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Is this picture appropriate for the article? The actual fish and chips is so small that it's hard to see, especially in the thumbnail. The beach and the two guys sitting on it take up most of the space. JIP | Talk 13:20, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
I object to fish being called an immigrant food. We have been eating fish in the UK since the first people came here. Batter has been used here so long its not considered fusion either....No one knows where it came from. Stop with your contrived xenophillic nonsense! The Sephardic jewish story is not confirmed and we were eating battered food before they arrived. Its flour and water! Even an English cook can manage that! — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmOgy ( talk • contribs) 08:53, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
I have actually updated this in the lead as it is currently quite misleading to put it that immigrants established it (or to say for certain it came from anywhere else for that matter) and it is disputed between two families - Lees (Manchester) and Malin (London) and I have added sources, but also fried fish and chips existed long before the first shops opened. The first commenter is correct when saying 'No one knows where it came from' in absolute terms. Due to this - asserting that it arrived with immigrants OR that it was purely homogeneous would thus both be incorrect, that is unless cast iron evidence emerges, which is very unlikely. In one of the sources used it even states that 'Who first had the bright idea to marry fish with chips remains the subject of fierce controversy and we will probably never know for sure. It is safe to say it was somewhere in England but arguments rage over whether it was up north or down south. Some credit a northern entrepreneur called John Lees. As early as 1863, it is believed he was selling fish and chips out of a wooden hut at Mossley market in industrial Lancashire. Others claim the first combined fish 'n' chip shop was actually opened by a Jewish immigrant, Joseph Malin, within the sound of Bow Bells in East London around 1860.' Glaaaastonbury88 ( talk) 08:23, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Correct. The article is about Fish (from the sea) and chips (from potatoes) two basic things that have been available in the UK since...insert date here. The article lead seems to be able to know exactly ('as its two main ingredients were introduced by immigrants) who first paired this and attributes it to 'immigrants' - even though the sources used to assert this themselves say it is not as clear cut as that, thus the lead is false and not factual. I'm not sure why you are struggling with this? To say it was NOT created by immigrants or that it WAS, is not true at this time unless further evidence prevails, thus you are reverting the article to be incorrect and inaccurate. Glaaaastonbury88 ( talk) 10:47, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Also - you are accusing me of WP:SOCK - if you look at my IP, I have nothing to do with the other comments. You are totally incorrect, have zero evidence and should refrain from making stupid assumptions. What is causing you to be triggered in this way to accuse me of something, just because I agree with another user? Glaaaastonbury88 ( talk) 10:53, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Exactly - and that isn't proven to be true. You are struggling to answer my questions, accuse me of sock-puppetry and cannot seem to understand that the sources are dubious and allude to this fact. Perhaps get your facts right before making these silly assumptions. Thus I have every right to revert the page to be more factual where it states that 'The dish originated in England and is an example of culinary fusion, as its two main ingredients were introduced by immigrants' to 'The dish originated in England and is an example of culinary fusion, as its two main ingredients may have been introduced by immigrants, but this is disputed.' Glaaaastonbury88 ( talk) 10:58, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello again, You don't seem to understand or perhaps I don't understand you, and have already wrongly accused me of sockpuppetry. You mention that 'your own misrepresentation of sources that say nothing of the kind.' I have to wonder if you have even read the attributed sources yourself? You seem to be the disruptive one to me and I'm not sure why you accuse me of strange things and are not actually reading my points? Perhaps we need a third opinion as we might be crossing wires?
Source 1 states (and is included in the opening lead): 'Who first had the bright idea to marry fish with chips remains the subject of fierce controversy and we will probably never know for sure. It is safe to say it was somewhere in England but arguments rage over whether it was up north or down south.'
The key words being 'we will probably never know for sure' [1] This renders the opening lead incorrect on it's own. But lets look at some other sources.
Source 2 (that you delete) states: 'The first fish and chip shop in the North of England is thought to have opened in Mossely, near Oldham, Lancashire, around 1863. Mr Lees sold fish and chips from a wooden hut in the market and later he transferred the business to a permanent shop across the road which had the following inscription in the window, “This is the first fish and chip shop in the world”. However in London, it is said that Joseph Malin opened a fish and chip shop in Cleveland Street within the sound of Bow Bells in 1860.' [2]
The key words here being 'thought to have' and 'is said that' - meaning there is ambiguity around these assertions that should be represented in the opening lead for transparency.
