestic issue. China was in fact commenting more on this, than on their own feelings toward the flag. The truth of the matter is that the average Chinese or Korean person today has no particularly bad feelings against the hinomaru. They know it as the flag of Japan, and if you asked them whether they knew about any controversy regarding the flag, their reaction would be "I don't know." -- Westwind273 ( talk) 05:37, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
I have heard many times and seen that when the Hinomaru is displayed on a pole, the tip is not a spearhead or sharp point but rather a flattened brass bulb to indicate the nation's non-aggression towards others. If this is true, I think it should be included in the article. I don't have a citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.60.39.27 ( talk) 14:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
It has been discovered that this book:
Contains significant amounts of material plagiarized from Wikipedia articles. (Some other books from the same publisher also have this problem). There is no practical way of determining which material came from Wikipedia, and which came from other sources. Further, widespread plagiarism is an indication of poor scholarship. For those reasons, and according to Wikipedia policy, WP:CIRCULAR, I will deleting all citations to the book. However I will not delete the material that cites it, as there's no indication that the material is inaccurate. For more background, see WP:RSN#Circular references: Gyan Publishing and ISHA Books, or the archive after it goes there. Will Beback talk 22:48, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
...and if you look in the "Miscellaneous, etc." section you'll find "FLAG, NATIONAL, JAPAN" containing links to two relevant documents:
After the end of WWII, the Allies imposed a new flag of Japan -
, the Ryukyu Islands had a separate flag
. I'm not 100% sure how long these flags were in use for, but think it was 1945-48. No mention is made in the article about these flags.
Mjroots (
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08:20, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
1. It would be useful if the "Variant flag of Japan" in the main infobox at top right of article also mentioned the name " Rising Sun Flag" and had a link to that article. (Based on the Rising Sun Flag article name, I'm assuming that "Rising Sun Flag" is the preferred name, but the lead text in this article calls it "Rising Sun Ensign". Ideally a consistent name should be used.)
2. I was aware that there is sensitivity surrounding the use of the "Rising Sun" flag (with the rays), but not the other flag (without the rays). I'm a bit confused whether the mentions of controversy in the lead section are referring to just the former or to both versions. I feel this should be clarified.
86.160.212.235 ( talk) 13:10, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
I find overall description to be somewhat obsolete. It reads as if it was written 20 years ago. Hinomaru is nowadayas not a big taboo in Japan as it used to be before , especially after football became popular in japan. I also do not agree that the flag is considered as a symbol of aggression and imperialism in former colonies with the exception of PR China and Korea. If there is no reliable source that the MAJOR people from other asian countries link Hinomaru to "aggression and imperialism", it should be explicitly written as "PR CHina and Korea". In general, it is unfair to put such statement only to Japanese flag, and not to the aricles of Frence, UK, Dutch, Spanish, and Portguese flags. -- 79.244.29.9 ( talk) 22:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
"Because of the association of the Hinomaru with uyoku dantai (right wing) activists, reactionary politics, or hooliganism, some homes and businesses do not fly the flag."
This makes it sound as if all homes and businesses would normally be expected to fly the flag. I don't see any reason for that expectation. In most countries, as far as I can think, most homes and businesses do not routinely fly the national flag, or necessarily even possess one. 86.128.3.108 ( talk) 02:59, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
This article and that on the Japanese Communist Party mention that the Communists oppose the use of the Hinomaru. Do they propose an alternative national flag? If so, I wonder if it should be mentioned here? Q·L· 1968 ☿ 18:29, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
a name — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.204.81.122 ( talk) 17:09, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Is the national flag of Japan the national flag in current use with the most percentage of its area being white? 122.213.236.124 ( talk) 11:16, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
日本で鉢巻をこの記事に書いてあるように使うことは第二次世界大戦以降ほとんどありません。 運動会にて小学生、中学生が赤色の鉢巻と白色の鉢巻をつかうことがありますが、それは旭日旗ではなく源平合戦という1180年頃の戦いをイメージしています。
日本の鉢巻の用途は他人と競う運動、受験に合格するための祈願、応援ぐらいですし、その状況でも鉢巻を使用することは滅多にありません。
機械翻訳 translation
Hachimaki in Japan have rarely been used as described in this article since World War II.
At athletic events, elementary and junior high school students sometimes use red and white Hachimaki, which is not a symbol of the Rising Sun, but of the battle of Genpei, which took place around 1180.
In Japan, the use of Hachimaki is limited to athletic competitions, prayers for success in entrance examinations, and cheering, and even in these situations, Hachimaki is rarely used.
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
狐月狼陽 (
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04:08, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
The link given in the Mourning section for the mourning flag only has the Japanese Wikipedia Entry ( ja:弔旗), however in that article, there is an English version given which redirects to Black ribbon. Should the link in the article be changed from ja:弔旗 to Black ribbon for the English version of this article? Or should a different English translation be given to ja:弔旗 which is separate from Black ribbon as it appears that the two articles do contain slightly different content? 亞頭回不 ( talk) 19:03, 13 July 2023 (UTC)