Source 3 states that; 'Fish and chips were first served together as a complete dish around 1860 - the Malin family of London and the Lee's of Mossley, near Manchester both staking claims to be the first.'
The key words here being 'both staking claims to be the first' thus they refrain from deciding who did it first because....(drum roll) - no one knows, thus the opening lead is incorrect. [3]
So respectfully I ask, Please do enlighten me - how am I misrepresenting sources? I don't even eat fish (but I do love chips) and I don't care if 'immigrants' (Who HAVE undeniably contributed to what makes this country great in other cuisines etc.) paired the two or not and I don't care if 'non-immigrants' paired it or not - as a member of an 'immigrant' family myself, I just care that wikipedia presents articles fairly and am simply trying to say that; 'we do not know for sure' thus the article opening of 'as its two main ingredients were introduced by immigrants' is incorrect and could be easily corrected by adding 'as its two main ingredients may have been introduced by immigrants, but this is disputed.' Glaaaastonbury88 ( talk) 11:40, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
it is currently quite misleading to put it that immigrants established it. You seem to be misreading the sentence, which to me is quite clear: it says "its two main ingredients were introduced by immigrants". That means:
an example of culinary fusion. Culinary fusion is the combination of traditional dishes or techniques and ingredients from two or more different regional or ethnic cuisines, to create a novel dish. It doesn't imply that the person creating the fusion is affiliated with either of the constituent cuisines, and it's often the case that they aren't.
No one knows where it came from. ... The Sephardic jewish story is not confirmed and we were eating battered food before they arrived.- this is a completely different claim, and I have not seen any sources that support it. -- IamNotU ( talk) 13:21, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Fish and chips is a hot dish consisting of fried fish in batter served with chips. The dish originated in England and is an example of culinary fusion, as its two main ingredients were introduced to the United Kingdom by immigrants, [4] [5] though it is not precisely known where or by whom the components were first combined to form the iconic British meal. Fish and chips is a common take-away food in the UK and numerous other countries, particularly in English-speaking and Commonwealth nations.
@ IamNotU: thanks for engaging with this user at what should be quite unnecessary lengths, regarding the same unfounded claims about the article that I had countered this morning. Their very long, confused post, which came after my last engagement this morning, starts to convey that it was actually that they really were so obtuse that they were drawing these wholly unwarranted conclusions from the text.
I don't think your added wording is necessary for the lede, think it is more succinct without it, would be interested to hear if there are any objections from others but will hold off from opposing it if it somehow helps stem the periodic attacks on this aspect of the article. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 19:27, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Fish and chips is a traditional hot dish consisting of fried fish in batter served with chips. The dish originated in England and is an example of culinary fusion, as its two main ingredients were introduced to the United Kingdom by immigrants, [6] [5] though it is not precisely known where or by whom the components were first combined to form the iconic British meal. Fish and chips is a common take-away food in the UK and numerous other countries, particularly in English-speaking and Commonwealth nations.
In response to Mutt Lunker's comment about being succint, and the other comments above, I did some work to tighten it up a bit. This isn't much longer than the existing version:
Fish and chips is a hot dish consisting of fried fish in batter, served with chips. It originated in England, where these component foods had been introduced from separate immigrant cuisines. It is not known who first fused them to create the emblematic British meal. [8] [5] Fish and chips is a common take-away food in the United Kingdom and numerous other countries, particularly in English-speaking and Commonwealth nations.
-- IamNotU ( talk) 21:32, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
I think ingredients is fine', personally...it is the most natural sounding word out of all the alternatives toyed with, and I very sincerely doubt that any reader of this article would not know what 'ingredients' means in this case, nor would such usage implant any wrongful ideas in their heads regarding how the word ought to be used, or what it means...I attribute this getting carried away to you all being in a (justified) state of shell shock in this war-ravaged discussion thread.
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There were a few edits recently that left the sentence in a poor condition, with an incorrect explanation of what "culinary fusion" is - it's not just putting two foods together. Rather than revert to the older version, I went ahead with this, hope it's ok. I just referred to the "two components" because "component foods" sounds awkward to me.
Fish and chips is a hot dish consisting of fried fish in batter, served with chips. The dish originated in England, where these two components had been introduced from separate immigrant cultures; it is not known who created the culinary fusion that became the emblematic British meal. [9] [5] Fish and chips is a common take-away food in the United Kingdom and numerous other countries, particularly in English-speaking and Commonwealth nations.
-- IamNotU ( talk) 12:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
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I found this image in the category "Fish and chips in Mexico" at Commons. Is this really fish and chips? There is certainly fish in the picture, and chips, but the fish don't appear to be battered or deep-fried. Therefore I think this represents "fish" and "chips" but not "fish and chips". JIP | Talk 15:04, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm no culinary researcher, especially not in English cuisine, but should this be added to the English cuisine category article? I mean fish and chip shops is literally a section in the normal English Cuisine article. ECPBlue ( talk) 01:08, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
How is this "a" dish? Is "burger and fries" a single dish? No. This is no different.-- Khajidha ( talk) 16:47, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
I recall hearing on the radio (NPR) about the cotton industry history. This program mentioned the growth of cottonseed exports to Britain along with the cotton itself for the oil to be used for fish and chips. This seems sensible as the oil was certainly available and Lancashire was both an origin of commercial fish and chips as well as a cotton textile center. A quick examination didn't turn up info about cottonseed and fish and chips but the assertion that animal fat was the primary source doesn't wash. The volume of oil required suggests something in addition to those sources. 24.93.109.183 ( talk) 19:32, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Are chips a type of french fry? Or are they something else entirely? Editors who are interested in this question are encouraged to join the discussion at Talk:Chip butty#Are chips a type of french fry?. (Please post there and not here, to keep the discussion all in one place. Thanks.) — Mudwater ( Talk) 22:21, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
In the Choice of fish subsection (the first subsection within Composition), the first paragraph mentions "… vendors also sell many other kinds of fish, especially other white fish, such as pollock, hake or coley, plaice, skate, ray, and huss or rock salmon (a term covering several species of dogfish and similar fish)." [Note: All links removed from the quote except the relevant one.] That given description of rock salmon does not match the description of "rock salmon" on the rock salmon page. The rock salmon page is for a separate dish called "rock salmon", which seems to me to be distinct from the dish of fish and chips here.
My questions are, first, am I just missing something here, and does it all actually make sense? (I’m not from a culture that eats much fish and chips, so perhaps this is just me misunderstanding terminology or something.)
Second, assuming it’s not just me, then how is this issue corrected? Should there be a new, separate article to which this points, something like Rock salmon (types of fish), with a basic description that reads something like "Rock salmon is a term covering several species of dogfish and similar fish, which are commonly used in fish and chips in the United Kingdom and Ireland."? Or should the current rock salmon page be amended in some way to clarify the different meanings, if perhaps the two are more closely linked than I realized?
I wasn’t sure what to do here, so I figured I’d add it to the talk page. Just some food – specifically fish and chips – for thought! Phatmatt12188 ( talk) 18:32, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Is the reference to John Lennon's liking of ketchup vital to the article? OptimizeAllTheThings ( talk) 18:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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Because fish and chips was not invented in England so the place of origin is wrong. Fish and chips was invented in Portugal. So putting as England is misinformation. Rin1990 ( talk) 05:45, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
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https://docksidehhi.com/the-history-of-fish-and-chips/
https://www.rescue.org/uk/article/little-known-history-fish-and-chips#:~:text=Some%20argue%20that%20the%20first,Spanish%2C%20and%20Eastern%20European%20refugees.
"it’s likely the popular dish originated from our capital", which explicitly contradicts your claim. Liu1126 ( talk) 11:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Last year, I took a trip to Iceland and only visited the Southern part of the country. Throughout my time there, I have noticed that restaurants and food trailers do in fact serve fish and chips, per part of the Icelandic cod. However, I highly recommend doing some deep searching for sources to prove this, unless you can spend some time yourself going to the country or do similar search results to find out this reliability. Also consider expanding into looking for more countries that house this recipe. Thank you, Mod creator 🏡 🗨 📝 18:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Is this picture appropriate for the article? The actual fish and chips is so small that it's hard to see, especially in the thumbnail. The beach and the two guys sitting on it take up most of the space. JIP | Talk 13:20, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
I object to fish being called an immigrant food. We have been eating fish in the UK since the first people came here. Batter has been used here so long its not considered fusion either....No one knows where it came from. Stop with your contrived xenophillic nonsense! The Sephardic jewish story is not confirmed and we were eating battered food before they arrived. Its flour and water! Even an English cook can manage that! — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmOgy ( talk • contribs) 08:53, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
I have actually updated this in the lead as it is currently quite misleading to put it that immigrants established it (or to say for certain it came from anywhere else for that matter) and it is disputed between two families - Lees (Manchester) and Malin (London) and I have added sources, but also fried fish and chips existed long before the first shops opened. The first commenter is correct when saying 'No one knows where it came from' in absolute terms. Due to this - asserting that it arrived with immigrants OR that it was purely homogeneous would thus both be incorrect, that is unless cast iron evidence emerges, which is very unlikely. In one of the sources used it even states that 'Who first had the bright idea to marry fish with chips remains the subject of fierce controversy and we will probably never know for sure. It is safe to say it was somewhere in England but arguments rage over whether it was up north or down south. Some credit a northern entrepreneur called John Lees. As early as 1863, it is believed he was selling fish and chips out of a wooden hut at Mossley market in industrial Lancashire. Others claim the first combined fish 'n' chip shop was actually opened by a Jewish immigrant, Joseph Malin, within the sound of Bow Bells in East London around 1860.' Glaaaastonbury88 ( talk) 08:23, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Correct. The article is about Fish (from the sea) and chips (from potatoes) two basic things that have been available in the UK since...insert date here. The article lead seems to be able to know exactly ('as its two main ingredients were introduced by immigrants) who first paired this and attributes it to 'immigrants' - even though the sources used to assert this themselves say it is not as clear cut as that, thus the lead is false and not factual. I'm not sure why you are struggling with this? To say it was NOT created by immigrants or that it WAS, is not true at this time unless further evidence prevails, thus you are reverting the article to be incorrect and inaccurate. Glaaaastonbury88 ( talk) 10:47, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Also - you are accusing me of WP:SOCK - if you look at my IP, I have nothing to do with the other comments. You are totally incorrect, have zero evidence and should refrain from making stupid assumptions. What is causing you to be triggered in this way to accuse me of something, just because I agree with another user? Glaaaastonbury88 ( talk) 10:53, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Exactly - and that isn't proven to be true. You are struggling to answer my questions, accuse me of sock-puppetry and cannot seem to understand that the sources are dubious and allude to this fact. Perhaps get your facts right before making these silly assumptions. Thus I have every right to revert the page to be more factual where it states that 'The dish originated in England and is an example of culinary fusion, as its two main ingredients were introduced by immigrants' to 'The dish originated in England and is an example of culinary fusion, as its two main ingredients may have been introduced by immigrants, but this is disputed.' Glaaaastonbury88 ( talk) 10:58, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello again, You don't seem to understand or perhaps I don't understand you, and have already wrongly accused me of sockpuppetry. You mention that 'your own misrepresentation of sources that say nothing of the kind.' I have to wonder if you have even read the attributed sources yourself? You seem to be the disruptive one to me and I'm not sure why you accuse me of strange things and are not actually reading my points? Perhaps we need a third opinion as we might be crossing wires?
Source 1 states (and is included in the opening lead): 'Who first had the bright idea to marry fish with chips remains the subject of fierce controversy and we will probably never know for sure. It is safe to say it was somewhere in England but arguments rage over whether it was up north or down south.'
The key words being 'we will probably never know for sure' [1] This renders the opening lead incorrect on it's own. But lets look at some other sources.
Source 2 (that you delete) states: 'The first fish and chip shop in the North of England is thought to have opened in Mossely, near Oldham, Lancashire, around 1863. Mr Lees sold fish and chips from a wooden hut in the market and later he transferred the business to a permanent shop across the road which had the following inscription in the window, “This is the first fish and chip shop in the world”. However in London, it is said that Joseph Malin opened a fish and chip shop in Cleveland Street within the sound of Bow Bells in 1860.' [2]
The key words here being 'thought to have' and 'is said that' - meaning there is ambiguity around these assertions that should be represented in the opening lead for transparency.
Source 3 states that; 'Fish and chips were first served together as a complete dish around 1860 - the Malin family of London and the Lee's of Mossley, near Manchester both staking claims to be the first.'
The key words here being 'both staking claims to be the first' thus they refrain from deciding who did it first because....(drum roll) - no one knows, thus the opening lead is incorrect. [3]
So respectfully I ask, Please do enlighten me - how am I misrepresenting sources? I don't even eat fish (but I do love chips) and I don't care if 'immigrants' (Who HAVE undeniably contributed to what makes this country great in other cuisines etc.) paired the two or not and I don't care if 'non-immigrants' paired it or not - as a member of an 'immigrant' family myself, I just care that wikipedia presents articles fairly and am simply trying to say that; 'we do not know for sure' thus the article opening of 'as its two main ingredients were introduced by immigrants' is incorrect and could be easily corrected by adding 'as its two main ingredients may have been introduced by immigrants, but this is disputed.' Glaaaastonbury88 ( talk) 11:40, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
it is currently quite misleading to put it that immigrants established it. You seem to be misreading the sentence, which to me is quite clear: it says "its two main ingredients were introduced by immigrants". That means:
an example of culinary fusion. Culinary fusion is the combination of traditional dishes or techniques and ingredients from two or more different regional or ethnic cuisines, to create a novel dish. It doesn't imply that the person creating the fusion is affiliated with either of the constituent cuisines, and it's often the case that they aren't.
No one knows where it came from. ... The Sephardic jewish story is not confirmed and we were eating battered food before they arrived.- this is a completely different claim, and I have not seen any sources that support it. -- IamNotU ( talk) 13:21, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Fish and chips is a hot dish consisting of fried fish in batter served with chips. The dish originated in England and is an example of culinary fusion, as its two main ingredients were introduced to the United Kingdom by immigrants, [4] [5] though it is not precisely known where or by whom the components were first combined to form the iconic British meal. Fish and chips is a common take-away food in the UK and numerous other countries, particularly in English-speaking and Commonwealth nations.
@ IamNotU: thanks for engaging with this user at what should be quite unnecessary lengths, regarding the same unfounded claims about the article that I had countered this morning. Their very long, confused post, which came after my last engagement this morning, starts to convey that it was actually that they really were so obtuse that they were drawing these wholly unwarranted conclusions from the text.
I don't think your added wording is necessary for the lede, think it is more succinct without it, would be interested to hear if there are any objections from others but will hold off from opposing it if it somehow helps stem the periodic attacks on this aspect of the article. Mutt Lunker ( talk) 19:27, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Fish and chips is a traditional hot dish consisting of fried fish in batter served with chips. The dish originated in England and is an example of culinary fusion, as its two main ingredients were introduced to the United Kingdom by immigrants, [6] [5] though it is not precisely known where or by whom the components were first combined to form the iconic British meal. Fish and chips is a common take-away food in the UK and numerous other countries, particularly in English-speaking and Commonwealth nations.
In response to Mutt Lunker's comment about being succint, and the other comments above, I did some work to tighten it up a bit. This isn't much longer than the existing version:
Fish and chips is a hot dish consisting of fried fish in batter, served with chips. It originated in England, where these component foods had been introduced from separate immigrant cuisines. It is not known who first fused them to create the emblematic British meal. [8] [5] Fish and chips is a common take-away food in the United Kingdom and numerous other countries, particularly in English-speaking and Commonwealth nations.
-- IamNotU ( talk) 21:32, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
I think ingredients is fine', personally...it is the most natural sounding word out of all the alternatives toyed with, and I very sincerely doubt that any reader of this article would not know what 'ingredients' means in this case, nor would such usage implant any wrongful ideas in their heads regarding how the word ought to be used, or what it means...I attribute this getting carried away to you all being in a (justified) state of shell shock in this war-ravaged discussion thread.
Firejuggler86 (
talk) 09:32, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
There were a few edits recently that left the sentence in a poor condition, with an incorrect explanation of what "culinary fusion" is - it's not just putting two foods together. Rather than revert to the older version, I went ahead with this, hope it's ok. I just referred to the "two components" because "component foods" sounds awkward to me.
Fish and chips is a hot dish consisting of fried fish in batter, served with chips. The dish originated in England, where these two components had been introduced from separate immigrant cultures; it is not known who created the culinary fusion that became the emblematic British meal. [9] [5] Fish and chips is a common take-away food in the United Kingdom and numerous other countries, particularly in English-speaking and Commonwealth nations.
-- IamNotU ( talk) 12:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
References
I found this image in the category "Fish and chips in Mexico" at Commons. Is this really fish and chips? There is certainly fish in the picture, and chips, but the fish don't appear to be battered or deep-fried. Therefore I think this represents "fish" and "chips" but not "fish and chips". JIP | Talk 15:04, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm no culinary researcher, especially not in English cuisine, but should this be added to the English cuisine category article? I mean fish and chip shops is literally a section in the normal English Cuisine article. ECPBlue ( talk) 01:08, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
How is this "a" dish? Is "burger and fries" a single dish? No. This is no different.-- Khajidha ( talk) 16:47, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
I recall hearing on the radio (NPR) about the cotton industry history. This program mentioned the growth of cottonseed exports to Britain along with the cotton itself for the oil to be used for fish and chips. This seems sensible as the oil was certainly available and Lancashire was both an origin of commercial fish and chips as well as a cotton textile center. A quick examination didn't turn up info about cottonseed and fish and chips but the assertion that animal fat was the primary source doesn't wash. The volume of oil required suggests something in addition to those sources. 24.93.109.183 ( talk) 19:32, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Are chips a type of french fry? Or are they something else entirely? Editors who are interested in this question are encouraged to join the discussion at Talk:Chip butty#Are chips a type of french fry?. (Please post there and not here, to keep the discussion all in one place. Thanks.) — Mudwater ( Talk) 22:21, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
In the Choice of fish subsection (the first subsection within Composition), the first paragraph mentions "… vendors also sell many other kinds of fish, especially other white fish, such as pollock, hake or coley, plaice, skate, ray, and huss or rock salmon (a term covering several species of dogfish and similar fish)." [Note: All links removed from the quote except the relevant one.] That given description of rock salmon does not match the description of "rock salmon" on the rock salmon page. The rock salmon page is for a separate dish called "rock salmon", which seems to me to be distinct from the dish of fish and chips here.
My questions are, first, am I just missing something here, and does it all actually make sense? (I’m not from a culture that eats much fish and chips, so perhaps this is just me misunderstanding terminology or something.)
Second, assuming it’s not just me, then how is this issue corrected? Should there be a new, separate article to which this points, something like Rock salmon (types of fish), with a basic description that reads something like "Rock salmon is a term covering several species of dogfish and similar fish, which are commonly used in fish and chips in the United Kingdom and Ireland."? Or should the current rock salmon page be amended in some way to clarify the different meanings, if perhaps the two are more closely linked than I realized?
I wasn’t sure what to do here, so I figured I’d add it to the talk page. Just some food – specifically fish and chips – for thought! Phatmatt12188 ( talk) 18:32, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Is the reference to John Lennon's liking of ketchup vital to the article? OptimizeAllTheThings ( talk) 18:03, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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Because fish and chips was not invented in England so the place of origin is wrong. Fish and chips was invented in Portugal. So putting as England is misinformation. Rin1990 ( talk) 05:45, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Cite error: There are <ref>
tags on this page without content in them (see the
help page).
https://docksidehhi.com/the-history-of-fish-and-chips/
https://www.rescue.org/uk/article/little-known-history-fish-and-chips#:~:text=Some%20argue%20that%20the%20first,Spanish%2C%20and%20Eastern%20European%20refugees.
"it’s likely the popular dish originated from our capital", which explicitly contradicts your claim. Liu1126 ( talk) 11:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Last year, I took a trip to Iceland and only visited the Southern part of the country. Throughout my time there, I have noticed that restaurants and food trailers do in fact serve fish and chips, per part of the Icelandic cod. However, I highly recommend doing some deep searching for sources to prove this, unless you can spend some time yourself going to the country or do similar search results to find out this reliability. Also consider expanding into looking for more countries that house this recipe. Thank you, Mod creator 🏡 🗨 📝 18:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)